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Duggedised12:
And who left you in charge of men on earth to decide who is masculine enough and not masculine enough?

I am not deciding for anybody, that's how I see things, and that isn't the point; are those characteristics in a man toxic or not, yes or no?

As a little boy, I used to believe that actors, actresses, newscasters etc were literally inside my TV and would sneak out and into the TV at midnight depending on their schedule.

operotimi:
please guys i want you to render me your advise on this

How do i cope with a proud girlfriend

she always believe shes right

shes unapologetic even though shes wrong

shes always behaving weird at times

Am 23, Shes 23....

If you stop dating her, will you die? Where is it written that you must date her?

Duggedised12:
So if repressing humane behaviors is not toxic ,then what is it?

As I said, emotions are not bad, instead emotional incontinence should be discouraged among men. I don't see how that is toxic. Overly emotional men are not masculine to me. Good day.

Duggedised12:
you talk too much ,chochochocho.

Don't mind me, I am less busy today, and I am bored.

You ended up affirming what she said but in a longer rant . na wah for you o.

I admitted that those sayings are in existence, but they are in no way toxic. Be like say your brain no day grab things wella.

I rest my case with you and t00dugged.

Duggedised12:
Come you this boy ,with all your ramblings and long posts and always talking about feminism ,you don pass obsession phase o. You better check yourself.

Also since you said "all women are feminist to varying degrees ,do we now conclude you are anti-women?

I don't hate women. Anti-feminists seek to curb feminism (it's shenanigans, misandry, and double standards). If you have a son that steals, do you necessarily hate him if you are "anti-stealing"?

t00dugged:
lol , I was expecting this , anyway in addition to that, toxic masculinity is thinking being a gentleman , being cultured , having empathy ,etc makes you a simp and a weakling , as masculinity views man as brutish , crude and hardened.

SMH. Who is a simp? You clearly don't know who a simp is.

So let me ask you, are feminist the ones that invented the phrase "real men don't cry" , or feminist the ones that invented "boys will be boys" . These are repressive behaviors that men are made fit into lest the have their "manly card " revoked and labelled as "not man enough".

Boys will be boys the same way a tiger will always be a tiger, what's your problem with that and how is that repressive?

I have heard of "real men don't cry," it follows from "real men are not emotional." It's repressive, but not in a toxic way. It just a discouragement of emotional incontinence in men. There are men who cry when their daughters are getting married, there is nothing wrong in that, but I can't do that and I don't see it as manly. Some men today would cry if they reconnect with their children after many years, but I will approach such situation with just a handshake. Emotions are not the problem, it is emotional incontinence. Personally, when a loved one dies (or something tragic happens), I will fondly remember them but I don't get depressed or sad at their death, or even cry, because death is part of life, anyone can die at any time, crying solves nothing, and I have to move on with my life. I don't even buy into tears of joy as a man, lmao. All these things are not toxic, men have to be tough, calm in heated situation, and calculative. These things start from the rough beginnings of mankind, men needed to be tough to survive.

Duggedised12:
With the way you carry feminism matter for your head, if to say you dey the time wey dem dey sacrifice virgins, you for volunteer to be butcher.

As be say women liberation and empowerment dey pepper you for body.

I am anti-feminist, but I am not obsessed with bashing feminists and feminism. I have no problem with women's empowerment and liberation.

t00dugged:
In simple and short terms , Toxic masculinity can be viewed as trying to carry out gender dominance.

I knew you will say rubbish. Olodo rabata. By your definition, would you say a woman who wants female dominance (even over males) is exhibiting toxic femininity? Lmao.

Toxic masculinity is simply the feminist propaganda that certain inherent aspects of masculinity are toxic and oppressive to the feminine gender. The ridiculous notion of mansplaining is a classic example of toxic masculinity (as cited by radical and stùpid feminists). When a man interrupts a woman during an argument, feminists (as to whom it applies) thinks he is mansplaining the woman because he thinks he is superior and her opinions doesn't count. Funny enough, and conveniently so, there is somehow nothing like womansplaining and toxic femininity.

