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Maynman:

You are wrong..
The Christian god copied from Judaism. The Arab god copied from Judaism. What’s Torah? What do Judaism say about Jesus?
I think the Arab god copied more accurately than the sloppy Christian god.

You're just deceiving yourself!
Jesus is a Jew so it is the continuity of what their God promised not something totally different like Arabs claiming they have anything to do with the God of Israel!
This is where Moses promised the Israelites that Jesus is coming to establish a new covenant:


The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die." The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Peter (a Christian) said:

For Moses said, ’The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Act 3:22

Now go and present what i quoted from Deuteronomy (Moses's own writings) to any Jew then ask him if such a prophet has come or when will he come?
Is it now that the nation has been scattered throughout the earth that they can figure out a prophet like that?
Sorry my friend, if you want to learn just calm down and learn there's nothing to argue about Jesus of Nazareth!

Maynman:
The god of Judaism said this, god of Quran said this, your own god said it. Who do we believe? And are you quoting Torah now?

Guy, that is not TORAH!
Torah simply means the laws Moses penned down and for your information ten Israelites tribes only believe it while they rejected all the other books written by other prophets that's why the Jews look down Samaritans.
It's Isaiah and Micah that penned down those words and only Jesus Christ of Nazareth came to establish something of that nature that's why i believe in Jesus of Nazareth!

Maynman:
Have you forgotten that all the claim you said was borrowed from Torah, that’s Judaism?
So those quran claims are from Torah, what do Judaism have to say about Jesus lol?
And You also forgot to add other claims. The Quran also said Jesus is just a messenger of god and Jesus didn’t die, rather it was Judas that died.

The question you are asking is from Torah, are you saying the judaist god is the same as Christian god?

OK you're just interested in blind arguments so go and study well before coming to argue about faith in God, even your professors in atheism know that there is no God of Quran apart from what the Arabian guy muhammad copied from the Bible!

Maynman:
I can see the cars and the jets they produced. I don’t need to SIMPLY believe it, I have reasons (I saw cars with my eyes) to believe it. Try harder

Exactly what i'm saying!
I can see people living around me and how they easily get provoked into carrying weapons and killing one another at the order of their elected leaders, and i can see Jehovah's Witnesses who are from different races throughout the earth trained by the God of the Bible never to raise weapons against their fellowman.
So what else do you think i need to believe in the God who promised such a global family of peace loving worshipers?

Maynman:
Ooh so you check the reasonableness of the authors? You check the validity of the Quran and confirmed it was bad? Why don’t we check the validity of Bible too? Why are you asking me not to question those that wrote Bible, but here you are questioning those that wrote Quran? Why don’t you just simply believe?
Can you show me where allah said the god of Israel has abandoned them because in that same Quran, allah said other gods including the Christian or Judaism god is false and it will lead them to sin.
How did you know all what Quran said is misconception? How did you know?

You're just joking my friend because the God of Qur'an claimed that he was behind Moses who conquered Pharaoh of Egypt, it claimed that it was the God who breath into Maryam to get pregnant and give birth to Jesus.
So when the God of Qur'an is making claims it always refer to all the ancient servants of God who are ISRAELITES!

I asked you a question but it seems you never noticed it so i'll ask you again:

Is there any other God that has promised a global family of peace loving worshipers who will come from different races throughout the earth and resolve all their differences without raising weapons against one another? Isaiah 2:2-4
Perhaps you don't know, let me tell you that that's what the world need today not some gods that's just telling stories having no practical benefits for us today!

Maynman:
But you didn’t exist 2000 years ago, so how did you know this man existed and taught this thing? Show me what we can see that he taught?
If I need to know how a plane works even though it was created years ago before I was born.. I don’t need to simply believe, I’ll only go and learn about it with visible parts and tools then I’ll agree that someone really invented this. Can you find the same examples in which we can test it today to confirm that it was your Israelite god and not the Arabic god that invented it?

Have you met with the Wright Brothers?
Were you alive when Carl Benz lived?

