₦airaland Forum

Jesus talked about two different events in the Bible book of Matthew 24.

The first mistranslated "coming" actually means "presence" so what this connotes is that by the time Jesus is given the kingship to start judging in the midst of his enemies {Psalms 110:1-2} his first line of action is to sack Satan and all his demons out of heaven! Revelations 12:7

What will be the effect of this event on planet earth?

Satan and his demons will come down to the earth and start causing trouble for mankind {Revelations 12:11-12} that is what Jesus explained in his message at Matthew 24:7-13

But when will all these bad occurrences end completely?

That is what Jesus said he himself does not know neither the angels in heaven except his father who has the final say!

So the first event regarding Jesus' presence in power as king in heaven will be obvious due to the circumstances we will find ourselves on earth but when will it end completely Jesus said nobody knows except the only true God!

FreeIgboho:
You are lost in minutae and therefore cannot see the big picture. Here's an illustration:
A man makes a bow to Moses or any other prophet and they'll say to him: "Why are you bowing to me? Am I God?
Same man says to Jesus (slowly): "It just dawned on me, you are actually God the Son of God!"
Jesus will say to him (somewhat excitedly): "Now he gets it! That's what I've been trying to tell you people! Do I have to spell everything out for you? You are so slow to understand because you are very hard-hearted!"
Someone was accused severally by people who knew him and listened to him of claiming to be God and you are here quibbling that his "I am" meant "I exist"!

Here is the verse you are referencing:

“Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” John 8:58

It's not difficult to grasp!

Ruke1990:
All knees must bow to Jesus.

It's a pity you don't even know what this means!
Bowing to Jesus in this context simply means OBEYING him not WORSHIP as you people thinks.
That's why he said:
‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ Matthew 15:8-9
So worshiping Jesus is futile obedience is what he requires of his disciples.
If i should put you and your church to scrutiny now to see whether you people are OBEDIENT to Jesus' orders you will be confused because you've not been taught how to do what he commanded!

FreeIgboho:
Show us ONE instance where Jesus said : "I'm only a man". Far from it, he says "I am", knowing fully well the implication to the Jews!

"Son of man" Matthew 20:28; 24:37,39; 25:31
The son of man means he is a man.
He prayed to God several times just like all other humans do pray to God.
He cried to God for help just like all other people do. Hebrews 5:7
He told his disciples that they are his brothers and God is the father of both him and his disciples. John 20:17
This "i am" in that context means "i exist" anybody can say it when asked a question. John 4:26

Jerryhare:
All the servants of God in the Bible lived before the Bible was compiled.. says Russell follower!

That is the ultimate truth!

Jerryhare:
Wa gbadun las las, oya which book did Jesus read in synagogue, Is Jesus not God's sent to humanity? Did Jesus lived after the word he read was written down if to go by your stupid..iity utterances that all the servants of God in the Bible lived before the Bible was compiled?
Go back to your hall, tell your elder that you've been brainwaa.shed by Russell's teachings!

Insults can't save your face in this one you can ask for help at least Jesus said to his disciples:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come." John 16:12-13

What the holy spirit revealed to them is now part of what made up the Bible today.

So back to the main point:

Mankind didn't have the complete word of God even when Jesus walked the earth it's after him that his own life, ministry and teachings was included in the Bible!

FreeIgboho:
Here is what you quoted. Can you imagine Jesus saying this?
25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

He said the same thing several times but people like you just turned the blind eye!

FreeIgboho:
You read your Bible, right? Which other time do you see anybody do obeisance to child, talkless if one born in a manger where animals are kept?

ọmọ it's obeisance and it could be done to anyone! Act 10:25

Jesus is the Key!
Mankind needs a role model that will be like our king leading and teaching us how to cohabit peacefully.
That's why God gave us Jesus so that all those believing his yardstick for lasting peace and security could be saved in the day God comes with His own judgement!

FreeIgboho:
Man (which includes you and your brothers) know almost nothing talkless of defining God. We only know Jesus is God from evidence NOT from our reasoning or logic. See below, same thing happened with Simeon the old man and Anna, the old widow:

Mathew 2:
The star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them. It finally stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were filled with joy. 11 The Wise Men went to the house. There they saw the child with his mother Mary. They bowed down and worshiped him.

Guy don't worry yourself further it's not easy to agree since you have no definition for your own God i believe you already know where the problem is and that settles the issue.
We have a definition of God and we've all agreed upon that definition so it is WORKING for our faith {James 2:18} and yielding positive results in our midst! John 13:34-35

As for what you quoted this is what my own Bible says:

And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did obeisance to him. Matthew 2:11a

FreeIgboho:
That's the thing - you don't know anything, neither do I. So we ree in no position to be saying whether the Word of God can be God and at same time be with God. Just as we are in no position to say whether God can be in heaven and at same time be in each of us or is able to listen to a million prayers all at once, etc

I and my millions of my faithful brothers globally have agreed on the definition of our own God so there's no need crossing the lines if you don't have any definition for your own God!

