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tctrills:
Oga angels never came down from heaven to have sex. It's a fragment of a crazy person's imagination. A very sick person invented the story. And it can easily be proven false by any smart person

Well that's what God's word says. Genesis 6:1-5

So you can now argue with the Bible!

Meanwhile there's no spirit of the dead anywhere because at death man cease to exist he can't do anything in his death condition! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Aemmyjah:
HI Bro Max
You're still answering these people?
I been busy so I had to logout to avoid distraction
I missed your chats
I came to see that I've missed almost 800 of your comments

Good evening my brother, how are you coping with this country's situation presently?

Well there are secret followers who are learning so the disguised athiests claiming believers aren't just arguing blindly their target is to poison the minds of any interested person who may love to hear us out.

tctrills:
Nothing to correct sir. It's very correct already

Well they were angels (spirit beings) who came down from heaven put on materialized body to have sex with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} so God separated them from among His loyal spirit sons {2Peter 2:4} because they did not keep to their nature! Jude 6

As for humans death means nothing exist! Ecclesiastes 9:10

tctrills:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Are you satisfied now. I give it to you as it is

Yes sir the spirits of the disobedient in the time of Noah.

Please correct yourself because the two means totally different things!

tctrills:
Yes sir the spirits of the disobedient in the time of Noah.

Are you sure of the highlighted?

Please quote it for everyone to see!

tctrills:
We learnt that Jesus went to preach to them in prison. We were not told the location of the prison.As for the evil doers, read Revelations to know what happens to them.

Which spirits exactly did Jesus preached to?
Is it those who have died?

tctrills:
Oga, as usual you are into guesswork. Christ said all would resurrect so I find it hard to disbelief him and believe you.
If Solomon wanted to say that the power to restore breath is with God he would not have said that the spirit returns to God. He is much wiser than you. He is not a retard and he does not need you to correct his speech.

Well he said it's the same spirit that's in humans and beasts so does the spirit of a dog also return to God?
Meanwhile you stylishly dodge the other question. Do the spirit of those destroyed in Noah's days and Sodom also return to God?

tctrills:
God's plan is for man to become like him. Read the book of revelations. To him that overcome....

Of course God's plan is for humans to live forever as in become immortal but then it's only those doing His will as for those who choose to be wicked they will return to dust {Genesis 3:19} in the dust they have no feeling so it's the breath (spirit) God gave all creatures that's needed to revive dead persons not that a part of them will go and reside elsewhere!

sonmvayina:
The same law was given to all mankind..
The Jewish Torah is not the alpha and omega...
It is a Jewish understanding of the universal laws of God.....

So are you saying it's no longer necessary as you often talk about it in times past?

tctrills:
You are free to see his resurrection as a curse if you like but yes you are right when he died, his spirit went back to God as the word of God teaches.

Ọmọ you have made no sense at all as you just copy and paste without reasonable thought on what you're quoting.
But for the benefit of other followers of my thread i will explain all what you've mixed up.

Death is the ultimate wage for sin so when Adam and Eve died they are never coming back to life along with all those destroyed by God himself.
The breath of life in the body of all creatures is sustained by the heart so all creatures has the same breath (spirit) in them none goes to heaven {Ecclesiastes 3:19-21} when Solomon said the spirit returns to God he meant the power to restore the breath is left in the hands of God who installed it in the beginning! Genesis 2:7 compare to Ecclesiastes 12:7

The first death is the punishment Adam's sin brought upon all his descendants {Romans 5:12} so as imperfect children of Adam we will all grow old and die but that's not God's plan for mankind in the beginning we were supposed to live forever on this planet as youths! Psalms 37:29

The second death means the direct judgment from God so those that God directly destroyed them goes directly to this condition of no come back because God is the one who killed them by Himself as they've proved to be useless to His plans so since He is the one keeping account of those He wants to see again those He destroyed by Himself won't suffice in His memory book! Revelations 20:15

After Armageddon Jesus will rule the earth for a thousand years and only JWs will be around to continue practicing what they've been doing before Armageddon but this time around there will be no distractions as Satan, demons and all their human agents has been taken out of the way before the resurrection of all those whose names are in God's memory book.

They will all be taught what JWs are teaching today so whoever refuse to accept it despite not seeing any other religion causing distraction will be allowed to live for a hundred years and he will die again as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} at that time his/her blood will be upon his/her head because he/she has refused to accept what Jesus (the one whose sacrificial death opened the way for him to be resurrected back to life) taught JWs to teach him.

After the 1000 years all those on planet earth would have become perfect creatures then Satan will be released again for the final test that's when whatever anyone does will be his or her judgment because as perfect creatures there is no excuse for sin in Paradise! Revelations 20:11-13

After Jesus' 1,000 year reign God will destroy both death and grave so if anyone dies at that time they will not be buried because graves are for remembrance and God doesn't want us to build tombs for them! Revelations 20:14

So after Satan has used his deceptive tactics many will still fall for his tricks that's when God will send down fire from heaven to consume both Satan and all those deceived by him. They will never be resurrected or remembered that's why the book of Revelation 20:15 says their names weren't written in the book of life!

tctrills:
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

So when Lazarus died his spirit was separate to heaven but Jesus forced his spirit back into the body shey?

