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sonmvayina:
Lol..so you want to run away instead of learning... You will never grow..

Present those who are learning from your quarters i present the global family of peace loving worshipers known as Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:8-26

tctrills:
Loool. See fear. I am enjoying your fear

OK you're enjoying it right?
That's wonderful!

tctrills:
if I do, would you finally agree you are wrong?

OK that has been your headache ever since!

No wonder you kept coming back instead going to "catch some fun" as you often say!

Well if it's about the scriptures i was never wrong because you don't know what you're quoting and you don't want to know.

Hell simply means Grave so all people whether good or evil goes there! Ecclesiastes 9:10

sonmvayina:
Continue reading down..
It is a continuous narrative...

Thanks for your time, i've told you the post wasn't meant for you so i don't want insults this afternoon!

tctrills:
All would be resurrected and the evil would be cast into hell where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth. This is what the bible teaches. Stop teaching another doctrine.

Funny atheist!

Can you quote where the Bible said "the evil will be cast into hell"

tctrills:
You are not making any sense. So you mean that only those buried in a grave would resurrect right? I asked you, who do we believe, you or Jesus Christ?

Believe whoever you like at least you agree that only those believing in Jesus will be saved while others perish shey?
I think that's enough for you!

sonmvayina:
Hahahaha...
No, your not misinformed church goer..
You are just dull..
It is talking about future king Hezekiah..
Just continue reading the chapter and see if it applied to jesus...
You just took a text out of context and ran away with it....and you say you are not miss informed...No your not, you are just dull..

His rulership will have no end shey? Isaiah 9:7

Ọmọ i can see the smartness in you!

Please who taught you this SACRED SECRET?

Because it sounds really wonderful.
Well that's why humans need a human son of God for our redemption because none of us can redeem his brother the price is too high for us to pay! Psalms 49:7-9

Thanks again for this!

FxMasterz:
God wanted many son, so he sowed a seed of one Son to receive many sons unto Himself by imparting the life of that one Son into all those who believe.

Hebrews 2:10
In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

sonmvayina:
That is the translation of his name..
Hezekiah means "mighty God"..

Funny atheist!

So he will also be called wonderful counselor, everlasting father and prince of peace in whose government peace will not end. Isaiah 9:6-7

Ọmọ shine your eyes o, this is Maximus not your usual misinformed Churchgoers o!

tctrills:
Oga, Jesus Christ did not always speak in parables. In fact, in the verse I quoted he was not speaking in parables so stop pretending.

John 5:28

"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice" NWT

In other versions it's rendered this way:

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice" Holy Bible

Jews don't bury wicked people in fact they do throw their copses into the burning furnace behind Jerusalem called "Gehenna" their belief is that since such a person didn't live a godly life he or she has nothing to be remembered for.

So when Jesus said those in the memorial tombs (in their graves) the Jews knew that he was referring to people who lived godly lives worthy to be remembered.

Job said:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands! Job 14:13-15

He was sure that he will be REMEMBERED because he lived a righteous life but as for evil people there's no reason to remember them! Psalms 9:17

Ọmọ come and let's TEACH you this gra gra won't lead you anywhere. You're just worried yet you have no reason to be if only you're humble like me. I was a Muslim when JWs came to me but after discovering they know better i humbled myself to take in accurate knowledge of truth!

sonmvayina:
Was this for me ...or somebody else?

It's not for you!

sonmvayina:
How many times have I told you that Isaiah 9:6 is reverencing Hezekiah?
You just don't want to grow up.. Peter Pan.

According to you but to me it's talking about Jesus of Nazareth àbí you believe Hezekiah is a mighty God?

tctrills:
Please advise me, do I learn from you or from the words of Christ? John 5.28

You can never ever understand Jesus because he spoke a lot in parables so if you're not ready to learn from his real disciples you will read and read and read his words until you become totally confused! Matthew 13:13, 34

Jesus said:

It will be more tolerable in the day of judgement for Sodom and Gomorrah than for some people.
Those destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah has already been judged so on judgment day they will not be called to mind but those Jesus said these words to will face worse condition than the inhabitants of Sodom which means none of them will have a chance to be alive when Christ begin ruling for 1,000 years for your information the 1,000 years of Jesus is the judgment day.
Many misinformed Churchgoers thought they will queue before a court to be judged but let me leave you with whatever you want to believe at least you agree that many will be destroyed while only those believing in Jesus will be preserved alive. That's enough for now!

tctrills:
Oga I believe the bible not you. It says all would be resurrected.

