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God created all creatures using the dust of the earth {Genesis 2:7} so at death all creatures return to dust {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} the energy sustaining our heart to continue breathing returns to God who gave it to all creatures in the beginning! Ecclesiastes 12:7

As for Heaven humans have no business doing there that place belongs God and other spirit beings it's earth God made for humans! Psalm 115:16

Where most Bible readers got it all wrong is when Jesus was talking to his prospective corulers, they're supposed to reign with him in Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3} but the inhabitants of that city were attacking God's messengers and sending many of them to early grave {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jerusalem was condemned and the glory is to be taken to another place {Matthew 22:7} when Jesus was talking about all the calamities that will befall Jerusalem {Luke 21:24} his disciples became devastated so he consoled them assuring them that the kingdom has been given to them {Luke 12:32} but where are they going to stay with him to rule?
That's why he said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be. John 14:1-3

This statement doesn't mean that all believers are going to heaven but only those who are prospective corulers with Christ will become spirit creatures like angels to stay with Christ so just as Jesus never marry they also will no longer think of marriage because they have become spirit creatures {Luke 20:34-36} so they will rule with him over the earth and mind you it's a limited number! Revelation 14:1

vdestro:
Every atheists has his own personal issue against God because He did not help them. That is the common factor.

The hidden thorn in their flesh is selfishness coupled with greed and wickedness!

They want God to treat them special because they claim they're His worshipers so instead of making research to know why there is injustice, suffering and pain in the world they feel God supposed to prevent all of that not to affect them while they watch others suffer all of it.
So because they're lazy intellectually to make the needed research they concluded there is no God! Psalm 10:4

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay! @the Subscripted texts.
Maybe because I'm stoic in nature, I really don't know whether a kind of disappointment can lead people to atheism. I think it can only lead them to misotheism(the hatred for god and deities).

Your problem is picking words that has been defined to your taste and keeping it in your dairy anticipating others to swallow it the same way you did. Theism, Atheism, Misotheism, Agnosticm, Polytheism this or that Eism doesn't make you wise it's only a sign that you have accumulated so many garbages of human philosophical ideas.
If someone truly believes God exist it's the way he/she deals with others that will prove it not what they're saying with their mouth!

FRANCISTOWN:
When I was a Christian and my prayers weren't answered, that was when my faith grew the more because I thought it was god testing me.

There you go again claiming you were once a Christian when in actual fact you were just a misinformed churchgoer. Christians must find time to go out with fellow believers to preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} and the theme of their message should be "God's Kingdom" {Matthew 10:7} they must not disturb the public who aren't interested in their message with noise {Matthew 12:19} they must not be found in politics {John 17:14} they must not be killers justifying it by nationalism claiming they are protecting/defending their country {Matthew 10:23} they must love their neighbours (people everywhere) as themselves {Mark 12:31} they must not join in killing or support the killing of any wrongdoer! Matthew 7:1-4
I know all these won't matter to you as long as the definition given to you about Christianity is just to go doing churchy stuff.

FRANCISTOWN:
I think only knowledge can lead one to atheism. In my own case, I read a report
in 2011 and I really started to think.
Then I started reading everything I
could lay my hands on because I was
fighting with my sprit to not doubt the
existence of God.

Your so called knowledge was based on what people say not critical thinking because if you're a critical thinker you supposed to criticize atheism too but since you have nothing tangible to hold onto as knowledge of God you think atheism is better.

FRANCISTOWN:
Anyone who became an atheist because God disappointed them is just hurting, sooner or later they'll find their way back to him but you see those of us who became atheists thru knowledge and critical thinking. There is nothing anybody can tell us again that we've not known.

Did you know that without all those things Jesus commanded you're ya Christian?
If course you don't!
So ọmọ there are lots and lots of things you don't know!

FRANCISTOWN:
See, just looking at this world is enough
for everyone to know that there is no
god in charge.

