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Lamasta:
I can only say itt is well with you, shalom.

It's OK, just know that the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel) never appointed a female to lead males in worship.
That's what we found WRITTEN in the Bible!

AntiChristian:
I got points in that we know your Bible was doctored! And your awake magazine confirmed it. Why does some Bible versions have that Mark endings while some don't? Why does many Bible verses have trinitarian dogma embedded while yours doesn't have much of it? And the Bible all came from one source - God breathed inspiration!

Have you gotten a version of the Bible that says Jesus never resurrected?

Lamasta:
He needs to learn more he's becoming authoritative in his opinions

It's never my opinion it's the authority as found WRITTEN in God's word against which no one has a say! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

Lamasta:
The writings of Paul are his personal opinions not that of Yahweh 1 Corinthians 7:6, II Corinthians 11:17

The highlighted is what you should have said from the onset to avoid being taught the truth!
For your information Jesus chose Paul to serve as apostle for the gentiles {Act 9:15} and apostle Peter admonished us to listen and learn Christianity from Paul {2Peter 3:15} because God gave him wisdom required to establish churches according to Jesus' instructions.
So if you're a Jew and feel like Paul isn't qualified enough to teach you Christianity you can be excused but as a gentile you have no option than to stick to whatever Paul say should be the norm in Christianity!

Lamasta:
You don't have any point again so stop the agenda against women leading services in church, God has never rejected women from ministering in his vineyard it is you lots that wants to be pushing an agenda against women serving in church which has no biblical backing or Yahweh's backing.....

You're not getting the point do you?

Women do minister in my church but to lead in worship or teach men in church is what the Bible CONDEMNS!

Here are the Bible verses again:

"Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent" 1Timothy 2:11-12

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. 1Corinthans 11:3

In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, wives should also be to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:24

let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak. Rather, let them be in subjection, as the Law also says. If they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the congregation. 1Corinthans 14:34-35

You can twist it as you want but know it's God's word not mine!

Lamasta:
You are not saying any truth you are only saying from your little knowledge, I have asked you where in the bible was it written that women should not pastor a church or Jesus emphatically said it that women should not pastor a church you did not give a direct answer but beating round the bush telling us you have knowledge......
You can compare me with whatever you like cos am not surprise though but one thing is sure You can never know the ways of God fully no matter how knowledgeable you think you are

Where in the Bible is it written that a woman has served as pastor in church?

GreatAchiever1:
Unlike you that shy away from direct questions thrown at you. I will answer this. Scriptures contain everything needed for life and godliness which is shown in 2 Peter 1:3-4. It says, " His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
This verse highlights that believers have all they need to live a life that pleases God and to experience His promises because of God's omnipotence and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and that includes gender roles amongst others , so going by that, your answer is A.

Many have trashed faith in God but when others are talking about faith they rush in not for righteousness but to discourage faithful ones.

Please ask him the church where he practice his own Christianity today.

At least he was once a JW the funny thing is he criticizes all churches that stands out from corruption.

Before i used to engage him as he often speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses but the last time i noticed him speaking against Kumuyi i realized he's not interested in faith again he's just trolling up and down!

Lamasta:
Go and sit down are you John the Baptist seeing visions

I'm not standing in the first place so if you are not comfortable with the truth it's no big issue that's the same way the prophets of Baal in Israel were arguing against Elijah despite seeing what Moses taught in the law. Matthew 5:11-12
No woman has ever led worship in God's word they are appreciated for the part they played in supporting pure worship in kind but they were never part of Priests in the Old Testament or Apostles in the New Testament!

Jerryhare:
Old testament was completed in 10th century BCE while NT was composed and completed in 2nd centuries CE. Are you now saying Russell lived during this period?

Do you know the meaning of a century?

Well Malachi and some prophets live around 500 years to the time of Christ so you failed woefully in this attempt try another time!

Russell lived when the last Bible book has been completed some 19 centuries later so he has the complete word of God.

Jerryhare:
Are you now separating yourself from your brothers and daddies in the religion of Russell caught in criminalities acts?

You don't even know the meaning of that word "BROTHERS in the Lord" since you don't have a brother in faith at all.
For your information it means people having the same beliefs Jusas Iscariot's attitude doesn't mean Jesus' disciples are all traitors!

Lamasta:
You one you think you know you only know it in part

Knowing in part back then simply means the Bible has not been completed if you don't understand that's why John the last inspired writer said:

"NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION" Revelations 22:18-19

Otherwise you have nothing to say when Muslims claim they got something new!

Lamasta:
What you know even till today is incomplete you are not omnipotent or omniscient

So let us practice the one we know now and leave the ones unknown!

judewrites:
Paul was simply instructing order in the then Corinthian church. The Corinthian church women were not organized in their speaking in church and that was why Paul said they should be silent.
Why would God put the HOLY GHOST in men and women and expect women to be quiet?
Haba, don't be biased.

God's Holy Spirit works in many ways so the spirit given to females in Christianity is not to lead in worship that's why Paul said angels are concerned! 1Corinthans 11:10
The letters must be read in all the churches not only among Corinthians!

judewrites:
Exactly the point I was trying to prove.
Paul was directly addressing the Corinthian church and not as a general standard that women shouldn't lead churches.

Sorry this is not true!

Paul said each letter should be read in all the churches he established:

And when this letter has been read among you, arrange for it also to be read in the congregation of the La·o·di·ceʹans and for you also to read the one from La·o·di·ceʹa. Colossians 4:16


I am putting you under the solemn obligation by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers. 1Thessalonians 5:27

The letters are for all the congregations!

