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There is no such thing. If you think your time to die is when you are old, I challenge you to drink sniper.

budaatum:
Told you, 39, believing mut is jealous of you!

Things escalated quickly between you and muttleylaff.

Religion preys on the fear of death and the unknown. It shields the laity from the harsh truth that they are not special, human life is meaningless and has no predetermined purpose, and there is probably no afterlife. Nowadays, it's now mainly matter of indoctrination even though the aforementioned are still a problem.

budaatum:
Last nights pizza. I only try.

At this moment, I wouldn't mind if your beans were my beans if only you would give me some of that.
.. Just kidding

budaatum:
Not true 39! Not true of the Bible and definitely not true of James who mocked believers for trembling like satan and prefered the labour of your hands to your stupid ignorant worthless faith!

No no no. The book of James was written to believers. Read the first five verses of James. Mocking someone in a letter doesn't mean that you aren't writing to them. How you can think like this shows your beans wasn't well cooked.

I've gone to the bother of posting the evidence for you least out of your blindness you insist on your beans!

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=KJV]James 2:14-26 King James Version (KJV)[/url]

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Ah! Got you! Faith without works, as used by the bible, refers to having faith but not acting like you have faith. Let's analyse.

"21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

Here, we see how faith is backed by works and how the believer is justified. Abraham had faith in god and he backed that up by absolutely trusting god with Isaac. That was his work. His actions which showed he had faith were his works and his works made his faith perfect (vs. 22). It's like saying that people who profess to be vegetarians but don't act it by eating meat should be dismissed as vegetarians. In other words, James is saying that if your actions don't show that you have faith, your faith is dead.

"25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"

Rahab had faith that the god of the Isrealites is supreme; that the spies were God's children; and God was going to fulfil his promises to them as seen in Joshua 2:8-12 What were her works or, rather, her actions that proved she really had faith? She took the great risk of hiding the spies, thereby defying the orders of the King of Jericho, (Joshua 2:2-4) and telling them to remember her and save her and her family. Her actions showed she had faith.

Many christians, you and muttleylaff included, have tried to twist "faith without works is dead" to mean that if one prays to god for something, one must work it out. This is just a cop-out, a cop-out shrouded in dishonesty (and/or ignorance) to absolve oneself of the responsibility of believing in the miraculous. It also sounds very stupid and ridiculous when we reason that if one is going to work things out at the end of the day, what's the point of prayer? More ridiculous it becomes when you see that prayer without works fails, work without prayer works, and prayer plus works achieve similar results as works alone.

Given all these, is it not justified, according to the bible, for one to pray with faith to yahweh for healing and then doing away with with medical help while proclaiming that the disease is gone? Rejecting medical help and proclaiming that one is healed and no longer has the illness are the works (the actions that shows one has faith). This is how many sincere believers who are straight forward with accepting the scriptures and have the mental fortitude to put in practice what they've read are harmed.

It's ironic that an ex-christian atheist knows the bible much better than a believer.


XxSabrinaxX, CAPSLOCKED, LordReed, Michellekabod2, HopefulLandlord, johnydon22

Your brother doesn't owe you anything. You are your father's responsibility.

XxSabrinaxX:
Martinez39, people are littering this thread with salads!

Sour salads.

MuttleyLaff:
It was written to specifically to some certain unbelievers, however it is free for anyone who finds it alluring enough and wants to key into the substance and life of the verse to thereafter then take advantage of it

This is a bigger lie. This is a lie told out of shameless dishonesty. The book of James was written to believers. Shameful of you to tell a cheap lie for Jesus.

No! No, dear nwanne friend, coming about the interpretation has nothing to do with self deceit, but a lot to do with the stuff psyching is made up from.

It has a lot to do with self deceit. When you interpret "church elders" as doctors (which include Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and other unbelievers), you have bestowed upon yourself a dishonesty and a ludicrous notion that no one can argue with. You really mean to tell me that you don't know what is meant by church elders?

Martinez39, I pray make una no sabi "agbako" because things dey for this obodo life ooo and thats why you'll find out that desperate times do calls for desperate measures. People, during adversity, go for actions that seem to be the extreme under normal circumstances, but the reality is they arent dealing with normal circumstances nau.

