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divinetouch24:
1. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

He wasn't against celebrating Jesus so called Said birthday. He is only against how people turned it into idol Worship and the story surrounding the set of people who started the term Christmas.. The only thing Christ said we do in remembrance of him is the LORD'S SUPPER.

2. HE doesn't celebrate his birthday, the church doesn't celebrate it, it's people who understand his worth come around, do designs, celebrating, his teachings and legacy.

Birthday celebration came from Satan!

ichuka:
That's why I said you need the Holy Spirit directives to understand the bible not some elders or pastors.
Romans6:3....
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Do you even understand these simple verse?

What is the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of this your spirit?
Because you are fond of mentioning it anytime you want to lie! /

Nobody get time for anyone who doesn't believe in any church or pastor!

Ken4Christ:
Our Lord Jesus knew the Jews were already practicing tithing meticulously and he encouraged them to continue. He only focused on what they weren’t doing - judgment, mercy and faith. Hence, he said:

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for YE PAY TITHE OF MINT AND ANISE AND CUMMINS, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, and not to leave the other undone

He acknowledged that they pay tithes and he didn't ask them to stop. He even said that they ought to pay it but not neglect other more important things.

The mercy here stands for helping the poor. And he asked them to sell their possessions to help the poor. This commitment is far more than tithing. It's like giving 100% of what you have.

So, how did Jesus not teach about tithing? His teachings on giving places far greater demand on us.

Jews paid tithe because they were not in Christ their religion is Judaism but when Christianity began Paul told the Jews to stop tithing because it was established in the religion of Jews not Christianity! Hebrews 7:5-12

ichuka:
Dude
Anyone that believes in Jesus Christ has been baptized period.
The ceremonial thing is an affirmation of what and who we are in Christ Jesus.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni Jesus COMMANDED us to baptize and be baptized!

Janosky:
The man wey say birthday nah idolatry.....
https://www.nairaland.com/2822141/stop-celebrating-christmas-it-idolatry

I believe he's not against birthdays what he's against is the contradictions about the date Jesus was born because if he is against celebrating birthday ọmọ that one don go far o!

Janosky:
Nah him format. "Lovers of the Benjamins rather than lovers of the God".

He is the most pitiable of them all but he so much believe in his Hellfire doctrine that he thought it's enough to judge all matters!

Janosky:

Abeg no laugh the guy he just want serve Jesus and money together!

TruthinAction:
Going around the world opposing every truth of God's word. You punishment is waiting for you all.

Abeg mention the name of that your church having this truth?

Is he also one of the miracle preachers?
If he is why can't he command cancer to disappear?

Hell connotes a state of inactivity God is not happy seeing humans in such a state because a return to oblivion is what God purposed for Satan and rebellious angels not imperfect humans.

In hell there is no activity because the dead remains inactive! Ecclesiastes 9:4-6

Ken4Christ:
How? Give proofs

Jesus did not preach tithe neither did his disciples practice tithing among them so whoever preaches tithing is monetizing faith such a person cannot be honest! Matthew 6:24 compare to 1Timothy 6:10

Just stop monetizing faith in the name of Christ and see how only Jehovah's Witnesses remain as Christians!

TruthinAction:
JW members deny truths if it doesn't agree with their theology. What a wicked organisation.

Truth produces GOOD FRUIT while lies produces BAD FRUIT. Matthew 7:16-18
Can you proudly mention the name of your church?
NO!
Because you don't have a Bible believing church where members are truly devoted to doing God's will according to the teachings of Christ Jesus.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have gone to all nations, redeem sinners and turned them to zealous preacher and teachers who are industrious for God's word to form a global connection of peace loving worshipers just as God purposed! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

What has your false religion produced? James 2:18-26

ichuka:
So the criminal on the cross was also baptized before entering paradise abi?

