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Truthseeker10:
So from your submission above, do you agree that God is responsible for the evil and suffering that affects both good and bad people in the world today?

NO!

Aemmyjah:
If all the brothers will ignore him this year. You're doing him good for his mental state.

The funny thing about him is how he feels honored when his faithless friends are hailing him.

achorladey:
How many times will I hammer my answers into your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains? I have lost count.

In order to advance your madness and insanities peddling you said Achorladey = Emusan. Your madness and insanities peddling brains forgot you want to explain the name of my church when I told Myer what it is. Here you are asking question to console your lies and manipulations filled brains that do I still believe in God/Bible? Like a typical Jehovah’s witness who believes anybody that leaves that man made concocted Jehovah's organization don't do well or become atheist.

Had your brains worked properly that day you won't classify me and others as those described in Psalms 1:1. You want to massage your self righteousness abi?

Your repetition of hurtful words won't do anything so calmly address the issue!

achorladey:
I have to hammer it into your brains again that what I choose to add as comment here is not within your jurisdiction to decide whether it be my former religious organisation or not.

Do you still believe in God/Bible?

If you do instead of always lamenting on your former religion you should be able to say something about your new found faith.

That's what the young man is asking you!

achorladey:
The worst fool on Nairaland that says Achorladey = Emusan join his madness and insanities peddling brains to say I am an atheist with no evidence. Lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains didn't end in 2024. How come the title of this thread changed to JW 008. A testament of the ways of Jehovah's Witnesses when caught in outright lies they start manipulating whatever they have put out there to look good.

It's OK just speak with others about your faith apart from threads that has to do with your former religion.

Do have a lovely day!

Aemmyjah:
1 bottle of palm wine for you

What confuses most people is religion as they misconstrue it for faith.

Ask religionists on Nairaland to tell you the correlation between the practices of their religion and belief system and see why atheists have reasons to speak against what religionists are calling faith.

JobZoneNews:
It wan not the lifeless thing called Baal that was answering them. Demons attached to it was answering them.
But when the power of God was present, the demons could not manifest or talk.
Let us know the real enemies - the demons and the devil not the man made things called Baal..
Paul said so much about the non relevance of these lifeless materials put together as idols

The demons bear names like Baal, Zeus, Jupiter and so on but the meeting point where their adherents often converse with them is their shrines.
So it's not the shrine or items kept their that's responding to calls but the demon occupying the shrine!

It's better to sought out the difference between RELIGION and FAITH!

Religion:
Belief in a spiritual or metaphysical reality (often including at least one deity), accompanied by practices or rituals pertaining to the belief.

Faith:
The assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.

Religion has to do with BELIEFS and most belief system is based on credulity but faith is based on hope of something we are expecting perhaps we have heard or been told therefore as we are WORKING towards its success and making a headway we persist in doing what we know to achieve it.
So persistence in working towards what is not yet visible is FAITH!

SadEast419:
I like your point that real faith involves effort and study, not just passive belief. Maybe science and faith both require a kind of trust—science in what can be tested and faith in things beyond human understanding.
You said faith requires studying and questioning, but many religious traditions discourage questioning too much. Some religious authorities have historically opposed scientific discoveries—like heliocentrism or evolution. Should faith always encourage questioning, or are there limits?

It's religion that discourage questioning not FAITH!

Take for insurance the man called Abraham the Bible says this man is the father of all those having FAITH {Romans 4:11} but did Abraham followed a blind faith?
Well he is the first human to QUESTION God:

Then Abraham approached and said: “Will you really sweep away the righteous with the wicked?
 Suppose there are 50 righteous men within the city. Will you, then, sweep them away and not pardon the place for the sake of the 50 righteous who are inside it?
It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:23-25

What about TRIAL and ERROR that you mentioned?
Abraham was promised that his children will inherit the land of Canaan yet his wife was barren so Abraham took some TRIAL and ERROR steps perhaps God will fulfill His promises in another way. He began sleeping with his wife's maid along with the wife, the young maid got pregnant and had a son for Abraham so he concluded God has finally answered him he said:

“O that Ishʹma·el (the maid's son) might live before you!” Genesis 17:18

but God told this man NO!:

“Your wife Sarah will definitely bear you a son, and you must name him Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant to his offspring after him. But as regards Ishʹma·el, I have heard you. Look! I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him very, very much. He will produce 12 chieftains, and I will make him become a great nation. However, I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this appointed time next year.” Genesis 17:19-21

So what will happen to Ishmael?
God promised to bless the child too but his case was that of TRIAL and ERROR by Abraham not what God had in mind for this great man of FAITH.

