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gohf:
oh okay, I suspected you both didn't have true faith in God nor His son, Jesus Christ but you should speak for yourself

We have our TEACHERS so if you're not learning from the same source it's OK you're entitled to your opinion about us.

Aemmyjah is one of my brothers he will speak the same thing myself and him learn from the same source.

Thank you!

gohf:
why are you mentioning me?

To alert Nachmonides that you're not of our faith!

Aemmyjah:
Lol
You are slow of reasoning

Sometimes arrogance will blur the sense of normal humans and it's as if they must argue or they will die!

Nachmonides:
Bravo.
Why do you say it's his role, are there others that have roles besides Jesus?

His role in the salvation plan is CHRIST which means the anointed one.

Israelites have been expecting this saviour from the time God promised them through Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The others who have roles to play besides Jesus are humans that welcome and acknowledge him as the Christ {Matthew 19:28} his teaching and do the work he gave them {Matthew 16:18-19; 28:19-20} in fact they are going to have great names the type that even spirit sons of God (angels) never had {Revelations 12:14} after this twelve 144,000 who also got baptism of holy spirit will become corulers with them {Revelations 14:1} they are all going to live with Jesus in heaven! John 14:6

The rest of obedient mankind will enjoy God's everlasting blessings on planet earth under the heavenly government of Christ and his 144,000 corulers! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11,29

Please ignore the gohf guy he has nothing to do with what you and i are discussing.

Nachmonides:
Awesome.
Alright, to know and believe him.
All that he has said/revealed through Jesus right?

The secret is whoever fails to acknowledge Jesus' role in the salvation plan can't be saved. John 3:16-18

WHY?

Because we need a replacement for Adam who suppose to teach us what his father wants {Luke 3:38} but since Adam chose to be independent he can't teach us what the person he viewed as too demanding taught him that's why Jesus came to take his place {1Corinthians 15:45} no descendant of Adam can save us from Adamic sin {Psalms 49:6-9} because we have all fall short of God's glory! Romans 3:23

So a neutral person who doesn't inherit sin from Adam must sacrifice his sinless human life to redeem us {Luke 1:35} just an equivalent of Adam who is also a perfect human son of God! Luke 3:38

Therefore whatever we need to learn about God and His purposes is all embedded in Jesus who successfully completed his earthly mission as the CHRIST!

Nachmonides:
Scripture said, and I said Adoni, not Adonis.
Adoni is used to refer to a human figure.
Adonai is used almost, if not, exclusively for God or Yahweh or Jehovah alone.

My friend God hates arrogance when you can see that you're wrong yet trying to argue it simply means you don't want to be helped.

The word Adonia means Lord so whether you write it in capital letter or or small letter it's irrelevant!

LORD, Lord, lord all means the same thing it's the fraudulent translators of KJV that's using it to confuse people like you a title remains a title no matter how you brandish it but a name is unique.

So both Jehovah, Jesus, Abraham, Saul, David, Solomon were all addressed as Lord but it's their names that makes the difference since we know who each of them is.

Nachmonides:
No, Sir.
Yahweh is Jehovah, Adoni is a human figure.

Check your dictionary Adonai and Adonis means the same thing: Lord or Master

Nachmonides:
What has Jehovah called the Jehovah Witness to do according to scriptures?
Let's even look at it.

Isaiah 43:10 says:

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YWHW) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. KJV

The chosen servant teaching others who also became Jehovah's Witnesses is Jesus Christ {Revelations 1:5} that's why he is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} who taught his fellow worshipers how to LOVE their neighbours {Mark 12:31} and members as he loved them! John 13:34-35

That's what the scriptures teaches which you can't find working elsewhere!

Nachmonides:
I'm not loyal to the KJV, I'm loyal to the original text.
Leave the KJV, the original says Yahweh and Adoni.

So is YHWH and Adoni the same?

Nachmonides:
The difference between "Adonai" and "Adoni" is that:

Adonai: This term is used in the Old Testament, predominantly in reference to God, and it can be translated as "My Lord" or "Lord" in the sense of acknowledging God's sovereign authority. It is a title of divine reverence and is often used when referring to God.

Adoni: This word, on the other hand, is used in the Bible to refer to a human "lord" or "master," as in "my lord" or "my master." It refers to a person with authority or rulership but not in the divine sense that "Adonai" does.


Do you see the difference?
Do you know the implications of this word used in Psalms 110:1 and the implications of Jesus quoting it in Matthew 26:44 and in Mark and Luke?

Guy both means the same thing.

LordReed:
Why won't we question his credentials? What if he is a fraud how would we know? I am not sure why you don't want me to question, are you uncertain of their expertise?

