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In a nutshell do Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods?

The idea that a god claimed to be the one Abraham worshiped is not enough evidence that it's that same God because there are many spirits claiming the one and only true God!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your argument is flawed because it mixes up roles with nature and poetry with ontology. The pre-exilic prophets (before the exile) clearly advocated for the exclusive worship of YHWH, and this was preserved by post-Babylonian Judaism rather than being a new invention. This is a matter of historical fact, not theology. In Psalm 82, the term elohim is used functionally, not in terms of essence. The passage also states that these gods die, which indicates they are not divine by nature. Just because they share a title does not mean they share God's essence. Being a spirit does not equate to divine essence. Angels are created spirits, while God is uncreated, eternal, and self-existent. If we equate spirit with the same essence, it would imply that Satan shares God's nature, which Scripture refutes. Therefore, in John 5:19, Jesus' statements indicate dependence and agency rather than a shared divinity. Imitation clarifies the text, while the idea of shared essence contradicts it.

Then the 'ungodly clergy' by your analogy also have supernatural powers likened to God to so mislead their following? Please!

annyplenty:
Not only Women but are also piercing noses, and wearing nose rings, now.
They want to wear nose rings to churches but don't want pastor to rebuke them. Repent

Is Rebecca a human of faith?

AntiChristian:
Allah's purpose was to create humans on earth Al-Baqarah 2:30.

So what is their crime that led to all these problems?
Or your Allah just want people to suffer?🙂

AntiChristian:
Individual misinterpretation vs organisational misinterpretation!

The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

AntiChristian:
He wasn't talking to you from Nigeria nor Africa!

Why aren't you following an African prophet?😃

So you can relate well with people who are not ORGANIZED in their beliefs just as you Muslims are not also organized in your beliefs shey?😟

AntiChristian:
JW own is organisational misinterpretation!

Forget about what Paul said and use your Quran to answer the question after all you people claim your Quran is God's word.
What brought you to this sinful world if Allah created the first human couple in Paradise?

AntiChristian:
Na wetin Paul talk be that: Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. Romans 5:12

The truth is there is no reason to worry over the skin color of Israelites because the Bible has given us all that we need to relate with the true God!

buttlover:
your own don finish if you believe in spirit of joblessness. The country is only dealing with you. It's time to think entrepreneur with the little you have. Everyone won't be employed, unless you are looking for teaching jobs with biscuits peanut salary.

Please don't discourage people from the jobs otherwise there won't be teachers to teach your children and you will have to pay fortune in order to get someone to teach your children in school already they are quiting the job putting school owners in trouble.😟

Most people only follow pastors opinion on what the Bible teaches they are truly uninformed and misinformed.
According to God's word the more we are getting closer to the end of this system of things hardship will intensify and it doesn't leave faithful people out of it.
This is what Apostle Paul a first century believer in Christ another brother about hardship:

You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure HARDSHIP, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry. 2Timothy 4:5

Apostle Peter also said:

For it is agreeable when someone endures hardship and suffers unjustly because of conscience toward God. 1Peter 2:19

But why aren't they praying AGAINST the spirit of HARDSHIP?

Christ our Lord said:

"I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have TRIBULATION, but take courage! I have conquered the world.” John 16:33

Jesus himself had nothing {Luke 9:58} neither his first century disciples so whatever a Christian is able to get it's to be managed {1Timothy 6:8} until this system of things expires. God's Kingdom is our sure hope! Matthew 6:10

Who are those OBEDIENT to God in our time?

AntiChristian:
So how can a human die for the sins of several billions?

How can Adam infect billions with the sin he committed alone?
Àbí you were there when Adam sinned so that you are driven out of paradise now struggling to go back there?🙂

AntiChristian:
That's why JW do misinterprete Bible verse out of context!

And you are relating well with those who are not JWs because they are interpreting Bible rightly!🙂

immaculatesense:
Is he not your brother?

I asked you first after all you claim all professed Christians are your brothers so i'm asking you now.
Why do you deny him if all professed Christians are your brothers as you claim!🙂

When Kumuyi's wife was dying in hospital the man was busy playing Mr miracle with gullible Nigerians.
Why can't he carry his wife to the miracle crusade instead of hospital?😃

OLAADEGBU:
I’m not surprised to see you here playing the devil’s advocate. Birds of a feather.

Please can you expatiate on this?😟

Sunnyshinylight:
“The body without the spirit is dead.”
— James 2:26

Is Adam alive somewhere now or he no longer exist at all?🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
Yes—according to Scripture, Adam really did die, but the Bible shows this in two connected ways: spiritual death immediately, and physical death later.

Adam died spiritually the day he sinned
God warned Adam:


“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
— Genesis 2:17


Adam ate the fruit (Genesis 3:6), yet he did not drop dead physically that same day.