Absolute rubbish. Your point is?

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So? So what?
Martinez39, you seem to not grasp what the meat part James 5:14-15 is from and is about. If you contextually had read James 5:14-15, you would have easily found out that the meat part was putting forward a plan for consideration to others, that was in how to have patience in suffering and as a result of that suggested the prayer of faith, all this towards to, ginger self up, while on the way to full good health recovery.

God is no respecter of persons, it dont matter if its Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and/or Hindus who wants to take advantage of James 5:14-15

Dishonesty at it's peak. I wouldn't bother to argue against your laughable interpretation. Are Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Traditionalists, church elders? That's the bone of contention.

"⁵Why do you want more beatings? Why do you keep rebelling? Your head has a massive wound, and your whole heart is afflicted.
⁶From the sole of your foot to the top of your head, there is no soundness
— only wounds and welts and festering sores not cleansed or bandaged or soothed with oil."
- Isaiah 1:5-6

Well in those biblical times, oil was part of services of modern ancient medicine my dear nwanne friend. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

Oil and balms were part of medicine in those days but to heal with oil is not necessarily the same as anointing someone with oil. When a prophet anoints someone with oil, does it necessarily mean that they want to heal someone? Beside, it was also mentioned that the prayer of faith will heal the sick. Which is doing the healing here, the oil or the prayer of faith? Is there any sickness that the oil cannot cure in an unbeliever but would in a believer because he/she has made a prayer of faith? If the oil was doing the healing, wouldn't the bible have said that oil would heal the sick?

Despite the oils and balms, miracles were a banality and the bible promises it to those who ask in faith and believe. You are shying away from this as a cop-out to absolve yourself of the responsibility of believing in the miraculous. This is something I pointed out in the op. You are also trying to make it out to be that the bible has no hands in the fatal and misleading practice of faith healing. I see you.

I expect more mental gymnastics from you.

What people dont understand they laugh at

Not always true. Sometimes, you know something so well to know it deserves to be laughed at.

The bearing, Matthew 6:33 has over those verses, is that some other things are worthier to think about that others

Hehe. It still doesn't change the fact that James 5:14-15 provides a concise and clear way to heal diseases using faith and prayer only.

I rest my case with you. No more arguments from me.

budaatum:
If that verse "was written to Christians", why are you reading it? Are you a Christian now 39?

Seriously?

Good day.

budaatum:
I've edited your question above, since I was not a victim but just fell ill, and the text itself never said one must be a "Christian".

Whether or not being a Christian is a prerequisite for keying into that verse, we know that, at least, it was written to Christians and that verse exists.

But I did all the same do [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+5%3A14-15&version=KJV]James 5:14-15[/url] as you can see clearly here.

Though 39, I do not expect you to agree that the "elders of the church" were the numerous "doctors and wonderful caring people" I called upon, nor that the "oil they anointed me with in the name of the Lord" was the xray and the Magnetic resonance imaging (Mri) scan, and the Intravenous immunoglobulin which cost over £500 a go, and the very tall crane outside the window and the picture on the wall with the petal in the corner that said buda move your toe and the twelve tablets of Praziquantel at 40 pence a tablet.

How did you come about this interpretation if not self deceit? Among doctors are Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and Hindus (for those that would travel out due to the ineptitude of Nigerian doctors and lack of infrastructures). The same applies to the caring people around us. Are Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and Hindus elders of the church?

Services of modern medicine are not the oil that is being talked about. We can agree to disagree. I wonder how you will interprete many various unction in the bible.

My beans is not your beans, you see, because when it is written that "in the name of the Lord", I see the knowledge and wisdom of all those "doctors and wonderful caring people", while you, it seems, look for a magician or assume Christians do.

There is a reason why we say seek first the knowledge of God, and righteousness and understanding and wisdom and all other things will be added unto you.
_{Matthew 6:33 from the buda's understood version.}

What bearing does this have on verses that dish out a concise and clear way to tackle illness?

BatleFox:
You are supposed to be a woman on Nairaland don't forget

Busted

BatleFox:
They were all led astray by fake pastors like this op that has been cursing people all over this website these last 5 days only for him to turn pastor this morning. I've been fighting him upandan only to see him here. You can't imagine my suprise. See my post to him below...









