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oteneaaron:
Just like wisdom, faith is also relative.
You have no right to call another man "faithless"
But I'm sure you know this already and you're simply grasping at straws. 🤐🤐🤐

FAITH is the assured expectations of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen. Hebrews 11:1

So if you can't work together with any group of people to prove your faith then you are faithless or let's put it the way God's word puts it: your faith is DEAD! James 2:18-26

Today we hear of many people working to achieve something but if no one supports another then how will their efforts yield positive results?
So prove your faith by presenting the group of people having the same faith as you do so that everyone can examine what you have through the results of your group action.
In the absence of that ọmọ you're faithless!

tctrills:
Exactly my point. If you knew God did not leave his throne and the children of Israel had to do most of the physical fighting themselves then why did you bring that up? What is your purpose? Or are you just trying to distract us?

The purpose of war in the Bible supported by God should be noted!

God destroyed enemies of pure worship but told Israelites to be His Witnesses while He does the judging but most of those nations taught by engaging the Israelites in battle directly they can win so God told the Israelites to face them with weapons. The point here is that God wasn't supporting Israelites just for them to win battles but to protect pure worship and those involved.
Today Jesus' first century disciples have copied what he taught in a book called Bible and this book has gone round the world so it makes no sense fighting and killing anyone who believes in God because the purpose of war back then wasn't just to support one side against another to to preserve pure worship and those involved.

oteneaaron:
Lol
Such shame.
😁😁

Yeah shame on faithless people!

Ọmọ calling me names alone for my faith has exposed you as a LIAR if after all said and done you still can't present any group better than JWs with which you now worship after you left JWs then you're lying to your own soul!

Templee333:
you are the only person that always speaks truth,as for me i am a liar, carry on

tctrills:
Oga, in the war in heaven God did not do the fighting, it was Angel Michael that led the fighting

So when God said He will fight against enemies of truth you think He actually left His heavenly throne to come and fight shey?

Now you're running out of sense.

Ọmọ when Putin is fighting Ukraine he's not the one carrying the weapons but those doing so are following his orders.

A peace of advice for you:
Stop going to the politics section because that's the only reason why you won't think twice before killing your neighbour or fellow believer.
Most people nursing HBP, Hypertension and Heart attack are politically oriented people!

tctrills:
Oga does your story make sense to you. I commanded you to stop war but I still endorse war. My Jesus Christ is not a hypocrite. I am not sure about yours.

These is what the God who sent Jesus told His first chosen nation to prove that He doesn't need their efforts to destroy the enemies of pure worship:

Jehovah himself will fight for you, and you will keep silent.” Exodus 14:14

Jehovah your God will go before you and will fight for you, just as he did in Egypt before your very eyes! Deuteronomy 30:1

for Jehovah your God is marching with you to fight for you against your enemies and to save you.’ Deuteronomy 20:4

And the dread of God came upon all the kingdoms of the lands when they heard that Jehovah had fought against the enemies of Israel 2 Chronicles 20:29

So He wasn't just supporting them or approving wars rather it was to protect pure worship and those involved! 2Kings 19:35

If you now think since He supported wars back then He has no right to stop His worshipers from killing their fellow believers then you need to go and see a psychiatrist fast!

There are so many things that's hidden from the public but exposed to God Almighty.

Joseph was accused of making advances at his master's wife but who apart from the true God knows that it was the other way around?

The reason why such reports are rampant in countries where children have right to do what they want an intelligent officer like me see things beyond ordinary reports.

Here in Africa a parent can beat, threatening or even disown his child for getting closer to JWs but over there the child could sue them for not allowing him or her chose friends.

And if the case is taken to any court the child will win because JWs are nice people, peaceful, easygoing and friendly in their society.

So to cut off their children from JWs they have to come up with something that's really incriminating even scary in order to get JWs away from their children who may be interested in JWs.

The way they paint JWs over there is like sadists for not celebrating their pagan customs but then their children won't just give up seeing for themselves that these people are well meaning citizens.

