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AgentNairaland:
Are you scared to disclose your belief and identity?
Okay, I am a Christian and you?

Ọmọ respect is reciprocal if you have forgotten this is the question i asked you:

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you always like to question me when i'm not the only person commenting on this forum?🙂

So politely answer that before engaging me or you close the chapter!🙂

kayjordan:
You are quite correct. Politics is my religion.

One must believe in something at least.

I'd rather believe in Politics that everybody can relate to than believe in an extremist true religion that people can hardly relate to.

Of course politics is easy to relate with than true religion because politics has nothing to do with true faith you just have to put your trust in a fellow human believing he or she will make life better for you {Psalms 146:3-4} but we put our trust in the king who has successfully gathered his subjects from all tribes across the globe and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Act 1:8} and as one family of faith we don't need to see a physical being after seeing his fine works! Hebrews 11:1

I really appreciate your time so far, thank you for a wonderful discussion!

AgentNairaland:
Answer my question,
What are you calling yourselves when you gathered inside hall, Christians or what?

Dey play!
Who cares what you think?
If you won't answer the question please keep whatever you think to yourself!😂

Strafudeenwife:
I don't believe in interfaith...ecumenism...all of that.
now get to the point, answer my concerns.

I asked you from the onset if you want to know the truth because it's going to make you uncomfortable.


There is only one church of Christ and today God has given them a new group name to distinguish them from all false religions claiming Christians.

See what sincere observers are saying about the one and only true church of Christ even though they don't know that is what they are saying in essence:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Now is your turn to present what you want or how you feel the true church should be but please don't bring what was never obtainable even in Bible times o!🙂

kayjordan:
The funny part is, even with the influence your true religion has on you, you still deem it necessary to spite your challengers on this platform.

Is this what the true religion preaches?

That is not a way to spite rather telling you the bitter truth so if you keep on resisting faith in God i'm telling you that politics is your BELIEF so don't think you are free from BELIEFS because POLITICS is your RELIGION!🙂

Ahayalift:
With how Christian Religion of today has been completely remodified by Rome from what it was when JESUS AHAYAHsha was on Earth, do you think Rome actually finally succeeded? Let's have your thoughts on this.

Jesus said God has condemned Israel {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} so Christianity has taken over the glory of being called God's people therefore anyone no matter where you come from once you accept Christianity you are a closer to God's heart than Israelites! John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 11:11

kayjordan:
What about business, entertainment, sports etc...?

Jehovah's Witnesses engage in businesses, entertainment and sports but we don't allow racism or nationality to enter so instead of competitive spirit we see it all as avenues to get to knowing our brothers and sisters better.
None of them could lead to hatred, fighting and killing once we get rid of politics and racism we are all winners?🙂

kayjordan:
People's personalities are the major causes of world problems.

Politics has been the problem from the beginning till today and people having interest in it will continue hating, fighting and killing one another!🙂

AgentNairaland:
Maybe you don't get my question right!
What are you calling yourselves when you gathered inside hall, Christians or what?

You said:

AgentnairaIand:
I think I've come across you once or twice, let me ask you this. What are you calling yourselves when you gathered inside hall, Christians or what?

So i will like to ask you a question too.

Why do you always like to question me when i'm not the only person commenting on this forum?🙂

The word GRACE could be rendered as UNDESERVED KINDNESS. Of course the interpretation given to it by the churches of Christendom and their actions agrees with your conclusion but that is not what GRACE means.

We humans are imperfect so we can't do without SIN the real meaning of that word is ERROR and that is how we were born (not created) Psalms 51:5

So to redeem us from that deplorable condition we need the UNDESERVED KINDNESS (GRACE) of God as He won't deal with us based on our errors {Psalms 103:12-14} this means God will continue to put up with our shortcomings as long as we remain under His umbrella. Psalms 91:1

But if such a person should abandon faith in Christ the GRACE is removed instantly! Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-27

WHY?
First of all let's talk about why God will continue to put up with the errors of the sinner. The sinner doesn't have the perfect brain to remember everything that has to do with right and wrong, he may find himself in dreadful situations that will make him fall {Proverbs 24:6} but when he falls God will send His holy spirit use a believer who will walk up to him and counsel him over the matter {Matthew 18:15 compare to 1Samuel 15:13-14} yet if he stubbornly argue {Matthew 18:16 compare to 1Samuel 18:15} God will then use more believers to correct him {Matthew 18:17} if he still disagree with all those sent to correct him then he is not sinning against humanity anymore but against the spirit of God that is using those people to call him to order surely such a sin will never ever be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

So the GRACE or UNDESERVED KINDNESS of God has time limit!🙂

kayjordan:
Why is this idea of destroying the devil taking so long?

