₦airaland Forum

tctrills:
You are right, Jesus Christ established his church not the JW church. Your organization was established much latter by a man like you and I so I would be a fool to join a group just for the sake of presenting a group to you.
Do you understand.

brocab:
No I am asking you Africans,

brocab:
Yeah it's a threat; you don't know Courz personally: you don't even read courz's pages, Courz could have said it completely different, but you have taken it wrong. It doesn't sound you were warning Courz from danger:
I am sure if CIA is watching anybody, it wouldn't be on the Christian channel.

Ken4Christ:
Adam was already created as a spirit man in Genesis 1:26-28.
His body was formed after creating in Genesis 2 so he can function on earth.

brocab:
In Africa_ why do women have boy's names? I have met a lot on line: some women have the name John, others are called James and other different boy's names: Why is that?

brocab:
So you are telling us: you are still following the Old Testament law: in a way: your elders have the final rights to order the parents of the misbehaved child not to associate with him anymore. Is this what you are saying?
So what if the boy/girl decides to ask the parents for their forgiveness, does this make a difference?
Or do they have to ask the elders, to be able to front their parents.
So once you sign up with the Watchtower you come under their Covenant.
What about if the boy/girl was innocent of their crime, and yet not proven to be guilty. Is it still up to the elders to decide, what if the parents were guilty does this make a difference?

brocab:
This is your threat: you are telling him to watch his back:
Plus if you were part of the CIA at one stage: then I would be watching your own back, leaking out any secret information about you being part of the CIA is a crime against them.
And you say I am stupid?

brocab:
My bid to shift blame? Wow" you need to look yourself in a mirror some stage of your life, maybe rip your makeup off your face and see your true colors.
I wouldn't expect anymore from you-metal as anything.

tctrills:
You point to men and I point you to the word of God. I think I should be the one boasting.
You depend on a human organisation that has failed you in the past and would still fail you in the future while I point directly to God the giver of all knowledge.
Jesus Christ never pointed to an organization, he pointed to his father.
None of your manmade churches is superior to the word of God.
Again you got it wrong, it is the presence of different organizations that have led to confusion not the absence.

brocab:
Then if this is your case then you shouldn't threaten Courz;
Threaten no-body: a threat is just as good as picking up a weapon against another.
Learn by your mistakes Max.

brocab:
{Deuteronomy 21:18-21} If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.”
Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
It's Old Testament law Max: time would have been difficult back then.

tctrills:
No excuse for pride
All my arguments are based on the scriptures not personal opinion.
And let's not forget that your argument is based on other people's opinions (Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses) So you have no reason to boast on another person's opinion when my views all come from God's words.

Ken4Christ:
The spirit man is complete without the body. The physical body only gives man the opportunity to live on earth. You are complete in your spirit form just like angels.

tctrills:
Lol
I just laugh at your dishonesty. You are allowed to be arrogant and boastful yet you preach humility to me. A typical Nigerian Christian. Do what I say not what I do.
I would have loved to follow your teachings if they were true, sound and correct.

tctrills:
Nothing you said here has to do with our discussion. You claim that you hate wasteful arguments. But we both know that is not true. You dwell on wasteful arguments. If you continue to quote scriptures that don't match the topic in your arguments, is that not a wasteful argument.
As I said, learn to be a little more honest and have some integrity even in your disagreements. If you want to be a teacher of truth, you need to be truthful.

Ken4Christ:
1st Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.
When Jesus is coming, he is coming with the Saints in heaven from the verse above.
They are only coming to pick up their new bodies which will be resurrected. But they are in heaven already in their spirit form.

tctrills:
Oga, you are the arrogant one here, You are the one always boating. As I told you, I learn from many people on this platform. But I learn from those who have real substance to teach, not the boasters or pretenders.
I agree with much of what you wrote about perfection but it does not counter my point rather, it builds on what I wrote.
And thanks, it seems you took my advice. Some of the scriptures you mentioned fit with the discussion. Good job.

sonmvayina:
You did not answer the question..
You see why I say it is only dummies that would believe that crap..