No wahala as you don't want to learn but this is my own thread so i'll open up for the benefit of those who wants to learn.

God said those who are WICKED will not be remembered so they will routine in their graves! Psalms 9:17

Where people like you get confused is Act 24:15 when Paul said there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous but instead of you people to ask what about God's word at Psalms 9:17 you just wrap it all up as what the book says so it has no meaning to you.

The RIGHTEOUS are all faithful people from the time of Abel till John the baptist and Jesus' disciples who aren't born again Christians all will be brought back to life on planet earth! Job 14:13-15

The UNRIGHTEOUS are people who lived by conscience as they had no opportunity of knowing the true God but their conscience bears witness that they're willing to live a righteous life! Romans 2:14-16

But as for deliberate evildoers they will never be called back to life! Psalms 9:17

tctrills:
John 3.16 has nothing to do with war. It had nothing to do with the Israelite wars or any of the wars you support. Again what does it mean when the scriptures says"shall not perish"? Because the scriptures make it clear that all would be resurrected.

It's because you're not ready to learn but when the scriptures say those believing will not perish what do you think of those who do not believe?

For your information not all the dead will be resurrected!

OLAADEGBU:
Go and reply to my response and stop prevaricating.

I have responded!

tctrills:
We know John 3.16 it's not the point. The point is that you guys believe in war but you only believe in killing non JW.

Do you believe John 3:16 or you're just "catching fun"?

Because that verse is clearly saying some people will be destroyed while others are preserved so if you feel JWs aren't those to be preserved as we claim no wahala!

OLAADEGBU:
In your case together with SDA I'm not sure whether your confession of Jesus will get you saved since you will be calling on the name of an arch angel who cannot save.

I told you Kumuyi has blindfolded you completely.
Now reread this post again before you respond!

MaxInDHouse:
There you go again Kumuyi pikin!

Nobody will preach Michael to you as Lord so get yourself together and learn!

Back in heaven the angel that came to the earth bears the name "Michael" he has no business with humans except angels in heaven as their commander but when he volunteered himself to come and redeem mankind from sin all the angels in heaven were amazed, how can the greatest of all the angels subject himself to such humiliation from Satan and his human agents?
Well Michael humbled himself and put on a lesser being's nature just to take up the assignment.

So he remained Jesus of Nazareth the son of Mary until the day he completed his earthly mission on the torture stake and said "it has been accomplished" {John 19:30} after his resurrection the authority both in heaven and on earth was given to Michael {Matthew 28:18} and in the name he bears among humans which is "Jesus" every knee must bow {Philippians 2:10} because he has become the saviour which means Messiah in Hebrew and Christ in Greek.

So when we say he is the same angel who bears the name Michael in heaven it's not that name we must carry when preaching, teaching and acting on what he taught because on this planet the name he answered was JESUS!

tctrills:
So the Jehovah witness actually believe in war from your summary. So all their story of love and peace only applies to their members. Hmmm. So can this be the last time you would tell me you are peace loving because you all look forward to the destruction of all your nonmembers.

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

You don't have to be scared if you're sure that you belong to the group Jesus is coming to fight on their behalf. He has given his clear orders and only those trusting in him will be preserved when he comes with his armies!

zoer:
Do JW believe that Jesus died physically but resurrected spiritually...so if so where are the remains of Christ dead body and remember we were told that his tomb was empty.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead {Revelations 1:5} his set will all be raised as immortal spirit beings to heaven so they no longer have anything to do with physical bodies {1Corinthians 15:44} all of them will be raised not in physical bodies.

The body with which Jesus dead has been taken away by the angels found at his tomb.

OLAADEGBU:
No hope in hell.

Kumuyi has deceived you because those in Hell (Grave) will be brought back to life! Job 14:13-15; Act 2:31

tctrills:
Oga, again let's summarize. You are saying that JW are allowed to kill nonmembers in war right?

Summary!

God chose a nation (Israel) as His special property {Exodus 19:5} to show what will happen in the future.
Spiritual Jews (144,000) Born Again Christians will be taken to heaven {John 14:1-4} and there they will become immortal spirit beings {Luke 20:34-35} Jesus will lead them back to planet earth to destroy all faithless people opposing pure worship! Luke 19:27

So that's what the wars recorded in the history of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES foreshadows not that humans will continue to kill fellow humans for fun Mr Fun-Catcher!

oteneaaron:
I still repeat incase you didn't hear me - I don't need to be a member of any group or religious CULT like yours to have "faith"
Another falsehood spotted.
How I am always always arguing on NL?

