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Veecruz:
So if your father was a politician you would not see nor talk about the evils politicians do and all politicians are good because your father is a politician right? See how unjust your judgment is.

So in other words your mom is also a killer since she's a woman, right?

Veecruz:
This is off point but i cant resist not answering it.

The question is "more what"! But was there any lawful thing that David had not already been given?

FOR LO, HE WAS A BUSH MAN, NOT EVEN A CITY BOY O, BUT A BUSH MAN WHO WAS GIVEN A WHOLE PRINCESS TO MARRY.

AND AFTER THAT HE LIKE NO 4. CONTENDER TO THE THRONE OF PRESIDENT.

FROM BUSH BOY TO PRINCE AND THE PRESIDENT CONTENDER.

IF YOU MARRY DJ CUPPY, OR NED NWOKO'S DAUGHTER, HAVE YOU NOT ALREADY HAD EVERYTHING?

Please, the argument is over and your thoughts on polygamy being allowed by God is destroyed. Stop being a devil and stop inviting people to sin.

Whatever you mean with this is your personal opinion!

MiddleDimension:
If his wife agrees, yes! Or have you forgotten that men are the ones who usually do not have any problem when it comes to their daughter's marriage?

OK o!

Veecruz:
O you are confessing that your mother kills children, because she is a woman because you could not answer a simple questiion.

This is the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/7998307/women-always-kill-potential-children

Check and read what the OP said about women even though he's a product of women!

Ask the true disciples of Christ: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

MiddleDimension:
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I want you to provide evidence to SHOW THAT THE SO-CALLED SUFFERING ANY ONE IN THE BIBLE SUFFERED, IS DUE TO ''POLYGAMY''.

IT WILL BE A MASSIVE SHAME ON YOU IF YOU GO AND POINT AT THE COMMON ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE IN HOMES, POLYGAMY OR NOT AS PRESENT IT AS ISSUES WRONG WITH POLYGAMY!

At this point, I know you are going to say jealous, envy, hatred, etc, are all product of polygamy. Well, lets see if that is true and that you don't find it in dangerous levels in momogamy as well!

First of all, lets look at monogamies in the bible and see if these ''problems'' exist.

Adam and Eve

Adam and Eve was a mogamous marriage yet, we could find all the things you listed above in dangerously high levels!

Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to god and the bible says Cain became FURIOUS and SCOWLED in ANGER! (gen 4:5). His anger reached such a dangerous level that god had to warn him to be careful. God said: ''because you have done evil, SIN IS CROUCHING AT YOUR DOOR AND IT WANTS TO RULE YOU, BUT YOU MUST OVERCOME IT.''. Because the anger and jealousy was so great, he turned around and did the worst: KILL ABEL! That's case No1.

Case No2: Isaac and Rebecca

This is another monogamy, whose ONLY CHILDREN were TWINS, and as you will see, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, that there was a dangerous level of ENVY, HATRED, JEALOUSY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CURSE, FAVOURITISM AND THEFT.

Even though Cain and Abel were twins, the bible says: Isaac prefered Essau while Rebecca prefered Jacob (Gen 25:28). That's favouritism which you think polygamy breeds! the favouritism was at such a dangerous level that when Isaac wanted to bless Essau, one of Rebecca's children, she plotted and STOLE the blessings for Jacob. When Essau heard it, he said: ''THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE IS CHEATING ME'' (Gen 27:36). In vs 41, it says: Essau HATED Jacob and that he will KILL Jacob. In vs 44, Rebecca said to Jacob to stay with his uncle until his brother's ANGER had cooled down.

So, can we say these are due to monogamy?

Now, lets look at polygamy and see if there exists virtue and some of God's loftiests ideals.

Lamech (Gen 4: 18-22)

The bible says Lamech had two wives and he had three sons. The first one, Jabal, was the father of those who did agriculture. The second was the father of musicians, and the third one was the father of those who made crafts.

When the bible says ''they are they fathers of...'' it means they were so accomplished in their chosen careers that when you mention those careers, they are the first ones that will cone to mind. They became famous for these professions due to their hard work, dedication and delligence.

According to sociologists, there is a strong correlation between career success and a very well adjusted home.

