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Steep:
Is the issue about Jesus working or not working? You have diverted. Hebrews clearly differentiated Jesus from angels. I know you have seen it.

You only need to understand that people who already has money and well to do go for political offices not for wealth anymore but to a name they're just like all other human.
Jesus was just like all other heavenly beings (angels) before he OBTAINED that name which made him higher just as a politician makes a name higher than other humans!

Steep:
Again diverting from the issue at hand.
This below was your statement
@bolded this has nothing to do with shedding or not shedding his blood.
I know you have seen the truth but just trying to play around it.

All mediators do the same work but what makes Jesus' case unique is that he offered his own body and blood unlike all others!

Ken4Christ:
The explanation is a whole book but I will do that later.

The beast completes the 70 weeks of Daniel.

The remaining one week to be fulfilled is the 7 years reign of the anti Christ.

And it will be the seventh kingdom of the world and the last.

Details later.

Get your details regarding the SEVEN YEARS!

That word "BLASPHEMY" started and ended in Israel before Christianity was taken to other nations!
It's only within Israel that they have laws from their God to justify what could be term as blasphemy but outside Israel various cultures and traditions with contradicting opinions can't stand so if you want to call anything blasphemy it should be limited to worshipers of a certain God. The worshipers of Sàngó can't speak against those worshiping Ògún since what is acceptable to one is detestable to the other.
Jesus the Son of God was killed in the ground that he BLASPHEM against the same God he came to teach his people how to worship.

So your religion can only speak of BLASPHEMY among it's worshipers, crossing the boundary will only lead to what happened in China where Muslims were quarantine for their faith!

felixzo1:
soo you have recorded tradition of more than 2023 years ago, what if they just copied what was found in the Bible into their tradition. 100 years alone is not child's play. can you recal your tribal culture for just 500/years. you believed what you heard in such culture but doubt the bible version.

Calm down and learn, all those traditions are pagans that got their fabrications from somewhere that's what i want many to know.

Thanks!

sonmvayina:
Humour me..
Give me example of how a typical house knocking goes and how it leads to the creator of heaven and earth impregnating another man's wife...
Akpakpu

There's no need going round the circle again after all we've been through this several times and it seems both of us will never ever agree on the matter so no matter what you think i don't care just as you too will never care what i think about the matter.
So go and speak with those that will listen to your opinion while i PREACH and TEACH those that will listen to me.
No wahala!

It's a sacred secrets that has been revealed long time ago but i want many to know how those pagans got the idea before the birth of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus!

Ken4Christ:
The beast is the future anti Christ that will rule on earth for 7 years.

Scriptures please!

sonmvayina:
Which kind of people do you preach to?
People like you I guess, because if you meet people like me, you would walk away...I guess.
How do you convince them God impregnated another man's wife? And they just believe ....?
Meeen, pipo sha...

Something will lead to another before you can gain the attention of a human like you, it's not just like walking up to someone and start talking about a God impregnate a woman.

Something will surely lead to another that's what you need to figure out first!

felixzo1:
how come you know it was before the birth of Jesus Christ. When was born by the way.

Jesus was born 2023 years ago but tales of virgin giving birth has been in pagan traditions in other nations centuries before then.

So wait and find out why it's so!

Different fairytales about virgin giving birth to a son common in pagan traditions before the birth of Jesus.
How come?

Steep:
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

He OBTAINED it meaning he worked for it!

Steep:
So the priest in the old testament that mediate for the people are no humans right?
Moses that was a mediated for the Isrealities for God not to destroy them is not a human?
This is what happen when you resist the truth, you become like beasts of the field.
2 Timothy 2 vv 5 clear called Jesus a man, if Jesus was not presently a man Paul wouldn't have called Jesus a man.

They all mediate using the blood of animals but this man mediated using his own precious blood {Act 20:28 compare to Hebrews 9:12} that is what no human can do {Psalms 49:7-9} because only a perfect human can pay up the debt Adam brought upon all his descendants! 1Corinthians 15:45

Don't be upset now, you challenged Jehovah's Witnesses so let's do this with maturity! 1Peter 3:15

After going through your profile i discovered you're one of those people claiming Christian and it's certain that you can't do such a job neither will you allow me work with you since you and i aren't on the same page.
But if you want to learn just direct her to this section of Nairaland tell her a Nigerian will like to know more about Jesus from her.

You will see how easy it is for us to convince a Jew who already believe that Jesus was sent by the God of her ancestors, Yes! The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whose words are recorded in the Hebrew-Aramaic Scripture (Old Testament)

Ḿay you have PEACE!

sonmvayina:
Exactly...I reverence the creator of heaven and earth...and everything within and without..
How do I start imagining that he impregnated another man's wife to sire a son? How you manage to do that is the subject of this discussion.. I find it insulting and condescending...