Selfish politicians makes use of zombies to gain power so if you find any terrorist group know that such a group will easily become a tool in the hands of a politician no matter the religion such killer groups claim as long as they believe in righting the wrong in human society they are all the same!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, they reject any thing which destroys their upsets their standing in atheism whether reasonable or scientific.

Making contributions to human knowledge has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist exactly how being a Nigerian or a Russian has nothing to do with making a contribution to humanity.

Thus, does your understanding of what faith is and science co exist? Yes they already do, for it is by faith and believe that you used to enter a plane (science) to fly from Lagos to Toronto the first time for you have never flown before and if you look out the window of the plane, you would not see the "road" to Toronto. But you just believed that the driver, whom by the way you do not even know, will go through that blue or grey sky of nothingness to take you to a place you have never been to before.

That is clearly an example of faith and science working together.

Excellent!

Digitmktguru:
Please explain this Bible passsage from biblical concept wholistically"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"(Isaiah 45:7)

Jehovah is assuring His loyal worshipers that as the Creator of both the things we know as GOOD and things we know as EVIL there is no need for fear as long as He is on our side! Psalms 118:6

There was a time when a king decided to roast God's servants in fire but Jehovah proved that He knows all the gasses that formed fire by changing its course and turning the gasses into air conditioner but what really proves that Jehovah is the Creator is how the same furnace that killed Nebuchadnezzar's mighty men became like cooler for Shadrach Meshak and Abednego {Daniel 3:1-25} we all know that lions are predators so when Daniel was thrown in the lion's den these predators became like domestic animals but the same lions devour those who schemed how Daniel was thrown into their den! Daniel 6:12-26

So Jehovah who created darkness and light has the power to switch them even death is nothing before Jehovah because He has power to restore the dead back to life! John 11:17-44

STUDY ARTICLE 49

SONG 147 Life Everlasting Is Promised

Everlasting Life for You—But How?

“Everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him [will] have everlasting life.”—JOHN 6:40.

FOCUS;
How both the anointed and the other sheep benefit from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

I believe we can resume the WT study but this time around no attention should be given to anyone who is not JW!

cornelboy:
Hey what's your religion now, or you still wandering around?

He's now an atheist but sometimes he tries to engage people just pretending because i told him to prove he still believe the Bible!

cornelboy:
Been a while ser
I say make I come today
I forgot my login details

How are things over there?

My brother we dey o!

jaephoenix:
How can something based off belief and make-believe inspire something tangible and solid like science? How? These theists are clowns

Olódo!
Dullard!

Below is the definition of SCIENCE:


*A particular discipline or branch of knowledge that is natural, measurable or consisting of systematic principles rather than intuition or technical skill.

*Knowledge gained through study or practice; mastery of a particular discipline or area.

*The fact of knowing something; knowledge or understanding of a truth.

*The collective discipline of study or learning acquired through the scientific method; the sum of knowledge gained from such methods and discipline.

*Knowledge derived from scientific disciplines, scientific method, or any systematic effort.

FAITH according to God's word is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Oya Mr atheist tell us how FAITH and SCIENCE negates each other!

SadEast419:
I get your point, but isn't there a difference between faith and educated guesswork? The Wright brothers didn't just randomly believe they could fly—they studied physics, tested designs, and refined their work based on observations. Science isn't about blind faith; it's about trial, error, and evidence. Would you still call that faith, or is it just determination and knowledge?

The highlighted is exactly what FAITH is!