Duggedised12:
Mr man , we know say you hate women and women oppression dey give you orgasm .Or I lie?

No, I don't hate women, I don't like women oppression, and it can't get orgasm from women oppression.

t00dugged:
Again I ask you how many men have been raped and killed by women ,since you have been born?

If you didn't conveniently ignore my "rants" and "epistles" (because they contained facts you didn't like), you would have seen where I wrote that the number of men who have been raped and sexually abused by women is something we will never know for obvious reasons.

What is toxic masculinity?

Duggedised12:
He is not dull , he is smart but bitter that women now have a voice , I think he would have loved to be in the era of the time where his ancestors were keeping virgins for sacrifice and killing twins or something.

Ah!

Duggedised12:
focus on improving the rape laws of this country, upgrading our law enforcement agencies with forensic technology and techniques, and electing competent leaders that are devoted to tackling such issues.


I think you could have left out the other of your ramblings . it's exhausting abeg,shuo. All your posts are centered around the same thing , feminism this feminism that ,oga e nor dey tire you,? geez! even on a thread like this you still managed to bring your long sermons ,we have heard ,you hate women , you rest na ,na wah for you o

Shut up woman! I was never centered on feminism, I was simply setting t00dùgged straight with facts. I was centred on rape, and the wrong notion that all men are rapists and rape is a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender. Funny how all my valid points in my "rants" and "epistles" were conveniently ignored by t00dugged, you, and others only for you and t00dugged to digress, misrepresent me, and turn the table on me.

t00dugged, what is toxic masculinity? Don't run o.

pocohantas:
Same way your red pills hasn’t stopped your brothers from collecting heartbreak.

How far your red-pill pharmacy?

The red pill pharmacy is growing, and more men are swallowing the pill even though we are still a negligible minority. Unfortunately, a simp is born every day so the hustle continues.

t00dugged:
The bolded ,how come only woman have a manual written for it by society to stay safe from being raped ? If you say males getting raped are just a heinous ,how come for generation and centuries only women have this manual?

As I said in my "rantings" and "epistles" (to borrow from pocohantas) which you conveniently ignored, male rape, since human history, has never been seen as something serious. Why spend time crafting a manual for something regarded as trivial and a subject for humour? It's only recently, compared to human history, that male rape is being spoken against, and that is done by a few men and women.

What is toxic masculinity?

pocohantas:
Always typing meaningless epistles. Women that you don’t agree with are hating men- but you are truth preacher. Seems you fell on your head as a child.

Okay, let's presume I went astray by branding you and others men hater; at least, you and other women can admit that social media rants, uproar, and drama solves nothing as far as this issue is concerned, and my proposed solutions are the only effective ways forward.

By the way, I don't call women who disagree with me men haters, and as you rightfully pointed out, I am truth preacher.

Duggedised12:
Another one of your long rabid dog moment posts ,* rolls eyes*, yawns .


so what is now the way forward Mr long post ranter? what should women do?, do we now move in fear of monsters lurking the shadows ? if we say we are scared for ourselves and our daughters will we be tagged paranoid?Do we leave this country for you men then so we can have peace and not be scared for our lives, just tell us the solution already , enough of your ramblings abeg.

The possible solutions were written in a reply to t00dugged.

[color=navy]Martinez39s:[/color]
For the umpteenth time, stop referring to rapists as my brothers (if that's what you mean). I am not folding my hand, I just a practical person who only thinks about the solution. I don't have the childish mind of most women and moronic men that see social media outrage and drama as a step towards solving a problem. Social media rants solve nothing as far this issue is concerned. Bashing men on social media solves nothing. If you want to solve rape, focus on improving the rape laws of this country, upgrading our law enforcement agencies with forensic technology and techniques, and electing competent leaders that are devoted to tackling such issues. Female can take protect measures, as they have been doing, to avoid being raped. Bashing all men and erroneously making rape to be a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender will only invite innocent men like myself to state the obvious fact that not all are rapists, female rapists exist, and such misandric generalisation is wrong. I hope pocohantas, cococandy, safarigirl, ishilove, lilmisfavvy, etc. can note this even though I know nothing can stop them from hating men. grin Finally, you can't stop male and female rape by talking to men and women just as you can't talk a lesbian into being straight, and you can't talk a psychopathic serial killer into stopping, it doesn't just work. Male and female rapists will continue to do their thing.

