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The one and only King God intended to install for a thousand years is Jesus Christ.
So from Genesis to Revelation all the messages in the Bible is pointing to one thing: God's government under a perfect ruler CHRIST!

That's what King David who happens to be the man after God's heart prophesied about: the coming anointed King (CHRIST)
David said:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

Any human King that God has a dealing with is just to foreshadow what God's anointed King will achieve globally when he is installed as the anointed (Christ) to rule over mankind for a thousand years then later subjects himself to his father and God! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So after the Christ has been introduced by the first century Jewish disciples of Jesus whoever comes into politics is working directly for Satan whose plan has nothing to do with God's Kingdom! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

May you have PEACE!

Kalatium:
Karl Marx described religion as the opium of the masses because he viewed it as a tool used by the ruling class to placate and control the working class. He argued that religion offered false hope to the working class, distracting them from their struggles and providing them with a false sense of security.
Marx believed that religion was used by the ruling class to keep the working class docile and obedient, preventing them from rising up against their oppressors. What do you think?

I think Karl Marx is just an intelligent person but unwise.

INTELLIGENT beings only see things from the surface but only WISE ones see the deepest of all secrets.
Politics is the one and only problem of mankind as man always think of dominating his neighbour to their detriment {Ecclesiastes 8:9} yet after gaining dominance over the less privileged it becomes somehow impossible for the dominated to get help since power to free them is in the hands of their dominators! Ecclesiastes 4:1

What is the origin of politics?
The first human couple were given a directive by the Creator to do whatever they like except setting up standards regarding RIGHT or WRONG for their fellow humans {Genesis 2:17} sadly they rebelled against God because they wanted to become rulers (Gods) over all those that will be born on this planet.
That is the birth of POLITICS!

After the death of Adam and Eve their children began multiplying on the earth and since the first human couple has rebelled against God He (God) need to allow them be not telling them how to cohabit after all that's what their parents wanted. But faithful humans like Abel, Enoch and many others continue to suffice showing that mankind need God's guidance while the vast majority choose to become leaders using their own discretion, that's why Nimrod a very skilled hunter made himself the first King over all the inhabitants of the earth at that time. What tool did Nimrod use to gain dominance? The Bible said he was a skilled hunter in opposition to God {Genesis 10:9} this means instead of God to set standards Nimrod forced people to become his subjects with the weapons he used for hunting!

He commanded the people to move to a plain surface of the earth and build a great city so that all the people may be under his kingdom! Genesis 11:1-3
But if they should succeed then God's plan for humans to scattered throughout the earth and live in all it's parts will be shattered! Genesis 1:28 compare to Genesis 11:4
That's why God confused their language so each person moved away from subjection to Nimrod since they don't understand his language and only those speaking the same language moves toward the same direction! Genesis 11:9

Ever since then people like Nimrod has been using different means to dominate their fellowman making themselves ruler over others. Means like: WEAPONS, ELOQUENCE, BEAUTY, FAME, MONEY and so on has been the tools used to canvas the majority into supporting their ambitions.

So by the time RELIGION as another means to strengthen political ambitions was introduced by a King called Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon many politicians started adding religion to their initiatives. Nebuchadnezzar built an image and commanded all those under his kingdom to take a bow before this image after the sound of different musical instruments are played (National Anthem) all politicians from that time began using this tool to strengthen their kingdom afterwards.

Remember that Nebuchadnezzar wasn't a faithful man all he wanted was to strengthen his kingdom through this means so politicians till today aren't faithful in any way all they care for is to make their subjects commit themselves by reciting phrases of oath to remain faithful to the course chosen by those ruling over them. You can recite the National Anthem of any nation and see if it's about love for neighbours or to remain obedient to those in power.

So Karl Marx would have been right but today China no longer use religion as over their own people because they've found out that it's becoming obsolete. The last presidential election held in Nigeria (the world's most populated black nation) has shown that religion is no longer working for the benefits of politicians as Nigerians defy religion and ethnicity to vote for the man of their choice!

May you have PEACE!

Dangig:
Your response shows you disagree with the Psalmist in his description of God. Therefore, you disagree with the Bible itself. Good. I am understanding you JWs better now. Let's move on. Since you disagree with the Psalmist, that means Almighty God with awesome power as described in these verses is Not the god you JWs worship since his description of him does not match the description of your god. Therefore, the Psalmist's God is not your god.
Yes or No?