Jacob's polygamous home

When the other brothers plotted to kill Joseph, Reuben, Jacob's first born who DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTHER WITH JOSEPH BY THE WAY, planned to save him. Also, take note that his brothers hate him not because he had a different mother, but because ''joseph loved him more than the others''(Gen 37:4). Also, see that all his brothers who hated him, were also children of different mothers. They also loved Benjamin and protected him even though he was born of Rachel, Joseph's mother. Judah said he PLEDGED HIS LIFE FOR BENJAMIN (Gen 44:32).

After Joseph had been sold and Reuben.came back to the well and dis not find him, the bible said he TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW! (Gen 37:29)

What about Gideon, who the bibke says.had many wives yet NOT A SINGLE EVIL WAS RECORDED TO HIS NAME INSTEAD, HE WAS MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 11 AS A MODEL OF FAITH TO THE BORN AGAIN.

I know you are shocked because you hope is, I will never find something like this from the bible!

You all are SERIOUSLY TO IGNORANT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE YET, YOU CONFIDENTLY STEP UP WHENEVER THIS DISCUSSION ARISES.

When God told Peter that he should not call unclean what to him is clean, He was rebuking you chriatians from having an opinion based on prejudice! (Acts 10: 15)

Peter did not know enough about what is clean or not clean in the sight of God. So, out of his partial or total ignorance, he called unclean what to god is holy. Just as you are sinfully calling polygamy unclean when to God it is Holy, admirable, blessed, functional, good and praise worthy.

Let me tell you the dangers of not knowing your God's stands on issues and then go on to have an false knowledge about it.

Because Peter thinks the gentiles are not of God because they have not carried out all the purifications prescribed in the law of moses, and because they are not 'decendants' of Abraham, is the reason why he pulled back from the them when he saw Paul and the jews coming in the way. (Gal 2:11-21) As a result of that move, he denied the gentile christians the benefit of his annointing which they would have got if he stayed with them! The bible says: ''People learn from one another, just as iron sharpens iron'' Proverbs 27:17.

Yes, God could still have got the same benefit to the people whether or not Peter choses that he be used as agent of God in the process, as his reach is not limited by soace or time. But why would god do things himself when he has an ambassador in you? The reason ge gas you there is that you might share in his work to save man.

So, Peter, in withdrawing from the gentiles for fear and ignorance of what God considers clean, committed a grave sin against the lord!

In the same way too, because you have chosen to not know the truth and mind of God concerning popygamy, you are committing a grave sin against the lord! Because it shapes your mind and attitutde in a negative way to that holy institution and those who come from it!

Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any!

MiddleDimension:
My dear the scripture you quoted has got nothing to do with the topic at hand! You all should even listen to yourselves when you speak!

My dear, Polygamy is TRUE, RIGHTEOUS, CHASTE AND PRAISE WORTHY! YOU ALL THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF A THING, THEN IT BECINES BAD! A THING IS NOT BAD BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT!
AND YES, THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE VIRTEOUS, AND WILL ADVICE THEIR MOTHERS, SISTERS, OR FEMALE FRIENDS TO BECOME A SECOND WIFE!

Your daughter brought a young man to you so that you can assist him to become financially strong in order to take care of her and her children to be born so you did everything within your capability to assist the young man just because he's the one your daughter chooses to marry.

If the same man now your son in-law comes to you for advice on polygamy what will you tell him, to go ahead or discard the idea?

JobZoneNews:
Where did you read that he answered them with fire before then. He is lifeless. Baal has no life.

Of course Baal can answer them!

Remember that it was a challenge if the false prophets of Baal haven't performed such tricks before they wouldn't have accepted such a challenge.
The magicians in Egypt performed a number of signs until God stopped their demons from supporting them! Exodus 8:1-19

MrPresident1:
According to eleri jehofa, he isn't?

According to the Bible David is yet to qualified for everlasting life!

He must bow for Christ's counsel within the 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus and accept the standard God set in the beginning not injustice that humans introduced along the way.

