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At least the God who spoke with Abraham isn't omnipresent so if anyone has a contrary opinion let him go and worship with whoever agree with him!

Dangig:
Oh Yes. That's exactly how you are judging from your comment history. Can you explain why you have chosen to disobey your Cult's order?

Oteneaaron/ Courz/ Dangig you've been exposed!

From November 22 90% of your posts is about JWs.

Ọmọ go and listen to the results of politics at least that's more important to you than God's organization!

Dangig:
Seriously Anticipating the results.

Dangig:
You JWs are more like the Pharisees. So your 1st verse is out. Same with your 2nd verse. You haven't answered the question.

Are you allowed to research your religion from outside sources? Are you allowed to hear, read or talk about negative reports about your religion? Yes or No?

Gbam!
You have been nailed!
Oteneaaron's new account in addition to Courz now you've been exposed with this account.

Try another method!

Dangig:
No. You don't pick interest in who is interested in your Cult. From your comments, you deliberately love to be in the company of people you are trained to despise. You are not following the orders of your Cult. That's why you are obsessed with all his threads. There are many things you have unknowingly learnt from his threads. Hence, the obsession.

Your PERSONAL opinion shey?

Dangig:
But you JWs are more like the Pharisees. So your 1st verse is out. Same with your 2nd verse. You haven't answered the question.

Are you allowed to research your religion from outside sources? Are you allowed to hear, read or talk about negative reports about your religion? Yes or No?

Now you're displaying lack of understanding!

Between the Pharisees whose Rabbis welcome ideas from other sources to form opinion and Jesus' disciples who stick to the same line of thought which does JWs reflect?

Maximus692:
“Keep your eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" Matthew 16:6

Then they grasped that he said to watch out, not for the leaven of bread, but for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees! Matthew 16:12

Dangig:
That means you are very weak minded. This dude is a very big threat to your Faith. That's unfortunate. He created these threads yet you still found yourself there. Why? I thought you are supposed to stay away from his kind. That means you enjoy these threads he created.

I pick interest in anyone that is interested in jw.org to know what exactly interests them that's why i am showing you what this guy has in mind perhaps he believe the same god you believe!

Dangig:
Good. Your Response means No. You are not allowed to associate with Ex members even if they are still believers in God and Jesus. This is Sign of a Cult Number 4.
Are you allowed to research your religion from outside sources? Are you allowed to hear, read or talk about negative reports about your religion? Yes or No?

“Keep your eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" Matthew 16:6

Then they grasped that he said to watch out, not for the leaven of bread, but for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees! Matthew 16:12

Dangig:
Why do you and your fellow JW keep calling this guy's name? Is he a threat to your Faith? He must be a very important person to you.

https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse
https://www.nairaland.com/7492800/kind-god-worship-determines-level
https://www.nairaland.com/7464041/pagan-christ-book-review
https://www.nairaland.com/7408198/man-thinketh-book-review
https://www.nairaland.com/7373591/how-realized-religion-powerful
https://www.nairaland.com/2871008/created-god
https://www.nairaland.com/2936246/christianity-moral
https://www.nairaland.com/2813543/sin-necessary-evil

These are the threads of your friend and 60 out of 80 threads he has put up so far is about JWs so if he's your friend it's good you worship with him!

Dangig:
Are you allowed to speak or associate with Ex members of your religion or with JWs who choose to leave? Yes or No.

"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2John 10-11

Dangig:
Your response shows Yes. The God described by the Psalmist is not the god you worship. Thank you for your responses. I have learnt a lot from these conversations. You have helped to confirm my suspicions about JWs. Your beliefs are so different from Christianity because you do not worship Almighty God in the heavens.

Great!

So go and worship with worshipers of your God like oteneaaron!

Lukuluku69:
So, Jehovah failed for a Thousand years?
"Sit thou at my right hand.......
if that refers to your Jesus, it has been over Two Thousands years since e don dey Siddon oo

Thanks for this question!

