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LordReed:
Yes we already know you are conceited, no need to remind us.

There is a big difference between people who values information and knows how to impact the life of others with it and people who have no idea what information can do.
That's why you have nobody to learn from you!🤣

LordReed:
So counter his points.

For what reason?
If you want to learn what you ought to do is present what he told you so i can explain for you but since you don't even care what is the essence of wasting my data when i already know he doesn't understand what the scriptures teaches?🙂

Kikelomogbenga:
The Jews have never denied the existence of Jesus undecided How is this a point that should be highlighted? What is more interesting are the many claims made by people who profess or deny his divinity.

Only true Christians knows the power of information that's why we scrutinize whatever we hear or read so as to know the benefits before sharing it with others but as for most people it's whatever they come across they throw at others expecting right thinking persons to swallow it and make decision based on what they themselves never grasp!😟

LordReed:
LoLz. Watch the video and counter his points. Or don't, its your business.

Well i already know he is MISINFORMED!🤣

LordReed:
No I am not telling you. LoLz.

That's why the people i always quote are really amazed at the way i'm presenting what i know in a convincing manner because they know it's really hard to find such a person!🙂

Funny atheist!🤣

Calling Churchgoers "Christians" instead of studying the Bible to know who are the real Christians and when they want to talk they condemn the faith based on what Churchgoers told them.
Now that you have the opportunity to know what Christianity truly means you decided to accuse the person helping you of maligning those you yourself already condemned as delusional.

How can people be this dishonest?🤣

Roycemadeit:
What he said doesn’t mean I’ll repeat it, we understand differently. You claim to know more than ordinary Christians too. Religion is conditioning: God never appeared to tell you how to reach Him. If you were born elsewhere, you likely wouldn’t know this God at all, you might fight or condemn those who believe in him.

Now learn what most people like you don't know.

This is what you typed with your hands:

Roycemadeit:
Read to understand, not to wear a cape and never fly

What's the essence of UNDERSTANDING that's not BENEFICIAL?

So real believers don't just follow the crowd {Exodus 23:2} we seek what is beneficial to everyone around us so you are wrong because i was born into Islam but never took it seriously and almost becoming an atheist until i met the true Christians who helped me to get what i've always wanted: Knowledge that is beneficial to everyone! Isaiah 1:18

Unlike you who just swallow anything in the name of new information i ask for how such information can benefit all the people around me.

Roycemadeit:
Read to understand, not to wear a cape and never fly

See a comment from another atheist:

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

It's OK jàre na SARCASM too!🤣

Roycemadeit:
Funny Fellow.

Whatever!

Roycemadeit:
You mistook mockery for validation.

After a tough discussion here is your last comment on that thread:

Roycemadeit:
Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality...

S h a m e l e s s n e s s really eludes most people walahi talahi.

When you people don't know what else to do you turn to hinding behind a finger.

If truthfully you weren't silenced what is the essence of asking me to connect faith to reality?

You ran away from that thread after i did exactly what you asked and never replied the comment only for you now to claim it was sarcasm.

Ọmọ nobody will flog you for choosing atheism it's your choice but don't think you know better than true believers we are using the Bible to help millions across the globe to solve problems both in their homes and neighborhood.

So you are free to exempt yourself!🙂

LordReed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMftlybrOBs

@ LordReed
For instance you brought this video to the forum for a reason.
Apart from helping others to gain more knowledge is there any purpose behind it?
So if you want others to gain from the video why not tell us what you yourself have gained before expecting others to burn their data in watching the video?
That's what sensibility entails!🙂

LordReed:
I for one learned from people like DeepSight and Plaetton.

When someone said he or she LEARNED something it's not audio speech o there should be a benefit that's when you can pass or help others to learn what you gained otherwise it's useless.

Please tell me one single thing you have learned from them that's BENEFICIAL to you and others around you?

Sometimes it's worthwhile testing the IQ of some people who feels they are wise because it will help you know how low the thinking of many yet they claims to be wiser than their neighbors!🤣

MYGODISNOTWEAK:
🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
CHRISTMAS SEASON PREACHINGS
www.youtube.com/@PalmyOnlineTV?sub_confirmation=1

What is Christmas?
I haven't seen anything like that in God's word so can you explain where this idea come from?
Thanks in advance!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahaha! Oga anybody can see you are a conceited B U F F O O N. You tried to taunt DeepSight with a list of people praising you and here you are trying to slimily switch it to something else. You are the very essence of slimy dishonesty. LoLz.