Ọmọ i'm here in search of our kind {Matthew 10:6} that means whenever i find someone who wants to know God i introduce myself and the message i have.
It's when i found out that you're not our kind that i take my leave since it's not about winning arguments that won't yield positive results.

oteneaaron:
Anyone can check all your post on Nairaland and compare it to mine, and they will see clearly that you live and breathe to argue on Nairaland. Everybody knows your modus operandi -
- beat around the bush,
- insult and call people names, and
- run away when you have no response.
I don't need anybody on Nairaland to agree with me on anything.
I only share information that requires people who think critically to make their own decisions.
Can you say the same thing about yourself?

The highlighted is exactly what makes you faithless {James 2:18-26} because true faith must carry others along working towards something that's REAL! Hebrews 11:1
So if you're of the opinion that each person could just develop his or her own idea and work on it then the madman in your street is OK!

oteneaaron:
You keep looking for group action.
Let me school you a little bit.
I have told you countless times that faith is relative.
I don't need to be a member of any group or religious CULT like yours to have "faith".
Even the dictionary has 3 different definitions of the word "faith"
As you also clearly defined above, "faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for.."
I still repeat, "faith" is relative and I don't need to be a member of any group or religious CULT like yours to have "faith".
You can take that information to the bank and deposit it.
You're welcome.

Your dictionary definition tried but in the absence of cooperation to work towards the same goal then your faith is DEAD.
Perhaps you don't know why you're always arguing here well it's because you want others to agree with you!

Default mode!

OLAADEGBU:
What message of hope have you got for a man dying of a stab wound and has only got 3 minutes to live?

Prove that you and Kumuyi aren't offsprings of the devil by preaching to all your members to drop weapons and embrace peace anywhere they are. Remember that as a member of Deeperlife in Nigeria if there is war between Nigeria and Ghana your member from Ghana will kill you under the disguise of soldier fighting for his country.
Where is your Jesus when that happens? Matthew 26:52
The real Jesus has erased weapons in the hearts of millions of his disciples globally that's why you can't find a single JW who is a soldier throughout the world. Isaiah 2:2-4

So whatever you say makes you a fool if your Jesus can't settle the differences between you and your fellow believers with God's word.
Paul said the Bible is inspired of God and beneficial for setting matters straight among believers but if your members still carry weapons then they're not Christians!

OLAADEGBU:
I know you are fixated on my pastor but this is not about him let's address the subject at hand and not get distracted shall we?
I wish you did say that upfront so that those poor souls you've hoodwinked into following you heretical teaching can spot your lie from a mile and run but you must deceive them into thinking that you are talking about the One and only Jesus Christ we all believe to be the Son of God.
The bolded there is another lie from the pit of hell. Who was the angel who assisted in Daniel's breakthrough in prayer if you say that he had no business with humans? Who was the angel who could not rebuke satan directly but had to say the Lord rebuke you, when resisting the devil over the body of Moses?
"every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God" (1 John 4:3). "If ye believe not that I am He," said the Lord Jesus, "ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24).
You not only deny the deity of Christ, you deny His incarnation, you deny His crucifixion on the Cross, you deny His bodily resurrection. If this stand of yours doesn't qualify you to be an antichrist I wonder what else will.
"In the beginning was the Word, . . .and the Word was God . . . . All things were made by Him; . . . And the Word was made flesh" (John 1:1,3,14).
The doctrine of incarnation teaches that God the Creator became man the creature and you need to believe that and rejoice in it otherwise you will going down a dark alleyway.

tctrills:
Oga, the children of Israel also lost soldiers in many of their wars even when God was with them. Stop saying rubbish. Please start reading your bible.

It's obvious you don't want the truth God will not support the Israelites if they don't consult Him before going to war because they must not kill their fellow believers but if you feel like killing you fellow believers that's your cup of coffee!

zoer:
I want to ask you a question concerning the 3rd answer you gave.....My question is...can you tell me or quote a verse from the bible where it was written that a person is not a Christian if he/she is not JW member.?
The early Christians just like the Jews believed in Jehovah but not belong to an assembly or organization called Jehovah witness that started hundreds of years after Christ... Don't you think the Bible called them christians because they behaved n imitate Christ and not JW member?

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was borrowed from the inhabitants of Antioch who observed the way Jesus' disciples conducted themselves publicly preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom just as Jesus the man who claimed he is CHRIST did in his lifetime! Act 11:26

God's people from Abel till John the baptist aren't followers of Christ so the group name (CHRISTIAN) doesn't go for them because a Christian must be one who practices everything Jesus taught not just someone who have faith that God exists.

