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LordReed:
My broda, you are correct jare.

LordReed:
*Facepalm*

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LordReed:
*Facepalm*

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Ihedinobi3:
I'll keep this too in mind for when you try to deny that atheists are not pretending that God doesn't exist only because they want to be God themselves.

LordReed:
Yep. I have way more authority than a fairytale magic sky daddy.

IAmSabrina:
Fancy seeing you here, Martinez. Came to visit?

TheKingIsHere:
Summarize or you can't comprehend?

So much for intellectual calibre.

MuttleyLaff:
The spiritual evidence for God, is you. You, pressing to know about God, is evidence of that something unseen, preoccupying you with the quest to find out, know about Him and sought evidence(s) about God. You are part of the spiritual evidence, even a spirit being with a soul and housed or encased in a body, that you are too

greggng:
I am an old man that loves man u...pls endomie generation kindly tell me if man u have qualified so that I can go to bed with peace

ajon1:
I can't hear you

shadeyinka:
A unicorn is supposed to be physical in nature, so a physical evidence is required.
God/god's are spirits, so a spiritual evidence is required!

What kind of evidence do you require to confirm love? Fossils!?

Odianose13:
Dey there!!!

Lol. Many people are dying from rejecting medicine and using faith but you don't get to see them on the news instead more focus is given to the hypocrites called moderates who conveniently interpret the scripture to their convenience because everyone wants to hear that christianity is good and harmless. This suits people's feelings even though it's at the expense of reality.

I remember when I started taking this faith thing seriously and started getting involved in new generational churches, I decided to apply my faith to cure malaria. I snubbed my antimalarial for faith and I kid you not. What saved me was that I was at home due to the holiday and the excited me told my mum about my so called works of faith. There was fire on the mountain . My mum went hysterical and was pleading with me take my medication but I stood my ground and was wondering why my mum, being a christian, wasn't in support of my action, the irony. I later took my drugs after being talked into it by my cell leader who said "For peace to reign, obey your mum. It's not the drug that would heal you, it's Jesus." Can you imagine. This was many years ago and I wondered what would have happened if I was in the hostel and away from my mum's supervision. I was a small boy then and being an introvert and growing up in a household that is full of heavy (I really meany heavy) indoctrination into believing spiritual stuffs didn't help matters.

My mum hypocrisy got me wondering. Why would this woman who claim to be a christian and heavily believes in spiritual stuff act as if faith is magical thinking? I sensed this same hypocrisy in all christians I knew. It was always the same "we believe in god" but acting and thinking like god doesn't exist. I later started mixing out with people, joined nairaland and started observing human life. I came to the conclusion that despite the so much noise about god's existence and power, nature always took it's course regardless of what we believe. Religious people who have terminal cancer always end up dying. As a medical student then, I once asked myself "why am I studying medicine if there is faith healing?" Mehn, I was a young boy then and I did many stupid stuff because of the bible. Now, I am matured and I am an atheist. Exposure helps. The first set of atheists I came across on nairaland were Donffd (will never forget him), edibleketara and some others. They ganged up against me in one thread to argue against my religious beliefs.

Anyways, religious beliefs are not harmless. To survive, man needs the truth so as to make realistic approaches to solve his problems. Unrealist approaches can be dangerous. This is why I bash and debunk religious claims and why I am an anti-theist.

IAmSabrina:
Just here watching the thread....
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hahn:
I serve the one and true god the Almighty holy puff puff

LordReed:
LoL! Stop trying to be too clever by half. The bible does not say the god killed itself, it says the god offered Jesus who is also god as a sacrifice for sin, it doesn't take a genius to see the connection between that and the god killed itself.

Ihedinobi3:
We'll take your questions one at a time.

i) Why would god need to kill himself before he can forgive sins?
This is a straw man. The Bible does not teach this at all.

The Bible teaches that God cannot die but that only He can save the sinful human race, which is otherwise doomed for its sin.

In order to save the human race, God put on human flesh so that with it He could pay the price for sin. Only a human being can pay for human sins and God can't die. So, the Lord God humbled Himself to take on humanity and suffer and die with it.

The Death that bought forgiveness of sins for us was also not physical. It was spiritual. The Lord Jesus submitted Himself to three hours of agonizing spiritual Death when He was separated from spiritual fellowship with His Father and suffered the darkness, fire and bitterness of the Second Death to a degree that only God in human flesh can.

After those three hours, the Lord Jesus breathed out His human spirit to die physically. His Deity never died. Nor did He kill Himself. He suffered the full Anger of God the Father against sin in His Spiritual Death, yes, and He did yield up His human spirit in physical death too, but He did not kill Himself.

ii) Why doesn't he just forgive right away since he is the one doing the forgiving? Isn't he god?
There is an easy way to consider this. Every nation or human community has a legal system. In these legal systems, offences are spelt out with due consequences for them. Why is that done? Why do we not just forgive offences rather than punish them?

Obviously, it isn't justice at all to just forgive offences. If you do that, then why should anyone bother to keep the law? We would all break the law wherever there is no punishment for doing so. In societies where offences are not adequately and resolutely punished, the weak suffer and all manner of chaos and damage occurs.

This is the reason why God punishes sin. Forgiveness must be bought with atonement. If nobody suffers for the sins that we commit, then God is unjust to forgive us. If God is unjust, how can anyone trust His Authority? But God cannot be unjust. Therefore, He demands atonement in order to forgive sinners.

iii) If Jesus is god, how can a god die(on the cross) ? Isn't that blasphemy? So Yahweh can die?
As (i) above showed, God cannot die and did not die on the Cross. It was the human nature of the Lord Jesus that suffered both His Spiritual Death and His Physical Death on the Cross. His Deity did not suffer either.

As for the Trinity, God is One, but the Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit. The Father is God the same as the Son and the Holy Spirit individually are too. But they are together One God, not three.



Nobody (well, except the weird Millennial generation) complains that nations have legal systems. That there is a code of conduct complete with rewards and consequences to protect the character of the community or nation is not only taken for granted but actually demanded for by human beings. Why is this a problem when God is constituting a special nation for Himself?

Israel was God's Project. The Pentateuch (Genesis to Deuteronomy) describes His creation of that nation and the character it was supposed to have. What we read there are the laws that were to govern that nation.

The character of that nation was supposed to be God-fearing. They were supposed to be the one nation on earth where everybody served the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the biological progenitors of the people themselves. This is just the same as America characterizing herself as the land of the free and the home of the brave. The laws were therefore written around that character. Idolatry was against the law and punishable by death. The reason was that God Himself was the King of Israel and idolatry was treason. This also means that any seduction by anybody of others into idolatry was conspiracy to commit treason and was thus also punishable by death.

Every other issue about Israel's laws is to be understood the same way.

In Islam, on the other hand, Allah was not building a nation that was meant to be unique. He was merely terrorising the whole world, or more correctly, being used as an excuse by Muhammad to pursue his totalitarian plans and expansionist agenda.

You can easily see both that Israel never really pursued the empire route although, at least, under David and Solomon they had both the military and economic might to do so (Israel's authorized wars were fought for defence and to protect the nation from Gentile religious contamination), and that when the Church was called out, the Gentile believers were not forced into a homogeneous pattern of behavior or given an expansionist agenda to subdue unbelief everywhere.

lilbest4:
as if Juve didn't thrash us 3-1 at the Bernabeu last season with Ronaldo on the pitch.
If you think Juve will beat Atletico then you have never watched Atletico. That match is 0-0