The God who spoke to Abraham said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

From this statement above it's clear the God of Abraham is not omnipresent otherwise He need not go down to verify whether the report brought to Him is true or false!

The Psalmist you're quoting is talking about God's ability to protect His loyal ones and their descendants.

Abraham asked God if Sodom and Gomorrah will still be destroyed if 50 faithful people are found there and God responded saying in behalf of 50 faithful people Sodom and Gomorrah will be spared. Abraham continue negotiating until God confirmed that in behalf of 10 faithful people Sodom and Gomorrah will be spared, but on getting there only three were found: Lot and his two daughters.

But why is it that God didn't know about Lot and his two daughters before getting there?

Apostle Paul admonished faithful servants of God:

"Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." Hebrews 13:2

Lot wasn't part of God's plan so God's undivided attention was on Abraham but due to his hospitality Lot was the only man who showed hospitality to the strange looking men that visited Sodom and Gomorrah! Genesis 19:1-3

That was what saved Lot otherwise those angels never gave God any report that someone faithful lives in Sodom and Gomorrah it was supposed to be devoted to destruction.

So my friend the God who spoke with Abraham is not omnipresent it's His angels who are roving throughout the earth that do get reports of what humans are doing then report back to Him! 2Chronicles 16:9 compare to Ezekiel 10:12

God's eyes are too pure to see the evil wicked men do to themselves and their innocent neighbours {Habakkuk 1:13} all such activities do sadden God's heart {Genesis 6:6} but He is a happy person who wants others to be happy too! 1Timothy 1:11

That's the secret why the Almighty God chose not to be omnipresent!

Dangig:
You using Leaving school and Leaving your home as arguments for this topic? This is pathetic. You really don't know what to say. When people leave school, do they loose their families and friends? Do they shun them? When you leave your home, do you lose families and Friends? Do they shun you? Your IQ is very poor. This is serious! Try to think about what you want to type before typing. How old are you?
Thank you for confirming that You cannot leave JW without serious consequences. This is sign of a Cult Number Two.

According to Jesus, apostle Paul and apostle John whoever shrinks back from the group is no longer worthy to associate with so condemn Jesus, Paul and John they're the ones we are following not your opinion!
Luke 9:62; Romans 16:17; Hebrews 10:38; 2John 10-11

Dangig:
Has Watchtower ever disclosed how they became Billionaires? Did they ever inform you JWs about them being involved in Real Estate Businesses? Did they tell you about their investments? Yes or No?

So who do you think owns all the millions of dollars gained from whatever God's people have?
Do you know that throughout the world only JWs distributes Bibles (deluxe) and everything else to all their members free of charge?
Well our God is the richest that's why none among his worshipers lacks the tools needed for our salvation like Bibles the spiritual sword Jesus ordered all if us to get at all cost! Luke 22:36 compare to Psalms 23:1; 37:25

Unlike your own pastors that are using your contributions to buy private jets and properties no member of God's organization can use any of what is owned for private use.

Recently a member of the Governing Body was stepped down all your friends were rejoicing but do you think if the assets of God's organization is for their personal use he won't go to court for his own share?

Ọmọ open your eyes you're mingling with mockers who has no faith in whatever has to do with God's word. Oteneaaron your friend doesn't believe (trust) in God's word!

Janosky:
John W Desperate attention seeker typing GIBBERISH

Dangig surely has a lot to dream about us so it's pointless arguing with a faithless miscreant like him, when the Pharisees were going about attacking Jesus Christ and his disciples the only issue they had with Jesus is doctrinal. But then Jesus has a group of simple men trained by him to preach and teach in all their neighbourhood.
So if the guy (Dangig) feel like preaching let him go and preach to his neighbours the teach them after all oteneaaron is here with him now despite all their antagonism they're not in agreement over what they should believe just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis in the first century were all against Jesus Christ and his disciples yet all those antagonists never agreed on doctrines!

Dangig:
Your answer is Yes. You disagree. So, you disagree with the word of God about himself? That's unfortunate. You are Truly a Baby Christian. You said it yourself. God's eyes are everywhere. Right? If God sees all, then He must be everywhere to see all and to know all, Yes or No?