You're free to hold onto your opinion just as i'm also free to hold onto my opinion.
So go and discuss with whoever wish to listen to you and i will PREACH and TEACH because my Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus the Son of God commanded me to do so! Matthew 28:18-20

May you have PEACE!

IrepChrist:
She does not believe in Jesus. Her view is is the same general view of all Jewish believers that Jesus is one of the prophets but not a messiah. Can one carry on with this believe and be a part of God's kingdom? The answer is an obvious No.

Romans 10:9 KJV
that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Exactly what i said, she will easily fall in love with Jesus of Nazareth!
Are you ready?

brocab:
But your god is your own, it's not written in any of the other bibles, obviously there must be a good reason for that, your god was made up by the Watchtower over 200 years ago.
Prior to that a Roman Catholic monk wrote down Jeova over 700 years ago.
The Watchtower retrieved the Jehova name out of the Catholic Church, and added the letter "H" to make your god, your Own.
No one is interested in what name we call God: our focus is upon Jesus, no other Name can save us.
You don't even read your NWT bible: to know who's even coming back for you, you believe it's Jehovah-but you lie against the truth..
NWT Bible {Revelation 22:20} 'He that bears witness of these things says, 'Yes; I am coming quickly.'' 'Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.'
King James bible {Revelation 22:20} Jesus is a witness about these things. He says, “Yes. I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

Jesus is coming in the name of someone greater than him because that's the person who sent him!

brocab:
What is the name of your god?

Check the topic of discussion the name of my God is boldly written!

sonmvayina:
God is my creator..I can speak freely about him

Everyone else can speak freely about their God whether it's the same concept as yours or not!

Steep:
@ bolded so Jesus is no longer an angel because according to Hebrews Jesus is currently better than the angels.

Apart from the Almighty God all other heavenly beings are angels the only thing Jesus had that no other can meet up is the title CHRIST which no other creature can meet up because he is the only one who was able to save mankind from sin through his sacrificial death.

Steep:
According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is currently a man in heaven.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He described the mediator as the man christ Jesus. This is not a past tense but a present terms.

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

Eastside versus Westside!

brocab:
Neither did Jehovah: he didn't die for your sins either, but you worship him.

My God will never die!

johnw47:
i don't preach

So keep shut when real preachers are talking!

Aemmyjah:
I prayed to God by writing a letter begging him to help me know the truth about him if he really exists

Wait o!

This seems like my story too!

It's like all those coming into God's organization truly searched for Him with all our hearts, and i believe that's why He sent His people to us.

I remember praying exactly like that before JWs started coming to me though i don't like them so i specifically told God in prayer "i don't want JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES please stop them from coming" but the next day it's either they knock on my door or branch my business center!

AntiChristian:
Is this what you are asked above?

Perhaps you can make yourself more clearer because from my end i've answered you.

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
u forever talking gibberish, but then what else do you have
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

Go and PREACH to worshipers of Obaluaye without specifically mentioning the name of your God!

Steep:
How can Jesus be an angel and yet better than the angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

He OBTAINED a more excellent name after his successfully earth mission {Matthew 28:18} before then he was the first angel God directly created! Colossians 1:15

Steep:
According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is a man.

Of course he lived as flesh among humans {John 1:14} so he was a man whose lifestyle we can take as our role model! 1Peter 2:21
We can't imitate someone who never lived in the flesh like us nah!

AntiChristian:
We are humans! So we interpret like humans!

So which is applicable to Jesus here?

Which is applicable to all humans?

Where can we place this?
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God!

If humans interprets as humans then there's no reason arguing over what we all know as definitions of that word "SON"

Jesus wasn't born through sexual reproduction so he was created just like all other spirit sons of God.
Humans are also God's children through Adam who is God's first human son! Luke 3:38
Salam (Peace) is what we all know comes from God alone so whenever we see humans trying to make peace reign with the words of their mouths we know that those words aren't coming from ordinary humans but from the GREATEST PEACEMAKER Himself GOD!

Ken4Christ:
Explain these two verses for me, Revelation 19:20 & Revelation 20:10.

First of all you should know that Jesus is the one who passed these messages to John and he USED SIGNS {Revelations 1:1} to illustrate what will happen in the end. So the metaphorical terms aren't meant to be taken literal!

