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budaatum:
First, a simple research of the ops so called evidence shows its spurious second hand information that has been repeatedly debunked, as you'd find if you do a titsy bit of unbiased searching, which is to be expected of the intelligent who use their own minds instead of stupidly believing whatever suits their bias.

Secondly, if 20% of JWs are Masons, Emusan, they'd take over the entire JW! In fact, just 3% of Masons will take over the entire JW organisation and everyone outside would know of it because JW won't be the JW you know.

JW to Freemasonry, is like, Islam to Oyedepo. And while I'm not certain Oyedepo might not one day preach from the Quran or the entire JW top body promote Freemason for that matter, I doubt very much that Masons would ever preach JW as it just completely opposes Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is an organisation that grew out of the organising of builders of buildings that could take up to 500 years or more, so you might perhaps see how some might adopt some of its ideas into organising their organisations regardless of your god, which is why they adopt GADU to cover everyone. Masons will tell you the work is plenty and the builders are few so it would be stupid to exclude anyone who can build just because they turn East and you turn West, while JWs requires ready to die loyalty to the Tower.

Anyway. There is a reason you and I discuss as little as we do despite us both being very active on here, but God made you quote buda so much in this thread for rectification. Amen.

As to "having my free time here", please accept buda's sincerest encouragement to enjoy your free time.

22jumpstreet:
Lol
The universal divine consciousness...
Eledumare to the yoruba
Chukwu to the igbos
Osanobua to the benin
Marduk to the babylonian
Brahma to the Indians
Hashem to the jews
Abasi to the akwaiboms.
One indivisible omni potent God .....Deuteronomy 6:4.
Allah is probably the moon god
Shiva is also a goddess of wisdom
Both represents two principles of nature. Which the Bible refers to as the " sons of God "

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Your definition of GOD is only limited to what you know about the God of the bible.
A simple research into ancient history, and you would have been exposed to his true identity.
He is also known as the DEMIURGE or ENLIL (from ancient Sumeria/Mesopotamia).
He is NOT the INFINITE MIND behind the universe.
He gets angry, has sponsored countless genocides, is jealous, is backing a CULT, picks sides, prefers his adherents to be gullible and indoctrinated.
And just like I have said before, he is just a creation of our minds, to explain away the things we don't understand.
But there is an INFINITE MIND behind every single thing.
It is neither a he nor she, and dwells deep inside every single person no matter your religion nor race - we are all equal.
So if you are calling someone an Atheist because they don't believe in the literal God of the Bible, then the joke is on you.
Go and read about these ancient cuneiform tablets from ancient Mesopotamia :
1. The Enuma Elish and
2. The Attrahasis.
Until you do this research, you never understand what I have said so far.
Cheers.

cornelboy:
Like i didn't know where to start with him.
I just had to start with those questions.
You believe in a God that created a very unique earth but you don't believe He can control it or do the supernatural/miracles.
Is the earth not a miracle itself?

22jumpstreet:
The child has been born, already, he was already 6 years old when Isaiah was prophesying.
He is future king Hezekiah...
Jehovah God calls him the prince of peace. This is the original Hebrew translation. Check verses 5 and 6.

budaatum:
Answer to Are there Jehovah's Witnesses who are Freemasons? by Shawn Bell
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-Jehovahs-Witnesses-who-are-Freemasons/answer/Shawn-Bell
Charles Taze Russell's Use of Masonic symbolism
Some have claimed that various symbols Russell employed in his published literature are Masonic in nature, and that such associations implied he engaged in occult activity. In later editions of the Studies in the Scriptures series a winged solar disk was stamped on the front cover, a symbol that is also associated with Freemasonry.
However, Russell's use of the winged solar-disk originated from his understanding of Malachi 4:2, which denotes a sun with wings, as a symbol that Christ's millennial Kingdom had begun to emerge. Some critics also claim that the pyramid that stood near Russell's gravesite was Masonic because of its shape and its use of the Cross and Crown symbol, although this remains disputed. The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon has said that Russell was not a Freemason, and notes that the symbols pre-date the fraternity.
In June 1913, during a transcontinental speaking tour, Russell lectured in a Masonic hall in San Francisco, saying:
Although I have never been a Mason ... Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don't know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don't know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally.
Throughout his ministry he said that he believed Christian identity is incompatible with Freemasonry. He described Freemasonry, Knights of Pythias, Theosophy, and other such groups as "grievous evils" and "unclean".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fmCqOB1SFE

Emusan:
I don't think he claimed ordinary JWs like MaxinDHouse is a member of Freemason, in fact, Courz made a statement at the second page of this thread that an average JWs aren't Freemason but about 20% are and the OP specifically stated that some Governing Body are which is very clear that these are about individuals. So what I don't get in this whole thing is how you Budaatum change the narration to the WHOLE BODY
Sorry for that, just having my free time here

cornelboy:
Which of the creator, eledumare of the yorubas, Allah God of Muslims, Budda, Shiva, Jehovah God of Israel?

cornelboy:
So do you think it is the Jehovah God of the Bible that created the universe?

Emusan:
Stop attaching "intelligence" to your officer because it doesn't worth it
I didn't say I don't know anything about Freemasons but I'm not here for Freemasons, how is that so hard for you to comprehend?
Fake intelligent officer
It's probably you're dismissed from your military work because your intelligence is too low for such profession
I'm just laughing at your ignorance about Budaatum post, Budaatum post isn't dismissing all the evidences the OP put forth in fact, carefully examine Budaatum statement you'll see where he said "That is however not to say individual JWs can not be Freemasons, but we don't do religion in the Lodge."
If you understand this statement very well, then you won't be using Budaatum as your yardstick.Learn....

budaatum:
And the answer is, JWs are insufficiently knowledgeable to be tied to Freemasons.
But if you happen to know different do please inform us.