You're quoting a human i quoted God Himself and according to God's word He is not omnipresent!

Dangig:
You disagree with the Bible verses below? Yes or No.

Do you disagree with what God said with His own mouth at Genesis 18:20-21 Yes or No?

Dangig:
You are afraid. The Bible verses have proven you wrong. You keep sticking to Genesis but have ignored these verses below. That means you disagree with these Bible verses. Yes or No?

So David who is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through whom Jesus is born mean God is everywhere to you shey?

Dangig:
Read again. Tell me exactly what it says about God.

This is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} if you don't believe that some are chosen to teach others {Matthew 28:20} you're free to interpret God's word to whatever you feel but as for us we know that there are gifted teachers among God's people {Ephesians 4:11} so we humbly learn from them.

The topic is about Omnipresent and Genesis 18:20-21 has solved that!

Dangig:
Warned who? You warned yourself Not me. You are the one who is a Gambler after calling Gambling a sin. So be warned! Stop being a Hypocrite. Jesus detests Hypocrites. 😀

OK now!

Dangig:
So, tell me, what do these verses say about God?

Now you're talking!

It means God's eyes which are the angels with wings full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12; 2Chronicles 16:9} are always watching over His anointed servants not everyone or everywhere!

Dangig:
Do you have the power to read minds and hearts? Will you be beside Jesus on Judgement day to judge the Faithless ones? You seem to be angry that your Hypocrisy is exposed. If the elders punish you for Gambling knowing fully well that they accept money from Gambling, what will you do?

Well i have warned you.

Your friend (OP) doesn't even believe Jesus exist at all so continue with him! Psalms 1:1

Dangig:
Have you read the Bible verses I asked you to read, Baby Christian?

God Himself told Abraham that He is not omnipresent! Genesis 18:20-21

So guy go and ask your pastor!

oteneaaron:
It is not what I think. This is a fact. Can you disfellowship a person who is not baptized? You only become a Jehovah's Witness the day you get baptized.

Ọmọ you knew nothing about God's organization, that's why i often laugh at your grievances when you're typing gibberish!

A JW is anyone having faith but he or she is known publicly from the day of baptism.
Jesus sent us to fish them out in all the religions where Satan is keeping them! Matthew 10:6

So baptism only show they are fully convinced that this is where they belong that's why they're asked:

Do you know that your baptism shows you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Dangig:
Baby Christian, Read Psalms 139 vs 1 to 12 below. Then come back and tell me what those verses say.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

You're quoting King David an anointed King chosen by God Himself to lead God's people so God's attention is 100% focused on the person sitting on the throne in Israel that's why God sent Nathan to tell David everything he did with Uriah's wife.

That totally differs from claiming God is everywhere. Guy i thought you will humble yourself but for the benefit of other followers i will explain!

After what happened in the garden of Eden God began distancing Himself from imperfect humans because the thoughts of their hearts is evil always and it saddens our happy God! Genesis 6:6 compare to 1Timothy 1:11

That's why God dispatched some angels into the atmosphere they are empowered with the ability to see what is happening throughout the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} they're the once serving as God's eyes throughout the earth {2Chronicles 16:9} they're the ones that reported what is happening in Sodom and Gomorrah to God {Genesis 18:21-23} of course if God wants to see everything He will but His eyes are too just pure to see evil things {Habakkuk 1:13} because it often saddens Him! Genesis 6:6

Those angels with wings full of eyes are only to see what happens and report back to God they must not act no matter what evil humans are doing to their fellow humans. They only rush back to report to God when they find a good person and God commands them to pen down the name of such a person! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

So God is not omnipresent not that He can't be but due to certain reasons He decided to keep off from seeing what will sadden Him just as a mother won't like seeing her child who has run mad!

Dangig:
Do you have the power to read minds and hearts? Will you be beside Jesus on Judgement day to judge the Faithless ones?

