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StJohnofChrist:
I don't know what you mean by the bolded, but the bible is what we have to know that he existed. Like the scriptures said, blessed are those that haven't seen yet believed. By this belief, we become witnesses by the indwelling of his spirit that He exists, He died and at that for the sins of men, He was buried, He rose, He was seen of men, He ascended to the father.

All what you're saying are found written in the book (Bible) just as so many other religious books have their own writings.
So we need greater evidence than writings in a book.

Jesus said so many things in that book and the fulfilment of those things makes him greater than any other person in the history of mankind!

That's why i said "everything written in the Bible and other secular historians are just like supporting additions" today we have the proof no one can dispute that Jesus is real!

Arriving from planet Pluto!

Amujale:
Jesus is a fictitious character. The entire Jesus story is a facade.

Therefore, based on the above facts, there's a malicious and counterproductive purpose for the fictional characters and false narratives of these foreign extremist ideologies.

MindHacker9000:
You claim Jesus is the only begotten Son of God , yet Jesus said "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven." “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."
There was great distress in Judea till the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. These were the events Jesus said will happen and immediately after these events He will return.
If you are not FAKE then you would have known that you're promoting a FAKE gospel

Jesus mentioned many things in that prophecy that never happen in the first century so he wasn't referring to the generation of people who stood there listening to him!

StJohnofChrist:
Jesus' story can't be fake, he exists.

Josephus Flavianum A. wrote about him, even mentioning Pilate Pilatus. So many historical writers of the Jewish and Roman culture wrote about him and some happenings around his existence, mostly how he died and his followers. It'd be a shame to declare the mythicism of Jesus around historians. There are hard facts, debunking Jesus as myth would mean debunking these historical writers and other materials concerning ancient history.
You'd look foolish to them.
Search up YouTube for Josephus Flavianum, Jerome, Babylonian Talmud, etc.

Everything written in the Bible or other secular historians about Jesus of Nazareth are just like supporting additions, because the greatest evidence that the young man live and he's the greatest man who ever walked this planet is here today!

achorladey:
Na this kind mentality you carry all over nairaland
You are notified the one who brought the incidence to this platform in the first place. The persons who were seeking funds for the treatment are people you say don't care about her
That's what you think, none have said so.
You do remove wicked members from your midst year in year out through disfellowshipping.
We know the local congregation na the sole ownership of the organisation not the Jehovah's organisation gangan
When you hear about your brothers been persecuted in RUSSIA now, to your likes na all Jehovah's witnesses they suffer. Now that the scenario is not palatable or dance to your tune. Ki eleru gbe eru e.

In the absence of the name of her congregation, it's a dismissed case!

MindHacker9000:
You are only concerned about your stomach from what you are gaining from your followers and hence you are doing all you can from allowing them to find out the truth. GOD has made Youtube available for all to be set free so you are only wasting your time.

Sorry you missed it big time!
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we don't have Pastors who live on the contributions of members, each of us work for what we eat.
So you can tell that to misinformed churchgoers not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and he has laid down his perfect human life to redeem mankind from our sins.
If you need more information on that we are ready to feed you FREELY but thinking you can use the YouTube stories where fabricated things reign to form enlightenment then you've goofed big time!

Barristter07:
Sorry if some comments sound heartless to you... Regarding your question. The story of the Good Samaritan has answered your question. Samaritans are even regarded as pagans, to the point many Jews don't interact with them. Yet The Jew accepted his help.nothing in the Bible condemns accepting help/assistance from sincere individuals.
While I respect the ladies right to make a personal decision. I don't know the lady in question,I do not know the circumstances or reasonings that make her come to that conclusion.

Do you think this people really care about the girl in question?

Many of them would have injected her to death even if she found herself in their hands!

All they're after is to make people believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are wicked.
So i keep asking them to tell us the name of her local congregation after all it's the local congregation that should be blamed for not coming to her rescue not you or me who never heard anything until she's dead!
But they're now trying to put the blame on all JWs globally when we don't even know how the story goes!