So he must learn to do away with swords {Matthew 26:52} with anger {Matthew 5:22} forgive and pray for his enemies {Luke 6:27-28} with polygamy {Matthew 19:4} failure to do all these he will return to hell because apart from Born Again disciples of Christ no one is qualified for everlasting life until the end of Christ's 1,000 years reign! Revelation 20:5

Whoever fail to master Christ's personality within the 1,000 years will perish no matter who he is for all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory! Romans 3:23

MrPresident1:
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

A man can be one flesh with many women, but for the woman it is corruption; she gets corrupted, her field gets sown with different kinds of seed

2 Samuel 12:7-9
King James Version
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

This is David, the man after God's heart, God telling him he would have given him more women if he asked

You know nothing.

So David is qualified for everlasting life shey?

MrPresident1:
A stupid question. We are talking about the reign of the Branch; when he has destroyed all the evil ones from the earth and he has reordered everything as it should be.

The women will be fully independent and capable and they will not need any man to provide for them. But because it is not right that a full mature woman should not have a man in the kingdom, they will accept polygamy

Besides, the Law of the Lord will be in full force all over the earth, and all the shenanigans that make polygamy undesirable in this present time, all the shenanigans of Satan to destroy the home and the family, will finally be ended!

So the standard God set in the beginning:

One Adam and One Eve wasn't PERFECT as God declared shey? Genesis 1:31

Beautifulday:
Bro! You don wyne my brain with the second paragraph. I no understand am

After the confusion at the tower of Babel {Genesis 11:1-9} fallen angels came down to claim territories for themselves and they were influencing people against themselves to fight over the territories as worshipers of these fallen angels.
The true God was patient until they've all settled down that was when He called one of their worshipers named Abraham to introduce Himself and promised this man a lot. God didn't drag territories with the fallen angels but took Abraham to a place where there aren't inhabitants and asked him to settle there.
After the Israelites returned from Egypt they met people on the land God promised Abraham so they had to send them away or destroy them because they're all worshipers of fallen angels.
Before they settled on that land God told His people to provide a sacrifice for those demons to leave the territory! Leviticus 16:10

That's why none of those gods (demons) has any right to operate in the land of Canaan not until the Israelites themselves began inviting the demons back by worshiping them!

MrPresident1:
Lying criminal that you are. The verse is talking about the time of the Branch, when the Branch starts reigning. In that day, when Israel is redeemed from all her enemies, it will be an anathema for any woman not to have a man over her. So, the woman will be fully independent, yet because it is the law of the Lord, they will take and accept polygamy. There will be none of all these evils associated with modern day polygamy because the Branch is in charge of the whole earth, reigning from Jerusalem, and his word will be LAW.
Isaiah 4:1-2
King James Version
4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
Let's God's curses come upon the deceivers as soon as possible

Will you approve polygamy for your mom or daughter?

Ken4Christ:
Our Lord Jesus never gave explicit instructions that Christians should marry only one wife. The Apostles didn't either.

Jesus gave but you're not listening to the Holy Spirit!

If you know that polygamy is bad for your mom, sister or daughter then what do you have to say about this statement of Christ?

“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean." Matthew 7:12

Christ Jesus said:

"But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you. I leave you peace; I give you my peace. I do not give it to you the way that the world gives it. Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear" John 14:26-27

So how come you're not learning from the Holy Spirit that polygamy doesn't give peace in any home?
And why are you in support of what you will not want for your own mom, sister or daughter?

Veecruz:
They know! For when people want to sin then they start pretending and acting like they dont know The Truth!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm but i don't agree with you that all of them knows!

For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. Romans 10:3

The point of emphasis is they don't know the righteousness of God!

Beautifulday:
It is reported in scripture that the prophets of Baal called him from morning to dawn. Yet, they got no answer. Why did he not answer because he use to answer them with fire before that day.

Baal can't answer when the God whose name is established in that geographical location is standing there with Elijah!

Note that all other gods has been given a goat when the God of Abraham came with the Israelites to that place {Leviticus 16:10} from that day none of those gods had the right to operate in that territory anymore!

Veecruz:
Jacob planned on marrying only one wife and not 2.

Most of them don't know that none of the patriarchs planned to marry more than one wife!

Ken4Christ:
So, God did an evil thing by giving King David many wives?

David lived before Christ Jesus taught us how we can qualify for everlasting life in Paradise.