MaxInDHouse:
Please open your Bible to Genesis 3:15 and read with me:

And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”

This is where all the demons (later driven out from God's presence) got the idea that the child who will destroy Satan will be born not through the lineage of Adam's sons because none of Adam's descendants can't redeem any of their kind {Psalms 49:7-9} since they're all sinners unworthy of such a task {Romans 3:23} they sensed that the only way out for innocent descendants of Adam is for a perfect human having equal wait like Adam to come and pay the ransom {1Corinthians 15:45} this means that child must be divine in nature!

To be continued...

MaxInDHouse:
That day God declared His judgment all angels were alert listening to what will happen to the three rebels that got their Creator annoyed so after Adam's death and nothing happened to Satan many angels followed his path as they abandoned their positions in heaven to come and enjoy sexual relations with female humans, they formed bodies for themselves using the dust of the earth since they knew that's what God used in creating bodies for humans but they can't make it live so they entered into the bodies they made and as they formed finest as in fittest structures coupled with their high intellect and abilities to make things happen easily all the females they went for fell for them! Genesis 6:1-2
This was what led to the birth of wicked giants in Noah's days as the unnatural mating can't produce normal children {Genesis 6:4} the fallen angels had supernatural powers to deal with their gigantic sons but what about normal humans who doesn't understand what was happening? Everyone began looking for ways to defend themselves as the giants were taking whatever they want by force without working, they are into all forms of immoral acts and forcing their ways all through, this led to chaos and there was no peace on earth! Genesis 6:5

You all know the rest of the story as God made water to destroy that generation saving only Noah and his family who WORKED with God to preserve the lives of all the animals.

But what happened to the fallen angels in human bodies?
Since they're spirit beings possessing bodies they easily dropped off the bodies they put on and returned to their former abode (heaven) well they were shocked as God didn't allow them back into the family of His loyal sons so they were excommunicated only to start imagining what will later become of them! 1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6

This is where the lies about the living dead came from!
Normal humans die with nothing left after we die but those demons never died they only dropped their fleshy bodies they're the ones promoting the idea of soul or spirit surviving humans after death, according to God's word when we die nothing survives our bodies {Ecclesiastes 9:4-10} everything goes blank until we are called back to life! Job 14:13-15

Satan and his cohorts keep promoting the lies that something survives the human body after death but where is Adam?

They were left idle! As powerful spirit beings that can't feel comfortable without doing anything they were employed by Satan to work with him in opposing God's sovereignty that's why they returned to the earth after the flood has subsided and stationed themselves in various locations until God scattered humans all over the earth. Anywhere humans get to a demon is already waiting to welcome them and become their god/deity they will worship and since God keeps His side of the deal that humans can rule themselves successfully without God's intervention He allowed humans to sought themselves out so the demons began indoctrinating Adams descendants with different doctrines in the name of various gods. This is the condition all humans found themselves until God called Abraham out of the most influential city of that time in other to start preparing for the birth of that promised child! Genesis 12:1-3

Abraham has heard of the story that a child will be born who will undo all the works of Satan but when will this child be born?
Through whom will the child be born?

Abraham felt highly privileged when God told him that this child will come through Abraham's lineage!

To be continued...

MaxInDHouse:
From Abraham down to David the promise has continued so all the demons (pagan gods) keep speculating how gods were born in one place after another so that by the time Christ is born it won't be anything special after all it has been heard in various pagan traditions!

Well by the time the real promised child was born Satan can't keep it low he quickly turned into a fake Star and led his agents to Herod the great, was it to to get baby Jesus killed before his time? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa! Satan knew that he can't kill Jesus but to make the baby start doing supernatural thing so as to alert all God's enemies but God told Joseph to take the baby away until Herod the great died.