So what died?
Scripture shows that his relationship with God died:


Adam hid from God (Genesis 3:
He was expelled from God’s presence (Genesis 3:23–24)


The Bible later explains this kind of death:
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.”
— Ephesians 2:1


➡️ Adam became spiritually dead—separated from God—that very day, exactly as God said.


Adam died physically later
Genesis records Adam’s literal death:

“And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
— Genesis 5:5
This fulfilled God’s judgment:
“For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
— Genesis 3:19


➡️ Physical death entered humanity through Adam.


The New Testament confirms Adam truly died
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men.”
— Romans 5:12
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
— 1 Corinthians 15:22

➡️ Adam’s death was real, and it affected all humanity.


✅ Yes, Adam really died

Spiritually — immediately after sinning

Physically — centuries later

God’s word was fulfilled exactly as spoken.

honesttalk21:
In Judaism and Christianity, referring to God, angels, and Satan as spirits does not imply that they have the same nature; spirit is simply a descriptive term rather than an indication of shared identity. Angels and Satan are created beings, whereas God is uncreated, eternal, and self-sufficient. Similarly, Jesus, in his human form, is also created and does not possess God's uncreated essence. Islam takes this a step further by completely rejecting the notion of spirit in relation to Allah, asserting that Allah is not a spirit and is distinct from all of creation. Therefore, in a true monotheistic context, neither Satan, angels, nor Jesus can be equated with God.

Judaism is not the religion Moses or any of ancient Israel prophets practiced that is the religion apostate Jews started after their return from Babylon.

According to the prophets angels are Gods because they share same nature with God the only difference between the Almighty and angels is that angels could be destroyed {Psalms 82:1 & 6} but the only true God cannot be destroyed. But as regards nature they are all spirits that's why rebellious angels could deceive humans into worshiping them since they also have supernatural powers!🙂

You don't have to add salt and Maggi.

This is the meaning of the word "ESSENCE"

Inherent nature of a thing or idea.

True nature of anything, not accidental.

God is a spirit and angels are spirits too.

Satan is also one of them according to the Bible!

honesttalk21:
Your argument fails due to a misunderstanding of the concept of essence. In traditional Jewish and Christian theology, God's essence is described as uncreated, eternal, and self-existent, while angels are considered created beings. Being a spirit does not imply that angels share in God's essence; if that were the case, it would also mean that Satan shares God's essence, which is illogical.

The Scriptures clearly state that angels are created (Psalm 104:4), while God alone is uncreated (Isaiah 44:24). God asserts, I am God, and there is no other, indicating there are no other gods (Isaiah 45:5). Referring to angels or Jesus as spirit sons of God is a functional description rather than a statement about their nature. In the Bible, Son of God signifies someone who is appointed, obedient, or a representative (as seen with Israel in Exodus 4:22 and judges in Psalm 82).

Regarding John 1:1–2, the term Logos refers to God's word or reason, not to a separate divine entity. The Greek text does not include the article before theos, which indicates a description of quality rather than identity. Verse 3 clarifies that everything was created through the Logos, which means the Logos cannot be another created god.

Your viewpoint leads to polytheism, suggesting multiple gods sharing the same essence, which is rejected by the Bible, Judaism, and Islam. Jesus is not one of the gods; rather, he is God's Messiah, empowered and sent by the one Almighty God.

Did Adam REALLY died?🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
According to the Bible, Satan is the liar, not God.

God’s statement was true, but Satan’s statement was deceptive because it redefined what “death” meant and hid its full consequences.

Sunnyshinylight:
First, the text is misquoted and misapplied

The statement “you are dust, and to dust you shall return” is Genesis 3:19, not 3:15.
Genesis 3:19 — “For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

This refers explicitly to the body, not the totality of Adam’s existence.

So between Satan and God who is a liar?

God told Adam "If you eat from the forbidden fruit you (Adam) will die" Genesis 2:17

Satan told Eve "If you eat from the forbidden fruit you will not really die" Genesis 3:4🙂

So you finally admitted that you are not his brother, right?🙂

immaculatesense:
I sent it to u precisely. What are brothers for? Help your brother by sending the response to him on all the questions he has raised.

If you say he doesn't share the same essence as God then you got it wrong because all angels are spirit creatures they all share the same essence with God as spirit beings and that is what Jesus was in the beginning of creation! John 1:1-2
What you should say is that he is not the Almighty God but as for being one of the Gods (spirit sons of God in heaven) Jesus is one of them before his earthly mission!

honesttalk21:
Somewhat absolutely as his friends saw him as God's Son because he embodied and fulfilled the Father's will perfectly. This title acknowledges Jesus' special role without implying that he shares the same essence as God

You just love deceiving yourself!😃

immaculatesense:
You don't have to be lazy boy.
Go check it out. Na Assignment. Nobody go help u do am.