Jesus sat beside Jehovah immediately he got back to heaven {Act 2:34-36} until 1914 when he began taking action against God's enemies in heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} that's why the earth has been experiencing a lot since that year. Jesus will soon bring his government to the earth but before then he used God's Holy Spirit to restructure his disciples on earth so that they can start gathering faithful people throughout the earth, this began in the year 1919 and by the year 2019 it makes a hundred years of gathering faithful people, so far so good millions across the globe have become members of a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} under the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ! Isaiah 9:6

So my friend Jesus' 1,000 years reign hasn't begin it's when he started ruling over the earth that the counting will begin, by then he will order his angels to exterminate all opposers of his rule! Luke 19:27

May you have PEACE!

Dangig:
Now since you disagree with the Psalmist, that means his description does not fit the description of your own god. Therefore, the All powerful Almighty God the Psalmist worships is not the same god you worship. Yes or No?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Dangig:
Has Watchtower ever disclosed how they became Billionaires? Did they ever inform you JWs about them being involved in Real Estate Businesses? Did they tell you about their investments? Yes or No?

Ọmọ our organization is rich because our God owns the heavens, the earth and everything in it so riches and glory belongs to our God JEHOVAH!

Dangig:
Thank you for confirming that You cannot leave JW without facing serious consequences. This is sign of a Cult Number One.
Next question, Are you allowed as a JW to question, correct or criticise your Watchtower leaders when they are obviously wrong about anything? Yes or No?

@ Jesus said whoever shrinks back is unworthy of God's organization {Luke 9:62} so no member of God's family should have dealings with such foolish ones! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11
@ Jesus said whatever those taking the lead in God's organization binds the heavens has bound it and whatever they loosen the heavens has loosened it {Matthew 16:19} so whoever feels like he's smarter than them will receive judgment like Ananias and Saphiras even though they were wrong on what they decided upon.
Jesus has warned his disciples that poverty can not be eradicated among them until God's Kingdom comes {John 12:8} yet the apostles committed a blunder trying to eradicate poverty in their midst {Act 4:34-37} but when Ananias and Saphiras tried to play smarter than the apostles God's Holy Spirit killed them despite the fact that the arrangement wasn't right from the standpoint of the founder of Christianity! Act 5:1-11

So whoever want to question the authority Christ gave those leading God's organization is doing so at the expense of his own soul! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Your insistence on a YES or NO response is none of my business as long as interested ones are following honest hearted and sincere individuals will learn from our discussion.
So continue asking and the answers will be supplied whether it pleases you or not!

Dangig:
There is no need for all these long story. Your response shows you disagree with the Psalmist about his description of God. Good.

Now since you disagree with him, that means his description does not fit the description of your own god. Therefore, the All powerful Almighty God the Psalmist worships is not the same god you worship. Yes or No?

My response is for people who want to learn and know why a righteous God doesn't come to the rescue of innocent victims of tyrants so keep your faith for those that will need it!

True Christians don't focus much on material things as personal gain for their faith because it's useless from the standpoint of the founder of Christianity! Matthew 6:19-21

So according to Jesus Christ all the prayers of Christians has already been answered because they're asking according to God's will! Matthew 6:6; 1John 5:14 compare to Proverbs 15:29

Those religious leaders and their followers are not Christians but materialists so their prayers has nothing to do with God!

The one and only King God intended to install for a thousand years is Jesus Christ.
So from Genesis to Revelation all the messages in the Bible is pointing to one thing: God's government under a perfect ruler CHRIST!

That's what King David who happens to be the man after God's heart prophesied about: the coming anointed King (CHRIST)
David said:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

Any human King that God has a dealing with is just to foreshadow what God's anointed King will achieve globally when he is installed as the anointed (Christ) to rule over mankind for a thousand years then later subjects himself to his father and God! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So after the Christ has been introduced by the first century Jewish disciples of Jesus whoever comes into politics is working directly for Satan whose plan has nothing to do with God's Kingdom! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

May you have PEACE!

Kalatium:
Karl Marx described religion as the opium of the masses because he viewed it as a tool used by the ruling class to placate and control the working class. He argued that religion offered false hope to the working class, distracting them from their struggles and providing them with a false sense of security.
Marx believed that religion was used by the ruling class to keep the working class docile and obedient, preventing them from rising up against their oppressors. What do you think?