He had no opportunity to do so that's why Jesus promised him otherwise he doesn't need to be given such assurance if he joined Jesus' disciples and got baptized you can see what the Ethiopian eunuch did after his conviction he quickly asked Philip to baptize him as one of Jesus' disciples. Act 8:36-38

If Philip didn't preach baptism to him as part of the requirements of faith in Christ would he have asked to be baptized?
Peter also mentioned baptism to Jews who had him at Pentecost! Read Act 2:38

TruthinAction:
You are reasoning carnally just the way Nicodemus did. The water our Lord Jesus was referring to is not physical water. It's God’s Word. Peter affirmed this when he wrote:
1 Peter 1:23
23 BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Digest this first into your stubborn heart.

That's not what Peter meant stop lying!

ichuka:
So you don't believe and understand Ur bible teaching again

Baptism is the first step into faith in Christ Jesus so if you don't believe in baptism you are not a believer in Christ!

ichuka:
All these ceremonial baptism has no effect to our faith in Christ jesus.its just an affirmation of what we already believe in Him.
Roms6:3...3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become [b]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [c]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6knowing this, that our old [d]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [e]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7for the one who has died is [f]freed from sin.

8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [g]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10For [h]the death that He died, He died to sin once for all time; but [i]the life that He lives, He lives to [j]God. 11So you too, consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Physical baptism has nothing to do with our faith

Go and worship with those who don't believe in physical baptism i believe John and Jesus knew what they did!

QuinQ:
Please show where I said that. Even if I were a liar, I won't be lying with things of Christ. Unless of course you consider the original church Catholic, and St. Peter the first "pope", then we're all Catholics!😃 See below

Highlighted is enough!

QuinQ:
😅Funny guy, I just said it's ONE 18-year-old that had the COURAGE to question the teachings of his organization. Courage you'll never have because you'll never be able to question teachings of JW -even when you know they're obviously false.
So please give credit where credit is due. ALL the main tenets of JW that you cling to today were formulated by him including 19141!

How many times do I have to tell you I'm NOT a Catholic?! But I honestly would be a catholic quicker than I'd be a JW because I don't need anybody trying to culticize or brainwash me. I wish you the very best in it as It has it's good aspects like other cults. But for me, freedom of thought and expression trumps everything else

Guy stop lying you said i should join your church: CATHOLIC!

ichuka:
Dude
What's the fruit or result of Ur discipleship for decades?
What's the impart of Ur discipleship and preaching to Ur locality, state and country?

With my discipleship and the effort put in together in my church hundreds of thousands in Nigeria have been baptized as true disciples of the Prince of Peace {Act 1:8} this means they will never ever raise weapons against their neighbors or fellow believers again just as God's word foretold regarding our time! Isaiah 2:2-4

Now what is the fruit of your church?

Ken4Christ:
May God deliver us from wolves in sheep’s clothing.

You are one of them!

yawadeyonline:
See video yourself is actually trending

Jesus already condemned any religious leader who goes about with religious titles! Matthew 23:8-10

WHY?

Because they are using the titles as cover for their evil deeds while they keep on extorting money from gullible people to enrich themselves.

So what do you think such a person will do in a world that's filled with robbers and kidnappers who are looking for someone to use as their ATM machine? Matthew 6:19-21

QuinQ:
😂 At least you gave me a good laugh! The way you wrote it too - very funny!🤣
Please whatever you do, always credit someone for his work. Charles Russell was the one who had the courage to QUESTION teachings in his Presbyterian church when he was only 18. You were asked a simple question: who do you think came up with all the tenets of JW including 1914? Of course they had to be modified over time because they were originally from a semi-illieterate teenager!

Now you know the truth that it's not one human that founded the world's number one peaceful religion that has gathered people throughout the globe! Isaiah 2:2-4
This is not your Catholic Church where you people hate your fellow worshipers in other countries to the point of killing and bombing your fellow believers.