You board flights and ride cars without knowing those people and here you are arguing about seeing something before believing in the things you can see working perfectly around you.
Why do you guys like deceiving yourselves?

Maynman:
First of all the god in the Quran said all other gods including the Israelite god is false too.
You don’t know how those book were collected and you simply believe it, why don’t you also simply believe Quran that also talked about what the Bible said and if not even more, don’t question the history or those that wrote Quran Just believe it since we shouldn’t question it according to the bolded..

Guy, i was a Muslim so i know what is contained in both books and the reasonableness of both author.
Meanwhile the God of the Qur'an never claim that the God of the Bible is fake rather what he said is that the God of Israel has abandoned that nation and chosen another nation that's doing what he required.
So humble yourself and learn, you're not chatting with a baby religionist who only believe what he was told.
For your information the God of the Quran never promised anything unique, all what it's saying is heaven or hell a misconception!

Maynman:
Beautiful, next time tell people that you didn’t believe god my faith alone, that you also needed reasons to believe.
What’s the evidence that it was Bible that was right and not the other books? You know Bible literally means collection of books, how was the book selected and collected to form Bible(collection of books) what criteria did they use? Canon? What’s canon? Who determines what is a canonical book? The authors that they accepted their books into the “Bible” did you know them?
What’s Torah? Did Christianity borrow/collect any books from Judaism? What did Judaism say about Jesus?
The same way your god prove himself to only the isrealites, can you also believe allah prove himself to the Arabs too? Or are you saying Jehovah and allah are the same? give us “reasons to believe” and not just “believe by faith” why your book contain the real stories.

You surely just didn’t believe the Bible, give me visible reasons why you chose to believe only the stories collected by some people and termed “Bible” in English.

First of all the God of the Bible said all others claiming Gods are fallen angels (demons) and i have told you why i believe the God of the Bible.
How those books were collected, who wrote them, who agreed on the selection or why call it Bible is not important now Sir.
What really matters is that the book talked about what will happen today and it's happening exactly as it was written in that book. Moreover the Bible said people will come from different races throughout the earth to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers and it's so.
Do you think i need to start asking questions about who invented the aeroplane, how it was fueled, how it was manufactured before i board a flight?
My friend, just humble yourself and learn.
The Bible has proved to be more than just a book because there's more to it than just what people like you think about books!

Maynman:
Exactly. you saw the ability of the plane to fly then you believed, not that you didn’t see the plane fly and believed. They saw it and have reasons. So it’s impossible to believe anything by faith alone, you need to have reasons..

Good!
Now we are here talking about a man who lived over 2000 years ago, he taught so many things and today all the things he taught is working perfectly as he said it.
How do you expect me to agree with anyone that such a teacher whose teaching is at work today never existed?

Maynman:
You can’t just “believe” alone. You also didn’t “believe” what he said because you have your reasons.

After seeing how the aeroplane carried people from one place to another successfully do you think there's REASONS to doubt it's ability to carry you from one country to another across the ocean?

Maynman:
Exactly.. so you did not believe Jesus by just faith alone you had other REASONS. Why do you now tell unbelievers of this your god to believe with just faith? So give me this visible reasons why I should believe in your god and not the other thousand gods? The other thousand gods also lay claims to what you said, show me visible evidence that it is the god of the Israelite and not the god of the arabs or Zeus.

I really love doing this!

Now this are the reasons why i believe in the God of Israel:

First of all the Gods people worship throughout the world there's little or no talks about
©How we got here?
©Why life is filled with troubles?
©Why we grow old, get sick and die?
©Why mankind always fail in politics?
©How mankind can find true peace?

Of course all other Gods have stories to tell and their adherents are trying when it comes to morals and virtues, but the above questions can't be answered by any of these Gods only the God of Israel answered all these questions in His message to mankind called "Bible"

But that's not the major reason why i forsake the Gods of my forefathers for the God of Israel. Apart from giving answers to all these questions the God of Israel made certain promises that no other God talked about and He is fulfilled it today!