I think Karl Marx is just an intelligent person but unwise.

INTELLIGENT beings only see things from the surface but only WISE ones see the deepest of all secrets.
Politics is the one and only problem of mankind as man always think of dominating his neighbour to their detriment {Ecclesiastes 8:9} yet after gaining dominance over the less privileged it becomes somehow impossible for the dominated to get help since power to free them is in the hands of their dominators! Ecclesiastes 4:1

What is the origin of politics?
The first human couple were given a directive by the Creator to do whatever they like except setting up standards regarding RIGHT or WRONG for their fellow humans {Genesis 2:17} sadly they rebelled against God because they wanted to become rulers (Gods) over all those that will be born on this planet.
That is the birth of POLITICS!

After the death of Adam and Eve their children began multiplying on the earth and since the first human couple has rebelled against God He (God) need to allow them be not telling them how to cohabit after all that's what their parents wanted. But faithful humans like Abel, Enoch and many others continue to suffice showing that mankind need God's guidance while the vast majority choose to become leaders using their own discretion, that's why Nimrod a very skilled hunter made himself the first King over all the inhabitants of the earth at that time. What tool did Nimrod use to gain dominance? The Bible said he was a skilled hunter in opposition to God {Genesis 10:9} this means instead of God to set standards Nimrod forced people to become his subjects with the weapons he used for hunting!

He commanded the people to move to a plain surface of the earth and build a great city so that all the people may be under his kingdom! Genesis 11:1-3
But if they should succeed then God's plan for humans to scattered throughout the earth and live in all it's parts will be shattered! Genesis 1:28 compare to Genesis 11:4
That's why God confused their language so each person moved away from subjection to Nimrod since they don't understand his language and only those speaking the same language moves toward the same direction! Genesis 11:9

Ever since then people like Nimrod has been using different means to dominate their fellowman making themselves ruler over others. Means like: WEAPONS, ELOQUENCE, BEAUTY, FAME, MONEY and so on has been the tools used to canvas the majority into supporting their ambitions.

So by the time RELIGION as another means to strengthen political ambitions was introduced by a King called Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon many politicians started adding religion to their initiatives. Nebuchadnezzar built an image and commanded all those under his kingdom to take a bow before this image after the sound of different musical instruments are played (National Anthem) all politicians from that time began using this tool to strengthen their kingdom afterwards.

Remember that Nebuchadnezzar wasn't a faithful man all he wanted was to strengthen his kingdom through this means so politicians till today aren't faithful in any way all they care for is to make their subjects commit themselves by reciting phrases of oath to remain faithful to the course chosen by those ruling over them. You can recite the National Anthem of any nation and see if it's about love for neighbours or to remain obedient to those in power.

So Karl Marx would have been right but today China no longer use religion as over their own people because they've found out that it's becoming obsolete. The last presidential election held in Nigeria (the world's most populated black nation) has shown that religion is no longer working for the benefits of politicians as Nigerians defy religion and ethnicity to vote for the man of their choice!

May you have PEACE!

Dangig:
Your response shows you disagree with the Psalmist in his description of God. Therefore, you disagree with the Bible itself. Good. I am understanding you JWs better now. Let's move on. Since you disagree with the Psalmist, that means Almighty God with awesome power as described in these verses is Not the god you JWs worship since his description of him does not match the description of your god. Therefore, the Psalmist's God is not your god.
Yes or No?

The God who spoke to Abraham said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

From this statement above it's clear the God of Abraham is not omnipresent otherwise He need not go down to verify whether the report brought to Him is true or false!

The Psalmist you're quoting is talking about God's ability to protect His loyal ones and their descendants.

Abraham asked God if Sodom and Gomorrah will still be destroyed if 50 faithful people are found there and God responded saying in behalf of 50 faithful people Sodom and Gomorrah will be spared. Abraham continue negotiating until God confirmed that in behalf of 10 faithful people Sodom and Gomorrah will be spared, but on getting there only three were found: Lot and his two daughters.

But why is it that God didn't know about Lot and his two daughters before getting there?