Go to Russia and Ukraine you will see how Catholics are killing Catholics at the order of just two men yet if you ask them:
"Who Is your God?"
They will say:
"Jesus is LORD" Matthew 7:21-23
Whereas Jesus commanded his own true disciples to have love among themselves just as he loved them! John 13:34-35

Of course you people worship Satan but you don't know {John 4:22} that's why you always claim you're worshiping Jesus yet only honor Jesus with your lips while your hearts are far away from him! Matthew 15:8-9

This thread has vindicated me on what i always tell all religionists on this forum:

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought regarding faith in God all others have contradicting doctrines.

What is the secret?

Jesus Christ said:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!  Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings" Matthew 24:45-47

Of course Jesus appointed the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses over all obedient mankind that's why you can't find obedient people in any other religion except Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

Worshipers of the true God must accept judgement God's representatives render on certain issues that can cause dispute among God's people that alone is proof that they are believers in God as they patiently wait for God's judgement when He will set all matters straight meanwhile they maintain the peace and orderliness among God's people.

Jesus likened obedient individuals to eagles and the God's representatives to a Body which these wise once will feed on:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together" Luke 17:37

Today you can't find any single religion that's uniting people of all races and making them like one family where they have put all disparities behind them and associating as brothers and sisters except Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Back in Islam i used to think using the same language to worship is the secret because that's what God promised through one of His prophets {Zephaniah 3:9} but i later discovered that Islam is just another false religion that's blinding people.

How?

Politics and racism can only affect false religions not the true religion when God promised that His true worshipers will speak the same language what that means is they will have understanding among themselves so Satan won't have any chance of making them kill one another! Revelations 6:3-4

QuinQ:
😅Poor guy doesn't even know who first adopted Adventist teachings, misinterpreted the Bible, and came up with your beliefs of today: end times , no-hell, non-divinity of Christ, etc. Who do you think came up with 1914 and Armageddon? Tell us where in the Bible Christ said there was no hell
*Verse you cited has nothing to do with shunnimg.

Jesus returned that year 1914 as a spirit King and began searching for the group that's practicing Christianity the way he established it in the first century but he couldn't find just one {Luke 18:8} that's why he chose the only group called International Bible Students Association who were ready to make adjustments in their beliefs.
So Jesus started restructuring this group until his father adopted the group as His only true worshipers on planet earth then God gave this group a new name in the year 1931:

Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 65:15

So my Catholic friend no human founded Jehovah's Witnesses organization that's why the doctrine did not stop on what any of the human presidents of the group believed in their lifetime improvements continue because Jesus who is the real founder kept directing them to new lights! Proverbs 4:18

Do you know that there was a time when this group used to celebrate Christmas?
Well that's just to tell you that the real founder is not human but a mighty spirit King!

TruthinAction:
I wanted you to give me your version first. But since you are ignorant, let me guide you.

Born again simply means the rebirth of the human spirit. So, it's a spiritual birth. When you get born again, you receive a new spirit or a new heart.

Go and convince your fellow churchgoers on this first let all of you agree then come back to me.

The phrase "BORN AGAIN" first occurred when Jesus was talking to a Jewish ruler named "Nicodemus" this man was one of the Jewish religious political group known as "Pharisees" this party and another called "Sadducees" has been rival political groups for centuries until a Roman governor approved only these two as the groups that will continue to produce the Highpriest inside the temple in Jerusalem. Nicodemus and his group were politicians anticipating a time when the promised Christ will come to settle all the troubles affecting their nation.
To their surprise the only man who have come with great miraculous works is in their midst but doesn't want to associate with either the Pharisees or Sadducees so Nicodemus's presence there has two purposes:

[1] To find out why Jesus refused to acknowledge his group despite all their self righteousness.
[2] How can he truly become one of the corulers with the Christ since that's the aim of the Pharisees.

That's why Jesus didn't waste any time before telling him that he must put on a new personality completely before he can become a coruler with the Christ.