Winners don't quit and quiters don't win FAITH is not blind you have to study your environment and people around you before you start working towards something.
You said the Wright Brothers studied physics, tested designs and refined their work all these amounts to never quitting.
Now read what the Bible says about faith in God and let's see if it's the same:

My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. Proverbs 2:1-5

The aim of the believer is to find the knowledge of God or let's say figure out if God truly exists.
The first step is reading God's laws, then studying how it applies to humans around you, then ask questions to know what the laws is achieving within faithful adherents, you mustn't give up (keep seeking for it as sliver and searching for it as for hidden treasures) then you will see with your mind's eyes that truly God exists.

The problem with most people is lack of faith in what they're pursuing so they give up half way then start looking for who to blame.

The Wright Brothers never did that but keep on working towards their dreams as they put everything they could lay their hands on to good use.

That is real FAITH!

jaephoenix:
Oga abeg answer.Have you met Elon Musk before? Yes or no?

OK, Who is Elon Musk?

Aemmyjah:
Kobojunkie is one highly delusional person

That's true!

OP is talking about FAITH and SCIENCE but Kobo changed it to SCIENCE and RELIGION because she doesn't know any single thing to say about FAITH but she can talk and talk and talk about RELIGION as that's what is visible to her!

Aemmyjah:
All these stupid and woke atheists looking for any prominent and popular person that does not promote religious values to parade themselves like they are something. Even if Musk is an atheist, that means atheists are wise shey?

What he doesn't realize is that when others are talking about their God and he mention Elon Musk it simply means he has accepted the man as his own God because he is ready to obey Elon Musk since he is visible to him and he revere him so much!

Aemmyjah:
Nonsense
I don't blame you
Only true Christian on planet earth

This one doesn't even know the difference between RELIGION and FAITH to her faith has made you a religionists when a patient who swallowed a dozen of pills prescribed by a doctor has already shown his FAITH In the medicine!

Aemmyjah:
Mad jaephoenix
Does Elon claim to be an atheist?

Calling him "MAD" makes the spirit using him a winner because that's what the spirit wants. Romans 12:17-21

That spirit is really agitated so it's no longer comfortable at all in fact if he can see me i know he will like to hurt me physically just because of my faith!

jaephoenix:
MadMax have you met Elon Musk before? Yes or no?

ATHEISM has finished you completely!

How can you compare a group of people who wants to prove that supernatural exists and someone who is just living his own life without proving anything to anyone?

Ọmọ we are talking about religionists who can speak to you about their faith in the God they worship not some random guy in the US nah.

So if i say i've not had any experience with worshipers of those Gods it doesn't mean i haven't read about them but their God is DEAD that's why they aren't as active as the worshipers of the God who sent His own people to go visiting their neighbors at home {Psalms 115:4-8} and supported them with His active force so that they are not afraid to speak with anyone! Act 1:8

Do you get it now?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe science and religion faith can rationally coexist mainly because religion is built on a foundation of contradictions. How can an arm of human knowledge that builds on facts be said to be complementary to ideas that build on falsehoods/contradictions? How or where does this complementary connection begin or end?

It's not science against religion but faith and science!

SadEast419:
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Interesting point, but if faith is needed for science, then why do many scientific discoveries contradict religious beliefs? For example, many religious traditions rejected evolution and heliocentrism at first. If faith and science always work together, why do they sometimes clash? P.S faith is believing in something that seems not to exist. Something you can't see

Highlighted is a wrong definition!

Nothing exists to humans until they are able to provide step to step process how it happened so as long as they don't know they will turn a blind eye on it.
But when they know how to go about it they will call it SCIENCE. Whereas it takes great faith to figure many things we are using today because if you ask people few centuries ago they will tell you it's impossible yet we are using these things today!

As hi dey swit us hi dey pain dem!