Ọmọ next time you see faithless people like the OP accusing people having strong faith be careful not to join him {Exodus 23:1-2; Psalms 1:1} i know how strong what you're reading is and the way you're feeling right now but calm down and have a rethink.
Whatever you say against JWs out of ignorance will not be charged against you in the day of judgement but be careful not to speak against a group that's performing what Jesus commanded throughout the earth because it's only God's Holy Spirit that can bring imperfect humans together and make them perform like that {Galatians 5:22-23} so after seeing their performance and you can't find a better replacement if you speak against their fine WORKS then you're no longer speaking against imperfect humans but against God's Holy Spirit that's working out what is impossible in the midst of imperfect humans.
Ọmọ that is the unforgivable sin! Matthew 12:31-32

So be warned!

Dangig:
So, your god is powerless? So, you can hide from your god?

Tell this to Abraham not me!

Dangig:
How on earth did you manage to join JW? Who studied with you?

Are you ready to learn or you're still confused as to what happened in the Bible book of Genesis 18:21-23?

oteneaaron:
You only become a Jehovah's Witness when you get baptized. When did you get baptized?

OK that's what you think?
Ó mà ṣeo!

Well any faithful person throughout the earth no matter the religion he's found is already one of Jehovah's Witnesses all we need to do is FOUND them {Matthew 10:6, 11-13} so they became RECOGNIZE as one of JWs on the day of baptism but they're already JWs by faith in our God!

Dangig:
How on earth did you manage to join JW? Who studied with you? Your Bible Knowledge is very low.

How shameless you are?
Please read that verse to anyone and tell him or her that the person talking is present everywhere.
You liar!

Ọmọ the God that spoke in the Bible book of Genesis 18:20-21 is not omnipresent!

But if you want to know why feel free to ask it shall be given to you {Matthew 7:7-8} we were given freely and it's free we give! Matthew 10:8

Dangig:
At the Bolded, No wonder. The dude is like a child learning to speak for the first time. He is finding it difficult grasping the Absolute Power of God. I was wondering why the dude kept asking me to answer the question when I was actually doing just that. I don't understand why anyone would call God Almighty yet argue that his Knowledge and power is limited.

As for joining JWs, this dude made a horrible mistake. Their Bible teachings are twisted with absolutely no Sense. What he would have done is after leaving Islam, he would have joined a Bible believing Church that would Coach him on Basic Christianity. Get some basic teachings about Jesus and God. JW will take his Bible knowledge many steps backwards. JW isn't Basic Christianity. It is a Cult that is a total deviation from Christianity.

oteneaaron:
According to him, he joined the JW cult approximately 8 years ago.
In reality, he is still a baby JW.
Fun fact - he used to be a Muslim.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I started studying with JWs since 1993 but bow to their teachings 22 years later so ọmọ i gave them a dirty fight that's why none of your professors in Atheism can stand the wisdom given me!

Dangig:
I have been answering you but you lack spiritual understanding and you are a Baby in Christianity. You are Spiritually disabled. You are a terrible sight to behold. You need coaching in Basic Christianity. How did you join JW? Who studied with you? The person did a Horrible job. Did you just join Christianity newly?

Ọmọ according to God's own words found at Genesis 18:20-21 is the God speaking there omnipresent?

Dangig:
Do you have the power to read minds and hearts? Will you be a judge along with Jesus to call people Faithless? Do you know you are the Faithless one?

Faith is the assured expectations of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen! Hebrews 11:1

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and activities of my group is known globally {Matthew 5:14-16} and when it comes to the fulfilment of what God promised about His worshipers in the endtime {Isaiah 2:2-4} is found only among JWs. James 2:18-26

So if you're calling this group names but failed to present a better performing group that makes you a faithless miscreant! Isaiah 5:20

Dangig:
Is that how you are trained in the Kingdom Hall to call people who don't listen to you or disagree with you Faithless while Preaching? Do you call people Faithless when Preaching?

When you accuse an organization and criticize the group simply because they're sticking to their faith you need to be told the truth.
You found a thread on social media and started contributing without calmly asking questions to ascertain what really happened from the mouth of members of the accused group {1Thessalonians 5:21} such biased attitude doesn't deserve respect from anyone! Exodus 23:1-2

Dangig:
I see. It seems that is how they are trained in JW. To dish out insults when people disagree with them.

I just described you based on your attitude toward those sticking to the promises of God!