For instance, the God of Israel told us how He confused the language of the earth {Genesis 11:6-9} in that Bible chapter the God of Israel laid undeniable facts why He confused the language of mankind by saying "they want to build a city and stay in just one part of their planet home" whereas He purposed they live in all the parts of the planet! Genesis 1:28
So by confusing their language they were forced to scatter so that it's only those who can UNDERSTAND each other that moved towards the same direction!

Now note that i highlighted the word "UNDERSTAND", because that's another reason why i believe in the God of Israel.
During the time He created the earth, parted the sea and all other stuffs like that i wasn't there so there's no reason for me to believe in all that yet, but why do i believe today?

Well this same God who claimed He confused the language of the earth now said He wants to reunite people throughout the earth so that they will UNDERSTAND one another and live like one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

My friend do you think any of the Gods can do that?
Well the God of Israel is doing it today!
He decided to call His own worshipers by a unique group name that will show all other Gods that indeed He is the one and only true God!

The God of Israel is known as "JEHOVAH" and throughout this planet He is gathering people in millions so that they're now known globally like one family. They are called "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

There is this undeniable evidence of their God in the sense that while all other Gods failed to settle issues amidst their worshipers JEHOVAH has settled all the racial disparities among His own worshipers so that they've vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again. Whereas worshipers of all other Gods are killing one another due to racism and politics! Revelations 6:3-4

Do you now see the REASONS why i believe in all the things written in the book the God of Israel sent to me?

Steep:
It is satan that is guiding your organization.
Micheal is angel of Jesus christ. Jesus is Jehovah.

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18
If the one and only organization that successfully erased politics, military and use of weapons against our fellowman belongs to Satan i wonder what Jesus' disciples (Christians) are expected to do for Prince of Peace! James 2:18-26

22jumpstreet:
Don't worry yourself about it
When God's time comes he will accomish it, through his appointed Messiah..
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/videos/six-reasons-why-jews-don-t-believe-in-jesus

Nobody is forcing anyone here it's either you BELIEVE what is WORKING out or keep waiting for uncertainty!

Maynman:
So that means you did not have faith in god, you believe god for a reason not because you have faith, so why do you want me to just have faith by believing without investigating, you yourself didn’t just believe.
If it’s only faith and belief I need, I’ll believe all religions.

When Jesus came to establish pure worship on earth he gave his disciples REASONS both visible and expected FRUIT as evidence of true FAITH.
The VISIBLE!
The Israelites were used to miraculous signs since the birth of that nation in Egypt where their God used a powerful hand to release them from Egypt and ever since then this nation has had series of miraculous works through the hands of many of their own people used by their God to guide them until the arrival of the promised Messiah whom Moses foretold will teach them something of higher value than the laws! Deuteronomy 18:15-19
So the Israelites were in constant expectation of this great prophet that's why Jesus told his disciples that the miraculous signs he was performing is for a REASON! John 4:48

The EXPECTED FRUIT!
Despite all the miraculous works Jesus performed many Jews did not believe him, in fact Jesus had to remind John the baptist what he should look out for as confirmation that he (Jesus) is the expected Messiah {Matthew 11:3-6} but after some time Christianity will be taken to other lands where God made no covenant with the inhabitants so miracles will no longer function as a REASON to BELIEVE so what will help honest hearted and sincere individuals to believe in the God of Abraham?
Jesus' answer
When discussing about salvation with his faithful disciples Jesus told them so many things that they begin to fear saying "who can be saved" {Mark 10:26} Jesus assured them that with God there is possibility for salvation {Mark 10:27} but then how can ordinary man know the congregation of holy ones?
How can we IDENTIFY the group having God's presence in their midst?
Jesus told his disciples that they must leave everything behind them if they truly want to be saved {Luke 9:62} then there is what we are to EXPECT as the result of true FAITH after we have left everything behind:


Peter began to say to him: “Look! We have left all things and followed you.” Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life". Mark 10:28-30

So according to Jesus Christ the REASON why we should believe today is when we are seeing that God is bringing people from all the earth together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, where they have settled all their racial disparities, divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, stop politics and military services and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} this is the EXPECTED FRUIT of true FAITH which no religion can produce if they don't have God's backing! Matthew 7:16-18

So Jesus' response didn't end there but goes ahead saying after you have gotten this stay with the holy ones because you are already on the road to everlasting life! Mark 10:30
May you have PEACE!

