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Steep:
This link actually says that the Angel of the Lord is not an angel but God himself.

Thanks!

That's what the Christendom churches concluded regarding the angel of the LORD.

So do you agree with them that God is an angel or you have a better interpretation for the angel of the LORD?

Gabrielshow24:
Is it by the teachings of a church that you arrive at the truth ? 🤔

Church is what the religion claiming they follow Jesus call themselves and Jesus talked about TEACHING {Matthew 28:20} so by the teaching of the true religion interested persons will arrive at the truth! Act 2:42

Gabrielshow24:
Are there not methods of determining the truth?

The only method is how a religion unite their members from all races throughout the earth to make one big family of peace loving worshipers! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to John 13:34-35

Gabrielshow24:
The so called doctrines you claim and hold onto what methods were used to derive them🤔?

Men from different schools of thought gathered together {Matthew 18:20} to make a research on where the churches of Christendom went wrong because there is no love among people claiming Christians whereas Jesus the founder of Christianity said his disciples will be recognized by the love they have among themselves! John 13:34-35

Gabrielshow24:
Or was it by "churchiness" that they came to be?

Church is just a religion and teachings is peculiar to religion but if any religion can't unite their members globally to be a peace loving organization just as it befits the followers of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} whatever they teach is useless! 2Timothy 3:5

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣
This is what they turn to, when ousted for their lies. The truth is bigger than any religion or family!!!

So there's no need for believers to meet together since they can't have a true religion, shey? Hebrews 10:24-25

Or all religions are good since each individual can find out the truth on their own without teaching from any religious gathering? Hebrews 13:7

Love800:
You just said the exact truth.
I appreciate you.
Actually, i didn't met anybody who told me the truth sha. But i just gave it a deep thought and discover the truth.

So have you found a better church or you've concluded there is none?

Love800:
Then those adults have slow brain. They can't think!

Far from it!

There are two reasons why people are into the religion they practice as adults:

(1) They've not met someone who will tell them the truth.


(2) They hate the truth so they remain in the religion even though they can see a better one.

sonmvayina:
That God will stand by and watch his creature reun his creation...Satan is God's creation. He does only what God tells him to do, nothing more...

So there's no reason arguing over what people say or do regarding worship after all they are his creation so they are doing what God tells them!

Gabrielshow24:
Typical max, this is indeed your last resort 😅😅.

Gabrielshow24:
your church makes a lot of leaps and false equivocations

So it's appropriate to ask for the name of your church!

Any discussion on Nairaland always leads to arguments, insults, abusive speeches and sometimes curses since no church is mentioned each commentator claims he or she is led by the spirit of God.

But when the time comes to mention the name of their churches they will shy away because they know that there is no unique teaching binding them together with their church members so two or three members of the same church may be arguing, insulting, abusing and even cursing themselves on Nairaland claiming they are all led by the holy Spirit!

Jokerman:
Why not try another church?

What if he's a member of your church?

Gabrielshow24:
Typical max, this is indeed your last resort 😅😅.

Because you don't have any unique teaching that's known as the teachings of a specific church yet you want to claim you know better than a global family of peace loving worshipers who have successfully achieved what God promised!

Gabrielshow24:
First engaged in?

That's rather vague🤔

Enlighten me what you mean by this.
I infer they, chief princes, must be in thousands, possibly more and you know how that negates first born🤔.

Or have you by mistake turned first born to first set🐪?

Another implication which warrants a question is this if they were the first to engage, what about the rest? Were they created later? Or they were all created at the same time but the chief princes yielded themselves quickly to God?🤨

Indirectly your premise implies that the creation of the hosts of heaven was in batches or sets.

So in this case allow me to change your first set to first generational.
Hence the first generational angels were made first and as a result engaged with him first!
Hence others came after🤔

Pretty interesting story😃, I must tell you.

To understand God look at Jesus and his mode of operation! Colossians 2:9

Jesus began preaching and teaching also he calls people to join him but after they have increased in number Jesus selected twelve out of his numerous disciples {Luke 6:13} these set he called "apostles" they are all like his children {John 13:33; 21:5} yet there are first set among them who were first engaged in the work he later gave millions earth wide {Act 1:8} so the first set he assigned to rule over the rest! Matthew 19:28

Now do you think all the twelve are of the same age?

Gabrielshow24:
I happy for you 🤤.
But as for me, your church makes a lot of leaps and false equivocations that's why I don't hold you guys credible.

What is the name of your own church? Matthew 5:14-16

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now this analogy is porous.

Enlighten me wise one!
What then does first set mean?

Is it not a variable of time🤔?
Also irrespective of age they all have the same day - graduation day🤨.

When a company or establishment starts operation the term "FIRST SET" is used for those who were engaged first in whatever is been done.
So the foremost princes or first set of angels were the ones God first engaged that's what makes them commanders in heaven over other angels. Revelations 12:7
Satan is one of the first set that's why he demanded more than the position God gave him {Isaiah 14:12-13} but Michael (Jesus) is always loyal to his father {John 8:29} despite being the firstborn of all the creation! Colossians 1:15

So the first set were highly respected in heaven among other angels!