There you go claiming you were once a Christian yet you don't know that Satan is in charge of the affairs of this world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} according to God's word Satan is striving really hard to keep mankind in check but he couldn't because the method he started with has already failed from the beginning, he convinced humans that they can rule over themselves independently without God if they themselves assume the office of God {Genesis 3:4-5} so how can he set standards for them and expect them to live by such standards wholeheartedly when each of them feels like a God on his or her own?
That's where everything went wrong! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

FRANCISTOWN:
"The earth belongs to the sons of men"

YES, God gave it to men {Psalm 115:16} but not for humans to direct the steps of their fellow human because even each one needs God's guidance {Jeremiah 10:23} so it's impossible for them to rule themselves successfully!

You will learn a lot from true disciples of Christ if you continue with this thread!

Aemmyjah:
One important use of the brain is comprehension and I am sure you were taught in school on how to comprehend
I was talking about professing Love for God and it has to start from the heart
Is telling someone you love him just mere words like you're telling him the time OR a confession (true or false) from the heart?
You don't accept the bible but you quote from it to suit yourself

Ọmọ there is a big difference between telling God how you feel while talking to Him in your closet {Matthew 6:6} and showy display of affection just to impress onlookers! 2Timothy 3:5

Aemmyjah:
What more can we expect from people whose idealogy is that Life has no purpose, Future, no Hope?

They are victims of the REAL ATHEISTS!
If someone has been defrauded by those guys using the name of Jesus or God such a person will find it really hard to forgive God because they will be wondering where was He when the Yahoo big boys were using His name to defraud them!

FRANCISTOWN:
Good you brought Mat 12:34 upon yourself.
Your fellow JW guy said many people only confess God by mouth and not by heart.
But your Jesus said "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"
Now who is lying?

All you need to do if you're sincere with yourself is ask what Jesus meant because the same Jesus said:

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ Matthew 15:8-9

And

“For no fine tree produces rotten fruit, and no rotten tree produces fine fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For example, people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they cut grapes off a thornbush. A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks" Luke 6:43-45

If they praise God with their mouth as good but at the same time makes him appear to be partial doesn't that show you the type of person they're inwardly?

If so what happens to DEMON........CRAZY?

Aemmyjah:
Original sin is simply the sin that caused Man's fall. Simple as ABC

Many rebellious people just come to Nairaland thinking it's just by quoting the Bible that makes someone a believer.

Your conversation with that girl really make my day.

So Jesus has been prepared in the beginning for sacrifice even before Adam's rebellion?

Well what do you expect from rebellious people who despised Christ's brothers only to start reading the Bible by themselves thinking they can figure it all out without being taught!

AntiChristian:
Answered in and around 1914 to make JW the new world wide Christians!
I sabi una!

YES! If you're sincerely interested in what the scriptures say about God's organized people and what they will be doing in the endtime!

TenQ:
My Righteousness is in Christ ALONE: not in any organisation. Is that Evil?

Mere claim! Matthew 7:21-23
Faith without works! James 2:18-26

AntiChristian:
Jesus's prayer will never be answered till the world ends!

It has been answered!

Satan only initiate his own agents to gather his type of people (rebellious and lawless) into groups so what confuses unintelligent ones is that Satan's agents are also claiming Christians {2Corinthians 11:14} that's why Jesus said:

"By their fruits you will know them"

Jesus never killed anyone neither did his first century disciples so the fruit of Christianity is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

This is what it takes to do God's will so that a global family of peach loving worshipers may suffice! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So no matter what they claim if they're not WORKING towards this goal then their so called faith is DEAD! James 2:18-26

Jesus' prayer his been answered that's why we now have a global family of peach loving worshipers in the new group name God now calls them: Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 65:15

TenQ:
The Christian race is not a community affair: it is your personal relationship with Christ in Love, Obedience, Faithfulness, Service and Purity that matters. Run your race as you maximus will stand ALONE before Christ in judgemnt not with your organisation
Gal 6:4
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in Himself alone and not in another
Unfortunately, you have replaced Christ with some old men in your headquarters: too bad. The scripture cannot be broken!

Continue with your self righteousness!