MindHacker9009:
When did the RATURE take place?
Matthew 24
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

These verses were misquoted by misinformed Churchgoers, they assume Jesus was talking about TAKING away righteous people from the earth whereas Jesus was talking about the time when an angel will come down to mark people for salvation, then other angels that will follow up are to destroy anyone who is not marked. The marking is a symbol that this individual is living by Jesus' teachings so those Christians living double standards will be left while those doing God's will will be marked (taken)

As for what misinformed Churchgoers are calling "RAPTURE" it's a spiritual transportation of born again Christians from the earth.
Where Churchgoers got it wrong is by assuming all Christians must be BORN AGAIN whereas it's only those that are to rule with Jesus Christ in heaven that will be CHOSEN by his father so there's no written or known criteria for being BORN AGAIN, all Christians must be baptized in water but only God will baptize those who are to rule with Christ with the Holy Spirit! Matthew 20:20-23

So don't get it twisted by misinformed Churchgoers ideology few Christians who are BORN AGAIN will die and resurrect as spirits (angels) to join Jesus in heaven as his co-rulers {Matthew 5:3} while other Christians along with ancient servants of God will be here on earth to renovate the planet and live forever on it! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7; Isaiah 65:21-23

Image123:
You're talking gibberish, is that what you read in Awake?

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16
If the above or it's practical application sounds like GIBBERISH to you then Jesus is right about those who honor him with their lips but their hearts are far removed from him! Matthew 15:8-9

Image123:
In summary you don't love God, right? Because if you knew God, you would love me but you are JWICKEDNESS, you can't love me or God. You only love your organization.

All your brothers in the faith from Russia are in the Russian army killing fellow believers in Ukraine, but JWICKEDNESS refused to support Putin's wickedness.
Just as a wise man said:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Jesus said:

By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16

There are many trees in the forest and someone may mistake a mango tree for orange tree. So to distinguish between the true and false we need to IDENTIFY the expected FRUIT of the good tree. Then whenever we see any tree no matter good looking it's appearance once it's unable to produce the expected FRUIT then it's fake or bad tree!

MindHacker9009:
If you don't believe in the RAPTURE then you are not a Christian.
Matthew 24
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming.

They will be taken, to where?

Instead of studying the Bible with the true Christians to have the accurate knowledge of God's word you're following misinformed Churchgoers ideology and here you are trying to argue about who is or not a Christian.
This is hilarious!

MindHacker9009:
When rapture happens who on nairaland would you like to come with you?

For me if these guys below are coming then dam it I will tell Jesus to count me out.

1. @MaxInDHouse
2. @JesusJunior
3. @Dtruthspeaker
4. @MrPresident1
5. @OpenYourEyes1
More to be added

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Well the word "RAPTURE" is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
And as for those going to heaven to rule as kings with Jesus, they must die first before they can be transformed into spirits so nobody can see them when they're leaving the earth because they will not be visible to anyone.
From my study of God's word, i'm not one of them because my own portion in God's plan is everlasting life on planet earth! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22
Whereas those going to heaven will live there like angels! Luke 20:34-36

Courz:
I knew he wouldn't answer. Questions like these are complicated for them to answer and make their brains freeze. He has been boxed into a corner. He doesn't know what to say. These are NOT the kind of questions they train them to answer at their Theocratic ministry school. Because they have been programmed like Robots, they have no other option than to go into Fake righteousness mode. These JW bots that have been justifying their cult in this topic have done a terrible job representing them. Their fellow JW reading this must be proud.