@Fake pastor DenreleDave see how you and your type are bringing dishonor on God's holy name?

Most of these christians are hypocrites.

Nonsense. Prayers don't work. If they did, no christian would die of cancer. Come to LUTH and see for yourself.

Everyone must have heard the saying "god is not a magician." This is common among christians. It's a saying simply concocted as a cop-out to absolve themselves from the responsibility of believing in the miraculous as they should. Each time certain believers, by prayer and faith, demand miracles and wonders or expect certain supernatural workings from the divine, the response "god is not a magician" is sure to surface.

What is a miracle? What is magic? If I ask any christian to provide me with a list of events or occurrences that they would consider magic and I compare them to miracles in the bible such as Jesus turning water to wine, Jesus raising the dead, Elisha making a sunk axe head float by throwing a piece of wood in water(2 King 6:1-7), Moses splitting the red sea, Jesus multiplying fish and bread, etc. you can't tell the difference. Some may say "It's miracle if it's from god, it's magic if it's from the devil." Well, those that are expecting whatever supernatural and miraculous from the divine would, if their requests were granted, still end up getting a miracle since it's god they've asked. Beside, the bible makes it clear —in Matt 7:7, Mark 11:24, John 14:13, Ephesians 3:20— that with faith, you can pray to god for what you want and you will receive and god can do beyond what our mind can conceive.

Wouldn't it be better to a say "I know the bible contains many supernatural events and It also supports soliciting help and miraculous intervention from god through faith and prayer but I don't just believe that" instead of "god is able, benevolent, and all power and he is not a magician"? As I have shown, there are scriptural injunctions that permit a believer to solicit help and miraculous intervention from god through faith and prayer so why disapprove of or malign those keying into this as if they are foolish and unlettered on scriptural matters?

I don't support believers forgoing practical solutions to real life problems for divine help. However, if we endorse religion and the bible, we must admit that it's not out place for anyone following the bible to do such. How many christian cancer patients or malaria victims can try what is instructed in James 5:14-15? Would it surprise you if they did? You may advise christians against such but what can you do when they tell you that the bible supports their actions and they will obey the Bible?

The practice of forgoing medical care for faith healing has been disasterous for many. Even in business, career, and marriage, forgoing the best practical position for a strategy embedded in religious delusion can be disasterous as well and set you backwards. The way forward is to speak against these misleading and dangerous scriptural injunctions and reform the holy books accordingly.

As moderate Christians keep insisting that the bible is rational and doesn't support any egregious practice, christians that have the fortitude and honesty to take the bible for what it is will keep harming themselves and those around them. As moderate Muslims keep insisting that the quran is a book of peace, those that have the fortitude and honesty to take the quran as it is will not be deterred from islamic extremism. In both religions, the extremists, ironically, are the true believers.




HopefulLandlord, hahn, XxSabrinaxX, johnydon22, budaatum, LordReed, Michellekabod2, Sharon6,

Most Nigerian bloggers are so pathetic and inept that they just leave you shaking your head in disappointment, annoyed, or laughing at their ineptitude.

mrpaedo:
Nudes and toto haff tire me.I now prefare the subtler side of life

Good. There is more to life than romance, sex and relationship. Good day.

DonHummer:
OP, don't mind those mocking you, its a good thing you are speaking up. it shows you are really fighting those crazy thoughts. The truth is no matter what you do to her, in few years time you might/will regret it, and you have given her the power to ruin your life forever.. Keep voicing out your feelings to those who will help you heal and who could speak sense into you. Trust me 'time' will definitely heal all wounds. see what happened as your own mistake instead of blaming her for ruining you. Even as kids we were always warned about women and how they have destroyed men and kings. So you are not the first nor the last . move on bro.

AlphaPaul, this is a good advice. Don't mind those mocking you. They are no different from the woman you encountered. I know, from observing many others, that the hurt and wreckage can be immense. So immense can the hurt and trauma be that they have pushed many to suicide or to secretly and brutally avenge their hurt. For example, I once read a story of a pretty girl that got acid poured on her face by a man that disguised himself. The man couldn't be identified and he hasn't been found. I suspect something similar to your case.