Frauds will be known by their failure to yield positive results regarding God's purpose {Matthew 7:16-18} followers of fraudulent religious leaders can never meet up with the requirement of end time religion.

True religion in the end time must gather people throughout the earth and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while the rest in falsehood will be fighting and killing themselves {Revelations 6:3-4} ruining the planet with their weapons! Revelations 11:18

Petalss:
But when you attribute divinity to the wrong person or being, it becomes a deeply significant and problematic matter. Misunderstanding or misrepresenting the nature of God is not just a theological error, but it can lead to fundamental misalignments in one’s spiritual journey, causing confusion and potentially leading people away from the truth.

According to God's word the Messiah's mission is to bring everlasting life to all mankind but this is not just by calling Jesus "Lord! Lord!!" rather it's by grasping what Jesus taught.

As the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} Jesus sent us to search for friends of peace in all our neighbourhood {Luke 10:6} so we can form a global network of peace loving worshipers {Act 1:8} that is what God purposed for obedient mankind! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is the reason why no other religion can lead to salvation because members will fail to maintain peace among themselves in the face of POLITICS and RACISM, they will hate their neighbours, kill their neighbours as well as their fellow worshipers in the same God.

But friends of peace taking orders from Jesus (the Prince of Peace) will conquer Satan who is misleading people into hating and killing their neighbours as well as fellow worshipers.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses successfully achieved this globally because we are calling the right name: JEHOVAH! Joel 2:32

Nachmonides:
Psalms 110:1 is not Adonai but Adoni

There's a difference.

Let's not go to other scriptures first but focus on this one, if we go, we'll digress much.

Yes we'll talk about the others but let's look at what the Psalms 110:1 says.

Do you see that in the Original Hebrew it is Adoni used?

What is the difference between Adonai Adonis?

Look the divine name YHWH was never shared with anyone else except the most high God which means it belongs to only one person but the title Adonai/Adonis means Lord or Master so David said:

YHWH said to my Adonai/Adonis "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Therefore the divine name that KJV replaced with title "LORD" is WRONG as any listener can't distinguish who is who when the reader says
"the Lord said to my Lord"

That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses are unitedly doing what JEHOVAH says without arguing, insulting, abusing or cursing one another because the spirit of Jehovah is WORKING with us!

Nachmonides:
That's a question of the English language.
If I were Hebrew you wouldn't ask me.

Since I speak English, I would ask; is one person speaking to himself or another.

It's not a matter of support, JW's use of Jehovah is not wrong or bad.


What I'm saying is that in the Hebrew there's a distinction;
The distinction between "LORD" (YHWH) and "Lord" (Adoni) in Psalm 110:1

So to help someone who is not Hebrew let's put the original words there:

Psalms 110:1

YWHW said to Adonai "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Check Joel 2:32
For everyone who calls on the name of YWHW will be saved.

Who is the Lord Paul talked about @ 1Corinthians 2:16 that we can't know His mind but we can have the mind of Christ?

Is it YHWH or JESUS?

Nachmonides:
Hebrew (Masoretic Text)

יְהוָה נְאֻם לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד־אָשִׂית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶיךָ
> Transliteration
Yahweh ne'um la'Adoni shev limini ad ashit oyvecha hadom leraglecha
> Literal Translation
"The LORD said to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.'"
Comparison Between KJV and NWT
King James Version (KJV)
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
New World Translation (NWT)
"Jehovah declared to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.'"



+ Divine Name (YHWH):

KJV: Uses "The LORD" (in all caps), the traditional way of representing the Hebrew name Yahweh without pronouncing it.

NWT: Explicitly uses "Jehovah," which is the transliteration of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH).


++ Second "Lord" (Adoni):

Both versions translate Adoni as "my Lord," recognizing it as a title of respect and authority.



+++ Action of Sitting:

Both agree on the command to "sit at My right hand," representing honor, authority, and exaltation.



++++ Enemies as a Footstool:

Both convey the same imagery of God making the enemies of the Lord (Messiah) subordinate, though the NWT phrases it slightly differently ("a stool for your feet" instead of "thy footstool".


The main difference lies in the rendering of the divine name. The NWT prioritizes the use of "Jehovah" to reflect God's personal name, while the KJV follows traditional Jewish reverence by substituting it with "LORD."

The overall meaning remains consistent between both translations, emphasizing God's promise to exalt the Messiah and subdue His enemies.

Do you support the rendering of the divine name as Lord?
If so how do you pronounce the two lords @ Psalm 110:1 differently?

