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Maynman:
Yes Bible is the collection of different books which one of it is torah right?
Keep quoting Torah just as they do in Islam too.

Call it whatever my friend, call it whatever!

Maynman:
The god of Judaism told him according to the Torah. Torah is the first 5 book of the Bible. Bible means collection of books, they added Torah To it You are quoting verses in the Torah

You call it whatever name you want my friend, i have told you how those people erred but it's like you just want to misconstrue everything to justify atheism in your heart so i can understand why you're running back and forth!

Maynman:
Torah is the first 5 book of the Bible. Bible means collection of books, why did they add Torah to the collections?

Bible is a collection of 66 little books, having 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses.
Our God promised that it's only when we stick to His complete instructions that we will get the benefits! Isaiah 48:17-18

So the words of our God continue until when His only begotten Son said NO SUBTRACTION NO ADDITION in the Bible book of Revelation! 22:18-19

If anyone picks part of the word of our God and reject the other it's like knowing the starting of something without it's ending so they will fail when talking about it's benefits!

Maynman:
Worshiper of the Christian god why are you lying?
Who inspired Moses? Christian god or Judaist god?

Who told Moses that another prophet is coming to establish a lasting covenant with faithful people throughout the whole world? Deuteronomy 18:15-19

If the Jews haven't found that prophet coming to establish another covenant then know that we true Christians have found him, he is Jesus of Nazareth so it's the Christian God that inspired Moses not the god of Judaism.

Maynman:
Aren’t you also using the Torah too? Or rather didn’t you copy the Torah too? You guys are the same.

NO!
We are following God's program from Abel till today while those people are trying to restrict themselves to a portion of our book so there's no way they can benefit from God's word!

Maynman:
Didn’t you say Judaist people are demonic? Torah came from Judaism.

Moses is the inspired writer and for your information Moses is not a Jew.
So those people using it as cover are deceiving themselves it doesn't belong to them!

Maynman:
So why is the book of the Hebrews found in the Bible? I’m the hebrew practices Judaism and they are demonic, right?
So Muslims now use Torah and they didn’t copy the Bible?

This people always turn away from the true God so it's no surprise that they're now hinging on what is not the full message that could benefit them!

Maynman:
So you agree that the first 5 book of the Bible comes solely from Torah? Why then do you use it?
And you said god is progressive, for progress to happen there must be change. So your god do change? Say one thing today another tomorrow? Give them laws when it suits and changes it when it doesn’t suit, that’s not a perfect god. More like a trial and error god, I still prefer the Judaist god, he maintained his stance and didn’t change surely the New Testament is meant for Christians and has another god.

Did Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob and Joseph knew the Torah?

Maynman:
God’s land is been ruled by demons.
God condemned isreal.
Why are you using the Torah from these demons then?

So it's the demons that inspired Moses shey?

Maynman:
The Hebrew aramaic scriptures simply means TORAH
This guy don read the definition of Torah but he is in denial, trying to find another complex word for Torah

Guy i told you i was a Muslim before becoming a JW. The five books of Moses is what the Hebrews call the Torah and that's what their Muslim counterpart do call it till today!

Maynman:
So the people of isrealite never made it back home?
How come the Christian god allowed the settlers/demons to dominate isreal?
And also Why then did you add the Torah from the settlers to the Bible?

They have scattered throughout the earth and those settling in Israel now are not the original Israelites, even most of the land God promised Abraham has been snatched away from them.

I told you but your atheistic mindset won't let you listen.
The true God has condemned that nation so the God who promised Abraham is no longer in support of whatever they're doing in that place again, they're just like any other pagan nations around the world!

Maynman:
So there’s nothing called Old Testament in God’s plan? Who was forming it then?
Cause the Torah makes up for the first 5 book of the Old Testament.

that's the name people gave it but according to true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) it's the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures from Genesis to Malachi and the Christian Greek Scriptures from Matthew to Revelations!

Maynman:
When next you call the god of isreal be specific, there are many gods there.

Those settlers in Israel aren't worshiping the God of Israel as long as they don't believe in Jesus!
Know that first!
They are worshiping DEMONS. Only the JWs in that country are worshiping the God of Israel!

Maynman:
Right.. so don’t tell anyone to believe blindly by faith. They need reasons to believe and maybe some faith. Why are then the Christians using Torah? And the Torah is meant for unbelieving Jews?

You're just running round the circus my friend!
There is nothing called Torah in God's plan it's unbelieving Jews that's using it as a cover up for their unbelief. God inspired different writers so that at His own proper time all the books could be compiled for the benefit of true believers. That's why judaists can't benefits from their Judaism like Christians are doing globally today!