Dangig:
So, how did you come to this conclusion? Are you going to judge along with Jesus when he separates his sheep from the Goats? Who are you to call someone Faithless? Did we discuss anything about Covenants and Promises? And how have I shown myself to be Faithless? Can you read minds and hearts to know who is faithless? How do you know who lacks conscience or morals when you just showed a lack of morals by calling me names? Are you now God that knows Everything? Show me from the Bible on which basis you came to that conclusion.

Jesus PROMISED that his real disciples will be called "CULT" "SATANISTS" and you have just done that.
Please what other fulfilment do i need as proof to know that JWs are Jesus' real disciples and you are one of those faithless miscreants calling them names for their FAITH?

Ọmọ you're a faithless miscreant jọọ!

When you're ready to learn i will TEACH you!

oteneaaron:
Exactly how you and every other Jehovah's Witness are HYPOCRITES. You say gambling is a sin and a sign of greed, but you are receiving free money from the Norwegian Gambling Authority. Last year alone, your organization received over 4M Norwegian Krones. You call others hypocrites - have you looked into the mirror recently?

MightySparrow:
So your organization accept payment of tithes to fully obey Jesus as house to house evangelism,
or you just choose what to obey?

Isaiah and Jesus both declared "WOE" so let's talk about them!

Can you just answer the question first?

Dangig:
I can see you are really a learner in Christianity. Let me lecture you the basics of Almighty God. Let me tell you the implications of this inaccurate doctrine of yours. You say God is not all knowing. Therefore he can be ignorant. This doctrine sounds like what will come from a Demon, specifically Satan. Only demons who hate Almighty God will come up with this doctrine. You know why? Because Satan wants all the worship that God rightfully possesses. So, what does he do? He teaches his disciples doctrines that Diminish God. He makes God look Casual. Therefore, he insinuates that God really isn't all that powerful. We can't really depend on him for Knowledge. He cannot know everything. He may make mistakes in dishing out knowledge because he doesn't know everything. Which means anyone can do whatever they like with the belief that God won't know the evil that they are doing. And because God doesn't know everything, then the good people do to others will also not be recognised by God. And since God doesn't know everything, then how will the wicked be judged Accurately by Jesus and the righteous be rewarded? People who believe this doctrine will treat people anyhow they like and commit all sort of atrocities believing God won't know because like you said, He can be ignorant. That's the danger in this doctrine.

Dangig:
Oh Now you are into name calling. Wow. God's organisation representative insulting another. Just because I disagreed with you. Is this how you preach to people and curse them when they don't listen to you as you go Door to Door? Is that what you are taught in your Kingdom hall? Your Jehovah must be proud of you. Tell me, what is Faithless Miscreant? Why do you call someone who disagreed with you Faithless?

Faithless: Not observant of promises or covenants!

Miscreant: Lacking in conscience or moral principles; unscrupulous.

Ọmọ you're a faithless miscreant!

Thanks for the epistle!

Can you now answer the simple question?

Dangig:
And I am telling you that the Accurate knowledge is already in the Bible for all to see. Accurate Knowledge is when you read all verses about a Subject before forming a Doctrine. You can't pick one verse and disregard other verses. That's not how to read the Bible. The problem with your Cult is they pick one verse and form a doctrine from it. But they never bother to read other verses to see if their inference/conclusion from one verse agrees with the rest of the Bible. You must be careful with how you read the Bible. You are quoting Genesis 18 vs 20 and 21 and jumped into the Conclusion that God can be Ignorant. But you fail to realise that other Bible verses describe the totality of God's knowledge. Your Cult refused to consider these other verses that talk about God's knowledge. Therefore, whatever conclusion you arrive at from one verse is wrong since other verses are talking about something else. This means your Cult conclusion based on Genesis 18 vs 20 and 21 is wrong as long there are other verses that specifically describes God as All knowing. If God wasn't All Knowing, we wouldn't have the Books of Revelations, Daniel, Jeremiah and Ezekiel today. Unless you are trying to tell us All the contents in those books are all wrong and just imaginations. You have been provided with verses to read by others. I will not quote any for you. Go and read your Bible. You talk like you just joined Christianity newly. Who taught you?

MightySparrow:
Association of woe proclaimers.

Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good, Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20 ~ Isaiah

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things". Matthew 23:23 ~ Jesus

They're Jehovah's Witnesses please count me as one of them!