So BORN AGAIN means being baptized of water and spirit {John 3:3-5} just as Jesus became the first BORN AGAIN son of God after his baptism {Matthew 3:16-17} that was the day a prophecy about him was fulfilled that God acknowledged Jesus as His Son publicly, the same will happen to other Christians belonging to that set. Act 2:1-3

Of course being BORN AGAIN is not a criteria to become a beneficiary of God's Kingdom rather whoever wants to rule with Christ must be born again and it's not by man's choice or will only God selects those who will become corulers with Christ even Jesus has no say on that! Matthew 20:20-23

ichuka:
I don't do church things, told you before.
Seems Ur JW and most of these so called churches are the same.
Acting like an intermediary system among christains.liken to the old testament.
God will be at the right side, the people of God at the left side, then the pastor, bishop,go, elders will be at the middle acting as an intermediary between God and His people.
John4:21Jesus *said to her, “Believe Me, woman, that [f]a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews. 23But [g]a time is coming, and [h]even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be [i]His worshipers. 24God is [j]spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

You don't even know the meaning of "WORSHIP" yet you want to argue about God's word.

Dude, if you don't associate with people in worship then Jesus has no business with you, that's why he said:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

This two or three is not about you and your nuclear family o it means two to three sets of families at least preparing for the work Jesus assigned to his disciples which is preaching and teaching in your neighborhood {Matthew 10:11-13} that's the only thing that can attract Jesus as a spirit chair person to join the gathering but when only you and your family are praying that is not the type of gathering Jesus is talking about that's praying only for the needs of your nuclear family it has no business with the assignment Jesus gave to his disciples!

So i ask you again:

As Christians how many disciples have you and your church baptized for the work Jesus assigned to his disciples? Matthew 28:19

Change4dbeta:
Are you for real?
Even Israel is fighting it's war.
You yourself will do same

Do you think ISRAEL is for CHRISTIANS?

Well don't be deceived God rejected that nation the moment they rejected Jesus and his teachings of PEACE!

QuinQ:
Again, why did founder of JW leave the "cult". Can't you see you'll always lose arguing from that angle?
Also you keep indiscriminately throwing out verses from the bible knowing no one has time to look them up. Tell us how Mathew 10:24&25 relates to the JW shunning we'er discussing

You go cRy tire!

The founder of JWs is the same person who said:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

So when you call us CULT we are happy because Jesus said that's what you people will call us for SHUNNING evil! Matthew 5:11-12

ichuka:
So lying Spirits wrote the bible? Are you for real? That's blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.presume you know the consequences? Lying against the author of the bible.

Guy, humans wrote the Bible not a spirit God inspired these writers with His spirit {2Timothy 3:16} and guides those taking the lead in God's organization to all truth in the book {John 14:26} making it possible for peace to reign among us {John 14:27} but there are lying spirits misleading you guys with different meaning that's why you people keep contradicting yourselves.
Can you mention the name of your church?
NO! Because there is no single church out there having one spirit like Jehovah's Witnesses! John 17:22
In God's organization we have just one spirit it's not guiding each member to interpret rather it's guiding only those taking the lead {Hebrews 13:7,17} so that we can all have the same line of thought! 1Corinthans 1:10

Ọmọ all these things pass your level you can only mimick what your pastors read in the Bible you can't correlate it skillfully like a real disciple of Christ! 2Timothy 2:15

geoworldedu:
My brethren this is a great testimony!!!
I decided to enter the Muslim thread to wish them a happy Eid, I clicked and waited for the swearing in ceremony with my finger suspended in the air to drop down readily to declare our Islamic I am. To my greatest shock, I landed directly inside the thread. Omooh! Is this real or I have previously islamised myself within the last 3 days? How na? I have not been actively posting on NL these days na, not to talk of entering the religion thread. I checked my profile to see if I was already a Muslim without knowing it. To my wonderment, nothing of such!!
How my brethren, how!!!
This is a great testimony o

What exactly do you want to say on the Muslim section?