I will respond whether you believe or not for the benefit of interested ones following the thread.

The destruction of Satan can't be fully justified until the case he raised is settled. Today 99.9999% of world's population still believe in POLITICS as they continue voting in and out different individuals that appeals to them whereas God wants people everywhere to see that there will never be any human government that could solve mankind's problems you people will continue to think of new system of government which will continue to fail.

But once God has gotten obedient humans in all the nations of the earth who are faithfully obeying His rules the destruction of rebellious creatures both Satan and humans will come! Matthew 24:14🙂

kayjordan:
That's what I've been justifying all along - my unbelief.
belief, God, ideas and theories are man-made thoughts, humans created and reinterpreted over many years.

Good so it's OK that you choose never to believe while my brothers and sisters throughout the earth believe.

Everything has benefits so continue enjoying the benefits of your unbelief while we continue to enjoy the benefits of our beliefs!🙂

Strafudeenwife:
there is only one idea of Church that Jesus espoused. that's what I call true Church as opposed to the multitude of concepts about church that exist today

Different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines today are not Christians. True Christianity doesn't welcome interfaith we must all believe the same thing if we are followers of the same Christ! John 17:22; Romans 16:17; 1Corinthans 1:10

Strafudeenwife:
If you believe a physical group is the Church , then let's look at how groups function.

The church means a group of believers not a group of perfect humans so what matters is how they should operate as stated by Jesus the head of the church.

The function of the church is to gather all obedient humans throughout the earth and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Act 1:8

So they must be united in thought and their judgement must be the same everywhere they are. John 17:22

That is what will make the bond among them strong and unbreakable. John 13:34-35

But that doesn't mean you will not find flaws because they are still imperfect humans! Matthew 26:41🙂

Strafudeenwife:
ok
so by this you are saying that when people observed social gatherings centred around the the Jesus sect from Nazareth their describing them with names correctly identifies them as the true Church? so when they identified Ananias and saphira as members and followers of the way, or the Pharisees who believed but Insisted on circumcising Christians, or even the errant groups in Asia minor who were identical churches but were rebuked by Jesus for being false...
when outsiders say... these are Christians etc does that make such errant people and groups the true Church??

There has never been a time when the worshipers of the true God became perfect so there will always be one thing or another to warn them about for a correction to be made but then it's only his church that Jesus sent messages to not all religions.
Meanwhile you didn't address the main point:

Below is what will help you to IDENTIFY the true church and not the minor flaws of imperfect humans.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The name is just to direct you to where you should focus if you want to know how true religion should be just like the ancient nation of Israel God established that nation and called them His people because that is the only nation worshiping the one and only true God but that doesn't mean all Israelites are faithfully doing what God commanded.
The same applies to Jesus' disciples.
When Jesus walked the planet in the first century only those following him has the light among them while all other religions no matter where they are remains in spiritual darkness but that doesn't mean all followers of Jesus are faithfully doing what he taught.

So the same applies today if you want to know how true religion should be organized and practiced only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth but that doesn't mean all members are faithfully doing what is required.

These are the signs to identify the one and only true religion:

They will gather people from all nations and make them disciples of the Prince of Peace. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

They will no longer get involved in the political struggles of this world {John 17:14-16} because they believe in God's government or God's Kingdom which they are zealously preaching! Matthew 10:7

Since they don't participate in politics there is no way Satan can instigate them against anyone be it neighbor or fellow believers so when it comes to WARS {Revelation 6:3-4} something that is caused by racism and favoritism they will turn away! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

They will view all their fellow believers as members of the same spiritual family {Mark 10:28-30} and the whole world will admit that there is love among them. John 13:34-35

And due to their unwavering faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ most people who can't fully adhere to Jesus' teachings or those who finds it difficult to understand Jesus' teachings will hate them. Matthew 24:9

They will only form marriage alliance with their fellow believers. 1Corinthans 7:39 compare to Deuteronomy 7:3-4

They will be the most peaceful group on planet earth. Matthew 10:16

All these things i found among Jehovah's Witnesses that is why i left my former religion (Islam) for the true religion!

lawani:
Don't consume all your income. Invest a substantial part in something that yields income like a small business, equity, fixed deposit, rental property and etc and you will without a doubt have material success overtime. Everybody without exception can have material success but it can only be enforced by law in a communist nation.

So who sets the law that brought people into this condition where they have to start striving for?

Strafudeenwife:
I'm not!
I don't believe in denominations.
I don't believe any physical organisation is the Church.

The church of Christ is surely a physical organization that is why observers who noticed the movement could give them group names like:

*Sect of the Nazarene. Act 24:5

*The Way. Act 22:4

* Christians. Act 11:26

capnies:
BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM!
JWs ARE FAR FROM CHRIST
HATERS.
TWO COMMANDMENTS FROM OGA JESU
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOURSELF. Here JWS STORE ZERO.