You have to move on and be red pilled from henceforth. Don't mind those laughing at you. The hurt is real and it's good to see that you are trying to do something about it. At least, you are not suicidal.

mrpaedo:
@Emboldened The only reason a man should place a woman on a pedestal is to look up her skirt

Is she worth that effort? Why don't she send nudes instead?

AlphaPaul, I can understand your situation. This would have been avoided if you took the redpill. You have to pick up the pieces and move on. There was a case of a guy who killed the girl he was dating and training in school after she dumped him on graduating. After killing her, he killed himself. Why am I saying this? I just want to let you know the magnitude of abject misery you can incur when you give your whole heart, finances, and time to a women after placing her on a pedestal and assuming she is a good girl. I planning to open two threads very soon for guys like you. Take heart.

The father is a SIMPanzee and a disgrace to manhood.

danot1030:
He won't be ashamed in the face of a grave allegations because of people like you, a man of God for that matter

Why should he be ashamed? Is there any evidence that he raped Busola? So if my sister accuses your son of rape without any evidence, what would you do? Do you think it is right for some idiot on the internet to demand that your son live in shame over an allegation without evidence?

People like you who would contribute to ruining a man's life over a mere accusation are dangerously stupid. The world would be a much better place without people that think like you. After all, thanks to people that think like you, innocent men have gone to jail, for many years, over mere accusations that had no evidences. Shame on you.



Omar09

danot1030:
Thanks to Nigeria society where big pastors, politicians and celebrities acts as stars when accused of a crime due to the large followers of supporters that defend them, sing their praises, identify with them openly and makes the accusers look guilty and even accuses him or her of been paid. Literally you can get away with anything in Nigeria, if you have the money, the connection, the followers.

Biodun Fatoyinbo is not obliged to live in shame over an accusation that has no evidence. As far as due process is concerned, Fatoyinbo shall be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

kestolove95:
Na destiny..na so God plan am for am

Really?

budaatum:
How dare you miss out atheist buda in this list?


Was buda not the most atheist of all atheist?

My bad. Forgive me.

XxSabrinaxX:
Cc. budaatum, LordReed, Michellekabod2, Martinez39 / Martinez79, HappyPagan

Is it just me or is the religion forum getting boring? No more christian apologists. Just failed prophets, braindead zombies and twisted clowns parading the place nowadays...

The religious section isn't as interesting as it used to be. Then, for a long while, we had the privilege of seeing this spectacular combination :

ATHEISTS : HopefulLandlord, HardMirrow, Akintom, Otemanuduno, Tozara (I admire this guy a lot), Lepasharon (Sharon6), Catfishbilly, segunojo886, Donffd, johnydon22, Martinez19, CAPSLOCKED, Scepticalpyrrho, frank317, Dalaman, Ranchhodas, hahn, adepeter2027, proudgorgeousga, 1stSonOfLucifer, Seun (Seun was a regular contributor back then), ladyhippolyta88, etc.

THEISTS : Butterflylion (aka felixomor), Anas09, luvmijeje, KingEbukasBlog, Joeagbaje, Oaroloye (this guy's posts are very long and they are sprinkled with scriptures. He and Sciencewatch were sworn enemies.), Sciencewatch (a votary and advocate OF T.B. Joshua and Emmanuel TV. He claimed scientists all over the world are watching Emmanuel TV to enlighten themselves. ), President1 (predicted in all confidence that jesus was coming back on 20th January, 2017), Ishilove, Amberon11, Bennyann, etc.



I miss those years (2015 - 2017)

Na so. NAWALT signalling. Red pill men are not falling for this.

Mathematics. I learnt it by myself and I am good at it.

I don't know the purpose of this story. She died a natural death. Even women that are not promiscuous die the same way at times.

I remember when I created the thread in the link below. A lot of stupid nairaland girls were pretending as if the kind of wife I described doesn't exist and they were saying all sorts of nonsense.


https://www.nairaland.com/5214744/what-hell-wrong-set-married

Omolomo4eva:
Gave my 2nd semester school fees to her to buy JAMB form...las las,we no marry
.

Read and help yourself

https://www.nairaland.com/5150034/boys-get-here-mumu-must