When your questions aren't motivated by sincerity then you can't expect a follower of Jesus to bother answering you:

Then Pilate said to him: “Do you not hear how many things they are testifying against you?” but he did not answer him, no, not a word, so that the governor was very surprised! Matthew 27:13-14

With that the high priest stood up and said to him: “Do you say nothing in reply? What is it these men are testifying against you?” But Jesus kept silent. Matthew 26:62-63


Don't forget that we are trying to follow his footsteps as closely as possible. So hit your head on the wall because my response is not for you but for sincere followers who may be misled by your scrupulous lies!

I will only answer you directly if you're ready to answer my questions as well but since you dodge my own questions then it's not compulsory that i answer you as you wish!

fredwill1357:
My point is, since we know that the devil is the ruler of the world, and our world is filled with lot's of evil and cruelty and more will still follow. Why continue to still drag more humans into existence?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's a hard one Sir!

To be candid that's the major reason why Jesus didn't encourage his disciples to bear children because from all his messages it's clear that until God's Kingdom comes there is no future for the up coming generation!
In fact after listening carefully to his sermon his disciples said:
"it's not advisable to marry" Matthew 19:10

That's why many first century Jewish disciples who were yet to marry before accepting Christianity don't think it's wise to do so {1Corinthians 7:8} but because our flesh often demands the natural we are advised to marry not because we want to make babies but in other to avoid promiscuity! 1Corinthians 7:2

So true Christians who are mature don't have children again now because lots and lots of things may happen to their child whom most view as future investment today. Matthew 6:34

fredwill1357:
My own question is, was it worth it? The pain and horror she went through before her death and all her life could have been avoided if she was never brought into existence. Why are humans so obsessed with life? just because sex and food exist, most idiots in this world shout life is good. What is good about life? What really keeps the human race going is stupidity, selfishness and vain ness. On pure reason alone we shouldn't be existing.

According to God's only begotten Son this isn't the real life God planned for mankind, that's why Jesus referred to all humans as walking corpse {Luke 9:60} so whether you believe or you don't your life now is meaningless until God's kingdom come that's why Jesus told his followers to continue praying for God's Kingdom to come, it's only then that God's plan (will) for mankind will take place here just as it is in heaven! Matthew 6:10

petra1:
I think that was just about the position and title of KING. but not about leadership. MOSES was a leader Joshua was leader and all the judges were leaders and rulers before Samuel came

YES!
Those people were leaders not Kings as you well stated. But what exactly do you have today? Are they leaders or Kings?
Let us consider some facts:
Leaders like Moses until Samuel solely rely on God's commandments not what people say is good like democratic rules so.
They had no one running ahead and after them like Kings do! 1Samuel 8:11
They don't singlehandedly appoint ministers (co-rulers) over the people and task masters who will recruit soldiers among your sons to fight his own battle! 1Samuel 8:12
They don't employ cleaners, cooks and other domestic workers just for the pleasure of their own families! 1Samuel 8:13
They don't forcefully drive people away from their inheritance only to give their minister and friends! 1Samuel 8:14
They don't collect head taxes from their people simply because they want to maintain their co-rulers! 1Samuel 8:15
They don't have servants working for them only to be paid peanuts! 1Samuel 8:16
They don't demand what belongs to other people because they are the leaders! 1Samuel 8:17
They don't make life unbearable for the people to the point where the oppressed will weep and finally turn to protests! 1Samuel 1:18

Please after going through all what God's word listed above can you answer the simple question:
Is it LEADERS you have today or KINGS? Daniel 2:44

Steep:
Jesus is not one of God's spirit sons. There is nothing like spirit sons in the bible.. it is a word coined by watch to teach that Jesus is just one of the angels. That is a false teaching.
Imitating Jesus wouldn't give you eternal life.

Well for your information he (Jesus) is the same person the Bible calls Archangel Michael.