MindHacker9000:
No Where in the Old Testament there is not where GOD promises to send HIS son to be crucified for our sins. GOD Forgave The People Of Nineveh Without Waiting For Jesus' Crucifixion. The Roman Royal family, The Flavians created the Jesus that is being preached today. Watch these well documented videos with historical records to find out for yourself.

Israel was a war zone during the time of Jesus till Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD as the Jews revolted against Roman occupation. Ask yourself why the capital of Christianity is in Rome?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo

You will only continue running from one thread to another, but as far as Jesus is concerned you will never get anyone to debunk Jesus' story as fake!

oteneaaron:
And what pray tell, is the implication?
Are they or are they not the Sole Channel to God?
It was a very simple question.
Don't be scared, this wasn't the only question he was asked where he either lied or wiggled his way around the question.
I will show you more.
No worry.

It's just a pity that you are not interested in the things of God, because i will only advise you to go back and read about Jesus of Nazareth.
But this time carefully read in an undertone how this young man's response to questions goes when he is in the midst of enemies! Matthew 26:59-67; John 18:33-38

Imagine yourself in the room as a spectator where the Jewish religious leaders were questioning Jesus or where Pontius Pilate was asking him questions then think about what could make Jesus not giving a direct answer to their questions?

Well if a member of the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses, a small group of people that has gathered millions of people from different races throughout the world and erased the use of weapons from their hearts {Matthew 26:52 compare to Micah 4:1-3} is acting in the same manner then i have no doubt that he is truly one of those Jesus referred to as his brothers in the Bible! Matthew 25:31-46

oteneaaron:
WOW!

Rumor?

You call this Rumor?

Struck a chord didn't it?

Well, if taking the time to do research to be sure whether if the religion I dedicated years of my life to is harboring sexual predators or not, is what makes you call me stupid, then hell yea!

I love my version of stupid.

But if you, a so-called "intelligence officer" can call an information on the public domain rumors - without even trying to reading it to understand the true story, then your stupidity is quite pitiful.

You think you know everything there is to know about the JW organization?

You haven't even scratched the surface yet.

The day your eyes will be opened, you will regret ever leaving your former Islamic religion.

Talk about escaping the frying pan and ending up in the actual fire.

Do you know a better performing religious group than Jehovah's Witnesses?
If not then there will never be any regret for a person like me because all i ever wanted is to worship the true God in the gathering of HIS chosen poeple. So instead of the emotional blackmail just present a BETTER PERFORMING GROUP than Jehovah's Witnesses!

oteneaaron:
Well if he may wave it off, but there are many others who won't.

This court case brings up so many questions.

What broke my heart the most was watching a video of Geoffrey Jackson during the court session lying under oath!

Ever since the 2012 WT article where the new light was announced that the GB is now the Faithful and Discreet Slave, this meant that they ARE THE ONLY DIRECT CHANNEL to God.

But when Goeffery Jackson - a member of the GB was asked the same question, he lied in his answer!

Angus Stewart - the lawyer asked him this blunt question: “Do you see yourselves as Jehovah God’s spokespeople on earth?”

Geoffrey Jackson answered:

“That I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using.

The scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with God’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if I could just clarify a little, going back to Matthew 24, clearly, Jesus said that in the last days ‐ and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.

So in that respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”

You may think I am lying, but here is a snippet from his statement:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlsVPTsUnnI

And I am like whaaaat!!??

I was shocked to my bones!

How can a member of the GB say this?!!!

The full video of the court case is available on YouTube.

The man asking such question may not know the implication but trust Jesus' disciple, they surely knows how to respond to any question, they won't just jump into such huge net when there are many religious leaders also claiming they're ministers out there.
So according to Jesus of Nazareth let them produce their FRUIT! Mattew 7:16-18

achorladey:
Even if he is aware, he will wave it off as propaganda and persecution.

Do yourself a favour by traveling to Israel and ask of Jesus of Nazareth, then come back and tell us what you heard there!