This idiot is seeking attention!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

truly, you most dum false jw's/false prophets are also known by your fruits of lying, paranoia, and blasphemy, saying the Holy Spirit told you things that we know to be lies, etc.

lies:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

fearful paranoia:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

blasphemy:
Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.


false jw org. false prophets, by your fruits we certainly recognise you:
"Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:15-18

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Can you quote just one verse where anyone had a PERSONAL relationship with Christ after his ascension to heaven?

Ọmọ the most educated and popular apostle was Paul, Jesus chose this man to become the apostle of the nations {Act 9:15; 1Timothy 2:7} but did he had a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus regarding teaching?
NO!
Jesus referred Paul to his COMMUNITY of believers {Act 9:6} that's why Paul relied on the OLDER men in Jerusalem for guidance and instructions on how to go about his apostolic assignment! Act 15:2; 16:3-4; Galatians 2:1

So stop deceiving yourself it's demons that's appearing to people claiming they're Jesus and demanding a PERSONAL relationship with them {2Corinthians 11:14-15} according to Jesus himself he won't have any PERSONAL relationship with anyone so it's until when they gather as a group that Jesus will come into their gathering as an unseen guest {Matthew 18:20} the only person any believer can have a PERSONAL relationship with is God that's why Jesus told us to pray PRIVATELY to God {Matthew 6:6} because we can have a PERSONAL relationship with His father but with Jesus
NO WAY!
It's only when we gather as a group that Jesus will come into our gathering if we are serious about what he commanded us in order to lead us in doing God's will as a group! Daniel 12:1

TenQ:
The Christian race is not a community affair: it is your personal relationship with Christ in Love, Obedience, Faithfulness, Service and Purity that matters. Run your race as you maximus will stand ALONE before Christ in judgemnt not with your organisation

Gal 6:4
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in Himself alone and not in another

Unfortunately, you have replaced Christ with some old men in your headquarters: too bad. The scripture cannot be broken!

Were you invited?
Most people don't know what Christianity is all about, they just feel it's any religious center where Jesus' name is been called.
Real Christians must first of all preach to you and from their appearance you must have sensed some of their dos and donts but before you're invited to their worship center they must have been TEACHING you things you ought to know.
Well for your information the true Christians don't just expect you to walk into their gathering without invitation!

Merry100:
Even though I had to follow certain doctrines when I was younger, I have come to question some of them as they cannot be proven through the Bible. I am particularly curious about where the Bible specifically forbids wearing earrings. My parents are devout Christians, and they did not even pierce my ears, let alone allow me to wear earrings. However, one day I felt like wearing an earring, so I put on a magnetic earring and went out. Later in that day, I attended a Church program a friend invited me but when I got to the Church, I was asked to remove my earring or leave.

I am not trying to shade Christianity, not all Churches treat visitors that way, I was even surprised at the way I was treated that day. I am just specifically curious about where God condemned earring in the Bible? I accept that all Churches have their own doctrines but some of these Churches still use there doctrines to rate Christians from other Churches. Is wearing earring a sin or just some Church doctrines? I can't find any verse in the Bible that condemns earring. If you know any please indicate.

TenQ:
If you will, replace Christ with your old men at your headquarters, they will save you and give you your reward in paradise.

This are words Jesus said about those old men:

“Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom" Luke 12:32
The limited number {Revelation 14:1} will rule with Christ in heaven that's why he referred to them as his brothers:
"Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me." Matthew 25:40
Jesus is no longer here visibly so his brothers are the ones faithful people must be obedient and willing to work with if they want to be saved:
“Also, I say to you: Make friends for yourselves by means of the unrighteous riches, so that when such fail, they may receive you into the everlasting dwelling places." Luke 16:9
The highlighted are Born Again Christians who are Christ's spiritual brothers whoever doesn't make friend with them now can't see God's kingdom! Zechariah 8:23
Because they're the ones feeding Jesus' sheep in this last days {Matthew 24:45} so that we are zealously and industriously doing God's will without letup!

It's obvious arrogance won't allow you to gain salvation so i will leave you with you self righteousness! Isaiah 64:6

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you prove that both jws and atheists are one and the same devils for you are the only ones who say this when christians point out that they have done an evil.

You mean those that rejected the command from Jesus to be harmless as doves shey? Matthew 10:16
I don hear you!