Lamasta:
We are just going back and forth on this issue, my point is that Jesus did not specifically instructed that females should not pastor a church; Him choosing 12 males to disciple does not necessarily mean he relegated women in the work of the ministry that's why I sited to you I Corinthians 13: 9 cos we only know in part.....

You don't understand the import of that verse! 1Corinthans 13:9

Paul wrote this letter around 60-66 c.e. that's around three decades after Jesus' death so the Bible (Complete Scriptures) has not been completed which means all what they knew as at that time is still INCOMPLETE since the Bible has not been complete the inspiration continues until around 98 c.e. by that time Paul has been killed when John the apostle wrote his letters and gospel.

That's what Paul meant not that we will now abandon the standard Jesus laid down and start practicing what is not in his teachings.

Whether you like it or not a teacher does not need to say everything by words his actions also teaches intelligent students as they watches everything he does not just words! 1Peter 2:21

AntiChristian:
We know Mark was the most earliest of the Gospels and it was not added until later!
So we know this was doctored to balance up what is found in other places!

Well until you find a version of the Bible that says Jesus never resurrected you've got no point my friend!

The problem with most people claiming Christians is they don't see Jesus as Lord and Teacher because if someone you call "Lord" sets a standard you shouldn't think of doing things contrary to what he did! Matthew 15:7-9

How can you people keep shouting
"Jesus is Lord" in your worship centers but disregard the pattern he set among his own disciples? Matthew 7:21-23

Lamasta:
Show me a verse to establish your claims

In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely! 1Peter 2:21

Did Jesus choose a female among his Apostles?
NO!
So we follow his footsteps CLOSELY!

Lamasta:
Make It Corinthians 13:9 your watchword when it comes to the things of God....
For we know in part and we prophesy in part

Please don't change the subject we are talking about females leading during worship in Israel!

Lamasta:
Show me where Jesus said a female must not lead in the church?

He has spoken through his ACTIONS nah!

How else do you expect someone to say "i don't want a female to lead among you" after he chose twelve apostles not one not two not three but twelve men out of numerous disciples among whom were many females?

Lamasta:
Moses officiated as a priest also but he has a higher task given to him by God which makes him annoint Aaron to oversee the office

NO!
Moses was chosen to lead the Israelites to the promised land and establish the laws as well as pure worship but officiating inside the Tabernacle strictly was given to Aaron!

Lamasta:
Just admit you don't like women leading in the church simple instead of coming here to tell is God did not chose them to do that

Well we are following what God's people PRACTICED in the Bible!

Lamasta:
That Jesus did not chose a female among the 12 does not signify that Jesus rejected them from pastoring a church

Jesus has set the standard so his true disciples follow his footsteps CLOSELY {1Peter 2:21} that's the same thing Paul is emphasizing!

Lamasta:
Have you read Psalms 99:6 that talks about Moses

Did any Psalms say Moses could officiate inside the Tabernacle/Temple?
This is the reason why you people needs to STUDY the Bible not just reading it.

Moses was a prophet but when talking about the Tabernacle and the priest who should officiate inside it Moses step aside because that office was given to Aaron his brother.

So don't think it's mixed together a king in Israel like David was a prophet but he has no right inside the Tabernacle to lead during worship!

AntiChristian:
The dubious Mark ending is enough to crucify you on this!

Did any version of the Bible say Jesus was not resurrected?

Lamasta:
I sited Deborah as an example of how God used her as an example to lead the nation of Israel as a prophetess you are still typing God can never chose a female, shay you be God ni

Do you know why God established the Tabernacle?
Well that's the place where worship was done in Israel and no single female leads there, Deborah leads the Israelites as a prophetess and judge her office of oversight has nothing to do inside the Tabernacle!

AntiChristian:
Which Bible are you talking about sir? The JW Bible or the other 101 Bible translations or the thousands of manuscripts that are not the exactly the same thing?
Abeg no start confusion again!

Mention a Bible version you know that's not in agreement with Jesus' resurrection!

Jerryhare:
I trust them with many channels that reported you people of Russell, you're good at committing atrocities!

Does this mean that whatever CNN and BBC reports about the Bible is correct?

Jerryhare:
Does Russell learn from Jesus himself?

Your grievances won't change the fact that Russell lived in the time the Bible (God's word) has been completed whereas all ancient servants of God lived when the message is not complete! 1Corinthans 13:12

Jerryhare:
What you gained from Russell are those acts BBC and CNN reported of you!

This is where you lied to your own soul!
Neither BBC nor CNN know me in person so if they report i can't be involved.

Lamasta:
If God used women to deliver nations like Israel and raised them as Judge and prophetess is it church God cannot use them to pastor??

You don't get it.
A woman may have the heart of a lioness which is the spirit of justice but when talking about leadership during worship God never chose a female!

Lamasta:
Deborah was a prophetess that led the children of God just like Moses and God used her in that capacity as a leader....
Study the book of Judges 4: 4 - END
There is no discrimination with God when it comes to vessels to use for his work so stop bringing your personal view to God's work

Moses is not the Highpriest but Aaron his brother there is a different between a prophet and a priest, priests are those taking the lead in worship while prophets pass direct messages from God to the people.
So a female could serve as prophet but never as a priest that's why Jesus never chose a female to serve as an apostle in the midst of his disciples!

Hushpuppy20:
Whao, are you angry bro? I don't understand you.

That's why i don't respond to faithless people who just want to argue aimlessly.
I noticed how you quickly mentioned the name of your church (C.A.C) to prove your church is practicing what you are saying.
Many don't attend any church yet they just feel like arguing aimlessly.

Mutaino7:
Priscilla was a leader in the church and one of the people that mentored paul

Priscilla was with her husband Aquila {Act 18:2} as the wife of an older man in the Christian congregation she will also assist her husband in caring for Paul nah not that she will lead in worship o!