t00dugged:
Among your other rantings ,I am more concerned about your submission , Oh is that the reason you and your brothers have decided to fold your hands and drail thrle thread?

For the umpteenth time, stop referring to rapists as my brothers (if that's what you mean). I am not folding my hand, I just a practical person who only thinks about the solution. I don't have the childish mind of most women and moronic men that see social media outrage and drama as a step towards solving a problem. Social media rants solve nothing as far this issue is concerned. Bashing men on social media solves nothing. If you want to solve rape, focus on improving the rape laws of this country, upgrading our law enforcement agencies with forensic technology and techniques, and electing competent leaders that are devoted to tackling such issues. Females can take protective measures, as they have been doing, to avoid rape. Bashing all men and erroneously making rape to be a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender will only invite innocent men like myself to state the obvious fact that not all are rapists, female rapists exist, and such misandric generalisation is wrong. I hope pocohantas, cococandy, safarigirl, ishilove, lilmisfavvy, etc. can note this even though I know nothing can stop them from hating men. Finally, you can't stop male and female rape by talking to men and women just as you can't talk a lesbian into being straight, and you can't talk a psychopathic serial killer into stopping, it doesn't just work. Male and female rapists will continue to do their thing.

By the way, what is toxic masculinity?

t00dugged:
Toxic masculinity exists in all men in varying degrees, the society condones it and since Nigeria is tilted towards patriarchy, it is barely seen as abnormal behavior. Any woman who sees it as abnormal is seen as trying to ruffle feathers and stir the waters.

What is toxic masculinity? I am sure you can't even define it concisely.

No matter what you say, feminism is the reason the girl child can now have an education ,if for nothing else ,it is a good thing . And if you feel those things are a privilege to women ,many be you should grow a womb and stop whining.

Offpoint. How does this relate or follow from my argument? With or without feminism, women would be going to schools, it's was just a matter of time. Even in America, where the first feminists movement started, women were already going to schools in America and Europe.

Back to the topic, how many men have been raped and killed even if they will be it will definitely be gay crimes.How many elderly men have been gang raped by a group of girls? Why is that when rape comes up that is when you remember that men are raped too? If it's not to water down the seriousness of rape then what is it? Even young boys are now being raped by homos ,but that is a conversation for another day.

We will never know how many cases of females raping males exists. In society, such cases aren't seen as outrageous or "newsworthy" by most men and women. In fact, such cases hardly get reported for various reasons. Most men and women see the rape of females as egregious while most men and women don't see male rape as something that serious, and such cases might be received with great humour.

By the way, why do you disingenuously act as if male rape can only be between a grown man and a grown woman, and only through physical force? You do this because you, like your fellow feminists, want to dismiss male rape and see rape as a male flaw that affects women. What about the tons of cases of underaged boys being molested by their school teachers in the United States and other countries? www.google.com can fish out tons of such cases for you, and you would notice that there is no such outrage as would have occurred if a man was having sex with an underaged female student. Apart from physical force, did you consider drugging, blackmail, and females ganging up on an helpless man? Apart from adult men, did you consider little boys being raped by aunts or female neighbour's? We will never know how many of such cases are unreported. Would you have ever known that certain men were drugged and taken advantage of by Cardi B if she didn't admit to such?

What about Brittany Spears (not such if it's her) that baited and kissed a boy on public TV without his consent? Imagine if genders were reversed. What about women that grab men's diçks in the club from nowhere (there was such a case on nairaland, and people said the guy was taking it too far) Despite this, I don't go about calling all women rapists.

