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fattprince:
Amen sir, thank you sir.
But as I said earlier, I'm deist. That means we believe in God but we believe he doesn't interfere with mortals like us therefore we don't believe in supernatural revelation. What I'm saying is that though the bible is one of the best book in history it was not from God so as the Quran. You can read the bible to help you navigate life but it isn't God's word has He has made providence for us to know he exist through nature. I understand your point sir, but I'm sorry I don't believe in end of time and all that.
You know how can we have hundreds of religion with each believing his own his the only genuine path. God is in your heart and everywhere. Just belief and you will find Him

OK you're a semi-atheist!
This is interesting!
Well it's impossible for you to believe in God without having contact with fellow believers like you, the word GOD connotes SUPREME BEING, you are a being just as others but the only evidence of your belief is how you're able to cohabit peacefully with fellow beings around you. In the absence of that you're an atheist!

Immanuel simply means "God is with us" that's why Apostle John started his gospel with this opening words:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. John 1:1
So just has God proved to be with his people through His representative Moses who was God, He also proved to be with them through Jesus who was God!

cornelboy:
Congratulations emusan the thread is at 50. Thanks for the accurate prediction

Please i'm supposed to be there for his prediction to be accurate!

cornelboy:
The guy doesn't want to know the truth. He's just peddling his frustration around nairaland.
I have been trying to show him how Mohammed is the worst prophet of all time.

Mohammed may be sent by a spirit but he is not from the God of Israel!

fattprince:
The works? normal works.
Like when I need money I know I've got to work to earn, i need a knowledge I look for the book or try to get info on it. But as you said you have to have faith that even with all the work, the results should be a favourable one. God already created all the answers we need in this earth no need disturbing him
He created beliefs, nature, logic, wisdom etc

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, i can see that you're sincere so i'll enlighten you on this.

The WORKS James is talking about doesn't mean normal works otherwise he wouldn't mention only faithful people because everyone works to feed themselves and their families.
The WORKS James is referring to here is what God is working towards so anyone who wants to work with him are doing His will.
God wants to restore sanity and peace to the earth that why Jesus came to establish this WORK {John 4:34} all doers of God's will must participate in this ongoing restoration WORK {Matthew 28:19-20} Jesus commissioned it in Israel and told his first century disciples to take it to the ends of the earth! Act 1:8

What will be the product of this WORK?
God's word answered that people from different races throughout the earth will come under one umbrella to examine God's word as one family, then they will settle all their racial disparities, divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials, then they will stop learning about wars rather they will continue to preach about peace globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is how God will gather all those who names will be written in the book of life {Revelations 20:15 compare to Malachi 3:16} before Jesus comes to destroy the rest who failed to subject themselves under this peaceful arrangement. Luke 19:27

So anyone may claim they have faith in God but failure to work with this arrangement makes them workers of lawlessness (iniquity) Matthew 7:21-23

May you have PEACE!

FatherOfJesus:
your church is also banned in Singapore

Countries don't want stupid people who wont accept well documented science but jargons in the Bible

Church of cancer

Sorry!
Pẹ̀lẹ́!

AntiChristian:
So Jesus did not walk with God like Moses so how was Jesus similar to Moses?

The similarities between Moses and Jesus:

©Both of them were Gods, meaning they both performed so many mighty works to prove that they're representatives of Almighty God.
©Both of them came to establish covenants having a special purpose. Moses mediated between God and the nation of Israel but Jesus mediated between God and a spiritual nation of priests.
©Both of them served as law givers. Moses wrote God's laws and read it to the Israelites but Jesus wrote it in the hearts of his listeners.
©Both of them were the meekest of all humans during their lifetime.

AntiChristian:
I thought Jesus said he was not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel?

The lost sheep of the house of Israel doesn't mean natural Israelites but people who want to draw close to God through the whole earth.
They are like lost sheep that rightly belongs to the house of faith in different religions they may be found.
That's why Jesus told natural Israelites that the God who sent him is capable of raising children for Abraham from stones. This means they shouldn't think God can't claim faithful people in any nation for Abraham!

FatherOfJesus:
useless people, extremist church that all sane countries don't like.
Worst Christian group ever.

Na so this matter dey pain you reach?
OK i tender an APOLOGY for upsetting you i don't mean to upset you my friend.
Go and take good care of yourself, you exist that's why you're chatting with me now!

