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delkuf:
guy stop tagging me now. I told you, I don't believe that the my Lord Jesus Christ is an angel. So pls don't tag me in this anymore

tctrills:
Please explain your question

tctrills:
Revelations 20
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

tctrills:
Zechariah 14:16 – "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

tctrills:
Your entire answer here makes no sense. Is Jesus Christ coming to judge the nations or not? When he comes, will he end wars between the nations or not? Isaiah 2.2-4

Is Christ judging the nations today? No
Is there war between nations today? Yes.
Was Isaiah 2.2-4 talking about today? No. It was talking about a future time. QED

tctrills:
So JW publication qouted Isaiah 2:2-4; to teach that. God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.

But you come here to tell us that you have somehow fulfilled Isaiah 2.2-4?
So is Isaiah 2.2-4 taking about this present day or the day when Christ will come?
In the publication, Isaiah 2.2-4 was qouted as a time when there will be no more war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.
So from that, you should know that the days of Isaiah 2. 2-4 are not now.
Read your own publication for crying out loud.

MaxInDHouse:
Where was God before he created heaven? JWs please Help us

TenQ:
The more reason you should answer the question except you are ASHAMED of your God or you are ASHAMED of your Doctrine as JW.


1. Is your God not a SUBSET of the Universe? He is a SUBSET!

2. Can your God be EVERYWHERE and SOMEWHERE at the same time? NO!

Where was God of the Jehovah's witnesses before he created heaven?

You have proven that you cannot answer the question. You needn't bother responding if you can't answer the Initial question!

Again: Don't feign Ignorance to the scripture before you. What does verse 10a say

From your fake translation
Exodus 24:9-11 NWT
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
10 And they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was what seemed like a sapphire pavement, and it was as pure as the heavens themselves.
11 He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God; then they ate and drank


This is Your own fake translation! Always twisting the Bible to fit their doctrine

Can you check from the Hebrew interlinear if what they saw was a vision of God!


See deliberate lies from the JW organisation to fit their doctrine

paxonel:
THE POINT OF THESE WHOLE THING IS THAT, LOVE WHAT GOD HAS CREATED.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EARTH.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE EARTH.
THE PROBLEM IS HUMANS.

Ohyoudidnt:
So tell which bad actions did the alleged impostor angel perform. I am sure you have quite a number to share. The scene is yours now. Give us a show!

MaxInDHouse:
delkuf himself has made things easy for Jehovah's Witnesses!

[1]
Out of all the religionists on this forum he could mention just one group that's visiting people in their homes just as Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 10:11-13} where are all the other religions claiming Christians?

[2]
They didn't just shout in buses or corners of the streets but engaged him in Bible discussions, of course they never preached Michael is Jesus to him he must have initiated the discussion thinking they don't have biblical backing.

[3]
Jehovah's Witnesses presented their belief with efficacy that delkuf have to rush back to Nairaland seeking support from whoever could help him to counter the competency of the Jehovah's Witnesses!

[4]
Despite all the agitation of members of Christendom no church could prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong because from time immemorial Bible scholars are of the opinion that Jesus is the angel of God in the Bible! Exodus 14:19
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

[5]
After everything this is delkuf's conclusion:

delkuf:
well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye

MaxInDHouse:
So he could only say "i disagree"

Baldwretch:
The fact of a matter should be established by more than one witness. He cannot be the only witness to a divergent path that God has prepared for his people. If Muhammad (and us) would tow a radical path that has not been towed before, then this calls for a greater witness. Extraordinary demands calls for extraordinary evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever." ‭Daniel 12:1-3 NIV‬


If you like argue till tomorrow, this is what Daniel saw about Michael who will be raised among the Jews {Isaiah 9:6} he will gather people and teach them {Mark 4:2} he will raise many from the dead so they can have everlasting life, and due to his teachings the wise ones will shine throughout the earth! Matthew 5:14-16


Abeg whose voice will raise the dead?


The voice of the Archangel! 1Thessalonians 4:16 compare to John 5:28-29

Jehovah's Witnesses dey talk faithless people wants to argue!

tctrills:
Is this JW doctrine or not?
That Kingdom, with Christ as King, started gathering here upon the earth God-fearing people who were desirous of being its subjects.—Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 24:14; Revelation 7:9-15.... God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death

tctrills:
This is not a case of what I believe or what you believe. Again you don't understand prophecies. The same Isaiah tells you that Jesus will judge all nations and there will no more be wars but you refused to believe. You can't adopt a few sentences and discard the rest

tctrills:
Very bad question. You mean that after all the wars end, God should no longer punish sinners? Please make it make sense. The bible tells us that the dead will be resurected and judged. You are saying that because wars will end God will no longer punish the wicked? Na wa oh.

tctrills:
Guesswork king. You are just mixing scriptures that don't relate. God will judge all nations that's what we are taught none of the verses you quoted even relate a bit.

tctrills:
And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples.

tctrills:
The point remains that God clearly stated that all nations will end war.

tctrills:
1. You were unable to use the bible to show that these are the last days.
2. Again you go into guesswork. He never said the nations described are his people.

cornelboy:
You're the wisest person on NL

TenQ:
We don't serve the same God Mr Maximus

tctrills:
Oga, the prophecies you spoke of speaks of a time nations will no longer be at war. Is that not what your Bible says?

tctrills:
I don't understand your point here please explain sir. It says in the last days. Are you saying that these are the last days? Now even if these are the last days, it says other things. It speaks about a time nations will no longer be at war definitely not now.

tctrills:
So again you have failed to show how those promises had anything to do with you. The bible speaks of a time when nations will no longer fight other nations and when Jesus Christ with judge the nations. You can't force the bible to refer to you. Faithful christians are waiting for the time spoken if by the prophet. They are not forcing weird interpretations that they can't defend.

tctrills:
The bible did not say that Christians would not fight each other, it says nations would not fight each other. Since nations continue to fight, your interpretation of the prophecies are wrong. On the actor, let's just say I doy depend on actors to u nderstand the word of God and it's a pity if you do.

tctrills:
Russia and Ukraine are still fighting. Nations are still lifting their guns against other nations so it was clearly not speaking of the same thing that you are talking about.

tctrills:
As I said, you can't verify and here is why?
First how can you tell these are the days Isaiah was speaking of?
Secondly, it speaks of a day when Jesus Christ will judge among the nations. As of today, Jesus Christ isn't the Judge of the nations.
Thirdly, he wasn't even speaking about an organization.
So falsely interpretation of the bible isn't the same as fulfilling prophecy .
Fourthly it says, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Russia and Ukraine are still fighting. Nations are still lifting their guns against other nations so it was clearly not speaking of the same thing that you are talking about.

tctrills:
If you have to quote a movie star to sell your religion then it shows how weak such religion is. You don't quote a prophet, you don't qouted Jesus Christ but it's the logic of a movie star that best explains your religion?
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe if I find a bigger movie star to argue my points you will accept since this is all about what Hollywood thinks.

tctrills:
promises that can't be verified.

tctrills:
you can't decide that you fulfilled Gods promises by misinterpreting His Words.