How did Jesus teach his disciples to love their neighbors?🤔

If we know how Jesus taught his friends to love their neighbors then we will look at the way Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing their love to know if they are following Jesus or not!

Strafudeenwife:
so let me understand this.
the identifying parameter for the true Church is a name they bear... Jehovah's witnesses; and so all bearing that NAME constitute the true Church. is that your position?

NO!
The name is just to direct you to where you should focus if you want to know how true religion should be just like the ancient nation of Israel God established that nation and called them His people because that is the only nation worshiping the one and only true God but that doesn't mean all Israelites are faithfully doing what God commanded.
The same applies to Jesus' disciples.
When Jesus walked the planet in the first century only those following him has the light among them while all other religions no matter where they are remains in spiritual darkness but that doesn't mean all followers of Jesus are faithfully doing what he taught.

So the same applies today if you want to know how true religion should be organized and practiced only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth but that doesn't mean all members are faithfully doing what is required.

These are the signs to identify the one and only true religion:

They will gather people from all nations and make them disciples of the Prince of Peace. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

They will no longer get involved in the political struggles of this world {John 17:14-16} because they believe in God's government or God's Kingdom which they are zealously preaching! Matthew 10:7

Since they don't participate in politics there is no way Satan can instigate them against anyone be it neighbor or fellow believers so when it comes to WARS {Revelation 6:3-4} something that is caused by racism and favoritism they will turn away! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

They will view all their fellow believers as members of the same spiritual family {Mark 10:28-30} and the whole world will admit that there is love among them. John 13:34-35

And due to their unwavering faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ most people who can't fully adhere to Jesus' teachings or those who finds it difficult to understand Jesus' teachings will hate them. Matthew 24:9

They will only form marriage alliance with their fellow believers. 1Corinthans 7:39 compare to Deuteronomy 7:3-4

They will be the most peaceful group on planet earth. Matthew 10:16

All these things i found among Jehovah's Witnesses that is why i left my former religion (Islam) for the true religion!

kayjordan:
Out of curiosity, how old is Satan now?

Satan is not his name that was the title given to him after he resisted his maker so if we are to talk about when he was created we will say he is as old as other angels except Michael (Jesus) who has been with his father longer than other angels. But if we are to talk about when he became Satan then that will be approximately 10,000 years or less.

kayjordan:
Imagination can't unravel further Imagination, because yours is yet to be unraveled.

I have shown you the reason why God established the true religion and how things have worked out so far i don't think there is anything left unless you just want to justify your unbelief!

kayjordan:
In my entire exchange, I've been on the offensive attacking all spiritual faith including yours.

So attack all and let each religion put up a defense for their faith not you doing it for them!🥱[/quote]

kayjordan:
If any believer doesn't practise what the true religion preaches and is rejected by the true religion - the world will accept him. This creates a pointer: If Jehovah's Witnesses' eternal place is earth, strong possibilities exist that the true God, may have rejected them and confined them to the earth till eternity.

You haven't been following at all!😟

Earth is where God created for humans so it's our permanent abode! Psalms 37:29; 115:16

What God promised us is that all those making the planet uninhabitable will be destroyed. Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

So open your mind's eyes and see.
God never created heaven for humans so i'm not interested in going there!🥱

kayjordan:
Also, bear in mind that God threw Lucifer out of Heaven down the path of earth and Hell in eternal condemnation. Now the same Lucifer (Satan), has two eternal home addresses; Hell and Earth. How do you react?

It's Jesus who drove Satan out of heaven when he started ruling he is the same person called Michael. Revelation 12:7-12
Satan will be completely destroyed that is when God will declare everlasting blessings on all inhabitants of planet earth. Revelation 21:3-4
So Satan won't be here forever in fact he knew he has short time remaining before his complete destruction!

On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time. Revelation 12:12

Satan is desperately seeking ways to make people hate people and destroy themselves through politics because he knew God is sending Jesus to kill him and all those following him!

kayjordan:
That conviction is up to the said Religion to defend.

That is why i said
"stop defending false religions"

I'm showing you how to unravel the lies false religions are using to blindfold people instead of you to call them out to come and defend their religion you are here making excuses for them!🥱

Strafudeenwife:
totally ready 😊

The true church has a mission which is to gather and unite obedient humans from all the nations of the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4} if you carefully read verse 4 that i cited you will see that these people from different countries throughout the world will become like one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers.

How is that going to be possible?