This group has enemies everywhere so before you can establish a case against them and expect a honest hearted and sincere individual to believe you, all the facts must be ready with Witnesses.

You can't expect everyone to jump at your story because majority were deceived by the story! Exodus 23:1-2

oteneaaron:
Hey MaxInDHouse, here are some links to help you investigate the child abuse court case against the JW organization by the Australian Royal Commission:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33673240

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

Funny thing is many JWs don't know about this.

Do you know that one of the GB members Geoffrey Jackson was called to the witness-dock to give a testimony during this court case?

See what i'm saying?
This report says "they are protecting the culprits" and you swallowed this hook line and sinker.
What if it's all a rumour?
Why can't the prosecutors get all their facts so that their won't be any form of cover up?

Imagine some people accused your own family of stealing and whose money was stolen? They said it's the money belonging to the members of the same family adding that victims were covering up the thieves!

Do you think that's an established case?
Why not talk about a single child molested by a JW where the parents aren't JWs?

Sure something is wrong with all these stories!

You can't be the complainant and at the same time judge over a complaint when you don't have any evidence against the accused! Matthew 26:59-60

For your information if you're so stupid to swallow false stories just because you hate a group it's not everyone that will be as stupid as you.

The Boko Haram was accused of terrorist activities killing people in their neighbourhood, casualties were recorded and the accused confirm that they're truly doing it.
But in this case you're carrying a story where the supposed casualties are denying what you're saying and yet you want everyone to believe your story!

oteneaaron:
Shot myself in the foot?
How?
Mind you, I am not affiliated to any church or religion - not after my experience as a JW from my childhood till my adult age.

So you don't believe in God after leaving JWs yet you want to join people talking about God on a faceless forum as Mr Anonymous!

oteneaaron:
You lie when you say other religions have no records of their members.
I may not have all the info, but I am sure many churches give a baptismal certificate to their members.

So they have yet someone can cross from one doctrine to another doctrine in the name of Jesus after such baptism! Matthew 7:23

oteneaaron:
But you are right - I don't expect the branch office to give any official statement cos afterall, - an unidentified JW died because she couldn't raise 4million naira for a surgery that would have saved her life.
But if it were a much more "serious issue" like the Child Abuse Case of the Australian Royal Commission VS the JW organization, even a member of the GB would have rushed to give a testimony.

See how you failed the simple test!
How come you mentioned Australia and think the name of the Australian congregation will be missing?
A young Christian was sleeping with his young stepmom in the first century. In what congregation? The Corinthian Congregation! 1Corinthians 5:1-3
That's why the traveling overseer (Paul) mentioned it in his letter.
What do you think would have happened if the name of the local congregation is missing?
Do you think Paul who knew how much hatred people have for his fellow believers will take it seriously?

oteneaaron:
Talk about double standards and shifting the goal posts!!

You're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

achorladey:
Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation?

Ògbéni the picture only shows his joy but it's not enough proof to verify his membership.
Oteneaaron has simplified things for everyone who wants to know the truth of the matter.
So until the name of her local congregation is mentioned i'll leave you to continue playing your cards!

achorladey:
But you don't like supporting LIES
Your eyes and mine are still effective. Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation
On the day of baptism at your assembly ground many will come to know him as Jehovah’s witness not by the name of the local congregation he attends.

That's just to make all other JWs feel his joy as he included his pics for everyone to know that despite all hatred against God's people he has chosen to be vilified along with this group! Hebrews 11:25

But it's the local congregation that will send a message anywhere this man goes that truly this man is one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

oteneaaron:
No organization - religious or not - is above scrutiny by the general public.
If this happened with another church or religion, I can bet my left balls that you would be in the fore-front screaming - "false religion!"
But look at how the tables have turned!
Why don't you wait for the Branch office to give an official response to this serious allegation?

You have shot yourself in the foot!

Which of you is proud to mention the name of your church here?

