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Sunnyshinylight:
You’re half-right, but the conclusion doesn’t hold up under all of Scripture.
Yes—“hell” in Acts 2:31 is Hades, the realm of the dead, not the lake of fire.

No argument there. Peter is quoting Psalm 16 and making a precise theological point:

👉 Jesus Christ truly died, and His body went to the grave.

👉 But death could not hold Him.
However—Hades ≠ merely a hole in the ground.
In biblical theology, Hades is the state and realm of the dead, not just a tomb.

If it were only “the grave,” Peter’s argument collapses—because everyone’s body goes to a grave.


That would make Acts 2:31 meaningless.
Peter’s claim is exclusive:
“His soul was not left in Hades, neither did His flesh see corruption.”


That means: • A real descent into death
• A real presence in Hades
• A real victory over it
That’s why Scripture says:
“Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell”
—not “Thou wilt not put me in a grave.”

And notice—King David is the contrast. David did die, did see corruption, and is still dead. Jesus didn’t.


If “hell = grave only,” then David qualifies just as much as Christ, and Peter’s entire sermon falls apart.


The truth is stronger: 🔥 Jesus entered death fully 🔥 He invaded Hades 🔥 And He walked out alive


That’s why Revelation says:
“I have the keys of death and of Hades.”


Graves don’t have keys. Real realms do.
So yes—Jesus was in Hades.

But not as a captive.
He was there as a conqueror.

Sunnyshinylight:
Psalm 133 beautifully celebrates the blessing of unity among God’s people. Scripture consistently affirms that believers are meant to live in fellowship, love, and mutual encouragement (Acts 2:42; 1 Corinthians 12:12–27).
Gathering together is a gift and a command meant for growth, accountability, and worship.
Hebrews 10:24–25 indeed urges believers not to neglect meeting together, but the text gives the reason: “to consider how to stir up one another to love and good works… encouraging one another.”
The passage is an exhortation toward spiritual maturity, not a declaration that physical absence equals loss of salvation.
Salvation, according to Scripture, is grounded in grace through faith, not attendance:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works.” (Ephesians 2:8–9)
The Bible also gives examples of genuine believers who were isolated by circumstance, not rebellion—such as Elijah (1 Kings 19), Paul in prison (2 Timothy 4:16–17), and the thief on the cross (Luke 23:42–43). Their salvation did not depend on meeting attendance, but on faith and God’s mercy.
Psalm 1:1 does not define “the assembly of God’s people” as a single visible meeting or organization, but contrasts the way of the righteous with the way of the wicked.
The defining mark is obedience to God’s word, not mere physical proximity to others.
Scripture teaches both truths together:
Fellowship is essential and commanded (Hebrews 10:24–25)
Salvation is by faith, not works or rituals (Romans 3:28; Titus 3:5)
A healthy faith produces a desire for fellowship, but fellowship itself is the fruit, not the foundation, of salvation:
“We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren.” (1 John 3:14)
Therefore, it is biblical to say:
A believer should desire to gather with God’s people
But it is unbiblical to say that absence alone proves one has no salvation
Unity is precious, meetings are important, but Christ—not attendance—is the source of eternal life:
“Whoever has the Son has life.” (1 John 5:12)

AntiChristian:
You are over simplifying things than what was presented in the Bible! Jesus did cry! Did Jehovah too wept?

AntiChristian:
By replica you mean "an exact copy" of God right?
If yes, did the father weep for Jesus to weep? John 11:35 - Jesus wept

QuinQ:
What you're doing is called ARGUING (disagreeing back and forth). The opposite of that is walk away or agree with the plaintiff!

QuinQ:
So stop saying you're not arguing because YOU ARE!!! Very much so, and you admittedly don't have the broad view of things to do it!

QuinQ:
STOP RESPONDING!!!

QuinQ:
What You're doing right now is called ARGUING, which you don't know enough to be doing. So just state your piece and rest!

QuinQ:
You don't have the broad perspective required for arguments, period. So just state your view and rest. Stop dragging things like wether war is necessary because by definition, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW!

QuinQ:
What has this to do with stopping arguing because you don't have holistic view of things that it requires - exactly as 2 Timothy says?

QuinQ:
You gotta be kidding. Feeling bad about what?? Just advising u to state your piece then find something else to do with your life, as you don't have the broad perspective required for arguments!

QuinQ:
Quit all the arguing then, as your perspective is too narrow for arguments. State your piece and rest - find another way to "entertain" yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry if it's not about faith you can't find me there that's why you won't see my post on any other section except on RELIGION!

QuinQQ:
You admittedly don't have the broad, holistic, big-picture view that's required in arguments, so why keep getting involved in arguments??!

QuinQQ:
Yet you keep ARGUING. Someone who has admitted not having a holistic, big-picture view of things ought not engage in arguments!

QuinQQ:
Be careful, they don't call it shunning anymore.😆
(See below).
They have now also allowed you to toast and ladies can now wear trousers!
It will be funny the day the scales finally fall of your eyes but pride won't let you admit it.😁

QuinQQ:
Just state your narrow, almost mindless opinion.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry if it's not about faith you can't find me there that's why you won't see my post on any other section except on RELIGION!

QuinQQ:
So why the sudden change in 2024 (actually we know why - see it circled below - and it has nothing to do with Christ!)
What do they say to all those people who committed suicide when they were practicing "disfellowship" and "shunning". See below

QuinQQ:
Actually NARROW is followed by MINDED but the bot baned me when I wrote that. So that's your description not just narrow!

Omoawoke:
One fact about this hell..
Only a psychopath will create this kind of place to torture people for not believing in him.

QuinQQ:
DeepSight ask him why they suddenly changed it in March 2024. See below.

QuinQQ:
And that's what marks you too NARROW and limited a person.

DeepSight:
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It talks about them sinning, not about turning against the faith, and everyone sins.

QuinQ:
Christianity is not only discussed in this section! But how would you know!😁

jaephoenix:
Exactly. When your lies are debunked,you get slippery

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

DeepSight:
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Here is what it says -
​15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”
Now tell me how Jesus said we are to treat pagans and tax collectors. And how he treated them himself.
PS: This does not talk about apostates.

jaephoenix:
I don't usually reply your lies but this one hit me. Religion is dwindling. Do a simple research or check out many empty churches. Even your kingdom halls are being sold off

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

DeepSight:
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I don't remember him giving a command about that. Remind me. I tend to remember him talking about those who refuse the gospel, not apostates.