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Go through all your comments against JWs on this forum then come back and reread this post!

brocab:
You might as well have caste the first stone naturally, your abusive behavior is over the top, Jesus said: love your neighbors, you love nobody.
I don't abuse you, but you call me a murderer, and everything else under the sun, you must sit there all day and night working up a plan; how to lie about other Christians.
{Psalms 101:7} He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence.
You are one sinner who enjoys lying about others.
You don't see any of us Christians picking up weapons of distraction against anybody, but it doesn't stop you accusing us, that we do.
You always mock the politicians, but do you know the Lord said; obey your authorities, Governors, etc,
{Romans 13:1} Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. ''Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment
So if our Governing authorities: calls for the country to war: Bye.
You have no-idea how to act as a Christian: you Max and Janosky are the nastiest two on this forum 'you have got to be the worst JW's I have ever dealt with.
If the Watchtower really meant anything to you: than why aren't you behaving: like others, ones that are trying to make something good from it.
You claim Jesus, but you use Jesus as a mockery, hiding behind His Name while you plan deceit against your neighbor.
{Psalms 66:18} If I regard deceit in my heart the lord will not hear me.
You are very nasty towards others...

Ken4Christ:
It is true that the narration is contained in the gospel of Matthew alone but it is consistent with the scriptures.
The writer of Hebrews mentioned spirit of just men made perfect in heaven. How did they get there? - Hebrews 12:23.

Matthew's account is characterized by prophetic utterances so whenever you're reading such in Matthew it's about what the future holds for the dead that Jesus' death has confirmed. Because of the sacrificial death of the lamb of God (Jesus Christ) the resurrection of the dead is certain. That's what the vision is all about!

in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect. Hebrews 12:23
The congregation of the firstborn has been enrolled in heaven. Jesus is the firstborn from the dead {Revelations 1:5} meaning nobody has been raised from the dead to continue living before Jesus every other resurrected person before him still died later. So the congregation of the firstborn here means those whose names has been WRITTEN in heaven just as Jesus told his faithful disciples! Luke 10:20

No spirit has gone to heaven during the time Paul wrote that letter, in fact resurrection has not started at all by then. Paul made it clear that by the time resurrection will start it's those believers who died in Christ that will rise first! 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

That's why it makes no sense relying on human wisdom because their knowledge is limited to what they know!

sukkot:
yeah king Solomon totally got it. And they do say he is the wisest man that ever lived and yet he saw the futility in everything. and i am not against companionship with other humans what i am against is having their opinions bother you because even their opinions are futile

budaatum:
Read it out loud so you hear how you sound, Max.

You and i can never ever be on the same page so GOODBYE!

Ken4Christ:
You must be high on drugs. Why do you always want to impose your beliefs on others even when there are no scriptures to back them up.
Show me where it says its a vision.

Show me where other writers relate the same event!

finegirl233:
Greetings
For me, the bible still remains a story book for me or is there something i'm not doing it right?

Of course the Bible is God's word and it exert power {Hebrews 4:12} but don't think it's the paper in which it's written or the one preaching to you that can make it work for you.
NO!
It's like you sitting down and listening to what an old man is saying, through his wealth of experience you can be fully competent and completely equipped to face the future with courage. 2Timothy 3:16-17
So for you to gain the power you must read and meditate {Proverbs 2:1-5} then choose your friends wisely because those who don't trust (believe) God's word can't benefits from it so it's unwise been friends of such ones! Psalms 1:1 Proverbs 13:20

Ken4Christ:
You always want to tell us what the scripture didn't say. If it's a vision, the Bible would have told us. So, it's not a vision.

It's a vision that's why you can't answer thought provoking questions having to do with it!

They are all ATHEISTS!

So no matter how clear it is their interest is to discredit the Bible, i purposely opened this thread to rubbish their claims regarding pagan traditions that existed before Christianity as most of them do refer to dates earlier than the time Jesus was born claiming the idea was stolen from pagan traditions!

IslamIsIdiotic:
Christianity came first. The latter day adherents of those pagan religions began to copy elements from the Bible and incorporate them into their religions.
For example, the cult of Mithras existed during the days of the early Church and they began to associate the divinity of Jesus with the person of their god Mithras. This happened in places like Corinth and Antioch where the cult had many members.

tctrills:
I don't care the age of your students even adults are brainwashed.
The more I discuss with you, the clearer it seems that you never read the verses you mention. It's laziness. I advise you to read before sending.

And do you think i give a damn what you think?
I'm here to discuss with whoever finds my thread insightful not people like you who still doubts everything even the Bible itself you can't defend with competence.
So you don't worth considering with whatever you may think?