That's why i'm insisting on getting to be the witness so it won't be like you say what you never saw all because you heard it!

More lies!

Templee333:
bros dont deceive urself,one was caught in our community and arrested, it was a Jw elder that bribed the police to set the rapist free.

You don't want to accept the evidence Jesus himself gave you now so there's no reason wasting time with you!

oteneaaron:
MaxInDHouse have you forgotten when you said this?
This was my reply to you -
What was your response?
I tried to talk you out of creating a new thread But you insisted by saying -
Which is what led to this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

oteneaaron:
So MaxInDHouse, how have I been disturbing you? Why don't explain this for everyone to see?

tctrills:
It does not matter if they are humans. According to JW Jesus Christ ban wars only for him to endorse a war in his kingdom under his nose. This is the most stupid fable ever told.

Funny atheist!

So when a king is installed and there are enemies that will make his reign unsuccessful he won't drive them away shey? Luke 19:27

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!

Ọmọ sonmvayina doesn't wait a second before denouncing Jesus anytime, anywhere and before anybody.
So instead of hiding behind the crowd come out openly and tell everyone you meet on this forum what you think about Jesus of Nazareth.
Them no fit flog you!

oteneaaron:
In case you have forgotten Max.

On the 20th of February 2022, I created this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary

As usual, you jumped on the thread to defend your CULT and I asked you these three questions -



That is why there is something called counter-research.

I have put it to you that it is a FACT that the life and story of Jesus in the Bible is not unique.

It is a cheap copy of the life and story of similar God-men from cultures thousands of years older than the Bible.

The best you can you do is show me proof from your extensive research that shows that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a Mythical Figure,

2. Jesus really existed based on archeological findings, and

3. The teachings of Jesus is original and not copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt and many other Christ figures like Dionysus, Bacchus, Mythiras but to mention a few.

I guess we can start from there.

Show me your well researched proof, and I will show you mine.

Can we do that instead of going back and forth with the name calling?

What do you think?



This was your reply -



I love this challenge but before we proceed i want you to rephrase your questions.

Please address your questions to all those claiming CHRISTIANS so that only those coming to speak for Jesus will be known as true believers in Christ.

“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:32-33


Or

Rephrase your questions and specifically say "this is a challenge for Christians"
Romans 10:9

Thanks in advance!



This was my counter reply -



Lol.

Why are you looking for external support?

Are you doing this research for anyone else?

For me to agree to a change in the terms of this challenge, we might have to create a new thread to address this square.

But I directed this challenge at YOU.

Come to think of it, why are you involving other "Christians"?

I thought you have always called them common church goers, and have on countless occasions insulted them for their belief in a trinity?

Why do you need their support in this instance?

I would like to understand why before agreeing to these new terms.

When people are foolish but they want to hide their foolishness they will say:

"All of us are wise in different ways"

But then they keep disturbing others even though they've concluded that everyone is wise.

How can someone open about 30 threads over just one group of people yet claiming that wisdom is relative?

You don catch one JW for your area wey be pedophile?

Courz:
As shown in the video below, your Freemason Watchtower is carrying out Child Sex Trafficking that has spread all around the world and covering up these heinous crimes. When Child Sexual Abuse is spreading at this rate, it is no longer an Isolated case. It is a Systemic problem created by Watchtower and it is properly described as Child Sex Trafficking.

https://www.youtube.com/live/s84pgnRJtWg?feature=share

Mad MaxInDHouse, why are you in a Cult that is carrying out Child Sex Trafficking?

He don enter default mode!

oteneaaron:
Why don't you tell everyone here what led to the debate?

Did I force you to debate with me?

Did I beg you to debate with me?

Didn't you say you agreed to the debate to "humiliate" me?

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't know what a challenge really means!
He first made this move but i ignored him since i noticed he doesn't believe in God, i knew it's going to be a time wasting.
But since he raised the issue here again and his so called friends are scared to stand up for their faith i decided to humiliate him along with his friends by demanding we do so on a fresh thread.
Today he could see for himself that it's all about things he believes against what i believe and not a research at all because he's just telling stories of what he chose to believe against the Bible nothing more!