Apostle Paul admonished faithful servants of God:

"Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." Hebrews 13:2

Lot wasn't part of God's plan so God's undivided attention was on Abraham but due to his hospitality Lot was the only man who showed hospitality to the strange looking men that visited Sodom and Gomorrah! Genesis 19:1-3

That was what saved Lot otherwise those angels never gave God any report that someone faithful lives in Sodom and Gomorrah it was supposed to be devoted to destruction.

So my friend the God who spoke with Abraham is not omnipresent it's His angels who are roving throughout the earth that do get reports of what humans are doing then report back to Him! 2Chronicles 16:9 compare to Ezekiel 10:12

God's eyes are too pure to see the evil wicked men do to themselves and their innocent neighbours {Habakkuk 1:13} all such activities do sadden God's heart {Genesis 6:6} but He is a happy person who wants others to be happy too! 1Timothy 1:11

That's the secret why the Almighty God chose not to be omnipresent!

Dangig:
You using Leaving school and Leaving your home as arguments for this topic? This is pathetic. You really don't know what to say. When people leave school, do they loose their families and friends? Do they shun them? When you leave your home, do you lose families and Friends? Do they shun you? Your IQ is very poor. This is serious! Try to think about what you want to type before typing. How old are you?
Thank you for confirming that You cannot leave JW without serious consequences. This is sign of a Cult Number Two.

According to Jesus, apostle Paul and apostle John whoever shrinks back from the group is no longer worthy to associate with so condemn Jesus, Paul and John they're the ones we are following not your opinion!
Luke 9:62; Romans 16:17; Hebrews 10:38; 2John 10-11

Dangig:
Has Watchtower ever disclosed how they became Billionaires? Did they ever inform you JWs about them being involved in Real Estate Businesses? Did they tell you about their investments? Yes or No?

So who do you think owns all the millions of dollars gained from whatever God's people have?
Do you know that throughout the world only JWs distributes Bibles (deluxe) and everything else to all their members free of charge?
Well our God is the richest that's why none among his worshipers lacks the tools needed for our salvation like Bibles the spiritual sword Jesus ordered all if us to get at all cost! Luke 22:36 compare to Psalms 23:1; 37:25

Unlike your own pastors that are using your contributions to buy private jets and properties no member of God's organization can use any of what is owned for private use.

Recently a member of the Governing Body was stepped down all your friends were rejoicing but do you think if the assets of God's organization is for their personal use he won't go to court for his own share?

Ọmọ open your eyes you're mingling with mockers who has no faith in whatever has to do with God's word. Oteneaaron your friend doesn't believe (trust) in God's word!

Janosky:
John W Desperate attention seeker typing GIBBERISH

Dangig surely has a lot to dream about us so it's pointless arguing with a faithless miscreant like him, when the Pharisees were going about attacking Jesus Christ and his disciples the only issue they had with Jesus is doctrinal. But then Jesus has a group of simple men trained by him to preach and teach in all their neighbourhood.
So if the guy (Dangig) feel like preaching let him go and preach to his neighbours the teach them after all oteneaaron is here with him now despite all their antagonism they're not in agreement over what they should believe just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis in the first century were all against Jesus Christ and his disciples yet all those antagonists never agreed on doctrines!

Dangig:
Your answer is Yes. You disagree. So, you disagree with the word of God about himself? That's unfortunate. You are Truly a Baby Christian. You said it yourself. God's eyes are everywhere. Right? If God sees all, then He must be everywhere to see all and to know all, Yes or No?

You're quoting a human i quoted God Himself and according to God's word He is not omnipresent!

Dangig:
You disagree with the Bible verses below? Yes or No.

Do you disagree with what God said with His own mouth at Genesis 18:20-21 Yes or No?

Dangig:
You are afraid. The Bible verses have proven you wrong. You keep sticking to Genesis but have ignored these verses below. That means you disagree with these Bible verses. Yes or No?

So David who is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through whom Jesus is born mean God is everywhere to you shey?

Dangig:
Read again. Tell me exactly what it says about God.

This is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} if you don't believe that some are chosen to teach others {Matthew 28:20} you're free to interpret God's word to whatever you feel but as for us we know that there are gifted teachers among God's people {Ephesians 4:11} so we humbly learn from them.