Definitely the resurrection of Lazarus wasn't a blessing but curse because heaven is lot more better than earth.

I don't think you understand what you're quoting!

tctrills:
I thought you read. The second death was defined as being cast into fire. The first death is defined as a separation between body and spirit.
The second death is eternal punishment.

Please quote this in the Bible!

tctrills:
They are used interchangeably

So all still means Death shey?

tctrills:
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So we now have four wages which you need to explain:

Death!
Outer darkness!
Second Death!
Lake of Fire!

Which one exactly is the ultimate wage for sin?

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

tctrills:
We are saying the very same thing. They ate the fruit and they died. But God never said they would die forever. So God's words has been fulfilled even if they died for only 1 min.

So what exactly is the ultimate wage for sin?

tctrills:
God never said death is the ultimate punishment for sin. You said so. God never said death would be permanent. God told Adam and Eve that they would die, he never said they wouldn't be resurrected. Please stick to what God said.

Ọmọ this is what God told the first couple:

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:16-17

Then Satan said:
“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

So choose between the two who is telling them the truth the one who said the consequences of their actions will lead to expiration and the one who said it won't lead to their expiration!

sonmvayina:
I know know say you dull like this...
And I was putting in a high pedestal..
Sorry no vex..
I thought I was talking to a matured man, not knowing it is a teenager with borrowed data..

This is how you always end up calling everyone "DULL" at least try to convince just one person let me see one that's in harmony completely with you. I'll suggest you try oteneaaron he talked about you on the other thread that you're his fellow believer but he detests the God of Abraham, the Torah and Tanakh i don't know how you're going to resolve that with him!

tctrills:
Death can't be the ultimate punishment for sin because of Christ. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

So that disqualifies death as the ultimate punishment for sin shey?
Don't you think you're making God the LIAR if what God told the first couple about sin actually wasn't so? Genesis 2:17

tctrills:
Yes we both agree and that's why everyone would die.

So death is the ultimate punishment for sin and death simply means inactivity! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

tctrills:
You mean outer darkness right?

The wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17

Templee333:
bros,pls, learn to accept corrections so that you will be wise

Present those who are wise from your own understanding and the benefits of their wisdom! Luke 7:35

tctrills:
All have sinned so all would die. Or are you without sin?

So there is another wages for sin apart from death shey?

tctrills:
And God's words also teach that all that die would resurrect. So yes all would die but yet all would resurrect again

Then after they've been judged during Noah's days, judge during Sodom and Gomorrah then they will still be judged again which means the wages of their sin couldn't have been death nah!

Templee333:
in this context, J F RUTHERFORD was the God who named them JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

And they have gone round the world to make disciples of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit teaching them to observe all what Jesus commanded.
Well whatever you say is OK as long as this faith is working what is beneficial! James 2:18-25

tctrills:
To perish may not always mean death. Use your dictionary.

Well according to God's word in Genesis the wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17
That's what God mean whenever he use that word PERISH!

tctrills:
If I am not taught how come I keep exposing your lies. Looool

Exposing lies but failed woefully to present those practicing the truth!
No pastor taught you but you want to become a pastor over others. Really hilarious!

tctrills:
Oga a dead man can't weep, wail or ghash his teeth.

So if they're not dead then in what way do they perish? John 3:16-18

tctrills:
This is much more fun. And to answer your question, it is outer darkness. Don't forget, I teach from the bible not from a pastor.

The funny thing here is that Jesus sent people to teach people {Matthew 28:19-20} but in your case you refused to be THOUGHT yet you want to TEACH!

tctrills:
This is much more fun. And to answer your question, it is outer darkness.

OK it's outer darkness when they're alive or dead?

sonmvayina:
It's not about a group..
You don't need to be in a group to obey Gods divine commandments....

So who taught you? Where are those that's learning from the same source as you?
Meanwhile try to convince oteneaaron that he should obey the Torah!

tctrills:
Good now you are listening. He meant what he said. The wicked would be cast into outer darkness. Can it be more simple than that?

OK now that you're no longer catching fun but ready to preach/teach what your pastors taught you.
Is it casting into Hell or casting into outer darkness

sonmvayina:
Why are you so particular about this your cult ?

So a group whose activities are known publicly is a cult to you but yours who aren't even known aren't cult shey?

Ọmọ until those who are learning from your quarters come to the public to be recognized by everyone like Jehovah's Witnesses i'm not interested in whatever you think you know!

tctrills:
Do would are those who would be in outer darkness where there would be weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth. And who are those who would be thrown into a fiery furnace where there shall be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth

Sebi you said you understand Jesus oya explain what he meant there nah!