So if anything is said about you people there's no way to verify the details. But with Jehovah's Witnesses we know how to go about it that's why you've become uncomfortable that there's a CARD that we can use to verify the membership.

I've told you and i will still tell you again that no branch will say a single thing because we are used to fabricated stories like this.

Just the name of her local congregation will set the ball rolling, apart from that it's just another cooked up tale!

oteneaaron:
Then why are you insisting to know the congregation of the lady in question?
May her gentle soul rest in peace.
Another thing I noticed about you Max.
Since this news started trending, you have not for a single moment expressed any single amount of sorrow that a human being like you just died.
Not even a single RIP from you!
From the first instance this news broke, you have been defending the organization.
You seem like a different brand of JW to me - a very fanatic JW at that.
No matter what religious affiliations anyone might have, human life comes first.
The pure truth is that this news cast a very bad light on the JW organization.
This reminds me of the Child Abuse court case the organization had with the Australian Royal Commission some years back.

Whether i typed RIP or not does that change her stand as a worshiper of her own God?
What matters now is the bad name you're giving my people when you don't have any evidence that the girl in question is one of us!

You rushed in to join others in speaking against God's people yet you know there's a CARD that goes with any member of JWs to any country they travel so that they are welcomed as baptized JWs.

If you have no remorse for supporting false stories how dare you expect me to care a bit about the fabricated story to slander God's people?

achorladey:
Was that the question you said YES to during your baptism?

YES!

This is what someone says after his baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do you think the congregation (people that witnessed his baptism) won't know him?

oteneaaron:
The main point Archorladey is presenting is this: If you are asking for the name of her congregation before agreeing that she is truly a JW, why should we also believe that you are also actually a bona-fide JW? If we must know the name of her congregation, then we need to know the name of your own congregation too. How are we sure you are not just some guy who reads the publications and is just excited about JW dogmas and doctrines?
What works for her, should also work for you too! As above, so below!

Who cares whether you to believe that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Everyone is interested in the case of this girl so for Jehovah's Witnesses to be sure of the story the name of the local congregation where she meets with our brothers is very very very very relevant!

oteneaaron:
You do have a point.
As above, so below.
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

You already set the ball rolling!

You know what we do to be sure someone has been baptized as one of us so the simple truth will be revealed when this question is answered:

"what is the name of her congregation"

oteneaaron:
Well, in his defence, during your baptism, your details are added to your publisher record card. It's not like you're given a certificate of baptism tho.
But of course the hierarchy can never be ignored.

Please don't delete this comment because it will help all other followers to know why i keep saying:

"This young woman is NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Thanks for setting matters straight!

achorladey:
People like you don't love long stories. Long winding explanation is not required, a scripture or any of your publications will just be enough as proof. Shikena.
Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?
Atleast you are a baptized member. The questions you answered YES which confirms your baptism, bring it here let me see.
Leave supporting lies alone.

Are Jehovah's Witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

YES!

Jman24:
Max has chickened out.
You just realized there was no sacrifice actually.

When someone whose comments comes with substance i'll reply! Ecclesiastes 3:7

budaatum:
No, thank you.

You can not ask me to not oppose you when you missyarn!

Just in case you notice that i don't reply you!

KanwuliaExtra:
I like the fact that you have been embarking on a “spiritual pilgrimage”.
Any time anyone tells me one religion is the ONLY TRUE BELIEVING MEDIUM, I pause and take a stop back. I have only tried to practice Christianity and only fooled myself. As for attempting to understand or join Islam, HELL will freeze over first. ✅
I really am weary of “imported” religions.
When you look around Africa as a whole, one thing is certain. The people and the “gods” they serve are not communicating.
No matter what religion, Africans remain spiritually-retrogressive.
Look at the ways WE LIVE AND RELATE TO EACH OTHER? A total failure. Of what use is your religion when it does not show in your lives or environment?
Just faking!✅

Well that's what the one and only true religion could mean for you!

