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tctrills:
Stop playing dumb. But if you are not comfortable discussing no p. I don't care about your church. You bring it up not me. If you state your beliefs without mentioning your church, I will not mention it. but if you bring your church into it, I will believe that you want me to talk about it.

If you don't have a church then there is no need asking me stupid questions about faith in God!

According to Malachi 4:5 Elijah will come before the Christ so after seeing Elijah during the transfigoration Peter and his friends asked Jesus "if you are the Christ, how come the scribes say Elijah must come first?"
Jesus said Elijah has come but people failed to recognize him {Matthew 17:12} in another setting Jesus explicitly said John the baptist is the expected Elijah! Matthew 11:14

Where is that written in the Old Testament?

Because it's not written anywhere in the Old Testament most Jews back then disagreed with Jesus.

So if anyone is expecting word for word what people believe in the Bible it's the most stupid question ever what we need is activities backing it because it can't work without the Active Force of God: Holy Spirit!

tctrills:
Why?

Whatever i believe shouldn't be your problem if you don't believe in a church with unique teaching!

tctrills:
Your last day began 3000 years ago. loooool

If you believe in the last days!

tctrills:
Can you quote a bible verse that says Jesus is not Angel Gabriel? That's a foolish question. Can you quote a bible verse that says Jesus Christ is not Trump?
You are the one making the claims and you are the one to defend it. that's how it works.
If I say, Jesus Christ is God and you ask me to quote, I will happily defend my position. I will not ask you to quote a verse that says Jesus Christ is not God.
Honestly, what are you afraid of?

You asking me to show you where the Bible specifically says what i believe is a foolish question!

What everyone does is evidence not word for word that's why you don't have a church because you expect everything to be quoted word for word which is not possible.

tctrills:
The book of Isaiah says these things will happen in the last days so my question is, when did the last days begin?
Let's read the verses together.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Did the JW's last days begin 2000 years ago? Or did the prophecy begin prematurely?

If you don't know the beginning of the last days go and find out in your religion that is if you have one!

tctrills:
What is religion? Apply your dictionary and ask yourself if I have a religion or not.

Mention the name of your church!

tctrills:
Ok, So it's no longer your duty to respond to my questions. Or is it that you are afraid of your answer? It takes me 3 posts to make your answer look stupid.
If your answers can't hold water for 30 mins what does that say about your religion?

Your PERSONAL opinion after all you don't have a religion, do you?

tctrills:
let's read Zechariah 14 to see what has been fulfilled.
from verse 16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

You say this was fulfilled when?

Ọmọ these are prophecies fulfilling one after the other nah!

tctrills:
See this child oh. I remember asking you to stick to the topic when you brought up Isaiah 2.-4. Now you found no escape there and you want to run back to the original topic? Ok, post the bible verse that says Jesus Christ is Angel Michael or do we keep arguing based on your guesswork?

Can you quote a Bible verse that says Jesus is not angel Michael?

tctrills:
Lol, your solution is theology school? have I been quoting from your social studies text book?

You asked a scriptural question which is not my duty to TEACH you so if you don't know when the last days begin go and study your Bible, your conclusion is none of my business!

tctrills:
My question is, When do the last days begin and when will they end? I don't think 3000 years of history is your idea of the last days

Go and study your Bible or attend theology school for that!

tctrills:
Again, is it the JW doctrine that ceremonies are not done in secret?

Ọmọ stick to the topic of discussion.

Jesus is the Archangel Michael!

tctrills:
Oga, you said gave the eunuch and pentecost as examples of Christ ruling from Jerusalem.
Below are your very words
What about the Ethiopian eunuch? 2Kings 19:9 compare to Act 8:27

My guy that has been FULFILLED!

You also say the promise was fulfilled when Jesus walked the earth

And yesterday you said it was the prophecies of the last days.
Your words not mine.

Zechariah 14:19 says something which you quoted that's why i cited scriptures to prove that it has been fulfilled!

tctrills:
People who marry in secret can't call it a ceremony. Should we take this as JW doctrine or your opinion, or is this from your dictionary.

So to JW, a ceremony is an event witnessed by your friends and enemies. Am I quoting you right on this one?
Please tell me sir.

Secret marriage is not a CEREMONY o!

Cry cry baby, when you are ready!

tctrills:
It's not what I think, it's what you wrote.
Ho back and read. It seems you often forget what you write. Are you getting old?

Don't mix words pick one at a time or do whatever you wish!

tctrills:
I snapped so not to misquote. I did not even quote, I sent you your teaching word for word.

Ask Jehovah's Witnesses to tell you what that publication means if you don't understand!

tctrills:
I know ceremonies that had less then 70 people. Do you know how many people witnessed Jesus Christ's own?
Again I know people who married in secret. Was their ceremony null and void?

Only Jesus' disciples witnessed his departure that's why they have to preach to convince others that their friend (Jesus) has risen from the dead and returned to heaven otherwise they don't need to preach about his resurrection nah!