Your profile and that of your friend shows you've been on this forum since 2008 & 2008 respectfully that's almost 20 years now.

Please has anyone ever learned anything from you guys over the years?

LordReed:
I said self centered boasting. You talking about people praising you is self centered boasting. Anyone can see you cannot be honest.

O l ó d ooooooo!

Again you failed woefully in reasoning because i'm always referring anyone who wish to know the truth to God's organized people as evidence of what i'm saying. Can you present any organized people practicing what you are saying apart from self centered idea not practical in any group?

Ọmọ you don't know what self centered boasting really means!

Rabbi and Teacher are common religious titles in the first century and Jesus explained how those bearing these titles are evil. Matthew 23:3-7
The same thing is what the modern day religious title bearers are doing.

You are confused because of the things they are doing to blindfold people but we hold on tight to what Jesus said!🙂

triplechoice:
You have now accused me of having as "soft spot" and being "bribed" . You continue to preach your specific interpretation of scripture as if it is the only possible one.
The reason Jesus advised against titles like "Rabbi and "Father" was to ensure humility and equality among his disciples, to prevent hierarchy of pride. It was not a declaration that titles are the root cause of financial corruption or exploitation in the church. That is your personal interpretation, not the plain meaning of the text
And this confirms my point entirely. You're not here to debate the thread's topic. You're here to preach your doctrine. You're here to attack anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you

No reasonable discussion can happen under those conditions. I have addressed the logical error in the OP''s statement. You're welcome to your theological opinions. I'm done

LordReed:
Remind me what your book says about self centered boasting. LoLz.

We must boast that we know Jehovah! Jeremiah 9:22-24

triplechoice:
You arguing in bad faith. I'm not the person who created the thread. So why accusing me of having bad intentions concerning a debate I did not start.

The OP spoke his mind regarding what is evil in the churches of Christendom and i showed him what Jesus said about title bearing outside the church it's you that came quoting me out of context talking about politicians when i never mention politicians in my post all because you have a soft spot for self righteousness title bearers who has bribed you.
This is what the scriptures say:
Self righteousness is worthless before the true God {Isaiah 64:6} so to worship God acceptably we must obey whatever His son declares {Matthew 17:5} many are pretending with their gifts so they can make a name for themselves before you {Matthew 6:2} the reason is to gain attention from gullible onlookers but even if they die in the process it's not the love for God they had but hidden agenda! 1Corinthans 13:2-3

So to be a real Christian there shouldn't be anything like title bearing outside the church of Christ so only his disciples will recognize you for the way you are serving your Christian brothers not creating public awareness.

That's why Jesus condemned it!

triplechoice:
You are the one guilty of what you accusing me of. OP did not say the title "pastor" is just "a position within the religious setting" He said ," pastor is a position in a Religious Business company" Go and read it again so you don't derail the thread.

Your bad intentions is what's giving you a problem.

There is no single Christian bearing titles outside the church if you find any person whatever righteousness they are trying to claim with their works is unchristian as long as they don't adhere to Jesus' command.

No disciple of Christ should bear religious titles outside the congregation simple as ABC! Matthew 23:2-10

So even if the person share food with you in your house and pay your hospital bills as long as he doesn't adhere to what Jesus taught he is not a Christian!🙂

LordReed:
LoLz! Your lies are plastered all over Nairaland and you already have the reputation. Guy your conceited boasting is not my style, ok. Bwahahahahahahaha!

One can only boast of achievements nah!🙂

triplechoice:
I did not say a " Christian is expected to hold any title recognisable outside the church "
I said it is not true that the title "pastor" is the root cause of corruption in the church.

That's why i said you often misplace the comments of others.

OP said the title PASTOR is just position within the religious setting and i said it's even unchristian.

So if you don't know what to say stop quoting others out of point.