There's no god in any nation that orders their worshipers to propagate anything so all their gods are dumb and inactive {Psalms 115:4-7} the one and only God ordering His worshipers to go and speak with people of other nations is the God that sent Jesus of Nazareth {Matthew 28:18-20} note that Jesus said all powers has been given to him definitely he was talking about the God who sent him {John 3:16} but as for all other religions the worshipers can't make such moves! Psalms 115:8

It's after Jesus' disciples have reached countries like Rome, Greece and Asia that the people there thought of taking their religion abroad. So only the Bible God ordered His own worshipers to go out and speak to gather people for pure worship, this He did through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ! Hebrews 1:1-2

May you have PEACE!

achorladey:
I will prove it the moment you answer this question..... Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

YES! Because it's members of the congregation that will bear her witness that she's truly a JW!

Before my baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, everyone used to call me brother _____. But the day i got baptized each of them came to me and gave me a big hug.
I don't know what that means until one little sister said:
"before i used to call you 'brother' that was just a formality, but now when i call you 'brother' it comes from the deepest part of my heart" this really shocked me! I couldn't just forget what that little girl said so one day after the meetings i asked her "please why did you say you were calling me 'brother' just for formality before?"
She said
"that time i never knew you as a baptized witness but now i can tell anyone that i am one of those who witnessed your baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Then i came to realize why all of them were grabbing me to their body as if they newly met me!

So her congregation really matters here unless you just want to support lies against God's people!

Nellyfrancis157:
NOTE: I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible, but I just want someone to explain and make me understand why there isn't any mistake in the Bible with all these facts from my research

The highlighted says a lot about you in person and if you're sincere i'll advise you to do yourself a favour.
If you truly believe the Bible then you find some disturbing comments in it what should you do?
Think about a person who likes you so much but now heard negative things about you, will he just throw the comments in the air knowing fully well that you have lots of enemies out there? NO!
He will carefully look for your friends and when he finds them he will present all the things he heard before your friends.
Note that he won't just assume that someone is your friend simply because the person claimed so but observe carefully to be certain that this person loves you.
Now who are the people that always go about in both rain and sunshine to talk about what is written in the Bible?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Throughout the world this group are well known in all our neighbourhood going to pay their neighbours uninvited visits no matter what people do to them the JWs will be back to share what they learned in the book they cherished most with you. They truly love the book Bible and are ready to sacrifice their lives to preach and teach what they found in it!

So find them and ask your questions. This is a faceless public forum where there are lots of people with different motives but if you're able to discuss with the real friends of the Bible you'll get all your answers.

That's what an elderly Jew named Nicodemus did in the first century when he heard negative comments about a young Jewish guy name Jesus. Nicodemus has began to like the young man but there are lots of negative comments about him so he decided to speak with Jesus one on one but he did it when there will be no distractions! John 3:1-16

May you have PEACE!

budaatum:
No chance! If it were that easy, your type would have stayed clear yourself.

That's why i never quoted you since i bid you goodbye, please stop quoting me!

Emusan:
See all the attributes of JWs in one statement!
Just the way we're freeing people from your demonic organization.
You haven't proven where fasting equate starving.
At least we've tutor you on that with indisputable fact from your organization that Christians aren't forbidden of fasting.
But Jesus had power to provide food in the wilderness yet He didn't.
Firstly, this is John 5:33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth."
You can see you never know those verses you do cite, simply you know your brainwashed brothers won't bother to check.
Lastly,
What was Jesus respond to them when that statement above came?

If you're not a confused, dullard tell the OP how he can fast while others are eating their food in his presence, because my own Jesus never fasted where people are eating!

PaNnamdi:
U are still blabbibng

Prove what make u think JW Is a CULT AND DANGEROUS

u can't just say what u don't know,if to say I nor know witnesses people I would have taught that they are worse than Fulani herdsmen
Stop spreading hate against that peaceful group of people.

Did you read my comment?

Well i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

budaatum:
Jesus was not sacrificed. He was murdered by an ignorant mob who did not know what they were doing!

Never mind this is too much for your type so stay clear!