FatherOfJesus:
Shut up and explain what radiometric dating is all about.
Jehovah unwitness

Your friend has gotten the message!
Such information is of no practical benefits to anyone, it's like buying everything produced by your favorite manufacturer when such products are useless.
Don't worry keep following me and you will learn a lot about life in order for you to distinguish between WANTS and NEEDS.
What do you NEED such information for?
Because to me you just WANT it when it's of no PRACTICAL BENEFIT to you!

AntiChristian:
You are correct in that Jesus wasn't given force like Moses, Joshua, etc and that's why Christianity is a mess today with the freedom mentality!

You got it wrong again my friend!
Moses, Joshua and other Israelites prophets walked with God under a constitution having to do with a nation "ISRAEL" but Jesus came to enlighten the whole world.
Did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph forced God's law on anyone?
The answer is "NO!" Because God has not established a nation that will be under such laws.
Jesus' manner of operations envisage a time when God's word will be taken to counties and nations under human rule. Each person will have to decide whether to live his life in harmony with God's law or not. So even when people around you don't have the love of God a Christian has God's laws written in his heart! Jeremiah 31:33

cornelboy:
Abeg Chief òpònú peddling peddler free me from unnecessary talk na.
Must you make long discussion about "byes"? That's how you did with "could" Haa!!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses excites him with our posts so he has nowhere else to go! John 6:68
What baffles me is how he often argue blindly yet he hasn't found a better performing group where he can enjoy chatting with them about his faith apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

fattprince:
Is there a God? Or are just deluded as scientist believe that anything we don't understand we fill the blank with God. Well I believe in a God called Olodunmare, Abasi, Allah, Chukwu just that I don't see Him as this people do.
Then how do I see him?
I'm thinking of writing this in a book and I will love to know your opinion whether it will be a book people will at least be curious to buy. It will what I believe about God and how he operates and so many things about belief and nature.
Let me just add I'm a deist, I believe in a force and unquenchable energy which is God.
So let me read your opinions guys

The highlighted interests me!

So what is the evidence that you're working along with this FORCE?
A Bible writer said:

FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26

What are the WORKS you're participating to do with this FORCE?

AntiChristian:
It seems na this part pain you pass right?
But Jesus supports drinking Alcohol and doesn't prohibit Gambling! Even in Cana where he gave them quality booze, same people that drank the previous wine still drank the new wine. Jesus never caution them. But you'll say Jesus frowns against getting drunk. But in Cana he didn't care about them getting drunk.
Do you remember the chairman of the occasion saying "Everyone serves the best wine first, and the cheap kind when people are drunk. But you have kept the best wine until now!" from John 2:10.
Jesus's first miracle was to increase people in drunkenness!

Due to your orientation you're getting things all wrong here my friend.
Jesus came to PREACH and TEACH not to force God's laws on people who already knew it.
So Christianity is not about deciding for you what you must do but guiding you and allowing you to choose for yourself!

FatherOfJesus:
Oya, go and open a hall there na, if you won't rot in jail

Wisdom is justified by her children. Luke 7:35
We don't force our beliefs on people, unlike the misinformed Churchgoers that will start shouting in buses, market places and in your streets {Matthew 12:19} we come visiting you right in your homes, ask for their permission and wait for the grant before we speak.
So if that's how we respect individuals in our mode of operations how do you now expect us to violate the rule set by elected constituted authorities? Romans 13:1-7 compare to Matthew 5:41
But there is a good news, we don't shout to call people in our halls rather we chat with individuals who feels like knowing the source of our joy and peace of mind, science has also provided us with the internet now it's not a must that we come to your homes before we speak to you it's you that will turn away from a section having to do with faith so that you won't read anything about it.
Now you can see how you've been punishing yourself on this forum when there are many other sections you can go to share what you've got in your skull instead of coming here to tell people you don't exist!

Elluminated:
Why cherry picking max?
It is pure Mathematics and not hearsay or comical.
You claim You do not know when the earth was created, You claim life first began approximately 9000 years ago.
Science claims that it knows when the earth was created and even saw signs of life billions of years ago against your book's 9000 years ago.
Are you open to testing that bold claim by science?
It's obvious your middle eastern book doesn't know it all.
Are you ready to question your belief?
Science is factual, repeatable and universal.
Are you open to being convince that science is factual?

This is where intelligence comes in my friend!
Now pause for a moment and think about all the questions you've asked me try to see the soothing relief those answers brought into your figurative heart. Then ask yourself

"What is the benefit of the answer to the question i'm asking now? Has it got anything to do with my peace of mind? Those that believe in this radiometric dating, what benefit has it brought for them? Are they living together peacefully like normal humans should do?"