But if you think that's a lie please present the group that Jesus is leading today.
The Archangel Michael started guiding the Watchtower since the year 1914 and so far so good that is the one and only organization of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word globally all others don't have what it takes to preach and teach zealously like Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} and what's more?
They are fulfilling what God's Kingdom citizens were foretold to accomplish during the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1:3

All these achievements is due to the fact that they're able to work with Archangel Michael the one and only Jesus Christ! Daniel 12:1-3

All other religious groups will only continue arguing fruitlessly, they will never understand {Daniel 12:10} how only JWs are making it happen with just few people in each country across the globe yet their activities are felt globally! Matthew 5:13-16

May you have PEACE!

petra1:
God has always lead the world through rulers

Well my Bible tells me that God only promised His people Israelites a Messiah (Christ) so when they decided to ask for a human king instead of waiting patiently for God's anointed one (Christ) Samuel a man full of God's Holy Spirit wailed over such a bad decision and God said:

“Listen to everything the people say to you; for it is not you whom they have rejected, but it is I whom they have rejected as their king" 1Samuel 8:7

God's word further goes on to say:

LORD, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is not for them to direct their steps. Jeremiah 10:23


That's why the one and only anointed King from God could say:


"When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me " John 8:28

All other rulers often do things on their own so they keep making life miserable for their fellowman {Ecclesiastes 4:1;8:9} but God's anointed one (Jesus Christ) always do exactly what God asked him to do.

So God never created man to rule over man, for your information that's the meaning of the symbolic fruit God warned Adam and Eve not to eat in the garden. They can do everything else but they mustn't set standards for their fellowman and that's what your human rulers have been trying to do for thousands of years while it has always been a failure no matter the system of rule they could think of! Ecclesiastes 8:9
May you have PEACE!

Courz:
All these garbage is kindergarten talk! Go and read your bible ALONE to feed on real meat NOT Milk. You JWs are so far behind in the word of God. The only people impressed by your teachings are ignorant people with VERY LOW BIBLE KNOWLEDGE. How will you know bible when you are fed watchtower garbage 24/7? Instead of you to prove to me FROM THE BIBLE why your Cult attacks people that LEAVE, you're busy typing Robotic nonsense. Where does it say people who LEAVE JWs are leaving God and are Satanic agents? Where does it say ONLY JWs will be saved and everyone else will be destroyed? Show me where it says Families must be destroyed just because a member or members leave the cult? Show me!! Why can't you JWs converse like Normal humans who are knowledgeable? You all talk like kids. That's why Watchtower has you full blown adults watching Sophia and Caleb Cartoons!! They talk to you JWs like kids. They've turned your brains to Shaft!!

We are the one and only group that believes in love your neighbour as yourself {Mark 12:31} so that while others with ADVANCED BIBLE KNOWLEDGE are killing their neighbours even their so called brothers and sisters in the same faith we who are like kids have stayed clear from the blood of innocent people. Luke 18:16
With that we are pleased Sir!

Courz:
Are you sure You JWs embrace peace and shun War? I have posted JWs who have committed Murders. You JWs HATE WHISTLEBLOWERS. You call them agents of Satan. Anyone who leaves your cult has left God and is now a child of Satan. That's what you JWs believe in. Jesus says Love your enemies. Watchtower says Hate apostates. Apostate is the No 1 forbidden word in the JW Land. If it was allowed to kill and watchtower commands you JWs to kill Apostates, YOU WILL DO IT WITHOUT THINKING. They even declared War on Apostates in last year's broadcast. That's why they are seriously monitoring social media. If you are truly peaceful people, your cult will allow people leave WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES!!! They will allow people socialise with their families freely when they leave the cult. But No, they don't want that!! They MUST CAUSE TROUBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO LEAVE!! That's not a peaceful religion. That's very similar to the Talibans. Do you know that You JWs are NOT the only religion banned in Russia? One cult where the leader claimed to be Jesus Christ, Your Cult and some muslim sects were banned. Now why is it that? Because you JWs, the Jesus impersonator, and the muslim extremists have similar system of running your cult. Nobody wants such poison!
When you JWs say everybody who is NOT a JW will be destroyed at Armaggedon and ONLY JWs will be saved, how is that a quality of peaceful people? Doesn't that prove you JWs are bloodthirsty people and the demons you worship are the same too?

