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Nachmonides:
What does scripture mean by the word "ascension" ?

Nachmonides:
Indeed, God's word is clear. Farewell.

I think it'll be better to engage your dear brethren in da lord to whom God's word is clear!

GothamCities:
There's nothing in those scriptures that supposes that there are any mighty gods. There are the mighty, which ordinarily are people. There are the gods,not mighty gods. The Bible does not recognize any other mighty God apart from The Mighty God. The definitive 'The' even shows that there's only one Mighty God recognized by scriptures. You guys are full of demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods, yet you keep disputing the Godship of Jesus. Aren't you confused? Jesus is not A Might God, He is The Mighty God. The only Mighty God. Moses was never a god. God made him a god unto pharaoh, not for pharaoh ho worship him but for pharaoh to be at his command. Did pharaoh or anyone ever worship Moses? You must have been bewitched to even say Moses was a might God. Haha!

Moses was a God just as Jesus was a God nobody worshiped the two of them because they both refer people to the God they worshiped.
Some translations rendered Obeisance as worship so i can't blame you the error came from translators who infused their philosophy into their translations.

MrPresident1:
All you have written is deliberate misuse, misapplication, misquotation and mistranslation of the Holy Word of God, all these offences carry heavy penalties is you back ready? Is your spinal cord strong enough

Jerusalem is the Apple of God's eye forever, where he has chosen to place his name forever, and where Jesus will reign over the whole universe. Jerusalem, the city of David, is where Jesus Christ will reign from

Psalm 137:4-9
King James Version
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Jehovah witness is one of the offshoot religions of Babylon and when Babylon is smashed Jehovah witness will be smashed along with it.

Well i have presented what God's only begotten son said about the Jewish city of Jerusalem so the message is clear enough.
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38
Thanks for your time!

MrPresident1:
We are not interested in your winding interpretation. Show us what you are saying from Scriptures. This thing that you have written, prove it from the Bible.

You keep referring to yourself as "WE" are you not just one individual?
Well you have not shown where John the baptist teaches against God or Jesus o!

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

If you are living on this planet presently and you can see that all the so called law enforcement agents are not up to 1% of the population in your country yet your rulers makes rules that's making life unbearable for the masses despite the fact that those who will enforce such rules are also among the suffering masses what makes you think Pharaoh whose law enforcement agents were all Egyptians can't do the same thing to the Israelites who were never trained to handle weapons?

GothamCities:
There's only one Mighty God

There are many mighty Gods!
Psalms 82:1 compare to 1Corinthians 8:5

But only one God is ALMIGHTY! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

GothamCities:
If Adam is one of the mighty God's according to you, why do you deny Jesus's Godship? What makes Adam one one of the mighty God's? Are you s pagan? Jesus is not one of the mighty gods. Jesus is the Might God.

Where did i count Adam as one of the mighty Gods?
The rebellious angels that turned to demons and are worshiped by humans are mighty spirit beings including human kings who sits as Gods in their respective positions are all mighty Gods that's why the Almighty said they will all perish because they never gave Him the glory but ascribed glory to themselves! Psalms 82:6 compare to Act 12:21-23
Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods too but they both gave the Almighty all the glory!

GothamCities:
And that's kept by all christians.
You're yet to provide scriptures that say that Christians cannot be soldiers.

You don't know what being a Christian means.
If anyone deliberately disobey any order from Jesus he or she is no longer on the road to everlasting life:

"You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you" John 15:14

Disobedience to the order coming from the mouth of God's only begotten son makes a person WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:23

MrPresident1:
John the Baptist was also actively teaching against the LORD

Where in the Bible was John the baptist TEACHING AGAINST God or Jesus?

Please quote the scriptures and let people see.

Thank you!

GothamCities:
Give me scriptures that say Christians can't.

Jesus condemned the use of physical weapons among his disciples! Matthew 26:52
Jesus told his disciples never to retaliate when they are wronged! Matthew 5:38-39
Jesus told his disciples to be cautious like serpents and HARMLESS like doves! Mathew 10:16

Can a soldier be harmless?
Emphatically not!

GothamCities:
He's the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

Adam supposed to live forever as the father of all mankind but lost his life and passed sin and death to all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus came to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} and bought us with his blood making us his own children so that all those that believe him as their foster father by faith and live by his teachings as a child learns from his father {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} are no longer Adam's descendants but have become children of an obedient father who will last forever unlike Adam our former but dead father. John 1:11-12
He is also one of the mighty Gods {Psalms 82:1, 6} like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but not the Almighty! Psalms 83:18

Godson1379:
Yes indeed and it will take an eternity to learn about the true MYSTERIES of the Almighty.