That's between those that wholeheartedly believe (trust) in His words not people like you who feel it goes hand in hand with Babylonian mythology.
So go and worship with your kind!

sonmvayina:
So when did the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob say he was going to impregnate another man's wife to sire a son?

tctrills:
I have learnt so much from many people on this platform but what you begin to teach something that is clearly wrong, there I draw the line. I mean, you can't be teaching your students that believe means trust na. What is the point in confusing them?
If you want to be a teacher, be a teacher of truth.

Now i know your problem, you're thinking my students are kids right?
Well for your information most of them are far older than me, i have a lawyer, two bankers and a doctor as well as lecturers who wants to learn from me. So when i say "STUDENTS" you should know that it's like when Jesus is teaching and most of his disciples are far older than him. It's you people that doesn't value wisdom. Those that value it book appointment with me for their Bible studies!

tctrills:
The scripture your mentioned Matthew 25:14-30 does not teach that believe is trust. I am not sure you even read the verses. Those verses speak about the talent and not believe or trust If you teach what the bible says, no one would argue with you.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, see churchgoers and lack of knowledge! Why not just ask of the correlation between what we're discussing and the quoted scriptures?
Well this is what it means:

God's Holy Spirit gave Jesus' disciples different gifts {Ephesians 4:11} each is expected to make disciples for the master through the gift in their possession. The ability to think deeper and bring out the import of certain words is my own gift. So when i say "BELIEVE means TRUST" most of my students don't argue like you guys here rather they patiently ask "where is the correlation?"
But since you think i'm wrong go and work out how to make disciples if you feel you're a real Christian!

tctrills:
MaxInDHouse says it's his personal definition so I can't argue with that. In our world today, we have men who believe they are women so I respect his opinion even though he is wrong and unfortunately he is teaching it to his students

My students are also fishers of men like myself who are fully competent and completely equipped for the assignment so we use the uncommon sense when studying God's word that's why we are unique.

BELIEVE and TRUST have the same meaning when looking at it from the viewpoint of the Bible's Author that's what you need to know.

But if you want to rely on what the world says go and use their understanding we are working for someone and we need to deliver! Matthew 25:14-30

This is where you're contradicting yourself!

If you're looking within yourself you have no business with those who choose to look outside the box so as to worship with others.
Your forefathers worship their gods together as congregations not within in isolation!

oteneaaron:
You are worshiping ENLIL.
I don't have to worship anything or anybody outside myself...
Look within!

IslamIsIdiotic:
Most of those "tales" like those of Mithras and Budda were invented by followers of those gods who wanted to make their deities more like Jesus
In India for example, Hindus regard Jesus as a god or an "ascended master"

Those DEMONS were angels in heaven before they fall so they got the idea when God passed judgment on Satan! Genesis 3:15

tctrills:
Oga this is a public forum na. We don't invite or uninvite in this platform. Lol.
But even to your bible students, you should not create definitions from thin air just to confuse them.
If your students actually believe that believe and trust are the same, that means they are not as educated as you claim.
And don't forget, you were replying me when you claimed that trust means believe. So you don't need to pretend that you were engaging with your students.

All you have to do is calm down and learn but if you believe you know better go out there and TEACH what you know this is all about me and my discoveries in driving home my point when teaching others to understand!

oteneaaron:
My forefathers?
They are my forefathers as much as they are your forefathers too.
Unless you weren't born a Nigerian.
Why don't you do the research and find out what they said about the origin of life?
So where is your proof that these DEMONS got the "ideas" from the garden of Eden?
Moreso, what is this "idea" you speak about?

I'm not interested in what forefathers believe it's you that's interested in it so go gather your friends to know what they believe so you can continue worshiping what they worshiped before now, as for me and my own household it's JEHOVAH the God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob we will worship!

ibkayee:
The only thing anyone can tell you about what happens is that you die.
No one actually knows what happens afterwards
I am a Christian but nobody categorically knows

This is the answer:

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Go and find the real meaning of the word Hell then come back for this i'm sure you're not yet ready!

AntiChristian:
Hell no be grave o! Na JW use am as such aka Watchtower Interpretation!

Will Samson spend days in Hell too like Jesus or Jesus's suicide was authorised while Samson's wasn't?

That was a vision not real event otherwise Jews that witnessed dead people walking around will tell others moreover flesh and blood can't go to heaven!

Ken4Christ:
Matthew 27:51-52
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

They were the cloud that received Jesus when he ascended back to heaven.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM out of their sight

AntiChristian:
But the Jesus that came himself to die won't enter hell o!

He spent days in hell (grave)

AntiChristian:
So Samson dey go Hell?
God answered his prayer to kill himself with his enemies!

YES! Just like all others Samson is in hell (grave) awaiting resurrection!