So it was all fabricated to discredit the Christ!

budaatum:
Every time we discuss here in this Kingdom where we both dwell, you are worshipping with me. Or rather, we are worshipping together. Unless you want to claim you are fighting me instead, of course.
Or don't you trust and believe anymore?

tctrills:
If God demands perfection before approving people's worship how come He gave holy spirit to imperfect humans like Jesus' apostles?
Perhaps you think they're perfect after their baptism by holy spirit. Well they were never perfect that's why Paul later counsel Peter! Galatians 2:11-14
First I don't want to argue. If you notice, I agree with you when what you say is in line with the scriptures.
I don't understand what you mean by, " If God demands perfection before approving people's worship." What do you mean by approving people's worship.
Again did God demand that we become perfect? Yes
Was Peter or Paul perfect at the time of their confrontation? Most likely not.
That they were not perfect does not mean it is not demanded by God.
"He said, be ye perfect." How else could he demand it?




Arrogance can! If you're not humble you can never see the good in your imperfect neighbor and that's what will isolate you from the congregation of the holy ones. Note that God declared those baptized in the spirit "HOLY" yet they weren't perfect.
Does God demand perfection? Again no.
Would baptism make you automatically perfect? No
To be perfect, you have to overcome like Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 5:8-9

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Even Jesus Christ needed experiences to master perfection. So yes God wants us to become like him. He wants us to be perfect and without it, we can't receive his greatest blessings.

vybzkartel:
A Christian is one who has an eternal contract to serve The Lord Jesus Christ

Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timothy, BONDSERVANTS of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

budaatum:
Max, you knew, I, buda, is on this page before you opened a thread and wrote it, and you knew buda will read what you wrote and if compelled comment. So here we are. In the Kingdom Hall. Worshipping together. As we do. Or do you not yet trust and believe that is what this is after all these years?

You are very welcome to say goodbye and leave if you want to, it's your thread. Just let the door knock sense into your skull on the way out please.

tctrills:
It's not about what I think. It's about you being an honest and upright person.
It's wrong to just float any scripture without even knowing what it says.

brocab:
You might as well have caste the first stone naturally, your abusive behavior is over the top, Jesus said: love your neighbors, you love nobody.
I don't abuse you, but you call me a murderer, and everything else under the sun, you must sit there all day and night working up a plan; how to lie about other Christians.
{Psalms 101:7} He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence.
You are one sinner who enjoys lying about others.
You don't see any of us Christians picking up weapons of distraction against anybody, but it doesn't stop you accusing us, that we do.
You always mock the politicians, but do you know the Lord said; obey your authorities, Governors, etc,
{Romans 13:1} Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. ''Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment
So if our Governing authorities: calls for the country to war: Bye.
You have no-idea how to act as a Christian: you Max and Janosky are the nastiest two on this forum 'you have got to be the worst JW's I have ever dealt with.
If the Watchtower really meant anything to you: than why aren't you behaving: like others, ones that are trying to make something good from it.
You claim Jesus, but you use Jesus as a mockery, hiding behind His Name while you plan deceit against your neighbor.
{Psalms 66:18} If I regard deceit in my heart the lord will not hear me.
You are very nasty towards others...

Ken4Christ:
It is true that the narration is contained in the gospel of Matthew alone but it is consistent with the scriptures.
The writer of Hebrews mentioned spirit of just men made perfect in heaven. How did they get there? - Hebrews 12:23.

sukkot:
yeah king Solomon totally got it. And they do say he is the wisest man that ever lived and yet he saw the futility in everything. and i am not against companionship with other humans what i am against is having their opinions bother you because even their opinions are futile

budaatum:
Read it out loud so you hear how you sound, Max.

Ken4Christ:
You must be high on drugs. Why do you always want to impose your beliefs on others even when there are no scriptures to back them up.
Show me where it says its a vision.

finegirl233:
Greetings
For me, the bible still remains a story book for me or is there something i'm not doing it right?