Thank you for bringing this here!

So why asking only me when there are hundreds of thousands of people claiming they believe in Jesus?

Ọmọ it's like you don't know what disturb mean o!

I no dey Pennsylvania nah Nigeria i dey so nah lie them dey talk!

Courz:
Why are you in a Cult that is carrying out Child Sex Trafficking in many countries which has made the authorities decide to investigate all congregations in Pennsylvania?

Well i've given you a job so get to work instead of crying day and night on Nairaland!

Courz:
How can a Cult that professes to be the One True religion carry out all these heinous crimes and brainwash its members to see these crimes as non issues? That's a Satanic Cult molding its members as Satanic agents. How can A True religion treat a Victim of Child Sexual Abuse this way in the below screenshot?

Ọmọ na lie dey there, if you're really interested in this case catch just one as in just one JW in your own neighbourhood and report to the authorities. Ló bá tán!

Courz:
How can a Cult that professes to be the One True religion carry out all these heinous crimes and brainwash its members to see these crimes as non issues? That's a Satanic Cult molding its members as Satanic agents.

oteneaaron:
MaxInDHouse, kindly explain to everyone reading this thread how I have been disturbing you to enter an argument with me about the historicity of Jesus.

What led to the debate we had exactly one year ago on this thread? - https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

I am waiting for you explain how I have been "disturbing you".

Why add my name out of all those claiming they believe in Jesus on this forum?

You even have many supporters against JWs claiming they believe in Jesus.
So why must it be me who doesn't even want to chat with you?

Please catch one JW in your neighbourhood practicing pedophilia and report him to the police then i will take your cookup stories seriously! Matthew 5:11-12

Courz:
What is even annoying with your Freemason Watchtower is that This whole investigation in Pennsylvania started with the arrests of Four JW Men. Then another 5 JW Men were arrested. Then further investigations forced the attorney general to go after all congregations in Pennsylvania. Do you know what that means? That means this Child Sexual Abuse is veeeeeerrrrry serious and that Watchtower has been playing a biiiiiggggg role in it.

Another issue with Watchtower is that They along with the Catholic Church and the Mormons are fighting against compulsory reporting of Child Sexual Abuse. Why is the One True religion along with other religions it likes to call Christendom fighting against the passage of the Law of Compulsory reporting of Child Sexual Abuse?

Look at how a Victim of Child Sexual Abuse was treated by Watchtower and your fellow Freemason JWs when she reported her experience to Watchtower!

You just want me to expose your foolishness shey?

OK if you believe that WISDOM is relative then why have you been disturbing me over belief in Jesus?

You're claiming that wisdom is relative but at the same time you've been disturbing me to enter an argument with you over the historicity of Jesus Christ.

https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

Why not just let things be after all you yourself said WISDOM is relative!

oteneaaron:
Just look at the result of all your "Wisdom".
I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.
Also, I forgive you for the insults - I know you can't do any better than this.

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit! Matthew 7:16-18

Is he a member raised in the church?

Now who is the Pharisee?
Is it JWs who are helping people to turn away from bad habits or you who is condemning them without a second chance?

Courz:
Pedophiles are attracted to your Cult and your beloved Freemason Watchtower accommodated all of them and gave them freedom to Rape Underaged Children even in Satanic Rituals. Your Freemason Elders have been organising Satanic ceremonies in certain houses along with your fellow Freemason JWs. And what does Watchtower do when this happens? They threatened victims, they removed Elders who reported, they also made sure to pay these victims off when they take them to court because they don't want all of the details of the Child Sexual Abuse out there in public.