If only you will use this same energy to talk to your fellow men making this country scary for women folk , we will get somewhere.

lmao. How foolish! This is why I said male bashing on an issue like this is unproductive. In your twisted mind, do you really think a rapist can change by being talked to? Trying to talk a rapist into changing is like trying to talk a heterosexual man into being gay, goodluck with that.

This is a made up chat. If an angry woman who believes all men are rapists received a chat like this, she would have posted the identity of the doctor in public to expose him.

#AudioChat
#AudioDoctor

t00dugged:
In all you have said ,can you please tell everyone reading how you have come to the conclusion that I am a feminist? Let's start from there first.

Because it's rather ridiculous how toxic and utterly disgusting you men can be on this forum loosely throwing feminism around .

I would very much appreciate it if you point out where you sensed any kind of toxic feminism in my comments. A screenshot would even be better. Thanks.

All women are feminists to varying degrees. Radical feminism is female nature amplified and unrestrained. Feminists are of two kinds: the outspoken, and the pretenders. As proof, in all gynocentric western societies, all women (conservative or liberal, traditional or not, religious or not, etc) will either openly or secretly support the achievements of feminism (child support, alimony, child custody and other divorce laws, being believed when she accuses a man of rape, etc.). No women can oppose these things by their actions. At most, they may pretend they hate feminism and bash it, but they love, openly or secretly, gynocentrism and equitable patriarchy. The issue of gynocentrism, especially in marital laws and claims of rape/domestic abuse, is a topic they like to avoid.

I don't need to be a genius to know you are a feminist. Deny it.

Also since you claim women are the insensitive and childish ones here , here Below are your brothers ,I am sure these are very thoughtful comments. So who needs orientation more , the women who don't feel safe in the country or the men who make the country unsafe for women ,you decide.

Learn to read my post properly. I never said women are insensitive, I only said those that turned this situation to male bashing are insensitive. Your pictures doesn't negate anything I said, and you shouldn't call rapists my brothers (as a feminist, we would persist in doing such because you love to group all men together, and call them rapists); I never said there are no male rapists. Male rapists exist just like like female rapists. Male and female rape apologists and deniers do exist; I have seen men and women who have said that a man cannot be raped. However, you would never see me call all women rapists.

t00dugged:
There are those men who keep silent on issues like this

Then there are those who channel their energy to defend the bro code with the " not all men are rapists " chant instead of condemning the rapists,

Then there are those who boldly come out to support the rapists like the ones Below.


In all of these categories ,non seem to be empathizing with the victim. These groups of men are all categorised among the group of rapists apologists.

And I guess you already know the category you belong to. Smh

"Not all men are rapists" is a fact just as "not all women are rapists" is a fact. Maybe men wouldn't have to say "not all men are rapists" in situations like these if feminists like you weren't going about using this tragedy to imply that all men are rapists and rape apologists/enablers, and rape is a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender. There are tons of female rapists/sex predators, but no one says all women are rapists.

Changing a serious situation like this into male bashing is unproductive, insensitive to the victims of rape, and utterly childish.

I don't know why some men rape women.

drips8:
The only way black people in America will take them seriously is when they are given reparations for slavery and the effects of segregation and that is something white people are clearly not ready to do.

Reparations kii you there.

JONNYSPUTE, emmaodet, Omar09, CAPSLOCKED, GreatReseacher1, Zabiboy, ilegendd, HARDDON, Ubunja, etc.

Welcome to a new month.

emmaodet:

Just like that

If a girl tells you she is a virgin and she doesn't want sex before marriage, and you find out on your wedding night that she is a nonvirgin, divorce is the best thing. That bait and switch is a red flag in itself. The woman is a fraudster.

Divorce her.

Naija246:
Exactly!
I have never seen a single case where the wife provides for the home without insulting her husband.
Even if she doesn't insult you explicitly, she will throw subtle jibes.
Now tell me, if a man can't even count on his wife when he is down, what do men even gain exactly from this union called marriage?.. nothing!
Marriage benefits Women not men;
It's a relic of the past that has outlived it's usefulness.