The topic is about Omnipresent and Genesis 18:20-21 has solved that!

Dangig:
Warned who? You warned yourself Not me. You are the one who is a Gambler after calling Gambling a sin. So be warned! Stop being a Hypocrite. Jesus detests Hypocrites. 😀

OK now!

Dangig:
So, tell me, what do these verses say about God?

Now you're talking!

It means God's eyes which are the angels with wings full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12; 2Chronicles 16:9} are always watching over His anointed servants not everyone or everywhere!

Dangig:
Do you have the power to read minds and hearts? Will you be beside Jesus on Judgement day to judge the Faithless ones? You seem to be angry that your Hypocrisy is exposed. If the elders punish you for Gambling knowing fully well that they accept money from Gambling, what will you do?

Well i have warned you.

Your friend (OP) doesn't even believe Jesus exist at all so continue with him! Psalms 1:1

Dangig:
Have you read the Bible verses I asked you to read, Baby Christian?

God Himself told Abraham that He is not omnipresent! Genesis 18:20-21

So guy go and ask your pastor!

oteneaaron:
It is not what I think. This is a fact. Can you disfellowship a person who is not baptized? You only become a Jehovah's Witness the day you get baptized.

Ọmọ you knew nothing about God's organization, that's why i often laugh at your grievances when you're typing gibberish!

A JW is anyone having faith but he or she is known publicly from the day of baptism.
Jesus sent us to fish them out in all the religions where Satan is keeping them! Matthew 10:6

So baptism only show they are fully convinced that this is where they belong that's why they're asked:

Do you know that your baptism shows you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Dangig:
Baby Christian, Read Psalms 139 vs 1 to 12 below. Then come back and tell me what those verses say.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

You're quoting King David an anointed King chosen by God Himself to lead God's people so God's attention is 100% focused on the person sitting on the throne in Israel that's why God sent Nathan to tell David everything he did with Uriah's wife.

That totally differs from claiming God is everywhere. Guy i thought you will humble yourself but for the benefit of other followers i will explain!

After what happened in the garden of Eden God began distancing Himself from imperfect humans because the thoughts of their hearts is evil always and it saddens our happy God! Genesis 6:6 compare to 1Timothy 1:11

That's why God dispatched some angels into the atmosphere they are empowered with the ability to see what is happening throughout the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} they're the once serving as God's eyes throughout the earth {2Chronicles 16:9} they're the ones that reported what is happening in Sodom and Gomorrah to God {Genesis 18:21-23} of course if God wants to see everything He will but His eyes are too just pure to see evil things {Habakkuk 1:13} because it often saddens Him! Genesis 6:6

Those angels with wings full of eyes are only to see what happens and report back to God they must not act no matter what evil humans are doing to their fellow humans. They only rush back to report to God when they find a good person and God commands them to pen down the name of such a person! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

So God is not omnipresent not that He can't be but due to certain reasons He decided to keep off from seeing what will sadden Him just as a mother won't like seeing her child who has run mad!

Dangig:
Do you have the power to read minds and hearts? Will you be beside Jesus on Judgement day to judge the Faithless ones?

Ọmọ next time you see faithless people like the OP accusing people having strong faith be careful not to join him {Exodus 23:1-2; Psalms 1:1} i know how strong what you're reading is and the way you're feeling right now but calm down and have a rethink.
Whatever you say against JWs out of ignorance will not be charged against you in the day of judgement but be careful not to speak against a group that's performing what Jesus commanded throughout the earth because it's only God's Holy Spirit that can bring imperfect humans together and make them perform like that {Galatians 5:22-23} so after seeing their performance and you can't find a better replacement if you speak against their fine WORKS then you're no longer speaking against imperfect humans but against God's Holy Spirit that's working out what is impossible in the midst of imperfect humans.
Ọmọ that is the unforgivable sin! Matthew 12:31-32

So be warned!

Dangig:
So, your god is powerless? So, you can hide from your god?

Tell this to Abraham not me!

Dangig:
How on earth did you manage to join JW? Who studied with you?

Are you ready to learn or you're still confused as to what happened in the Bible book of Genesis 18:21-23?