Please don't use that word (MYSTERY) it is incoherent instead use the word SACRED SECRET

If God's word is mysterious then we can never ever agree on what the message is but Jesus said his true disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and Paul said there should be no confusion among true believers! 1Corinthians 14:33

So there is no mystery in God's word because mystery is unsearchable whereas secrets could be unraveled.

Jesus was a spirit being before coming to planet earth the body he used as a man is all we need to pay for our sin because it's a perfect human body without sin.
So after his earthly mission {John 19:30} he was dead for three days but raised by God back to his spirit life again {1Corinthians 15:44} that's why his friends couldn't recognize him anymore as he's no longer in that former body! John 20:14; Luke 24:15-16

MrPresident1:
Don't just reference the Bible, I dare you to quote your NWT directly here let everyone see the evil you bastards have done in mistranslating the Bible, of which you will have your recompense. You will have your reward

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

If you don't want this it's OK i'm just here to help Jesus said John is greater than all the prophets before his time but in the Kingdom of heaven John is not even fit to be the least this means John's work is great before God but when talking about those who are going to rule with Jesus in heaven John is not qualified.
It's as simple as that!

MrPresident1:
Let us discuss. Quote the places you are referencing, don't just reference, quote. No one wants to listen to your English, we want to see what you are saying in the Bible.

To the Jews Jesus said:

"The Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43

And regarding the Jewish city Jerusalem Jesus said:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

In Jerusalem the Jews condemned Jesus just as they condemned other faithful servants of God saying:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25


That is why Jerusalem no longer fit in for the glory of God's Kingdom.
Some individuals like you may argue that we just picked a verse so you can read the whole chapter but pay rapt attention to the QUOTED verses perhaps you may have another interpretation.

Thanks for your time.

Godson1379:
This Spirit Being ascension, is the Holy Spirit of God involved in any of this?

There is a lot to learn!

Godson1379:
The Heavenly Kingdom of God

Originally the Jebusite stronghold that came to be called “the City of David.” {1Ki 8:1; 1Ch 11:5} After capturing Mount Zion, David established his royal residence there. {2Sa 5:6, 7, 9} Alluding to David’s ruling from Zion as God’s anointed one are Jehovah’s words: “I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.” {Ps 2:6} Zion became a mountain especially holy to Jehovah when David had the sacred Ark transferred there. {2Sa 6:17} Later, the designation “Zion” embraced the temple area on Mount Moriah (where the Ark was moved during Solomon’s reign) and the term was, in fact, applied to the entire city of Jerusalem. {Compare Isa 1:8; 8:18} Since the Ark was associated with Jehovah’s presence {Ex 25:22; Le 16:2} and because Zion was a symbol of heavenly realities, Zion was referred to as the place of God’s dwelling {Ps 9:11; 74:2; 76:2; 78:68; 132:13, 14; 135:21} and the place from which help, blessing, and salvation would come.—Ps 14:7; 20:2; 50:2; 53:6; 134:3.
For unfaithfulness to him, Jehovah allowed the Babylonians to desolate Zion, or Jerusalem.
Later, in fulfillment of prophecy, Jehovah restored a remnant of his repentant people to Zion, or Jerusalem. {Isa 35:10; 51:3; 52:1-8; Jer 50:4, 5, 28; 51:10, 24, 35} This made it possible for Jesus Christ to ride into Jerusalem on the colt of an ass and present himself to Zion as king, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Zechariah. Zec 9:9; Mt 21:5; Joh 12:15
Only a remnant responded favorably, whereas the religious leaders rejected Jesus as king and sought his death. This pointed to calamity for earthly Jerusalem, or Zion, and its casting off by God.—Mt 21:33-46.
As Jesus had been rejected in earthly Jerusalem, it could not have been there that Jehovah laid his Son as “a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation.” {Isa 28:16; Ro 9:32, 33; 1Pe 2:6} Rather, it must have been in the Zion concerning which Hebrew Christians were told: “But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant.” {Heb 12:22-24} It is evidently on this heavenly Mount Zion that the Lamb, Christ Jesus, stands with the 144,000 who have been purchased from the earth.—Re 14:1-3

Godson1379:
How does he manifest himself to the believer since he ascended in fleshly form according to the scriptures. I didn't see any spirit being ascension anywhere in all the scriptures, if you doubt can you quote one?

He is not of our kind {John 8:23} so the body he used is not like ours that was a perfect body equal to what Adam had {1Corinthians 15:45} and that's why only someone with such a body qualifies to pay for the sin we inherited from Adam. Psalms 49:7-9
So at death that body become the sacrifice paid for our sin. That is why he resurrected a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44

Godson1379:
Remember he said when two or three are gathered in my name, there I am with them. This simply means omnipresence. So in what form does he achieve this possibility?