Good!
I'm a religionist so everything i do here ends up on religion and worship, if you're sure that anyone understands better go and WORSHIP with them!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
Who is arguing with you?
Why do you see everything as argument or as a confrontation?
Who was talking about worshiping anything?
Moreso, you don't own Nairaland, neither are you a mod so you can't tell me what to talk about.

tctrills:
I respect that.
But If it's your personal meaning, you should keep it to yourself and not try to spread it as the true meaning.
If for example, my personal meaning of Car is house, it would be wrong for me to teach others that a car means a house. I could keep it to myself rather than confusing others. Do you understand?

I never invited you in here so if you're not OK with what i'm saying take the exit door.
I have many Bible students who are well educated and understand English much more than you but when i tell them believe connotes trust they're happy to know how true it is!

oteneaaron:
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, he met the survivor of the great flood - Utnapishtim who is the the same person of Ziasudra in other epic tales.
It is said that the name Utnapishtim means "exceedingly wise."
Unlike the Bible that contradicts itself, these ancient epic tales always corroborate each other.

There's no need telling stories agree within yourselves and start worshiping together let's see how true your stuff!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
Demons are to be blamed?
He said "demons got the idea".
So you are calling the original story of the African Virgin Mother Isis an idea from demons?
If only your forefathers from ancient Africa could read your words today. They'd cover their heads in shame for what their children have become.
For over 5000 years before the Jesus of the Bible, the African Story of the Virgin of Isis has been in existence.
Have you heard of the Nag Hammadi Scriptures?
Have you heard of the Pyramid Texts?
Or have you forgotten that even the founder of your organization, Charles Taze first got his 1914 teaching by studying the dimensions of the Great Pyramid of Egypt in Africa?
Go and do your research!!
But you wouldn't listen.

What has your forefathers got to say about the origin of life?
How did life begin?
All those gods are DEMONS they got all these ideas from the garden of Eden when God declared judgment on the three rebels.
So if you want to present a contrary opinion present the worshipers of those gods let's see how real they are!

oteneaaron:
Hahahaha
Calm yourself down and learn from the valuable information budaatum is sharing with you.
Slow down and read to understand.

This is a religious section if you don't want to talk about WORSHIP there's no need arguing with you.
So go and WORSHIP with her!

Ken4Christ:
Lazarus wasn't in heaven at that time. The paradise is the bosom of Abraham. It was also underneath the earth and separated by a gulf or deep valley from hell. It was after the resurrection of Jesus that they rose from the dead and relocated to heaven.

So they were both in the same geographical location only for some to be taken to heaven after Jesus' resurrection meaning Jesus has resurrected the dead to heaven, shey?

Aemmyjah:
If you see a sane person exchanging words with a mad man, you'll doubt the person is really sane. Arguing with a fool makes you like him bro

Why not make him realize his stupidity without actually calling him a "FOOL"?
An atheist only want to prove to you that you're stupid for believing (trusting) in the book called "Bible" but when you carefully scrutinize him you will discover that all his life depends on what he also read in books!

He asked you why calling on phones but comparing to Jehovah who didn't use phones, right?

Well i've told him several times that science is what humans discover after a long time that the Bible has informed us that it's possible.

Before now phones are stationed in a particular place where everyone comes in to make calls but go to those countries today it has all been removed.
WHY? Well humans have discovered that it's possible to talk with someone far away anywhere we are as long as network is there.

Who first made use of such technology?
Where was it first heard?
Well it's no other place but inside the Bible!

Let them continue deceiving themselves thinking they know better than those ancient men who recorded all these things before we now discovered how possible it is!

Exodus 20:13

jaephoenix:
The counterfeit one here is the Bible version. Most religious books copied from Epic of Gilgamesh, etc

All the demons got the idea when God declared judgment on the three rebels in the garden of Eden {Genesis 3:15} so everywhere they go fabricated or stage managed stories to fit in the narrative will be heard but Jesus' case is the authentic!

tctrills:
It's not as it you or our organization created the English language.
It's ok if we stick to the correct definitions rather than creating new meanings for argument sake.
I can claim that believe means to eat. It does not right

That's my own PERSONAL meaning of the word BELIEVE so if you don't agree that's not a problem you can stick to whatever meaning you know but as far as i am concerned the word BELIEVE connotes TRUST!

I only responded to you because it's my thread otherwise i don't like chatting with you because you and i can never ever be on the same page.
Goodbye!

budaatum:
You can't read, it seems, or you'd have read Peter say they "have left all things and followed you". And Jesus is the Logos, as in the ability to read and understand and utilise the learning one receives, which doing is what gives what Jesus allegorically promised, and which I have informed you I have relatively already achieved, not only for myself, but for those I extend my hands to. It's school fees time, if you must know. As for everlasting life, I hope to die someday. Amen.