Well that is the work of the wonderful counselor to be born among the Jews! Isaiah 9:6

So when Jesus sent his disciples out to preach and teach people throughout the earth {Matthew 28:18-20} the aim is to make love reign among themselves {John 13:34-35} as you are having hundreds of families anywhere you go {Mark 10:28-30} because you all share the same line of thought! John 17:22

So after Jesus' ascension to heaven the people seeing his disciples started calling the group by different names:

Nazarenes~ because Jesus is from a city called Nazareth.

The Way~ because Jesus claimed to be the only way to God's presence.

Christians~ because they are disciples of a young Jewish man whose followers are calling him Christ.

No matter what they say Jesus' friends were willing to be ridiculed for the love they had for their Master Lord and future King. Matthew 10:33

But is that the name God intended to call His worshipers?

The answer is NO!

WHY?

Because either The Way, Nazarenes or Christians is limited to followers of Jesus alone whereas there has been lots and lots of faithful servants of God before Jesus walked the earth. So what does God have in mind to call His worshipers?

Well God hid that for thousands of years allowing Satan's agents to misuse any group name fabricated by people who want to mock His worshipers so different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines started claiming Christians until when God began separating sheep-like people from among goat-like ones.

This separation work took more than seventy years till the year 1931 when God declared the group name He wanted to call all His faithful worshipers from the time of Abel till today {Hebrews 11:4-34; 12:1} though God said He will destroy all false religions and their adherents but His own faithful servants He will call by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That is why only this group perfectly fits in to all the descriptions Jesus gave regarding his future disciples and just as he foretold throughout the world all the people will hate them and whoever has to do with them! Luke 21:17🙂

AgentNairaland:
I think I've come across you once or twice, let me ask you this. What are you calling yourselves when you gathered inside hall, Christians or what?

We are fine with whatever you call us Sir! Matthew 10:24-25🙂

grandstar:
I thank you for bringing this up.
This is why Jehovahs Witnesses dont celebrate death. It is a time to mourn.
Even Jesus Christ wept, gave way to tears, when he learnt of Lazarus death, despite knowing he would resurrect him. Thanksgivings are never free. It is a time for the Church to milk the bereaved, if one calls them that. When my dad died, his childhood church used for the service of songs milked us.
On the other hand, my congregation gave me 16k to assist me which I gave to the family.
Please read this article to learn more about honouring the dead: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101999084?q=Mourning+the+dead&p=doc

Of course we do give thanks for a life well spent for instance when a servant of Jehovah served God faithfully we are happy that he concluded his earthly journey well and our hope for his resurrection is strengthened but we are not like the churches of Christendom who's pastors seized such opportunities to milk the bereaved rather that's the time to gather around him, encourage and support him with whatever we have as his or her spiritual family. John 13:34-35

lawani:
Your point? Can religion exist without brainwashing people with fear? No

True religion doesn't threaten anyone it's false religions that depend on lies to threaten or deceive people just like those saying they know the secret of material success when nobody knows!🙂

GOD is the supreme being so whoever believes in God will surrender to God's judgement but if anyone refuses to do this it simply means he doesn't truly believe in God therefore the true religion that he practices shouldn't permit him to play any key role since he is not a believer.

That is the difference between true and false religion because in false religions such individuals are allowed to continue serving as bonafide members but in true religion such ones will be sanctioned showing he is spiritually sick hence all members are warned never to follow his footstep! Matthew 18:15-17, Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11🙂

Jesus taught his disciples to take peace as a message to all people {Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Matthew 28:19-20} he warned that whoever drives them away will find it extremely difficult in the day of judgement! Matthew 10:14-15

But why?🤔

Well God has forewarned that when His message is taken to different places many will be pleased to welcome it and stay with His loyal servants discussing what is important and His angels will start penning down the names of those spending their time discussing the message God's servants brought to them. Malachi 3:16

Please what do you think will happen to anyone who refused to spend time with these messengers?

If Malachi said names of those bringing the message and those listening to them are written what happens to those rejecting the message? Revelation 20:15

lawani:
Remember how religion evolved to become a monster

Were the founders of Christianity violent? No but they believed they were the sole custodians of absolute truth and that God will burn you in hell if you don't take that truth from them.

Can you quote where any disciple that lived with Jesus talked about burning people in a fairy hell?

kayjordan:
Both Religions or faith offer no evidence other than hope.

What hope?🙂

A religion that says God exists keeps on hating, fighting and killing themselves over issues they claim their God will settle/judge in the day of judgement.

So how do you convince any normal human that such people have hope?🥱

truthera:
Stop dancing around the issue, provide a Bible verse to butress your point

Isaiah 40:22 has answered you o!🥱

Humble and cure yourself of the infection of politics i've noticed how overwhelmed you are in politics, it will make you hate everyone around you. That's what the Bible teaches.

So be warned!🙂