And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. Revelations 19:20

The BEAST is the collision of human governments that ruled over the earth in the endtime. The FALSE PROPHETS are notable religious leaders instigating their members to vote for either sides during political struggles and most times it does leads into wars where the people will pick up weapons and start killing one another whereas they're supposed to love one another as worshipers of God under the direction of God's Son. The IMAGE is last world government that will merge all the people under one religion instead of praying for God's Kingdom through Christ Jesus they will rely on human effort to make the world a better place. So they will all come against JWs because that's the one and only organization that her members will solely rely on God's Kingdom with unshakable faith {Revelations 16:14-16} so while they're hunting JWs up and down Jesus will lead his angels from heaven to destroy all those that doesn't want his government {Luke 19:27} remember all these people don't know they're actually fighting against the same Jesus they've been singing his praise {Act 5:39} that's why it was written that their religious leaders performed signs to DECEIVE them!

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelations 20:10

Satan will not be destroyed immediately with those people rather after their destruction Satan will be locked up in an inactive state for 1,000 years in which billions of people will be resurrected to gain accurate knowledge about the Christ {Revelations 20:1-3} but after that 1,000 years were ended Satan will be released to mislead those who has been made perfect through Christ's reign {Revelations 20:7-9} then Jesus will destroy both Satan and all those that followed him at that time.

Because nobody will die during that 1,000 years of intensive training survivors will forever continue to remember those destroyed and what led to their destruction, it will be like flames from a burnt site that keeps going up even children born in Paradise will be told all these stories and it will be as if those people are being tormented each time their stories are told just as we all keep imagining Sodom and Gomorrah burning till today whereas those cities has gone for good!

In Islam our thinking were shaped into thinking that the word "SON" only means one begotten through sexual reproduction but you can check the dictionary's definition of "Son" in the below screenshot.

AntiChristian:
Adam was created in the Physical realm from earth material with the soul from God.
How was Jesus specifically created to be son of God while God is the father without reproduction?

How will you feel?
If you're a King ruling over two regions then a rebel decided to share the rulership with you though you could have asked for his head but then you wisely chose to allow him try his best so everyone can see whose right it is to rule!

This rebel lives in your territory so he crossed to the other region for his campaign against your rulership and the inhabitants VOTED him as the ruler of their choice. So you decided to allow time for the inhabitants of that region to taste and see whose rulership will favour them.

Meanwhile you keep sending messengers to that region for the inhabitants to know what is happening so they can grasp that it's the decision of their ancestors that led to all the pains and suffering they're experiencing.

Finally you sent your first Son who always does things like you to go and campaign in that region all the things you have in stock for those that decide to vote for your Son as ruler.

But then a certain man started complaining bitterly in that region over the condition of the inhabitants, what do you suggest this complainant need to understand your good plans for the inhabitants of that region?

OperationalVehi:
i have come to conclusion that there are millions of people on earth. Now lets consider the many others that have died centuries ago and how special and chosen they must have felt believing that a certain God or deity will reward them with a special place.

To be honest, as a kid, i strived to be righteous and stayed away from sin or doing bad, thinking God loves me. Since God loves me, i wouldn't do anything to displease him. But with my exposure of recent, i fell sorry for making a fool of myself.

All the suffering and injustice on earth certainly is enough to count as hell. You cant go through all this hardship and one "God" will still now lock you behind hell's gate. Life is just too hard and difficult for there to be a loving God

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
u r another dum dum that doesn't know that most people call God: "God"
instead of calling Him a name that is likely not His name
u such dummies aren't you:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Go to India and talk about GOD there your eyes will clear that everything you will say they'll attribute it all to Krishna after all that's the name of there GOD but Krishna never died for anyone's sin!

Ken4Christ:
Unbelief is your problem. Jesus has unveiled to us the destiny of the wicked but you still don't believe.

According to God's word the end of evildoer is DEATH! Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23
But since we are not directly involved in what happened in the garden of Eden God arranged for innocent descendants of Adam to be raised from the dead. Job 14:13-15
This is what Jesus is using different illustrations to explain that just as people keep things they're not using in a store only to go back and pick them whenever they're needed God has also kept many in their graves to be called back to life when evildoers are no more.
But as for those that deliberately chose to be wicked they will not be remembered {Psalms 9:17} so their graves will be like a permanent dump site where fire keeps burning to completely destroy whatever is thrown there! Revelations 20:14-15

As for your thinking that God will roast people in fire that's a misinterpretation of God's word! Jeremiah 7:31

Aemmyjah:
My assembly is in 12 days
I don't like large crowds at alllllll
But my heart's swells as the DAY DRAWS NEAR
People that have been going are just putting coolers and warmers filled with food
There'll be lots of spiritual and literal food

A lesson to all those premium churchgoers on what real Christians giving is. They taunt us cos they wait till December where they give and expect to receive

The brother that concluded the meeting with prayer really touched me with his choice of words i suspect he must be one of them because his prayer made all of us feel loved it was as if a man praying for his children that's the spirit Jesus and his spiritual brothers always exhibit! John 21:5; 1John 2:1