Maynman:
88% of the citizen in isreal is Judaist. We also have other part like Islam 14%. Christianity is the smallest 2%. There government is Judaism, been blessed with a good economy by the Judaist god.
So tell me how are you better than an average citizen in isreal that practices Judaism.. your country that practices Christianity and Islam can you compare?

Funny atheists!
Is it now about the economy in any country?
Well there's no country practicing what is written in either mosaic laws, Qur'an or Christ taught. So politics is all about the people and their exposure!

Maynman:
So don’t go about saying we should believe by faith alone, you go around and say we should believe by faith and reason.
Why are you using the Torah meant for the Judaist?

Have you ever listened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES preaching before?
We are not misinformed Churchgoers whose faith is blind and dead, our own faith is working out BENEFITS in our midst!
As for Torah i have told you that unbelieving Jews are using it as an excuse to shy away from reality, God's word did not start with Torah and it will never end in Torah!

Maynman:
Yes the Judaist god is working in isreal. Which benefit are you enjoying in Nigeria that they are not in Israel?

You're missing out on what we're discussing.
Jews who are Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel are also enjoying whatever the government in Israel can provide just as judaists in Nigeria will also enjoy whatever the Nigerian government can provide here in Nigeria.
But in the midst of fellow believers a JWs have lots of benefits that judaists can never have!

Maynman:
So why then do you want me to believe? You just said it here that you believe because of… and you gave reasons.
Why then do you just want me to Simply believe?

My friend, i said "find out the benefits then decide for yourself if it worth believing in Jesus of Nazareth"

Mind you only Jehovah's Witnesses are believers in Jesus of Nazareth not just misinformed Churchgoers, so it's the benefits that i will tell you not just blind beliefs! :

Maynman:
3% of Jews are worshippers of the Christian god majority are Judaist using Torah and worshipping Judaist god.

I'm not disputing their quantity but the quality of faith is what i go for Sir.
They're not enjoying the benefits of pure worship, that's what i'm saying!

Maynman:
If it’s only belief you need, why don’t you belief the Muslim god and the Judaist god? And you are not answering my questions

I have answered you several times but you've been programed by atheists to think it's blind beliefs.
I said "the benefits of pure worship i found in the midst of true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) can't be found anywhere else"

Do you now see the reasons why i believe?

Maynman:
The Jews practicing Judaism are in ISREAL currently, do you understand now?

And there are Jews who are Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel as well.
But where the love i will will enjoy among JWs is certain even a Jew in Israel can't enjoy such love! John 13:34-35

Do you now see that they've derailed from the path of pure worship?

Maynman:
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The first 5 book of the Bible came from Torah. Bible copied Torah. You get now? You are the one using their book.
Since you are the one using their book we are gonna apply the bolded to Christianity.

I have told you that you can believe whatever you want as long as i am enjoying the benefits of pure worship I'm less concerned with whatever you choose to believe!

Maynman:
The Jews are in Israel practicing Judaism, the Judaist god. What are you enjoying in Nigeria that they are not in Israel?

Well i am enjoying a warm and lovely brotherhood of believers from different tribes in this country while they can only relate with their immediately families.
They can't travel outside their country and expect a warm welcome from people who never knew them before in the name of their God while i will travel to any country including Israel and Jehovah's Witnesses who are Jews will welcome me like their blood brother but Jews practicing Judaism can't enjoy such even in the midst of their own people!

Maynman:
Here you go quoting Torah again, are you sure you are not a Judaist?

Judaists are using our book but they can never get it's benefits!
It's like a tailor reading a book written for the purpose of training mechanical engineers, do you think such a tailor can ever design a car?
Not when he stubbornly refuse to humble himself and learn from the Mechanical engineers who understands what's in the book!
So Judaists may read our book thinking it belongs to them but ask them for it's benefits, of course it will forever remain just a book in their hands while Jehovah's Witnesses are using it to resolve all the racial disparities among many people throughout the earth! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Maynman:
So you agree that the Jews use the Torah? And the Torah is the first 5 book of the Bible?
You are not under Torah yet that’s what make up the Bible, you are contradicting yourself sir.

Where did Christianity come from? The same Jew people again, this Jews practice so many gods. God of Judaism and now another god of Christianity.

You may choose whatever you wish to believe it's none of my business, if you want to know something you need to be sincere with yourself.
I have told you why i believe in the God of Israel and the benefits i'm enjoying till now, the so called Jews practicing Judaism can't enjoy the benefits i'm enjoying today, why? Because they've derailed from the path of pure worship.