As a young man, I can confidently tell you that there's nothing married men enjoy in their relationship that I don't get ten times of as a single guy!

Is it sex? I literally rotate hot young girls like my underwear.

is it someone to do household chores? I have a maid from benin republic and a washing machine incase I need to wash my clothes and clean the house.

is it someone to talk to? I have a ton of friends from all over the world that I talk to on discord.

Are you a mind reader? You just wrote down some of my thoughts about marriage.

cococandy:
Fine you said her comment is inciting. Let me ask you this.

How many times have ever heard someone say
1) women be careful don’t go out at so and so time.
2) don’t go to a man’s house alone
3) dress “properly” to prevent rapists from being attracted to you
4) don’t accept anything from a man unless you’re ready to pay back with your body.
5) make sure you learn self defense....the list goes on.

While not bad advice, do you believe there is anything else fueling these advice except the fear of what men do to women? To encourage women to be wary of men or they might hurt and killed?

The emboldened advices are not given to women to protect themselves against men, it is given to protect themselves against male rapists by being prepared to fight back and not taking any chances.

The third advice is utterly moronic because it insinuates that rapists are not to be held accountable. All humans must be held accountable for their actions, and it's a woman's right to dress as she pleases.

The fourth is not too common and it isn't a way to protect yourself from men. A lot of men spend on women freely. Beside, if a man wants sex in exchange for giving you his money, he is entitled to do that. His money, his money; the same applies to a woman.

mrpaedo:
Women always fantasize about getting raped.The men who raped them only made their fantasies a reality
Are there videos of the rapes available online?
I would love to wa.nk off to them

Oga, someone was raped and murdered. Rape and murder are very wrong even if the victim had a rape fantasy. Your trolling has taken a very dark lane.

pocohantas:
Why are you crying they said MEN.

I am not crying or being bitter. I just dropped my thoughts.

MEN are more intelligent, you no cry.

Don't turn this into a gender war. There are tons of cases of female rapists/sexual predators, but you don't see me calling all women rapists, and saying that rape is peculiar to the feminine gender.

MEN are logical, you no cry.

Men and women are logical, but on average, a woman is predisposed to being more emotional and self-centered with her logic.

MEN are responsible for all the inventions in the world, you sabi this one. Even though you haven’t invented anything.

This is blatantly false. I have never supported this or championed this false notion (I stand to be corrected). However, most of the inventions and groundbreaking discoveries are done by men. That's just facts.

Are you tired of taking glory for all men? Take it all. They are men, not donkeys.

It seems you think I am a gender warrior. I am not a gender warrior, I am on the side of facts. Issues like the tragedies in the OP are not to be transmuted into a gender war; it's insensitive to the victims, and it's unproductive. Vilifying all men for something some men and women do is way irrational and out of place.

If you insist that rape is peculiar to men, so be it.

pocohantas:
But you tell people that ALL women are the same? Silly red-pill selling hypocrite!!!

How are both cases related to each other? When it comes to hypergamy and how women "love" men, all women are indeed the same. When it comes rape, we know for certain the following:
(1) A lot of men and women are against rape so it is wrong to say that rape is a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender. When Busola Dakolo accused Pastor Fatoyinbo of raping her, both men and women matched to protest, and both men and women defended Pastor Fatoyinbo. In fact, Pastor Bolaji Idowu, a man, once led a protest regarding the pathetic rape law of this country some years back.
(2) There are male rapists, and there are female rapists so how fair is it for Rita and Genevieve to subtly insinuate that rape is a flaw peculiar to the masculine gender?

I am sad at the incidents listed in the OP, but let's not support those or be like those pulling out the usual feminist move on these tragedies to bash a particular gender, make it seem like only men like abusing power, and men are roaming day and night looking for ways to terrorize and oppress women. Finally, I have never ever condoned rape of men and women as a red pill guy.