Emusan:
Where did you see KNOW in my post
You can't just stop displaying this character of your father the devil I know you lack simple comprehension and need to be spoonfeed. Now we're back to my early post. The subject matter is "Are Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons?"

Emusan:
But that's what I actually saw
Which I did, do you?
See the person who is having sleepless night on Nairaland by jumping from thread to thread
So you even know JWs have critics but are you also a critic of anyone?
Thanks the judge, at least you can't deny that Budaatum is your yardstick now
Now your mouth has uttered this that Budaatum is FOR THE TRUTH, that means not only you have the truth
To you Budaatum is your yardstick and for me I'm not here for Freemasons

Emusan:
No! I'm here to see people's opinions on the subject matter

22jumpstreet:
Go chop shit abeg..
Stop mixing them..
The son in 7:14 is isaiahs son.
The son in 9:6 is king Hezekiah.
Got it now?

22jumpstreet:
The child has already been born when Isaiah was prophesying...it CANT be jesus

22jumpstreet:
Olodo..there are two people in that story. Jehovah and the child. Jehovah calls the child who happens to be the future king Hezekiah the prince of peace....

cornelboy:
How did you know that God created the heaven and the earth in the beginning?
Can you prove it?
Who saw Him create the heaven and earth?

22jumpstreet:
The child has already been born when Isaiah was prophesying...it CANT be jesus

22jumpstreet:
In (Isaiah) 9:6..God is the wonderful counselor, mighty God....that is jehovah.

22jumpstreet:
Olodo...how does it make it true?

22jumpstreet:
What are you blabbing..start from verse 1 of chapter 7, Syria and the northern kingdom aligned together to go to the southern kingdom and change the king and put an ally there..king ahaz was afraid and God sent Isaiah to assure him that their plan will not come to pass. In other to assure him God gave him the sign of awoman with child, she will call the child Immanuel meaning God with us. So God was with him...
Read 15 and 16....
Stop taking text out of context...
In 9:6, the child has already been born...
I don't know where you got the idea it is about Jesus..

22jumpstreet:
Of course, the universe has a creator, but you see that Jesus...my dear he is just a character in a story...he is just a myth..forget what they said he said.....who heard him say those things...?

22jumpstreet:
Common, you get sense pass like that. No put yourself for MaxInDHouse level...

They have their king who always comes from the tribe of Judah.. so somebody who is not from that tribe can't be a Messiah...
It is their story....I am only interpreting context...

22jumpstreet:
Man is made from dust..
God canot be dust.....God is the creator, he can't be part of creation...
It is not rocket science..

haekymbahd:
This is only your interpretation not what Jesus said there is no evidence to prove they were all adulterers . So you mean if there is no adulterer among them she should be stoned.

John 8
7 However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.

Why didn't Jesus stone her since he was not an adulterer?

Emusan:
That's why I said earlier that Budaatum is your yardstick
Can you see you're not that intelligent?

Emusan:
You don't know anything but you're parading in this thread even bringing irrelevant post to deviate from the OP
Well if you don't know anything about Freemasons, this thread is enlighten enough
If you're very intelligent as you usually claim, you'll know I didn't quote you based on topic of discussion but your by force attachee to name "CHRISTIAN" you and your organization claimed to be polluted and hated by Jehovah
And I don't remember giving you any contract agreement to sign, or do I?
How will you know what I quoted you for when you're not that intelligent?
Twisted lying liar mouth

haekymbahd:
Why didn't Jesus/God condemn or stone the adulterer was he also a sinner?
If Jesus didn't condemn the adulterer then who will condemn her or is adultery legal I'm confused.

KnownUnknown:
Allegory and metaphors. Got it.
Allegorical. Got it.
Now it’s no longer allegorical?
It’s literally about the specialness of the Jews now?
You called a miracle is allegorical earlier and defined God as being “within us”.
How can you stake all positions at once?!

22jumpstreet:
That is 9:6..
7:14 is about king Ahaz.
In 9:6..God is the wonderful counselor, mighty God....that is jehovah.
Jehovah calls future king Hezekiah "the prince of peace".
It is not a messianic prophesy.
You don't really know anything...do you

Emusan:
Now you confirm for yourself that, I didn't quote ONLY you
Copy that!

Emusan:
Even your other brothers here know that I discussed with many people on religion section not ONLY JWs.
Just because you're a baby on Nairaland doesn't mean small background search should be difficult for you.
How come you're asking me about Ukraine?

Emusan:
You will never stop lying
So you're the ONLY one I quote on this thread
Much more for Mr intelligence
I did! It's like you forgot your glass
So far, you're the liar here!
Then I can say you're too old for this ageless lies

Emusan:
I have discussed with many people on this forum on different topics at different sections.
I'm not like you who have no life outside Nairaland and stuck on religion section only.
That means you're not intelligent before you join JWs despite making mouth about being an intelligent officer.

Emusan:
No! I'm here to see people's opinions on the subject matter

Emusan:
When did I tell you I have a favorite group

cornelboy:
Oh you don't believe Moses parted the red sea with a staff?
Which names are Mathew and John?
Was it roman or Greek or both?
Did God already give them the Messiah?
Can God do miracles?