And people who marry in secret can't call it a CEREMONY!

tctrills:
Lol, you claim so many things my guy.
You claim that the prophecies of Isaiah are
1. For the last days
2. When Jesus walked the earth
3. Fulfilled through the pentecost and the eunuch

Whatever you think my guy you're not the only one reading!

tctrills:
I already asked and I snapped and sent you the result.
The JW quote Isaiah 2.2-4 to teach that God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death
Here it is again.

This is how you people often misquote God's people!

Will soon simply means we have fulfilled this prophecy so we are living in the end time!

tctrills:
Now you have shot yourself in the foot.
Are you saying that Isaiah 2.2-4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked the earth? Is that your last days too?
You claim the JW fulfilled the prophecies and at the same time, the prophecies were fulfilled when Christ walked the earth. Loool

Where is JUDGMENT written in Isaiah 2:2-4?

Ọmọ read it again!

tctrills:
Oga, you should read a dictionary. Ceremony has nothing to do with friends and enemies. You went to school na.
So a naming ceremony, you gather both friends and enemies of your baby?
Even to a fool, this makes no sense.

Guy people only invite friends and we'll wishers to their ceremony but they don't do it in secret because ceremonies are noticeable by everyone.

So apart from Jesus' disciples who else witnessed Jesus' ascension to heaven?

tctrills:
You say that the promise has been fulfilled that God is judging all nations from Jerusalem because the of pentecost and the eunuch.
So to JW all nations are being judged from Jerusalem. This people are incredible.

Whatever you think is not my cup of tea so make yourself clear!

tctrills:
No it doesn't say so let me snap and send.

Will soon show that destruction of evildoers will come after Jesus declared judgment against those who refused to accept the peacemaking work the friends of peace are doing globally! Luke 19:27

Ask Jehovah's Witnesses to explain to you!

tctrills:
You are still not making any sense. What point are you trying to make here sir.
When did this Judgement you are speaking about begin?

When did Jesus first walk the earth?

Guy, whoever speaks against the WORKS of God's Holy Spirit through Jesus' ministry has already as in ALREADY been judged! Matthew 12:31-32 compare to John 3:17-19

tctrills:
He ascended in a ceremonial manner and when he returns he will be seen in the skies and will stand on a mont. It's all in your Bible but you no dey read.

Olódo!

Do you know what "CEREMONIAL" means?

Well i will teach you.

It means both his friends, enemies and spectators will PHYSICALLY witness the event just as everyone knows about a ceremony!

tctrills:
Let me qoute your publication word for word
Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 24:14; Revelation 7:9-15.... God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.
I am sure you don't agree

Olódo!

Instead of asking us to TEACH you!

The publication is saying

"These are the signs of the end so all evildoers will soon be gone"

delkuf himself has made things easy for Jehovah's Witnesses!

[1]
Out of all the religionists on this forum he could mention just one group that's visiting people in their homes just as Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 10:11-13} where are all the other religions claiming Christians?

[2]
They didn't just shout in buses or corners of the streets but engaged him in Bible discussions, of course they never preached Michael is Jesus to him he must have initiated the discussion thinking they don't have biblical backing.

[3]
Jehovah's Witnesses presented their belief with efficacy that delkuf have to rush back to Nairaland seeking support from whoever could help him to counter the competency of the Jehovah's Witnesses!

[4]
Despite all the agitation of members of Christendom no church could prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong because from time immemorial Bible scholars are of the opinion that Jesus is the angel of God in the Bible! Exodus 14:19
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

[5]
After everything this is delkuf's conclusion:

delkuf:
well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye

So he could only say "i disagree"

When you are ready to learn my guy, WHEN YOU ARE READY!

TenQ:
Boo hoo!

Silenced the man that does not even respect the NWT of the JW bible. He is waiting for the old men from Brooklyn to revise their position before he can think for himself.


The more reason you should answer the question except you are ASHAMED of your God or you are ASHAMED of your Doctrine as JW.


1. Is your God not a SUBSET of the Universe? He is a SUBSET!

2. Can your God be EVERYWHERE and SOMEWHERE at the same time? NO!

Where was "Jehovah" of the Jehovah's witnesses before he created heavens?

You have proven that you cannot answer the question. You needn't bother responding if you can't answer the Initial question!

Again: Don't feign Ignorance to the scripture before you. What does verse 10a say

From your fake translation
Exodus 24:9-11 NWT
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
10 And they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was what seemed like a sapphire pavement, and it was as pure as the heavens themselves.
11 He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God; then they ate and drank


This is Your own fake translation! Always twisting the Bible to fit their doctrine

Can you check from the Hebrew interlinear if what they saw was a vision of God!


See deliberate lies from the JW organisation to fit their doctrine

tctrills:
You are confused. The argument here is if the prophecies of Isaiah 2.2-4 have come to pass.

According to your church publication. It will be a time when there will be no more war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.

So oga, has that time come yet?

Olódo!

Who taught you that?

tctrills:
Rubbish. Jesus is not already around. Read your Bible.
Acts 1.11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Also read Zechariah 14:4

In what manner did Jesus ascend to heaven?

Guy he ascended in a none ceremonial manner so only his disciples knew about his departure and they are the same people who spread the Good News to whoever is willing to accept it just as only Jehovah's Witnesses knew he returned in the year 1914 and telling people who are willing to accept it!