When i talk about being intelligent you get provoked
Well i'll enlighten you!
No ruler who wants to establish righteousness will not kill those who are hindering his government from functioning properly.
Jesus is the one coming to destroy all opposers of his peaceful government not JWs, we are only searching for lovers of peace and teaching them what they need to do in order to be on the side of the Prince of Peace.
So while we are shunning wars it doesn't mean we have no reason to get provoked like you people do and start picking up weapons to get justice on our own but we are obeying the Prince of Peace who promised to bring justice!

For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed ; the offspring of the wicked will perish. Psalms 37:28

So when we tell you what our God says don't think we're wishing you bad but we're only telling you what our God will do to all opposers of Godly peace! Ezekiel 3:17-19

Courz:
You say wetin? All these you typed is INTELLIGENCE to you? How old are you?

Old enough to know that no matter what you call a group it's meaningless as long as they're able to make all their members embrace peace and shun wars!

Courz:
Oh, so when people don't listen to you JWs, it means it has been foretold that would happen. But if more people were joining your cult, you will say it is the BACKING OF JEHOVAH!!! You will post many pics of people getting baptized. ABI? . Double speak!! Talking from both sides of the mouth!! Nobody gives a shit if you don't carry weapons. The Israelites in the bible were involved in Wars and killing people sanctioned by God himself. So that is not enough to identify as TRUE RELIGION. People ought to be thoroughly convinced you are in the ONE TRUE RELIGION. JWs shouldn't even LEAVE THE CULT. But they do. Nobody wants to join you. Something is wrong somewhere, don't you think? Look at what a Circuit Overseer told someone in the below pic. The numbers of people leaving is too depressing to publish. It is well known that publisher numbers have been cooked up to look good for you the sheep. That's right.

I post pictures of people getting baptized to show you that few are finding the narrow road despite how hard it is {Matthew 7:13-14} but as for the fact that God's people aren't involve in wars again it's due to the fact that God's word has been taken to the most distant parts of the earth and all lovers of God's word have settled all their racial disparities {Psalms 46:9} during the time God ordered His worshipers to kill enemies of pure worship it's because those people were making themselves hindrances to the establishment of pure worship.
Even Israelites were killed due to God's wrath whenever they mess up with pure worship.
But today lovers of pure worship {JWs) are in all the corners of the earth so which country do you think we should fight where we will not kill worshipers of our God?

That's where intelligence comes in Sir! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Courz:
What benefits are people seeing? Benefits known to JWs only perhaps? If there are benefits, why are millions of people refusing to join your cult? How many people give you listening ear during field service? I never knew Jehovah's witnesses are NOT up to a million in Nigeria. Over 220 million people in Naija against a miserly 324,464. And we are not excluding Unbaptised publishers. They have to count UNBAPTISED publishers because the number of overall baptised ones will be embarrassingly low. Isn't it strange that they DON'T publish the number of people that have left? They need high numbers to use to boast!
Over 17,000 people have left the cult between 2020 and 2021 in Nigeria. The numbers of JWs have been heavily padded because they have been boasting of 8.6 million members for years IN SPITE OF THE MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEFT and the many kingdom halls they have sold and keep selling in the western world. The baptism numbers are MAJORLY from JW children. It is well known that about 60 congregations were closed in Germany as a result of people leaving the Cult. JWs in the western world are waking up from the cult and leaving everyday! The average JW that just clocks 18 leaves the cult! Only in Africa that they carry the cult for head. Africans are always the LAST to know anything BUT it was surprising to see a huge reduction in this Service Year report in Africa! Africans are just waking up when they should have a long time ago. So please, what benefits are you talking about? Is it the Fake righteousness you put up? Is that the benefit?

God's word already foretold that many will reject the Good News even while they're seeing it's benefits.
For instance everyone is crying now over what is happening in Ukraine but nobody is asking "which God does those involved are worshiping?" Be rest assured that no JW from any nation throughout the world will carry weapons in support of any motion against his fellowman.
That alone is the greatest miracle of all times!