FreeIgboho:
God has no definition in human terms.

So you have to keep what you know while i keep mine no wahala!

Even God won't forget but when the person turns a new leaf and start doing good deeds ọmọ you go forget.
Only evil people don't forget your past blunders after you've changed!

FreeIgboho:
I think you have a problem with language syntax.
"In the beginning was the president of Nigeria and the president of Nigeria was with..."
Who'd ever write that??

Millions have written things like that when the person is no longer physically around!

FreeIgboho:
Ok, let's replace "word" with president and you'll see you're obviously wrong:
"In the beginning was the president, and the president was with..."
See the nonsense? You'd use the president's name: "In the beginning was John, and John was with..."

The nonsense is when a translator says the word WAS God and with God, no one has seen God but people saw the word!
The person in question could be with anyone nah, the point of emphasis is that the word has been with God in the beginning that doesn't mean he became the word in the beginning.

GothamCities:
Of course to the worshippers of Zeus, Ra, Hermes, etc, they're all Gods but do we submit to their standards or the standards of the Holy Scriptures?

So there is no different except what each God is able to do!

Jerryhare:
I am only exposing your ignorant and gullibility so therefore, it is not about arrogant!
Jesus stood in synagogue to read the word of God written down in Old testament. Did he lived after the word he read was written down?
You need that knowledge most and stop turning the word of God upside down you Russell people

Pẹ̀lẹ́, at least you know now that Bible was completed at c.e not b.c.e

That's enough for a take home!

Bodexman:
Good morning guys.
Just a rhetorical question.
If it is certain that the Dead Are Living Like Billionaires And Millionaires on the other side, living their lives to the fullest, will the majority alive prefer to live here or join them?

It's a lie that we can expose using our common sense.

Nobody wants to die.

Why?

Because God has no plan for the dead it's only the living that can bring Him praises that's why He promised to bring the dead back to life here on planet earth! John 5:28-29; Act 24:15

At death we know nothing, we feel nothing in fact all our memories are gone just like someone who is in a deep sleep! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

helinues:
Nothing can come out from nothing, it must be from something. Why should planet earth be special to God/creator when there are trillions if not infinite planets, galaxies in the universe?
When would the so called God interfere in the suffering in planet earth not to talk of the senseless wars across the earth?

God promised to make obedient humans settle their disparities peacefully among themselves:

In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. ‭Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 NIV‬


So He is destroying the weapons of war spiritually speaking:



He makes wars cease to the ends of the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the shields with fire. ‭Psalms 46:9 NIV‬


Jehovah's Witnesses are doing this as we penetrate world's most racist nations to convince peace lovers among them to get prepared for a global showdown with the Prince of Peace who is coming with his angels to ruin those ruining our planet home! Revelations 11:18 compare to Luke 19:27


So true disciples of Christ Jesus don't use weapons in settling our differences! Matthew 26:52

GothamCities:
Yeah, there is.
There's nothing like a God because there's only one God - The God.
A god, not a God refers to idols.

Hilarious!

If you must know Bible interpreters used the lower case for the Gods they called idols but to worshipers of Zeus, Hermes, Jupiter, Ra and likes they are all GODS.
So the only difference is the name not upper or lower case.
PRESIDENT, President and president means the same thing!

GothamCities:
God didn't make Moses God. He only made him a god, not God to Pharaoh. Only Pharaoh. To command pharaoh and to show him power. That's all.
Jesus was not made God. He is God. Tell me where He was made God. Moses was not Devine. Jesus is. He is the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

Is there any difference between being God and a God?

GothamCities:
Unfortunately, the Bible didn't say o. The Bible says there's only One God and Father.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father."

For us, there's only one God, the Father. For the infidels and unbelievers, there are Mighty Gods.



There's only one Father unfortunately and there's no meaning to it. The only Everlasting Father is the Almighty God. There's no other who.takes the title of EVERLASTING other than the Mighty God.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father.



He is not your God because you have an alien Gospel founded on your own custom Bible.

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:5-6.

GOD made Moses God just as He made Jesus God! Exodus 7:1

Jerryhare:
Did you always think before typing?
Your grievances won't change the fact that Russell lived in the time the Bible (God's word) has been completed whereas all ancient servants of God lived when the message is not complete! 1Corinthans 13:12
So whosoever lived before 19th century has no access to OT and NT which is the word of God right?

Ọmọ no be by arrogance you must have humility to acquire knowledge of God's word!
All the servants of God in the Bible lived before the Bible was compiled so they have partial knowledge of God's word unlike Russel, you and i today that has the whole books combined together that's what i told you.