The secret here is that Satan is highly crafty in his bid to get people into doing what he wants, he will trick you into believing what is of no practical benefits to you nor your neighbour and by the end of the day leads you to uncertainty.
Real intellectuals only buy what they need from you my friend not just everything you produce.
All faculties has advantages and disadvantages so don't give away your peace of mind in exchange for worthless information.
A doctor may prescribe a drug perfect to cure your malaria, headache, cough and other ailments but that doesn't give him the audacity to teach you how you should deal with your wife.
So scientists may have discovered certain things that improved our way of life but that doesn't mean you should give away your whole heart to science. Remember the soothing relief you're getting from the satisfying answers to life's most important questions that's affecting you and others. If science can answer all of that it's OK but if it can't then you're loosing not gaining, according to you yourself you and i will die no matter the information we carry in our heads but while i'm making peace with my neighbours and giving them a hope of a better future you will only carry the achievements of science in your head with nothing soothing but grief in your heart due to the uncertainty of what science told you about the end of your entire race: DOOM!
Now what exactly do you enjoy presently that i don't?
KNOWLEDGE connotes accumulation of information. All creatures (including beasts) has a measure of it and to an extent they live and enjoy their life to the fullest.
But
WISDOM is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information which results in lasting BENEFITS. Only intellectuals possess this and they're using it to bring soothing relief to the minds of all those around them!

I'm not saying it's a crime to question beliefs but what do you stand to gain if not peace of mind? In the absence of that such questions are unnecessary my friend!

Elluminated:
Okay, do you know what radiometric dating is all about?

This is the problem with people like you, now you want to compare SPIRITISM with what you can understand perfectly.
Please this so called radiometric dating what makes you think it's not the handiwork of some powerful unseen beings using it to confuse those relying on it?
What relevance has got to do with our problem on this planet presently?

Well let me enlighten you my friend, Satan and his demons are highly intelligent unseen beings, they're capable of so many atrocities the only way you can escape from their dragnet is when you ask sincere and thought provoking questions like:
what has this radiometric dating got to do with our present condition on this planet?
Come on my friend, they are out there using so many means to seduce people into following them yet you will not get anything worthwhile from what they will dish out to you other than information that's of no practical use.
So if you choose to believe in their stuff no wahala but i will stick to my Bible any day let them solve half of what the Bible has solved not bringing technological advancement that can't remove hatred from the hearts of those making use of their technology!

Elluminated:
I love your honesty here, when did life begin on earth Sir?

According to the Bible, it's approximately 8,000 or 9,000 years!

Elluminated:
Top of the morning Max,
So if I can understand clearly, God didn't create me, he has no plans for me, I am just a product of an experiment gone wrong?
Max, how old is the earth?

I don't know but from what we're able to gather through a thorough Bible study it's only when life began on it approximately we can tell.

Elluminated:
Bro Max, pls ehhn why did god create me in the first place, was he bored or what?

NO! It's not God that caused your own birth it's two humans who wanted to enjoy sex that caused your birth and as a result you came just like all other creatures do reproduce.
God's first children that He caused their birth directly on this planet are Adam and Eve, since Satan turned them against their heavenly father all their children are strangers to God so God doesn't even know you exist unless you proved to be virtuous that's when His angels who are moving about the earth will go and report to Him that they've found another descendant of Adam who appreciates the gift of life. But if you don't care then the angels will not even take note of you that's why many things are happening and many people thought God is aware but He's not even paying attention to it He focus on His plans to restore sanity to the earth and all those coming in line for it are the ones He will include in His restoration plan. Revelations 20:15 compare to Malachi 3:16
So my friend, God doesn't even know you exist if you don't have anything worthwhile that will make His angels give Him a report of you you're just like an ant walking around until you expire, no wonder His only begotten Son told people listening to him "you follow me and get life for yourself, allow the dead to bury themselves" {Luke 9:60} that shows that from God's standpoint you're a walking corpse unless you put yourself inline for His restoration plans!

Elluminated:
Was mass genocide in his divine plan?
Max! did God plan that my fellow brothers and sisters will die of COVID-19 just of recent?
What type of a blipped up plan is that?
Max pls enlighten me, I'm worried.