Atheists (captured by demons) don't have a thing to discuss in their gathering so they have to depend on whatever comes out of the mouth of believers {1Peter 1:12} yet instead of them to thank us for being a shield for them in times of loneliness {Isaiah 32:2} they still want to insult us. Matthew 5:11-12
I often wonder what manner of man is Jesus?
He said about his disciples:

You are the salt of the world. Matthew 5:13
You are the light of the world. Matthew 5:14-16

No science without faith and no faith without science both compliments each other only lawless and rebellious humans wants to separate the two!

Faith has been defined as the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

So you can't call something "FAITH" if you refuse to WORK towards it {James 2:18-26} and it's the process by which you achieve it that is called SCIENCE.

Take for insurance the Wright Brothers who invented the aeroplane, have they seen a flying vessel carrying passengers before?
NO!
So what made them believe that this is possible?
"FAITH"
That's why they began WORKING towards its success but today ask an atheist how the aeroplane came about he will start talking about the step by step process the inventor followed instead of inventing another thing to prove that there is no FAITH backing SCIENCE!

Here is what you typed with your own hands.

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you.

But trust the Bible God, His word endures forever {Hebrews 4:12} He promised that spiritual hunger will continue to drag you back no matter how stubborn you are! Amos 8:11

jaephoenix:
So what did he do to Pharaoh's heart when Moses wanted deliverance?

jaephoenix:
Its either you're too ignorant or too dishonest.
There are followers of those gods till tomorrow. A simple Google search woulda straightened you out but then I heard education is frowned upon by your guys, so….

jaephoenix:
1. How do you know your god exists, never mind, breathing, smelling, eating etc?
2. Also Mormons knock on doors too. So that makes them legit, no?

jaephoenix:
Sometimes it would be a good idea to look at your posts and check whether they make sense.
You said he never spoke to anyone challenging his authority but in the book of Job, not only did he speak with his arch adversary, Satan, the later was chilling with him and his angels, even doing the occasional bet using pawns like Job. They parleyed like proper buddies!
Also what you said about other gods is the exact stuff they say about you christians. So who do we believe? And why?

jaephoenix:
You're one cunning lil dude aint you
You went from 'God doesn't talk to those challenging his authority' to 'God doesn't talk to those who don't believe he exists'. Quote disingenuous of you
Anyway, in the Bible, there were no atheists, so we wouldn't know if yhwh woulda spoken to them or not.
So how did u arrive at the conclusion that yhwh don't talk to no atheists(but he freely parleys with the 'god' of atheists, Satan)?

jaephoenix:
Can you quote where yhwh said the bolded in the babble?

jaephoenix:
What did you say here

jaephoenix:
Whoa! What a leap of goalpost!
From yhwh not talking to those challenging him to him not talking to those that don't believe supernaturals!
What else is bulging in that wonderful ever-resourceful ass of yours?

jaephoenix:
I now understand why your sect is so much against education.
Illiteracy is what they require to thrive cos you can't tell me a grown ass man that says he's a grandfather and ex-intelligence, doesn't know almighty, omnipotent and all-powerful are the same. And whats worse, we have shown you countless times evidence that they are the same

jaephoenix:
Are you aware Israelites had peaceful neighbours but Yhwh still wanted them dead?

jaephoenix:
Who said we wanna join you deluded lots? Look at the topic. It clearly denigrates atheists, and you expect atheists to just keep mum. When people talk bullshit about JWs don't you jump into the thread, arms flailing?

jaephoenix:
He's quoting someone and has to append the original author. I know u r ignorant about plagiarism, just like you don't know that almighty, omnipotent and all-powerful are the same.

jaephoenix:
Wonderful! Another banger from the stables of MadMax!
1. So you agree that capital punishment of bears mauling children, is a just punishment for them?
2. So you agree that you should have been killed when you mocked 'church elders appointed by Yhwh'?

jaephoenix:
I live in Nigeria. I haven't encountered any Hindu or Buddhist personally. Does it mean the adherents of these religions don't exist? No.
MadMax pray tell, what did JW elders do to your brain?

This is the post you quoted:

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know about you but since i was born until now none of these has been mentioned except in story books when people around me are travelling either to Jerusalem or Mecca in search of the Abrahamic God!

So the highlighted in your post has proved me right!