Dtruthspeaker:
Now I purposely patronized you to point out that devils are the only one who desperately market themselves like prostitutes and betnaija.

So Jesus must be the head of devils {Matthew 10:25} for sending his disciples to market what he taught them! Matthew 28:19-20

Dtruthspeaker:
2) Only devils condone and entertain a blasphemous bastard.

You don't even know the meaning of that word "BLASPHEMY" guy it doesn't apply to those who don't believe in the Bible but those who claims they believe yet speak against it.
For your information an atheist condemning the Bible is speaking his own mind against what he feels is unwarranted unlike you who is claiming believer in Christ yet kicking against the order from Christ. So in this case you are the blasphemer not unbelieving atheists!

johnw47:
yes by your fruits we recognise you:

Ọ̀DẸ̀!
If it's by prophecies then all your religions are FAKE because all of them have prophesied one way or another and it has failed.
So mumu its not about their prophecies but their fruits that is what their members in the community are known for.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are actively preaching and teaching just like Jesus and his first century followers that's why they were called "CHRISTIANS" because they were going about doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20

Janosky:
Hebrews 1:1-2 & Acts 2:22-23,26 is truth in your Bible. Acts 2:22-23,26, Peter the apostle says Jesus Christ is a prophet ,Oga do you love this truth?
Jesus Christ is a Minister & spirit his Father sent from heaven to minister, according to Jesus @ John 7:16 & Matthew 20:28 & Paul the apostle @ Hebrews 1:14.
A minister is a messenger, angel.
Use the screenshot PROVEN evidences "aggelos" to cure your DELUSION.
Oga RECEIVE SENSE.
Yes, Jesus the Lamb of God..
Jesus is also a prophet,Acts 3:22-23.
Jesus is also an apostle.
Oga, you are insulting yourself.
Your four fingers are pointing back at you.

My brother they're terrified because they all know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing God's will so they're looking for ways to accuse God's people!

If they know the true identify of Jesus and they are sure he is not the archangel Michael who is leading God's people {Daniel 12:1-3} hen let them go and do God's will nah, all eyes are watching!

The prospect God has for mankind is Paradise on Earth {Psalm 37:9-11, 29} so faithful people are going to form one big and happy family of peach loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and Jesus is the wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} through whose teaching this will become a reality! Mark 10:28-30

Hen let them prove their FAITH by WORKS {James 2:18-26} that they know Jesus better than Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only organization of imperfect humans working towards God's plan.

At least all of them are claiming Christians and born again while Jehovah's Witnesses separated ourselves from them {Revelation 18:4} none of them can say his or her families in the faith aren't participating in the ongoing killings in Russia and Ukraine {Revelation 6:3-4} but we can boldly, confidently and boastfully say before anyone that not a single disciple of Christ Jesus is raising weapons against people in Russia and Ukraine {Matthew 26:52} because Jesus has commanded {Matthew 28:20} and his brothers (Born Again Christians) have taught us how to love our enemies even though they hate us {Matthew 5:43-48} how to love our neighbors as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and why we must be prepared to die for our fellow believers if the need arises just as Jesus did for us! John 13:34-35

So if they can't prove any of these it simply means they've been silenced as none of the missiles Satan gave them can harm our faith in Christ Jesus {Isaiah 54:17} it's needless arguing with them {Titus 3:9} it's obvious today those worshipping the true God of LOVE {1John 4:7-8} and those lying to their own souls! Malachi 3:18

Joychinonyerem:
The relationship we share as a church body is critical in promoting a sense of belonging, unity, and growth among believers

I completely agree with the highlighted because Jesus said about his disciples:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me" John 17:20-23

Please are there members of Christ's church in Russia and Ukraine?
If so are they also part of those killing one another? John 15:19

delkuf:
guy park well. Which one be preaching or teaching. E dey una booklet, so una believe say angel Michael na the Lord Jesus Christ. So you guys agent of the devil

So where in the Bible did Jesus say it's by beliefs that you can identify agents of the devil?