FreeIgboho:
So "the Word of God" is a proper name given after successful mission to earth. Who knew. Strange theology. So why did it say he was Word of God "in the beginning"?

John is talking about the origin of this one who later became the word of God.

It's like saying:
"The president of Nigeria WAS a student of St Peter Anglican church" that doesn't mean he has become the president as a student in primary school nah!

GothamCities:
Who is actually this Son of your God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 6:9.

Mighty God means he is among the mighty Gods in heaven! Psalms 82:1,6

Everlasting Father means through him billions of humans will be redeemed as God's children born by faith in Christ.
So just as Adam (our human father) transmitter sin and death to all humans Jesus (our spiritual father) became a life giving spirit and unlike Adam Jesus will live forever! 1Corinthans 15:45

I wouldn't have responded to this thread if that commentator did not mention "Jehovah's Witnesses" we know the role Jesus played in the salvation of mankind but that he is our God?
NO!

FreeIgboho:
Isn't the word of God also God?

You can twist it anyhow you want but as it's written in God's word Bible Jesus was given a name after his earthly mission that name is the Word Of God.
Why?
Because he has been God's mouthpiece in heaven before all other angels himself being one of them but after he succeeded in making some humans God's children through his ministry and sacrificed his perfect human life to redeem them God gave him that name:

The Word Of God! Revelations 19:13

So the person given that name is totally different from the person who gave him that name!

Jerryhare:
I love the way you're diligently and willingly displaying your ignorance for us here! You're now a Laughing stock
The period of 2 century ce was 1st January 101 AD – 31 December 200 AD while 1800 CE falls within the Early Modern Period (1500-1800 CE). Seeing these time frame and periods, are they the same?

There's no reason being ignorant and the same time being arrogant.

Whoever lived in the 19th century has the access to the complete Bible which is the OT and NT compiled together period!

FreeIgboho:
Then also quote John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This is what my Bible says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God.  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. John 1:1-3

The title GOD was misconstrued by trinitarians because Jesus can't be God and at the same time said to be with God!

GothamCities:
Do you know that you only need to know this Jesus Christ in order to know this only true God? You don't need to know anything else to know God. Just know Jesus Christ. Why?
"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" John 14:9

Of course his father was not seen at any time {John 1:18} so for us to know all the attributes of his father we must continue listening to Jesus studying each moment of his thoughts and actions! Matthew 17:5
That's why Paul the apostle said:

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. 1Corinthans 2:16

Jesus himself said to one of his disciples:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

So Jesus' father is my father and Jesus' God is my God but as for Jesus himself he is the Son of my God! Matthew 16:16

Jerryhare:
Did Russell lived during this period when OT and NT was completed?

Now you got it right!
YES!
Russell lived around 1800 c.e when both OT and NT has been compiled into one big book!

God's Kingdom is the main theme of Jesus' message! Matthew 3:2; 4:17; 10:7

When God's Kingdom comes:
*Earth will be filled with plenty of good food! Psalms 72:16
*The lame will walk, dumb will speak! Isaiah 35:6
*Blind will see! Isaiah 35:5
*Old will return to youth! Job 33:25
*Death will be no more! Isaiah 25:8
*All the forces of nature will work for our good! Psalms 67:6-7
*There will be a good government that will make life like Paradise for inhabitants of the earth! Psalms 37:9-11

All these things Jesus proved his God's given power will do when he becomes the king in God's Kingdom! Matthew 11:4-5

But what happens to those who have died before all these goodies?

That's what led to the news that the dead will come back to life! Daniel 12:2

So Jesus' disciples keeps telling everyone who is willing to listen that just as Jesus raised many dead people and resurrected from the grave Christians are happy to tell you that those sleeping in death will be raised back to life! Act 24:15 compare to John 5:28-29

AntiChristian:
Stop ascribing lies to me as I am not ọmọ muhammadu.
Allah says what means:
Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All­Aware of everything. Al-Ahzab 33:40.

What is my business with whatever your Allah says?
Ọmọ Muhammadu, if truly you're not in anyway related to Muhammadu then prove that your prophet is sent by the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

AntiChristian:
And why didn't Jesus accuse them of what you claim? Jesus refused to use the established law! He as the Judge of God on earth should have told them told them to bring the other party to the sin! And also expose them of their own crimes! But in the end, no law was used. Every sinner goes Scot free!

Jesus did not come to judge sinners {John 3:17-18} if anyone found himself or herself in a tight situation Jesus shows mercy! Matthew 9:13 compare to Psalms 103:12

So ọmọ Muhammadu face your Allah the Bible God has nothing to do with your Allah or Muhammadu!