Do you know why David in an inspired expression called Jesus "Lord"? Psalms 110:1

Well it simply means he is ready to accept the counsel from the wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} about how we will live in Paradise.

So if David was alive during the time Jesus walked the earth he has no option than to bow to the counsel Jesus gave us that the arrangement in the beginning was One Adam and One Eve!

Ken4Christ:
You didn't get me right. I said it's better to marry than one wife than to marry one and cheat in marriage. The former will make heaven but the latter won't. But if you have self control, maintain one wife and avoid troubles.

That's what faithless Jews came to ask Lord Jesus because Moses told them to give their women a certificate of divorce if they no longer love her, Jesus made it clear to them that it's due to the hardness of their hearts because those people can kill their own wives and claim something else killed her after all it's when she dies that they can remarry.

But in the midst of God's own children who has been born of God's Holy Spirit none must harden his or her heart!

Veecruz:
You dont do it yet you advice it, that is the definition of a devil.

They don't understand God's word they only quote it.

There's no single polygamist in the Bible who doesn't experience the pain and sorrow that has to do with polygamy.

Must God tell us that's it's evil when we ourselves knows that?

Imagine after scrutinizing him about his mom, sister or daughter being a victim of polygamy he came out openly that he hates it yet he's quoting Isaiah 4:1 where God laid a cursed on the inhabitants of Jerusalem!

MightySparrow:
Hahahaha
I am laughing in JW's paradise's language.

Please next time don't quote me if you're not competent enough to handle scripturally based discussions.

The word FASTING is not about food that's the truth otherwise ask any of your pastors to quote how Christians fasted and ate at intervals as they've made you to believe!

Emusan:
Smile....
Always with excuse.
The question 'are you Maximum692 A Christian?' Did you answer it? No!
Meanwhile, you keep asking me to tell you my place of worship is laughable.
Do you agree that Emusan isn't @OLAADEGBU again?
because no prominent person on Religion section who doesn't know that @OLAADEGBU is A Deeper Life member including you.
If Emusan isn't the same person as @OLAADEGBU as you stated before, where did you ever admit it? At least, that will show you're not confused. But claiming HOLY Spirit told you something and you keep asking me the same thing Holy Spirit told is nonsense.
Lastly, if you still insisted that both Emusan and @OLAADEGBU are still the same person as Holy Spirit told in that screenshot, aren't you supposed to hold whatever Holy Spirit told you above whatever I'll tell you? At least I know you believe Holy Spirit can't lie.
Anyways, I know you'll keep coming with different excuses but you can't eat your cake and also have it.

All these is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Christians must assemble for the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to them so if you're not doing so you can't be a Christian!

MrPresident1:
Guy, Isaiah 4:1 is the future

Guy that's the curse God laid upon the females in Israel that most of their young men will die at war and the remaining men will become hot cake for their females to beg just to bear their names as those females must feed, clothe and cater for themselves as a punishment from God! Isaiah 4:4

So don't think such is for faithful people rather it was a curse upon faithless inhabitants of Jerusalem and it's inhabitants for making God angry!

Ken4Christ:
I personally don't love polygamy nor want to practice it because of obvious challenges or problems that comes with it. But I am making my point based on the evidence of scripture.

Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well-spoken-of, whatever things are virtuous, and whatever things are praiseworthy, continue considering these things! Philippians 4:8

When it comes to reality polygamy is not true, it's bad, not righteous, not chaste, not lovable, not well spoken of, not virtuous, not praise worthy that's why no sincere or normal human will want it for his mother, sister or daughter to be a victim of polygamy.

That's how to set matters straight using God's word! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Emusan:
My question wasn't directed to Watchtower that was very clear, well maybe you have added eyes problem with the dull brain.
On the other hands, you keep saying I should tell you the church I associated with.
Meanwhile, you are the very one who claimed on this forum that The Holy Spirit of Jehovah told you Maximum692 that Emusan is the same person behind the moniker @OLAADEGBU and you know as well that @OLAADEGBU is a member of Deeper Life. (Even your deluded brother Amemjah or whatever use to called me KUMUYI boy, I think because him too believed your story of what The Holy Spirit of Jehovah to you his brother).
So, are you trying to say The Holy Spirit of Jehovah lied to you?
OR
Do you want to accept that you liked against The Holy Spirit of Jehovah?