Sunnyshinylight:
Genesis 3:19 describes physical death, not the totality of judgment
“For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” (Genesis 3:19)
This text addresses the body, not the whole scope of divine judgment.

God spoke to Adam not his flesh saying "you (Adam) will return to dust because you (Adam) are dust and to dust you (Adam) will return" Genesis 3:15

That's why Paul could say "the wages of sin is death" not eternal torment! Romans 6:23

It's simple as ABC!🙂

The fact is simple and clear.

God's judgement regarding rebellion is DEATH which means a return to dust {Genesis 3:19} so at death the sinner has been freed from his evil deeds {Romans 6:7} because death is the wages of sin! Romans 6:23

So if you read anything contrary to this in the Bible it's not literal.

Sunnyshinylight:
Jeremiah 7:31 is about pagan child sacrifice, not God’s judgment


Jeremiah 7:31 (ESV)
“They have built the high places of Topheth… to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.”
Key point:


God is condemning unauthorized human sacrifice, a practice He explicitly forbade elsewhere:
Leviticus 18:21 – “You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech.”
Deuteronomy 12:31 – “They burn even their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.”


👉 The phrase “did not come into my heart” means He never commanded nor desired this pagan ritual, not that God is incapable of using fire in judgment.


God Himself repeatedly uses fire as judgment
If Jeremiah 7:31 meant God never torments or judges by fire, it would contradict large portions of Scripture.
Old Testament examples


Genesis 19:24 –
“The LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven.”
Leviticus 10:1–2 –
“Fire came out from before the LORD and consumed them.”
Numbers 16:35 –
“Fire came out from the LORD and consumed the 250 men.”
Isaiah 66:15–16 –
“The LORD will come in fire… to render His anger in fury.”

God explicitly speaks of future fire-based punishment


Daniel
Daniel 12:2 –
“Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
(Contempt implies conscious judgment, not annihilation.)


Jesus Himself teaches torment in fire
If Jeremiah 7:31 meant God never uses fire, then Jesus contradicts God, which is impossible.
Jesus’ words:
Matthew 13:41–42
“The Son of Man will send His angels… and throw them into the furnace of fire. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Mark 9:47–48
“It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than… be thrown into hell,
where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
Luke 16:23–24
“Being in torment… ‘I am in anguish in this flame.’”


Final judgment explicitly involves torment
Revelation 14:10–11
“He will be tormented with fire and sulfur… and the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.”


Revelation 20:10
“They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
This is God’s judgment, not pagan worship.


The correct theological conclusion
Jeremiah 7:31 teaches:
✔ God never desired nor commanded child sacrifice
❌ It does not teach God never judges by fire
❌ It does not override Christ’s teaching on hell
❌ It does not nullify Revelation’s final judgment


Scripture interprets Scripture.
A single verse cannot cancel dozens of explicit passages.


Jeremiah 7:31 condemns pagan cruelty, not divine justice.


God rejects human sacrifice, yet Scripture repeatedly affirms His righteous judgment by fire.
Jesus Himself taught it. Revelation confirms it.

So that is why he (Jesus) was called God's Son by his friends! Matthew 16:16

No prophet could be like Jesus who got that perfect imitation of his heavenly father!

honesttalk21:
You are correct when you say that the Semitic language frequently refers to imitation rather than essence. However, John 5:19 does not teach that Jesus is God for precisely this reason. The Greek is unambiguous that the Son can do nothing from himself refers to a lack of autonomous power rather than free will. Any action taken by the father equates to dependent action rather than power. Similarly, (homoios) are not of the same nature in correspondence. Jesus wouldn't need to say can do nothing of himself if he was just referring to moral imitation. Instead of defining divinity, the verse defines agency and dependence. Jesus does, in fact, mimic God. However, he acts as a sent agent rather than as God.

Before the Bible (perfect word of God) is complete God speaks to people in parts some through dreams or visions or angels but after the completion of God's word the information found in the Bible book of Psalms 1:1-3 becomes applicable for all faithful people!


Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers. ‭Psalms 1:1-3 NIV‬
So instead of presumptuously expecting God to talk what stop you from reading His word and meditating on what you read?
Well the truth is in this system of things Satan is speaking to many claiming he is God or Jesus so it's only those who knows what God said in his word that can escape his trap! 2Corinthians 11:14