Ọmọ beliefs are based on teachings and there are lots and lots of contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in Christendom.
Just two out of all the sects claiming Christians don't have the same doctrine that's why Jesus never emphasized on doctrines when talking about how to identify agents of darkness.

This is what Jesus said:

"Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:15-18

So Mr park well, Jesus didn't say it's by teachings but by their fruits, only Jehovah's Witnesses are producing the fruit which is what Jesus and his disciples were known doing in the first century: preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighborhood! Act 11:26

If you want to talk about TEACHINGS find just two sects teaching exactly the same thing then explain why they're pitching tents separately!

TenQ:
Boo hoo!
1. And I can see you as a former Muslim unfortunately not even making the slightest attempt to lead Muslims to Jesus. If you have, let's see just one thread from you Hypocrite!
https://www.nairaland.com/7530442/gospel-explained-muslims
2. I am sure you don't know that:
Preaching to unbelievers is best done with a combination of practical Christian livestyle and explaining the gospel of salvation on One-on-One and Face to Face bases.
3. You have no idea of what goes on behind the scenes of Nairaland especially with Christians who have questions or need help and encouragement in passing through though times.
4. Of course, you don't have an idea of what goes on in my personal life in making of Disciples for Christ Jesus alone.
Continue your self delusion!
Oh, I forgot!
For you, it's not about Christ Jesus, it's all about making gullible proselytes of the old men in your headquarters.
It is painful to you that I can't submit to them when my Lord and Saviour is Christ Jesus! Sorry!!
A true Disciple of Christ lives like Christ in Love, Purity, Obedience and Service to Him and not to men.
For your information, my objective for most of my threads involving Muslims is
1. Education of Christians and Muslims
2. Exposure of Falsehood in Islam
3. Forcing Muslims to ASK necessary Questions about Islamic doctrines
4. Correction of errors of Islamic teachings about Christ Jesus, Christians and Salvation
Just as you Maximus have swallowed JW doctrines line hook and sinker without THINKING, Muslims have swallowed the doctrines of Mohammed line hook and sinker without THINKING . There is no difference.

I asked you a simple question:

What is the will (prospect) God has in plan for mankind?

All what you can say is self claims but i have explained what God's will means in that post.

Christianity is all about doing God's will and nothing more that's why Jesus emphasized on doing the will of God! Matthew 7:21

There's nothing wrong with Islam if i'm to place you on the same scale with Muslims each of them believe in the indoctrination of those who taught them just like you the only difference is your own teachers LIED that God's Holy Spirit is teaching them so you too are making the same claim.

You're just a self righteous religionist that's all. Isaiah 64:6

The assignment Jesus gave his disciples is to participate in doing God's will which is to form one big and happy family of peach loving worshipers globally. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's what Jesus promised Peter and the others when they asked him:
“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27
The reason they asked this question is because his teachings has broken families {Matthew 10:34-36} and almost all his disciples have been stigmatized in the first Jewish community for following him {John 9:22} so they need to know what will be there for them!
Jesus told them that they will surely have everlasting life but first the sign that will assure them they're on track is that through the assignment he gave them they will gain multiple folds of whatever they've lost for being his disciples! Mark 10:30
This is practical because through preaching and teaching all those accepting the faith will have the same line of thought with them {John 17:22} so they will become like one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} hence everyone will know that they're truly disciples of Jesus of Nazareth! John 13:34-35

Today i have families in the faith both in Russia and Ukraine yes people are killing people and members of so many religions are involved in this killings but i can confidently, boastfully and proudly say before anyone that members of the house of faith in Christ Jesus aren't involved in this worldly affairs! John 15:19

WHY?

Because Jesus our Master, Lord and King has commanded and we have been taught by those taking the lead among us {Matthew 28:20} that we must love our enemies even though they hate us {Matthew 5:43-48} love our neighbors as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and be prepared to die for our fellow believers if the need arises! John 13:34-35

Can you also claim the same thing?
NO! Because you can't predict what those you call your brethren both in Russia and Ukraine can do in the face of politics!

Well that's what it means to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ who is doing God's will!