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Evidence is below @screenshot

It's better you stick to question between only you and i without attaching my religious group because i won't answer a single question that has to do with my group if you will not mention yours!

MightySparrow:
You are a mumu.
Was it wrong for the apostles to have fasted? Let you GB continue to deceive you into delusion.

When did you become this abusive?

Is it because i responded to you?

Well those scriptures mentioned FASTING but what our of the day did they start the fasting and when did they break it the way you people do today?
That's what i'm asking?

MightySparrow:
Show now without any ambiguous references your kind of fasting from the scriptures.

But i showed you Isaiah 58:1-8 and instead of you to meditate you quickly dismissed it.

Did Isaiah say God welcome fasting that has to do with hypocritical hunger strike?

Jesus never taught his disciples to fast that's what the disciples of John the baptist came to ask him:

Then John’s disciples came to him and asked: “Why do we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?” John 9:14

John practiced fasting as part of the custom he met the Jews doing but Jesus never taught his own disciples so please explain how Jesus said his followers should fast as in something having to do with rejection of food!

MightySparrow:
Lie Sir. Moses also sober went without food only for forty days twice not his entire lifetime. Daniel ate at intervals. Jesus went without food for forty days in His earth life only once.

Did Moses eat any food at intervals?
Did Daniel fast and eat at intervals? Please quote.

MightySparrow:
Paul said 'often'
2Cor.6.5 KJV- In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Cor.11.27 KJV- In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and unclothedness.

These are conditions Paul found himself not what he did intentionally as you can see for yourself.

MightySparrow:
Where do you see this logic of yours, extra biblical Revelations?
Though your NWT translation is misleading. Where Paul separated hunger and fasting, it muddles the the things together.(Organization Against Jehovah).

in labor and toil, in sleepless nights often,+ in hunger and thirst,+ frequently without food,+ in cold and lacking clothing.*
2Corithians 11:27 NWT.

The NWT presented it the way it should be because Paul never supported hunger strike which you people practice today:

Now close to daybreak, Paul encouraged them all to take some food, saying: “Today is the 14th day you have been waiting anxiously, and you have gone without taking any food at all. So I encourage you to eat some food; this is in the interests of your safety, for not a hair of the head of any one of you will perish.” After he said this, he took bread, gave thanks to God before them all, broke it, and started eating. So they all took courage and began taking some food themselves. In all we were 276 persons in the ship. When they had eaten enough food to be satisfied, they lightened the ship by throwing the weath overboard into the sea. Act 27:33-38

The above situation is where Paul often finds himself they thought he did intentionally that's why they all joined him but he made it clear to them that it's no a religious practice rather it was due to anxiety that he couldn't eat therefore they should eat their food.
Note that the Bible never said the whole people in that ship were believers rather they were scared!

MightySparrow:
As I said, I have some of you around me, none of them practice this 'fasting,' of yours! Oh, my brother can demolish bowls of eba and okro!
Spiritually lazy folks teaching and misleading people everywhere.

You still don't get it, JWs do fast but it's not about going without food rather it's about the orders Jesus gave us which are not palatable.

Jesus Christ is the founder of Christianity he never taught his disciples to go on hunger strike that's why you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus initiated such fasting, he was taken into the wilderness for forty days and forty nights during those days he eat nothing. Luke 4:1-2

So if you want to prove this your fasting as something scriptural please quote where it happened and how they ate at intervals.
Thank you!

Ken4Christ:
Any man who wants to live a polygamous life should discuss it first. And any woman who is okay by it can accept or reject it.

You didn't answer the question!

OK let me rephrase it:

Would you advise your son in-law or brother in law to practice polygamy?

If a man marry your daughter and you assisted him to get a better life because he's married to your daughter, hope you will welcome the new development when he decides to take a new wife and get a RIVAL for your daughter?

Emusan:
I never asked Watchtower any questions.

1. Are you Maximum692 a Christian?

2. Did you Maximum692 claim Apostles made mistakes the same way Watchtower made mistake?

3. Was the mistake the apostles made appears in their teachings the same way watchtower mistake full their publications which you Maximu692 was defending?

Highlighted is the organization i associate with now mention yours!