He simply means where TRUE Christians gather he will be their chairman since they gather to do the work he assigned to them! Matthew 28:18-20

It was a materialized body to prove that he's now alive but the old perfect human body no longer belongs to him that's what he paid to redeem mankind {Hebrews 9:12} so he was raised as a spirit being that is what nobody can take from him! John 10:17-18

Obrigardo:
Tell me I'm wrong

You are 100% correct but not only one or two political party all political parties will imprison and kill Jesus if he comes as he did the first time with the same message he brought back then!

gohf:
0 times.

OK count this as one and stop quoting me!

gohf:
who is this that darkens God's words with words without wisdom?
So God YHVH said thou shall marry only one wife?
So Jesus taught that there will be marriage in paradise between the saints who will be like the angels in heaven?
You think speaking about God, is a discussion about region and religion?

I have told you to stop engaging me only Jehovah's Witnesses will enter Paradise if you like continue deceiving yourself!

gohf:
guy you sound like the friends of Job, sometimes when God no send you, be quiet. Saying nothing may have been better. May someone not tell you this when you are going through pain.

How many times do i have to tell you not to engage me again?
Is that too difficult for you?
Well i don't have your time because whether you like it or not if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses working with the organization there is no salvation for you!

AbuTwins:
Hopefully you won't cut away my comment and respond to the one you wish from it. Adam didn't worship the God of Israel! Same as Moses and Abraham. They never knew any tribe like Israel! You God is limited to Israel. Almost everything about your Bible is referenced to Israel. Even Jesus told the Canaanite woman he was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel.

In your Quran can you mention two prophets before Jesus who are not from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

AbuTwins:
So where is the Spirit of truth? Don't tell me the Spirit of Truth came as your JW founder!

Whatever is meant by the spirit of truth can't be defined by an Arabian since we are not talking about the God of Arabia.

AbuTwins:
Of course Jesus didn't lie. Jesus didn't write anything in the Bible. People wrote things on behalf of Jesus without his authorization. So no one said Jesus lied. What was written about him is plain falsehood. That's why almost 90% of Jesus's life is unfounded in the Bible. Jesus was absent from 1-11years. Also from 13-30yrs!

Were you there to know the highlighted?

AbuTwins:
Where's the God's word? Are you saying what Luke and Mark wrote are God's word? And you are the liar because a group of the companions of the Prophet did saw Angel Gabriel come to meet the Prophet as a man and he taught them Islam.

Who wrote the Quran?
Is Quran God's word?

AbuTwins:
On whose testimony are each of the new testament books based? Who testified that Mark was writing from God? Who testified that Luke was writing from God? What about Paul, the antichrist who became the champion after Jesus left? On whose testimony is he on? Everyone was just writing and some group of people selected what they deem fit to promote....

Four contemporaries of Jesus wrote his story and they are all in agreement regarding his teachings. That's the work of WITNESSES.
who wrote the story of Muhammad?

AbuTwins:
I like this your last Paragraph the most. It actually shows you JW are just as cynical and hypocritical as any other Christian denomination! Muhammad is not the only one to marry such wives! God gave Adam only Even in your Bible. Abraham married two, David like 8, Solomon 300 + 700 concubines, Lamech 2, Moses 2.... Jacob even married two sisters Rachel and Leah and their slaves Bihar and Zilpar!
So you have no mouth to say anything in this regard since Israel was free to marry multiple wives and slaves and your God of Israel permitted it. Why did Jehovah give David his master's wives and even wanted to give him more?
And as regards marriage age, tell us the defined marriage age in the Bible?
How old were the virgins spared for Jehovah and the warriors in Numbers 31?
Jehovah got 32 virgins from that war! How old was each?

God set the standard regarding marriage in the beginning {Matthew 19:4} so whoever fails to live in accordance with this standard has derailed that's why He sent Jesus to teach us how Paradise will be.
Two women can never agree to share the same man in Paradise because that's not the standard God set in the beginning!

Do you now see how haughtiness leads people to destruction?

The Jews knew very well that the first century is when the Messiah will show up but due to the haughtiness in their hearts they condemned Jesus of Nazareth so the question is:

Which group or leader of a group will serve as the Christ?

None of them could come up yet they were unanimously condemning Jesus and his disciples, they even said Jesus was working with Satan that's why he's able to fulfill the prophecies having to do with the Christ {Matthew 12:24} but how can Satan be fighting against himself? Matthew 12:25-26

Jesus foretold that his true disciples will meet the same response from people of the world {Matthew 10:24-25} today you want to condemn all religious groups and the hilarious thing is you also worship somewhere so what are you saying about your own place of worship?