TenQ:
I am scared of any self appointed people standing as vicar or replacement of Jesus Christ in my life. May I never substitute the place of Christ for any man or any organisation.
Please, I am not stopping you o , you may do as you wish with men as with Christ!
In Christ alone I stand!

It's obvious you're for Christ as you're always here talking about one religion that has nothing to do with Jesus when you're supposed to be preaching about God's kingdom!

The will of God for mankind!


God created humans in His image and blessed them! Genesis 1:26-28
They're supposed to enjoy life on this planet with all the goodies prepared for them.
After the rebellion in the garden of Eden God allowed them to prove themselves if they can actually succeed in living happily without His guidance. God actually planned to allow for thousands of years so mankind can try all the system of government they could think of.
The first human dominator known as Nimrod wanted to keep all of them in a geographical location in contrast to what God planned for mankind to spread to all the earth. God confused their language and they spread to all the corners of the planet.

God's will is for the entire human race to become one global happy family {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's the purpose of calling Abraham and promising that through him a child will be born who will unite all obedient mankind globally.

No imperfect human can do that so Jesus will first break the curse that distance our Creator from us, that's what he did with the ultimate sacrifice he offered after that God poured out His Holy Spirit on all those that are ready to accept Jesus' counsel these people no matter where they come from have become God's children through that covenant! John 1:11-12

Through Jesus' wise counsel the will of God will be done but his disciples must teach people of all the nations what Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:18-20} as this teachings goes round the global family will be possible that's why Satan quickly began attacking Jesus' disciples in the first century but God's Holy Spirit has already began working so Satan's attack can't stop the movement {Matthew 16:18} that's why Satan changed to plan B: initiate his agents right in their midst {1John 2:18 compare to Matthew 13:25} this is the reason why many religions are coming up in the name of Jesus (including Islam)

But none of them can meet up with God's will because the spirit of God only work with those relying on Jesus' counsel! Matthew 7:16-18

So the will of God is what Jesus commanded his disciples to continue doing till the end of time {Matthew 28:20} no matter how nice, kind or friendly anyone can be if he's not connected to Jesus' disciples he can't do God's will because it's a movement of God's people from Egypt (world empire of false religions) to the promised land (Paradise on Earth)

That's the will of God!

TenQ:
Since to you obedience to Christ Jesus in Love, Purity and Service to Him is unimportant, you can as well Love, Obey and Serve your self appointed old men at your headquarters.

What do you have to teach,?
NOTHING but to be a companion of yours in serving your old men and their organisation.

Sorry, count me out!
Jesus is ENOUGH for me as my life is sworn and totally given to Him alone in Love, Purity, Obedience and Service to Him.

Any system that replaces Christ is the AntiChrist!

At least you have this as testimony that it's all about what Jesus Christ taught.
It's obvious you're scared of knowing the truth that will expose your ignorance that's why you keep proving arrogant to irritate me.

Maximus692:
I want to assure you that no matter the religion on this planet no single member can do God's will except only Jesus' disciples that's why the scriptures said all the inhabitants of this planet will perish except those believing in Jesus of Nazareth! John 3:16

TenQ:
I have told you what God's will is. Till tomorrow, you've not said what was wrong with the answers I gave you. And I asked you the same question which of course you and you Said: "I don't claim anything .." If you can't claim ANYTHING how then can I come to YOU to learn.

Please i don't want to upset you further, claims totally differs from doing God's will, i already gave you expo from Jesus' comments but it's like you're not feeling comfortable with the whole thing that's why i stepped back to allow you.
My question is do you truly truly sincerely want to know what God's will is?
I won't just make claims but you and i will find out the answer from God's word as we both dig deeper into the scriptures.
I want to assure you that no matter the religion on this planet no single member can do God's will except only Jesus' disciples that's why the scriptures said all the inhabitants of this planet will perish except those believing in Jesus of Nazareth! John 3:16
Do you want us to do this together?
It's not what i can do alone but both of us will have to find out the answer as a pair of Bible scholars so don't think i'm here to rubbish you, NO i love to be your friend because i can see the zeal in you except a trait that's not fine but that we will keep aside for now!

TenQ:
You haven't displayed any iota of knowledge for me to subscribe to you as Rabbi.