For thousands of years God hid the name He had in mind for all His worshipers from Abel till today until the year 1931.
Most of God's servants including C.T Russell whom many thought is the founder of this group never knew that group name in their life time.

It was after Satan's agents have taken up the borrowed name CHRISTIANS and profaned it with killings here and there for politics that God began calling His own worshipers by another name which is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So had it been that God declared it openly for everyone even the masquerade in our village will also call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 43:10-12

tctrills:
You seem confused. You claim that God said zero wars now you say God supported wars.

Your problem is faithlessness.
Had it been you have faith in God you will know that it's only those who aren't in support of God's will that were killed in times past!

The first time i saw this post i couldn't say a word because i have no proof of what to say so i kept the faithfulness of my God to myself but recently i discovered God did something for me last year that's a favour but i never knew until now!
My niece was promoted to the position of the cashier in her place of work and this means she will have to wait a bit longer to balance the account before leaving for home. This happened precisely 7 months ago.
I didn't take it lightly with the young lady as she now comes home leaving all the house chores for her sister in-law (my wife)
So i was complaining bitterly until my wife told me it's OK after all she's been up and doing in all the house chores.
Now this is the hidden blessing that God planned ahead for me:
This young lady now is my ATM machine as she will bring home any amount i need and i will just transfer the cash to her so when others are going to banks queuing for money i have the cash brought to me as in any amount i need.
Well i went on my knees and started crying onto my God for forgiveness because i'm 100% sure He foresaw this that's why He pushed my niece to that position!

Tonytonex:
Do Jw pay your members? Cause it's like all your members are well to do.
2. Can none members marry your ladies?
3 can a christian become your member?

[1] NO and YES!
If you say "pay" in Nigeria it means two things:
1 it may be that someone is directly paid for the job he or she is doing this is the perception of people everywhere.
2 it may be that someone is always there to cover your back so that you won't be in need of anything that's necessary. Psalms 23:1
As for the first setting i will say NO but as for the second it's YES!


[2] That's impossible because when a person is baptized among JWs he or she must live by the rules which is "marry only in the faith" {1Corinthians 7:39} you may have heard of Serena Williams that she's a witness well she never became one of us until she's baptized that's why she could marry outside the organization had it been she has been baptized she can't marry a none witness because everyone will turn against such a decision!

[3] You are not even a Christian if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses so whatever you've been doing out there has nothing to do with real faith in Christ Jesus.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

What does it mean to confess Jesus as Lord?

Note that he himself said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness" Matthew 7:21-23

So yo must subject yourself to the same line of thought with others who are striving to practice what Jesus taught {Hebrews 13:7, 13 compare to John 17:22 & 1Corinthians 1:10} this means you are a humble person because you won't be paid a dime for subjecting yourself to Jesus rather you have a lot to pay as you work hard to assist your fellow believers who are in need.

Now if any human is selflessly doin all these it won't take you up to a year before people around you notice the changes in you {1Timothy 4:15} so faithless people may ask you "who taught you to start living like this?" that's the time to tell them "it's the teachings of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.?"

If they want to know further then the door to bear thorough witness about Christ Jesus has been opened so you can now establish a Bible study explaining why Jesus should be obeyed.

This is what it means to profess Jesus as Lord not just saying it without action! James 2:18-26

May you have PEACE!

OLAADEGBU:
Why do you think confessing angel Michael as Lord and King can save you?

There you go again Kumuyi pikin!

Nobody will preach Michael to you as Lord so get yourself together and learn!

Back in heaven the angel that came to the earth bears the name "Michael" he has no business with humans except angels in heaven as their commander but when he volunteered himself to come and redeem mankind from sin all the angels in heaven were amazed, how can the greatest of all the angels subject himself to such humiliation from Satan and his human agents?
Well Michael humbled himself and put on a lesser being's nature just to take up the assignment.

So he remained Jesus of Nazareth the son of Mary until the day he completed his earthly mission on the torture stake and said "it has been accomplished" {John 19:30} after his resurrection the authority both in heaven and on earth was given to Michael {Matthew 28:18} and in the name he bears among humans which is "Jesus" every knee must bow {Philippians 2:10} because he has become the saviour which means Messiah in Hebrew and Christ in Greek.

So when we say he is the same angel who bears the name Michael in heaven it's not that name we must carry when preaching, teaching and acting on what he taught because on this planet the name he answered was JESUS!