Well this is what Jesus said will happen to faithless people who are hiding under false religions:

They will be hiding under anonymous to cover their unrepentant attitude {John 3:19} so when you ask of their churches they will tell you they are Christians but they won't tell you the name of their church and since the churches are contradicting themselves it's like using that name "Christians" for a cover out of shamelessness since their politicians and military men are also with them {Revelations 6:15-16} that's why the true God promised to call His worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

For your information the mountains and hills means false religions and rocks means the branches of these religions (Churches) {Hosea 10:8} but there will be a religion or organization that will be noticed globally as this stands tall above them all! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1

So i ask you again:

Which organization will stand after false religions are destroyed?

MrPresident1:
Babylon which Jehovah witness is one of its appendages will be destroyed, Alfa jona e nbere irungbon?
Jehovah witness zombie organization is going to hell with Babylon

Which organization will remain standing as Ezekiel 38:8-9 says?

MrPresident1:
His word will come directly from Jerusalem. He will rule all the nations and all the universe from his capital in Jerusalem. He is the stone cut out without hands. Babylon will be smashed lubulubu with Jehovah witness inside it.

The highlighted has been squashed as a New Jerusalem has replaced the earthly Jerusalem now {Revelations 21:2} Jesus said the earthly Jerusalem (Jewish city) has lost that glory {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} that's why his disciples were afraid because they believe so much in that city as God's temple is built there as a mark of God's approval {Matthew 24:1-2} but Jesus told them that his center of government will no longer be in earthly Jerusalem rather they will be taken to heaven where he will establish his government! John 14:1-3

So the Jewish city of Jerusalem has been CONDEMNED!

MrPresident1:
We have done all the research there is to do about Jehovah witness. It is a false, infinitely insidious, evil and wicked organization dedicated to Satan and ensuring Satan's perpetual reign on the earth by fostering ignorance, promoting lies, the abdication of sound reason and promotion of mental zombiesm.
God will destroy Babylon and all its plethora of false religions including Jehovah witness zombie organization.

Which one will remain standing? Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1

MrPresident1:
Jehovah witness organisation of America, the one that has corrupted the Holy Bible to shreds, the one that has turned human beings into zombies, will be destroyed and its enslaved given freedom from the yoke of lies and ignorance when Christ is revealed.

Everyone one including yourself who has played an active role in the purveying of lies, falsehoods, untruths and all angels of ignorance will have their judgment.

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Don't be deceived my guy because it is certain that false religions will be destroyed but then God promised that one organization will remain standing tall at that time! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1

This organization will seems vulnerable to attack because they have stopped military services and no longer learn wars {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} that's why Satan will direct all his agents (politicians throughout the earth) to go after them! Ezekiel 38:8-9

So which religion or organization will that be?

Because he never lived to see the day God anointed believers to become BORN AGAIN {Act 2:1-4} as a faithful servant of God who lived with Christ he supposed to become a BORN AGAIN but died before then so he can't make heaven like 144,000 faithful servants of God who were his contemporaries! Revelations 14:1
So of all those who have lived before him as servants of God John the baptist is the greatest because he didn't just see the salvation by God (Jesus) but he is the one who cleared the way for Christ as well as sending his own disciples to be followers of Christ after baptizing the Christ. John 1:29, 36-37
All servants of God have longed to see all these things but they never did! Luke 2:25-30

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

But you're still alive with a smart phone or computer to type this when many are crying in pain on their hospital bed.
Well you need to know the true Christians first, learn the purpose of life from them then you can start your prayer as you will know where to channel your petitions and what you must pray for!


Give us today our daily bread.‭Matthew 6:11


Jesus taught his disciples to pray for what they need DAILY not what the world has to offer! Matthew 6:19-21

MrPresident1:
You are of the devil. And you have guts
All false religions including Jehovah witness organisarion of America will be destroyed

Surely all false religions will be destroyed but then one will remain standing tall {Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1} that is what i'm inviting you to research and find out before it's too late.
From my own personal research the only organization that will remain is Jehovah's Witnesses so try to figure out yours then let's analyze our findings.

Thanks!

MrPresident1:
The true worshipers the Jehovah witness cult I see now

That's what Jesus said you people will call his Organized followers:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

MrPresident1:
Funny the one who is trying to harass us over a prophecy that did not go as they thought is a Jehovah witness. This is incredible

Who are with you that you're referring to as "US"?
Come on! I'm talking to you and you alone because i noticed how much you want to be used by the true God but you're just zealous without knowledge of the truth! Romans 10:2-3
There are many churches out there you dare not mention yours because there's none that has the pedigree for such presentation yet each of them is making their prophecies so you're alone in this!