All the evil happening today are the consequences of the rebellion of the first human couple. They brought all these upon us but instead of God to destroy them and the devil then start afresh He chose to allow the three rebels see the consequences of their actions. Adam and Eve grew old, got sick and died just as God has warned them from the beginning, and as for Satan who wanted to rule mankind he discovered that the absolute freedom he used to seduce Adam and Eve has led to big trouble for him because all those taking his path continued to demand for absolute freedom yet they want to decide for others, that's why people are killing people in the name of politics. So Satan couldn't control the world under a peaceful atmosphere as he thought he could do in the absence of God.
Now all the sickness and pandemics affecting mankind came along due to man's disobedience, there are many life saving instructions that most people are ignoring but a careful study of that book (Bible) will help us to see that mankind is the cause of our own problems.
That's why God chose to allow us see what will result if we choose to ignore His instructions and plan to rule over ourselves. Ecclesiastes 4:1;8:9
You and i can tell through all the safety measures scientists are giving us regarding this pandemic that our negligence is the cause not God's fault! Isaiah 48:17-18

Elluminated:
Max, are you telling me God is not aware of what will happen tomorrow?

He's only aware of His own plans that cannot be stopped but as for what each person will turn out to be according to His own words, He doesn't know. That's why He regretted in some things He did out of a pure motive. Or do you think someone who knows such need to regret what He already knew? Genesis 6:5-6
So use your own brains to think about what He said not what misinformed religionists are spreading abroad!

Elluminated:
Max! This Perfect God created this people in his image o, does that mean he is imperfect?
If he's not imperfect and all knowing as you claim, does that mean he's not aware that man will eat apple and become imperfect?
Why will this loving God create Man knowing fully well that he will sin and then destroy him for sinning which he already knows from the beginning, isn't that wickedness for crying out loud. Max please have some sense of humanity, humanity is older than your religion.

MISCONCEPTIONS!
I said "ask His friends questions about Him" not misinformed Churchgoers talking trash!
For your information, He didn't plan things this way neither did He claim to know what humans will turn out to become.
What He said in His book is that He created humans to live forever so whatever will hinder His plans He knows how to end it because He knows the beginning of everything.
So don't allow misinformation to push you into judging someone wrongly when you haven't heard His side of the story fully. He never claimed all the stuff misinformed religionists are spreading about Him!

Elluminated:
Your objective is good but your means to attain that is diabolical, feeding them that half baked knowledge is dangerous, you are doing them more harm than good. Like what if when you leave and they decide to go to those horrible chapters were your 6th century BCE power drunk god ordered some mass genocidal crusades...
Max! like are we talking about the same comic book that suggested Elijah commanded bears to tear apart children because they called him a baldy?
The same book that directed the genocides of entire clans?
The same book that said David killed 100 men and cut off there foreskin for gift?
C'mon have some compassion for crying out loud
This same comic book is what motivated your early confused ancestors backed by the latin church between 1095 and 1291 to move around killing people forcing them to believe this folklore, the only difference between you and them is while they carried swords you decided to carry an umbrella.
That book is very dangerous Max, you're basically breeding Mass Murderers if care is not taken.

The problem here is misconception!
But if you allow for explanation you will know what happened and why it must be so.
Back then this God wasn't known by people it's lesser spirits that people everywhere worships. He is the Creator of everything that's why He came out to commence the work of restoration but those lesser spirits wanted to deprive Him of His right by pushing His own creatures (humans) against Him.
Before then He sent a warning throughout the earth for everyone to know that there is a God who is the Almighty and that He wants to secure just a portion of the earth for Himself where His worshipers will practice pure worship. After sending this warning message some right thinking individuals got the message and join His people to practice pure worship but majority were used by those lesser spirits to deny Him of His right. What those lesser spirits knew is that He is the owner so they want Him to use His own hands destroy His works!
They knew He is Holy and as such He will not like to destroy His own works but they've forgotten that it's only two humans He Created directly all these humans came as a result of the power to reproduce He gave to the first couple.
So He matched through the places He wanted to establish pure worship and destroyed all those standing in His way. They are all dust to Him unless those that fear Him and show they love Him.
That's what happened back then my friend.
Today His name has gone throughout the earth so there's no need fighting for any portion to establish pure worship unlike back then when nobody knew Him. Now He is gathering all faithful people throughout the earth in anticipation of His come anointed King Jesus Christ who will make the earth a Paradise.
So don't mix up things thinking you've figured it all out, rather ask for what you don't understand!

Elluminated:
You only live once, you are going to die, while alive, you are solely responsible for your actions do not blame god/satan for your misfortunes. I know it's hard but Man up and make good use of the finite time you have while alive, impact on lives positively, you are responsible for the fate of the human specie while alive stop taking civilization back to the 6th century BCE. It's dragging us back.