LordReed:
And I have consistently shown you to be a liar. You always make claims against me that are not true. It is almost like clock work. I mean just look at your very first post on this thread.
And you had to keep changing the meaning of logic and even lied that you got a definition from Oxford dictionary when it was not Oxford dictionary. It is just too easy to show your IQ is L I E. You can't help yourself.
LMAO! Guy I am not so conceited like you to be boasting upandan Nairaland about how people praised me. Just imagine you can't even obey your Bible in this matter. LoLz.

Covering up your shame by accusing me of lie lie lie won't save your face.

You have never helped anyone to reason logically on this forum all you do is argue argue and argue just to prove you are not submissive to any school of thought!

triplechoice:
I'm not "misplacing" what you said. You are the one "misplacing" it by shifting the goalpost.
You just said the title , "pastor" is the root cause of corruption in churches. Now you're arguing that public titles disobey Jesus. Those are two different debates. The first is a logical claim I've addressed. The second is a doctrinal one I'm not having. This discussion is over.
Thank you.

There is nothing like public titles in true Christianity no Christian is expected to hold any title recognisable outside the church.

Is Ini Edo or Film makers members of CAN?
Surely these people are politicians not Christians because Jesus commanded his own disciples not to force anything on outsiders! Matthew 10:16

triplechoice:
You are arguing that if we simply remove the word "pastor", exploitation would vanish. By that logic, remaining, "corruption" would end corruption, or remaining "Nigerian senators" would end corruption in the upper chamber.
No. This doesn't make sense. Corruption resides in individuals and systems, not in titles . If the title itself were the cause, then every single person bearing it would be doing the same thing, operating a "Religious Business Company". That is plainly false.

You are misplacing what i said.

In politics you have the right to bear whatever title you hold since it's not by faith that people must recognize you rather it's by force as your attendants carry weapons to intimidate whoever look down on you but in Christianity we are submissive to those taking the lead among us because we respect Jesus who is the head of the church.

So if Jesus commanded that they should not take their office to the public we in the congregation gives them double honor even though those outside don't know who they are or what service they are rendering to God's flock.

LordReed:
LoLz! I said it to you, you must try to twist the book to fit whatever story you want to tell. Your own IQ is not rated in figures, it is rated as 3 letters L I E. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I've told you countless times that wise people don't go about claiming others lie rather we prove it through presentations you can't deny.

I told you when people are BENEFITING from what they learned in the Bible that is what LOGIC means to us.

You tried to dodge the fact until you see that logic is a step to step means of solving problems through our thinking faculty. Your shame is that throughout all your years on the religion section of Nairaland you have never helped a single person to benefit all you do is argue aimlessly!

triplechoice:
Topics of discussion arise from reality, not from ideal world's. We discuss corruption among politicians because politicians exist. Arguing we wouldn't need to discuss it if the role didn't exist is trivial and avoids the actual discussion about the people who do fill the role of "pastor".

That's why i go straight to the root cause of the problem: failure to adhere to what Jesus taught!

LordReed:
The question again: Where in the verse does it mention logical reasoning?

Faith is what will lead to mankind's peace so if you are expecting logical reasoning to be mentioned first ọmọ it shows the level of your IQ!

Who cares what you think?

I'm talking about what Jesus taught which if not strictly adhered to will lead to problems that warrants the topic of discussion now.

So if nobody bears titles in Christianity do you think such could be a topic of discussion in the first place?

triplechoice:
Your comment introduces a different issue that is irrelevant to the ongoing discussion. The topic is not whether it is right for Christians to bear the title of pastor according to one's scriptural interpretation. The topic is whether it is factually accurate to claim that every single person who currently bears that title is necessary holding a position in a "Religious Business Company" , or is inherently corrupt.

LordReed:
So you are now contradicting your own Bible. LoLz.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Where in this verse does it mention logical reasoning?
I told you you are going to argue with the book. Bwahahahahahaha!

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Here is another way the same verse is rendered

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

From the above definition it's clear that faith has WORKS to do {James 2:26} with CONVICTION that's where DEMONSTRATION comes in.

GOD promised a time when peace will fill planet earth {Psalms 37:9-11} so if you can't figure out how such could be possible REAL FAITH will prove it to you as FAITHFUL PEOPLE DEMONSTRATE it among themselves globally. John 13:34-35