Now, the Attorney General of Pennsylvania has noted all the Elders, all the congregations in Pennsylvania and have given them notice of their Kingdom halls being under Investigation. They have been told not to destroy evidence (What Watchtower always tell Elders to do) or documents else they will face the Law. They all have been told that they will appear before the Court to testify. This means that Child Sexual Abuse is so widespread in your Cult for them to notify all Elders in Pennsylvania. The same thing is happening in Washington DC. Your Freemason Watchtower hired the same lawyers the Catholic Church hired to defend them in their own Child abuse cases. Who would have thought they would be disgraced like this? This is the Fruit of the One True religion. How do you feel that your Satanic practices are being exposed?

OK calling you a dullard means raining insults shey?

Well that's your personal opinion but it's either you're wise or foolish no sitting on the fence!

oteneaaron:
You see your life?
With all your "wisdom", you can never hold a conversation without raining insults on the other party.
I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.
If you have no idea what that means, then you might have to go back to school.

Putin fighting African battle.

Nothing way Musa no go see for gate!

AnyanwuSilas:
They are fighting our battle, if you don't get it then forget it

tctrills:
So all those going to wars now are disobeying the last order from our commander Jesus Christ that's why they won't fit in God's Kingdom where we must forgive and let go of injuries instead of nursing it until it will turn to killings here and there!
If the inhabitants of heaven did not disobey him in 1914 as you claim, why do you think we on earth are disobeying him? Don't you see how foolish the teaching is?

The inhabitants of heaven are not humans that's why Jesus never raised a weapon against his physical enemies on earth.
He said to Pilate:

“My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” John 18:36

His attendants aren't humans and they know that the war they're to fight isn't against flesh and blood! Ephesians 6:12

So in heaven where they fought no blood no life no body was crushed because it was a spiritual battle and those involved aren't flesh and blood!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
Shame on you too for trying so hard to force words out of my mouth.
You failed woefully.
I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.
You can take it to the bank and deposit it.

OLÓDO!

This is the definition of WISDOM:

©The discretionary use of knowledge for the greatest good.

©The ability to apply relevant knowledge in an insightful way, especially to different situations from that in which the knowledge was gained.

©The ability to make a decision based on the combination of knowledge, experience, and intuitive understanding.

Therefore WISDOM is the practical application of useful information which results in lasting benefits.
So it's not relative it's either you're wise or foolish!

Courz:
Pedophiles and Ex convicts are attracted to this Cult as well.

Jesus didn't come for the righteous but sinners

"Go, then, and learn what this means: ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners" Matthew 9:13

That's why Paul could say:

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

The first human Jesus gave a direct Visa to Paradise was a condemned criminal! Luke 23:40-43

So you're right on this we are searching for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} not those who feel they're OK with what they're presently that's why sinners are attracted to Jesus of Nazareth!

oteneaaron:
"Any group" is no group at all.
I still repeat - wisdom is relative.
Moreover like your previous question, this isn't a Yes or No question.

oteneaaron:
Interesting.
Thank you for reminding me about updating the thread you mentioned above.
Sonmvayina, I think we should resume our book review - what do you think?

Shame on you and all your friends claiming CHRISTIANS as you can't answer the question.

For your information there is no way you can be wise if you're not a believer in Christ Jesus because he is the most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} so a disciple of Christ even though 10 years of age is a million times wiser than you and your cohorts who disbelieve the Christ!

You can't grasp the import of that statement but let me tell you that you must confess Jesus as Lord and King before you can be saved!

I know as Kumuyi pikin your pride won't allow you to ask for the reason so i'll keep that for others who may like to know why everyone tongue must confess Jesus as Lord!

OK i'll rephrase it.

Do you think any group claiming Christians are making any sense to you?

oteneaaron:
I didn't dodge the question because it is not a Yes or No question.

It is rhetorical and that is why I told you that wisdom is relative.

Moreover, the Jesus you believe in is quite different from the Jesus other Christians believe in.

And since you have agreed that your belief in the Angel Micheal Jesus who came back to earth invisibly in 1919 makes you wise, I have no right to argue.

Why?

I repeat once again: Wisdom is relative.

Humble yourselves and worship the true God!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!