P.S This is how you sound when you quote that comic book created 6th Century BCE, when The great wall of China was already been built and at the same time in the middle east Max's God created adam the first man. What a slap to the Chinese and there Great Wall which still stands till today as physical evidence:

Spiderman lives in New York and shoots webs while fighting crimes, this is true because the comic book says so and he once saved me from falling off a bus when Dr. Octavius attacked New York from another dimension. Even though my statement has no scientific backing take it from me, I am saying the truth. If you don't believe me, go to the comic book or just blindly believe. No questions asked.

The greatest impact any group of people can make in this our time is to erase the use of weapons from the hands and hearts of people around you. People die in millions due to WARS and what often leads to wars? Politics!
My group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" have taken this same book round the globe to everywhere people are used to weapons, military services and politics. For your information millions throughout the earth today have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again neither is there anything that can make them join military services!

Well that's in fulfilment of what the God of the Bible promised {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3} do you think that's just a coincidence?
NO! It's the undeniable evidence of God's Holy Spirit in action throughout the earth as a proof that the true God is working according to His plans. So if a God promised this and i am witnessing it in my own time i will urge you to join me in making the world a better place where there is no more wars! Psalms 46:9

FatherOfJesus:
China specifically banned Jw because they are stupid people and fanatics

Keep crying, it's freedom of worship and association that's denied not individual lifestyles that's why you need to go there and try talking trash against Buddhism that's when you'll know that what you call atheism here totally differs from what they're practicing there!

FatherOfJesus:
I wont live in China.
I want you people also out of Nigeria. You people are cancer.
You should be kicked out everywhere like China is doing

I thought atheists were complaining that religionists are the ones forcing their opinion on others.
When did atheists become a threat to the peace of others?
You idiot, it's the right to practice some religion publicly that the Chinese government denied but as for the right to live anywhere you want can't be denied. You can't force me to become an atheist neither can i force you to become a believer.
So you'll stick to your atheism while i will stick to my faith.
That's why i asked you to go and live in China perhaps you will be able to talk to anyone about your opinion on religion the way you're blabbing here.

Elluminated:
Holy Is thou o yee Google, thy mare mortal challengeth thy capacity. Returneth an error message when next thy consult thee for information.

Holy google has not denied the feasibility of time travel, who knows thy supreme will giveth thee thy knowledge in the future.

Max, I will say this to you once and I hope it sinks in, you Max is currently alive, a time will come when you Max will die, you are solely responsible for all your actions during this life, please always remember, actions have consequences, do your specie a favor by engaging in activities that will ensure that the human race survive our inevitable destruction by the dying sun in the future. Stop taking the human race back to the 6th Century BCE when goat herders weren't even aware that the earth is spherical and didn't know where it goes when it sets. For the love of mankind let us advance as a race.

OK you want to be serious again, shey?
Well death is coming upon everyone but God's word promised a time when death will be no more {Isaiah 25:8} and as for the fear of doom that your useless google instill in your heart regarding our planet the Bible says the earth is made to last forever as in for all eternity {Psalms 104:5} the highlighted is a misconception because the Bible writers actually know that the earth is spherical {Isaiah 40:22} and that it is hanging out there in empty space! Job 26:7

Next time you want to read our book (Bible) try to study it diligently with one of the friends of it's Author JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
We will guide you!

FatherOfJesus:
China kicked your ass.
Because your church is a mental cancer

Who wants people who reason like simpletons in their sane society

Chai see wahala for Okpoko!
I say "go and live with Chinese nah"
Àbí you want to deprive people here of their human rights?

FatherOfJesus:
E pain am, China messed the morons up

You this psychopath, who will tell you that you exist when you say you don't?

You already have the answer: NO!

Elluminated:
Verily I say unto thee, if thy couldath goeth back in time 6th Century BCE middle east and giveth them herdsmen the technology of Holy Google.
Thou would have by now been a Google Witness (GW), thy paradise would have been in the clouds. Thy would be given 2TB worth of space in the clouds to stay forever as long as Holy Servers remain active.

Can't thy holy google taketh thou back so that thou mayest take selfies and videos of Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian kingdom?

FatherOfJesus:
I don't babe mental state because I am stating the obviously. You can't do Jehovah witness activities in China.
Jehovah witness cannot constitute nuisance there

Go and live in China, no wahala!