Do Jews have families throughout the earth who will welcome them in any country just because they're worshipers of the true God?
Well i have Jehovah's Witnesses doing that today everywhere i go {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and it's like we are all speaking the same language because there is understanding in our gathering {Zephaniah 3:9} for your information that's what Jesus promised Jews who keeps to God's program while unfaithful Jews were gnashing their teeth at him.
So where are the Jews and their God today?
Well come and see the God of Jehovah's Witnesses doing wonders as His worshipers are enjoying the benefits of pure worship as Jesus promised us! Mark 10:28-31

Maynman:
You are not been sincere with the definition of Torah and you know. Torah means the first 5 books of the Bible right? Bible means collection of books. Who uses the Torah? The Judaist god is the same as the Christian god?

Judaists have derailed from the path of pure worship!
It's a progressive development not static.
God never gave Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph those laws and they were his beloved worshipers.
So how come you now think people must keep what is in those laws before they can worship that same God?
The TORAH was written not for worshiper of God to keep to time indefinite rather it was given to the nation of Israel as a guide until the arrival of the Christ, so it's the Christ that will come and establish what is permanent not the TORAH!

Maynman:
Ooh so out of all the “Israelite tribe” it was the Jew tribe that was worthy to be written in Torah? And Torah is for Judaism(Jews), Just as allah wrote his own in arabic for Arabs, Zeus wrote his own in Greek . Well Who created those laws in Torah for who?

We are no longer under Torah that's why those using Torah today aren't achieving anything positive because that's not what God wanted people to practice today!

Maynman:
Bro you still haven’t mentioned the definition of Torah and who uses it? Is it that hard? Which god was given Moses those laws? Judaist god or Christian god?
The first 5 book where you are quoting all this BS is gotten from Judaism.. Bible literally means collection of books.

Torah simply means the books written by Moses, the ones the God of Abraham inspired Moses to pen down!

Today i call Him "God of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Remember that it's this same God that walked with Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob none of them practiced Judaism Sir?

So the laws God gave Moses was for a reason and after that has been accomplished it's no longer needed by worshipers of that same God. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all worshiped this same God without those laws given to Moses so know today that those laws were added for a purpose and after it's accomplishment it's no longer in use today among the worshipers of that same God!

Maynman:
You are the only one lying.. what’s the definition of Torah. Who wrote it and where is it used.. tell yourself the truth and hope you have not forgotten that Bible literally means collection of books?
Bible and Torah was also written in Hebrew, guess which region uses that language?

The language used in writing a message doesn't count my guy.
The Chinese today are leading in the manufacturing of electronic house equipments, everything they did in their factories were done in Chinese it's only when they're marketing it that they consider the buyer's language.
So the language in which the Bible was written has nothing to do with the message in it, what really matters is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what was written and it's BENEFITS.
If there's no benefits then there's no reason to keep it.
Jesus' teachings has brought lots and lots of BENEFITS to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today globally that's why we believe in him!

Maynman:
Where did I say Moses established Judaism? You said Moses created laws, those laws are called Torah and the first 5 book of the Bible, and they belong to Judaism.
Tell me again what’s the definition of the Torah?

I never said Moses CREATED the Torah Sir!

I said it was the laws God gave the Israelites through his prophet Moses so the Israelites thought their God will continue to put up with their unbelief but after they discovered that He is no longer putting up with their faithlessness they divided against themselves each sect picking what soothes them.
Go and check the map then compare to what was written in the Bible you will find out that all their lands are gone the settlers living in Israel today claiming Jews are not the original Jews!

But all that is just aside what matters that after Jesus' coming and the nation as a whole rejected him their God disowned them and only Jesus' followers were accepted as worshipers of the God of Abraham.

The books of Moses was given to the Israelites as a guide until the coming of Christ note that their God never asked them to widen out not until Jesus came to establish the new covenant which allows for people from other nations to join in worshiping the God of Israel as officiating priests in the spiritual temple of the God of Israel!

Maynman:
All what you said is gotten from Torah, the Torah belongs to Judaism.

That's a lie Sir!
They restricted themselves to that part of God's plan simply because they don't want to accept other nations as worshipers of the God of Abraham.
Those words were written for all the tribes of Israel not only Jews Sir!

Maynman:
Where did you get this definition of Torah?
Have you forgotten old and New Testament?
First 5 book of the Bible is called Torah. And it’s for Judaism. Only the New Testament is for the Christian. The Old Testament is for Judaism. Jesus was Jew when was he alive, that goes to show how far this religion has been around before this Christian god copied it.
And as you said in Judaism Which “God” was given Moses laws? The Judaist god or Christian god?

Judaism is not what Moses established, if you want to learn humble yourself and learn!

Judaism came after Jews separated themselves from Samaritans and established another religion totally different from what Moses taught them that's why it's called Judaism (meaning the religion of Jews in Judea) that's why Samaritans disagreed with them.
For your information there are 12 tribes in Israel and only two (Judah and Benjamin) formed Judaism while the remaining ten tribes of Israel were referred to as Samaritans!

Jesus is not the God of Christianity so humble yourself and learn!