God said tormenting living creatures in fire has not come into His heart! Jeremiah 7:31
So what you are thinking is wrong!🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
That interpretation goes beyond what Scripture actually says and redefines clear language.
The Bible explicitly distinguishes examples from ongoing punishment
Sodom and Gomorrah are used as an example, but Scripture never says their punishment is only remembered in human minds.
In fact, Jude contrasts examples with future judgment:
“Even as Sodom and Gomorrah… are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)
Jude does not say “remembered as if suffering,” but “suffering” (present participle).
If this only meant memory, the wording would be misleading.
Revelation’s language is not framed as remembrance
Revelation never says “they will be remembered day and night.” It says:
“They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10)
Elsewhere in Scripture, when remembrance is intended, the Bible clearly says so:
“This shall be a memorial forever.”
(Exodus 12:14)
“Their memory has perished.”
(Psalm 9:6)
God knows how to say “memorial.”
He does not use “tormented day and night” to mean “people will think about them.”
No other biblical judgment text uses torment to mean remembrance
Throughout Scripture, torment is an experience, not a metaphor for memory:
“I am tormented in this flame.” (Luke 16:24)
“They were tormented with great pain.” (Revelation 16:10–11)
If “torment” meant “being remembered,” these passages would become incoherent.
Noah’s flood is never described with torment language
The comparison itself fails.
Noah’s generation is described as:
“Destroyed them all.” (Luke 17:27)
There is no language of torment, day and night, or forever applied to the Flood victims.
Scripture does not treat these judgments the same way linguistically.
Revelation explicitly contrasts destruction with torment
Revelation carefully distinguishes outcomes:
“This is the second death.” (Revelation 20:14)
“And the devil… will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10)
If “torment” simply meant “permanent destruction remembered,” there would be no meaningful difference between “death” and “torment” in the text — yet Scripture keeps them separate.
God does not base punishment on human memory
The claim that torment depends on people continuing to remember judgment is unbiblical.
God’s judgments do not rely on human recollection:
“Vengeance is Mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19)
“The Lord knows how to reserve the unjust under punishment.” (2 Peter 2:9)
Punishment is God-administered, not human-remembered.
Conclusion
The statement fails because:
Scripture never defines torment as remembrance
Revelation does not frame judgment as symbolic memory
Noah and Sodom are described differently on purpose
God’s judgments are active acts of justice, not passive historical recollections
To say “tormented day and night” means “people will think about them” is reading into the text, not drawing meaning from it.
Scripture must define its own terms — and it does.

You need to understand God's word if there is anything you don't get.

Noah's generation was destroyed just as Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed but each time they are mentioned what comes to your mind is how they were punished as if they are still drowning or burning till today. So when God's word says they will be tormented day and night it doesn't mean God will torment dead people rather its metaphorical we will continue to remember how they are destroyed just as we continue to think of Noah and Sodom's generation.

Sunnyshinylight:
The claim that the lake of fire only means destruction doesn’t fully align with Scripture. Revelation 20:10 says the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and “will be tormented day and night forever and ever,” which shows conscious punishment, not annihilation.
Likewise, Revelation 20:14 calls the lake of fire “the second death,” but biblical “death” often means separation, not non-existence. Death and Hades being thrown into the lake of fire signifies the end of their authority, not that everything placed there ceases to exist.
Additionally, Jesus describes eternal punishment in contrast with eternal life (Matthew 25:46), using the same word eternal for both—indicating duration, not destruction. So the lake of fire is presented as a place of final judgment, not merely a symbol of extinction.

NO!
It simply means Jesus has made himself the exact phototype of God through his thoughts, words and actions.

I have been into Islam for many and i've heard many clerics calling humans "sons of Satan" this doesn't mean such a person was born literally by Satan but because the person exhibits Satan's attributes. So what Jesus meant is he always imitate God in all the things he does!

honesttalk21:
According to John 5:19, whatever does not mean that because the Son is God, he does everything God does. It suggests that the Son only acts in total dependence on and submission to the Father, doing whatever the Father permits. John 5:26, Life is given to the Son, John 5:30, I can do nothing of myself, and John 5:36, "Works are assigned by the Father,should all be taken into consideration when understanding this.

May we have appropriate understanding.

False religions claiming Christians made it seem like attending Christian meetings is not necessary so if you don't know the true Christians but associating with any religion claiming Christians you can't know the importance of Christian meetings!

Paul said Christians are to meet together for encouragement on how to continue doing the good works. Hebrews 10:24-25

So what is that GOOD WORKS Jesus assigned to his disciples?

Jesus is a preacher and teacher of God's word and he said that is his food. John 4:34

Therefore at meetings of real Christians what we always discuss is how to go and preach and teach people in our neighborhood about God's Kingdom. Matthew 10:5-13

God's prophet before Jesus' times told us what this work will bring. He said it's through this work that names of those preaching and those paying attention will be written in God's memory book {Malachi 3:16} and it's only those whose names are found in God's memory book that will not be destroyed! Revelation 20:15

So if anyone refuses to accept what Jesus commanded his disciples to keep on doing till the end of this system of things {Matthew 28:19-20} such a person can't be saved. That's the reason why you must believe that Jesus is God's only begotten Son {John 3:16} because he is the only one (way) through whom we can do works of faith to please God!