I only picked interest in this topic for the sake of the OP who was touched with the scriptural backing JWs provided for their beliefs {John 17:17} because that is what moved me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses! John 8:32

Gabrielshow24:
First set🤔?
By age then?

Does (first set) in your school days mean all of you were of same age?

Gabrielshow24:
Even if I were to allude to this your shambolic point what is your definition of "foremost"?

First set!

Gabrielshow24:
I don't think you know English at all🤔
What's the meaning of "one of"? 🥲

Jesus/Michael is (one of) the foremost angels in heaven that's why God's word used the same figurative word for him and his brothers:

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7

Angels or sons of God are the morning stars!

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelations 22:16

Jesus/Michael is the bright morning star!

Gabrielshow24:
"Michael, was one of the chief princes"

One of the foremost angels!

Cornelboy
The topic is here o!
@ 2:43 p.m. 17/2/2025

achorladey:

@ 2:59 p.m. 17/2/2025

achorladey:


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I believe his parents must have gotten over the loss!

What is your religion?
What is your brother's religion?

I miss my brother DappaD.

Westerhoffe:
Well crafted lies.

Lies that's working out benefits just as God purposed in His word shey? Matthew 12:31-32

Continue deceiving yourself!

cornelboy:
What you think you know has nothing to do with me. I don't really care. Me and MaxInDHouse know that you own both monikers. You can deny it all you want.
Instead of fooling around, just move the f on.

If you have a meaningful topic to discuss, hit me up.

Ọmọ you dey fall my hand walahi talahi!

The guy is completely empty, all his brains could fathom now is whatever comes out of the mouth of JWs.

Remember that he's no longer attending any school of thought so he keeps mimicking the last things he was able to grab during his days at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses and since he can't find a better place of worship he's stuck in the middle of nowhere! Matthew 12:43-45

He can never think of anything other than whatever JWs raise as topic that is why he's always following us bumper to bumper as if we owe him!

Gabrielshow24:
Very misleading,
As usual, false equivocations here and there!

Do you even know the meaning of that word "MISLEADING"?
You that can't figure out why those you call your brothers in faith can't resolve their disparities peacefully but to raise weapons against their own fellow believers.

https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

How do we know the Angel of the Lord is Jesus?

The term “the Angel of the Lord” first appears in Genesis 16:

“Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. “He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?” Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.” Genesis 16:7-14
Notice a few things here. First, the Angel of the Lord tells Hagar that He will “greatly multiply your descendants.” An ordinary angel cannot do that, for only the Lord God can give life (Deuteronomy 32:39). Also, this statement is very similar to what God told Abraham (Genesis 15:5).

Second, the Angel of the Lord knew Hagar was with child, that the child was a son, and what he would be like. Only God is omniscient to know the future (e.g., Hebrews 4:3), though ordinary angels can be told the future by God.

Third, in v. 11, the angel says “the LORD has given heed to your affliction” when it was the Angel of the Lord who had given heed.

Finally, in v. 13, the text says “the name of the LORD who spoke to her," clearly indicating that Hagar was speaking to God. Furthermore, Hagar calls the Angel "God" and can’t believe she remained alive after seeing Him! Indeed, the word Beer-lahai-roi means, “well of the Living One seeing me.”

Next, we look at Genesis 22:

“1 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
He said, “Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”… Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, and said, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” Genesis 22:11-18
In both of these passages, it’s clear that the Angel of the Lord is also God. In v. 12 He says you have not withheld your son “from Me,” obviously referring to God. In vs. 15 and 16, the Angel of the Lord says of Himself “by Myself…declares the Lord.” Again, it’s clear the Angel of the Lord and God are One and the same.

“Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.” Exodus 3:1-6
The Angel of the Lord in v.2 is clearly equated with God in v.4. In v.6, He makes clear He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Moses understands, for he is afraid to look at God (remember Hagar above).

delkuf:
well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye

So it's not only Jehovah's Witnesses that believes Jesus is the angel of the LORD try to correct yourself it's a global thing agreed upon by Bible scholars of high repute!

delkuf:
maxi I know you. The last I will except is you telling me that the Lord Jesus Christ is an angel... Dont let continue engaging on this because I never except it. So let stop arguing

Arguing with you?

Ọmọ i only present what readers of the Bible from different school of thought concluded about the angel of the LORD so it's you who is arguing with yourself as you chose to be!

Wahala yaaaso!

Aemmyjah:
Pls sir
Let that sleeping dog lie
His head is too hot
Before he starts barking all over NL

I often love tormenting him because he's dumb throughout the forum for the past few years only Jehovah's Witnesses makes him talk.
But because of you i will leave him!

Today all those supporting Putin because he attacked Jehovah's Witnesses are seeing why he did back then!

Evidence God's Holy Spirit is Active!

Great thread!