What if I told you to come and learn from me, what would be your response?
Wouldn't you ask if there is ANYTHING you don't know that I have as knowledge?

It's the more reason you cannot answer my questions.



Have you shown yourself not to be a false teacher

2Pet 2:1:
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction."

Just like Muslims, you want me to accept you and your doctrines without asking questions.

Does this make sense?

Jesus said:

‭‭“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

At a point in his lifetime he prayed saying:


“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:42‬

Seems Jesus is ever ready to bury his own will so that his father's will takes place.

So all i asked you is "What is God's will?"

But if you feel you've known what i have in mind it's OK let's leave it at that!

It's OK since you haven't seen any reason to learn from me please don't be upset continue with what you're doing!

TenQ:
In other words you are exactly like the Muslims
Why reject my claims of what Jesus said to me as one of His followers?
You should be humble enough to learn from the Muslims, so that you can be as brainwashed as they are in kissing the black stone and bowing to the cube at Mecca!
Just be humble enough and you'll see that you'll become the best Muslim around you: you might even convert your wife to Islam.
If you were humble enough, you would have listened to Joseph Smith's doctrine and learn from Him.
I am sure you don't even know why you are not being humble enough to learn about OOO and the Brotherhood of the cross and Star.
I challenge you to your Face:
State the Will of God I have misquoted or missed here in this post if you are NOT a LIAR!
Your only problem with me is that I am NOT following your JW leadership.
Unfortunately for you,
I follow no man not group: Jesus is my Guide, my Saviour and Lead!
I am not surprised you cannot answer these Questions
Mr Maximus, I ask you exactly this same questions
1. What is the EVIDENCE that you are not one of the workers of Iniquity?
2. What is the will of God that really matters
3. What makes you different from a Muslim?
Let me see if it's all about Jesus or about a cult of a group!

Shantyken:
It should be a two way thing irrespective of religion because to me i think on the last day be ye Christians, Muslims, Jewish etc if u are not doing the will of God we all will be judge accordingly.

There is no way anyone can do God's will except he or she becomes one of the disciples of Christ! John 14:6

That's why it's very very important to know the will of God!

It makes no sense!
The best place to get a future partner is within members of your own faith!

Thanks for your time, it's a pleasure chatting with you. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and our teachings is the ultimate in our hearts as no other teachings succeeded in achieving the will of God as recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

"In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore"

That's what God wants for mankind and Jesus is the only counselor {Isaiah 9:6} through whose teachings mankind can meet up with this task.

So if anyone claims he knows God but failed to be part of those preaching zealously and industriously teaching in his neighbourhood to achieve this then we believe that all his claims and beliefs are trash! Matthew 7:21-23

So once again thanks for your time.
May you have PEACE!

ErnestNc:
I haven't decided anything sir but I just chose not to engage in baseless arguments which setttles nothing. My original post is my unwavering opinion. I strongly detest false doctrines and the spirit of God bears witness within me when I hear something false even with individuals outside the sphere of religion.
The only thing I have against JWs is their multiple false doctrines and one is their unconscious effort to debase the person of Jesus by relegating him to being just an ordinary being or an angel when it was made clear through John's testimony in the scriptures, that all things were made by him (John1) and his preincarnate form was the WORD in the beginning and not an angelic being. Secondly, y'all deny the power of God and the grace of God which is the spirit of God indwelling in a man. You deny that the Holy spirit can speak to us and guide us , instead you call it spiritism and the voice of Satan. You deny anything that has to do with the holy spirit. You alienate yourselves from the kingdom(influence) of God , saying that you can't be born again because you're not worthy of God's sacrifice. Meanwhile Jesus said he that is thirsty should come and he will give him life (the spirit of God). I will never engage anyone of you JW's in baseless arguments because it's not worth it. Just as Muslims believe in Mohammed, you disbelieve in the Spirit of God and say it's the right way of life. Hence, I cannot disillusion you, neither will I persuade you. If you still think Jesus's preincarnate form is not the WORD OF GOD but angel Michael, I shake my head in pity and agony for you because your redemption O' SON OF MAN, IS FAR!