Nachmonides:
That's a bold statement that KJV is not clear, confusing the reader. I'm one who is faithful to the original Greek.
τίς γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν Κυρίου, ὃς συμβιβάσει αὐτόν; ἡμεῖς δὲ νοῦν Χριστοῦ ἔχομεν.
Transliteration
"Tis gar egnō noun Kyriou, hos symbibasei auton? Hēmeis de noun Christou echomen."
Literal Translation: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, who will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ."
KJV is closer to the Greek in terms of a literal word-for-word rendering. It accurately translates Κυρίου as "Lord" and maintains the original structure and flow of the text.
NWT slightly diverges by translating Κυρίου as "Jehovah," which reflects a theological interpretation rather than a strict adherence to the Greek.
If faithfulness to the Greek text is the priority, KJV is the closer match. The NWT introduces a theological nuance that is not explicit in the original Greek.
That's one of the reasons why people love the KJV.
So, your statement could be rephrased as Paul should have used Jehovah and not Lord, confusing his readers.
Don't you think that's a very bold statement to make, do you know the implications of that statement?

Let's figure out something here.

Please read Psalms 110:1 and explain.

Nachmonides:
Thank you for your detailed responses as always.
I have read all that you have written and I must confess, you haven't addressed the issues I presented. Forgive me if I failed to see them if you have. I wrote about how scriptures tells us about the pre-existence, divinity, uniqueness of sonship, and the position he was exalted to that could never have been something beyond his nature; If truly he is God.
These are the thoughts I conveyed in my last text.
Please can you touch on them focusing on them without digression?

All spirit sons of God (angels) has the same nature that's why the scriptures called them God's Sons! Job 38:7

What concerned us is that one of them became human and lived with us on this planet so whatever Paul is saying doesn't nullify the fact that he is one of God's spirit sons who share the same nature with God in heaven.
When God said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness" Genesis 1:26

It simply means we humans share God's glory which was lost after Adam sinned! Romans 3:23

So don't think of Jesus beyond what he stands for he only came to teach us by thoughts , words and actions how we can connect back to the glory we lost in the garden of Eden {John 1:11-12} had it been that Adam didn't fall we wouldn't have any need of Jesus at all because Adam would have been the one teaching us how to keep the glory God gave man on planet earth.
That's why the scriptures compared Jesus to Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

Think of what you're missing because of this idea of over hyping Jesus, six of you on this thread all wanted to speak about the position of Jesus and God even though all of you agreed that Jesus is God yet you're stuck in arguing over his nature.
What is the hazard of this?
Instead of thinking about how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples you guys keep arguing, insulting and abusing one another over his nature.
If that's what Jesus is all about how are you doing the work he gave Christians? Matthew 28:19-20

For your information true Christians are to form a network of believers throughout the earth {Act 1:8} in preparation for the kingdom of Christ by searching for friends of peace {Luke 10:6} and teaching them what the Prince of Peace commanded {Matthew 28:20} that's how we are going to do God's will which is forming a big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} failure to do so means we are just hyping Jesus for unjust course! Matthew 7:21-23

IfyAwazie:
Una go leave topic dey argue.... Ur God is what you want him to be. Mine is just and fair.

Love your comment:
You worship a God who is Just and Fair.

Most people often say the same thing yet during political struggle they hate their neighbours to death.
I could remember a colleague in office who looked at me and said:
Mr ...... I know you voted BAT, are you now enjoying this government?"

I asked him how he got to know about the person i voted and he said:

"Are you not a Yorùbá man?"

I asked him if all Yorùbá voted BAT or even voted at all and he got annoyed at me saying i supposed to vote.

This has caused so much hatred among people claiming their God is just and fair yet i never take side with any politician.
Why do people who claim their God is just and fair often takes sides in politics and racism?

Nachmonides:
Christ's Preexistence and Divinity: John 1:1-3 declares that Jesus (the Word) was with God and was God, affirming His eternal deity, not a position earned. Philippians 2:6-9 shows that His exaltation after His earthly mission was a restoration of glory, not a promotion beyond His nature.

The Bible made it clear that there are many spirit sons of God who serve as princes in heaven {Daniel 10:13} but why are we only concerned about just one out of all these princes? {Isaiah 9:6) it's because he is the only one who surrender his life to live among us {Isaiah 6:8 compare to John 12:41} so we can perceive all the qualities of his father through his presence in our midst.
For instance if we are to talk about Gabriel he is the person who is standing in front of God in heaven {Luke 1:19} the spirit son who first revel against God also has a lofty position in heaven that's why he could drag many angels under him to join him in his rebellious act. So Christians were talking about the man Jesus for us to know how great he was before coming to the earth so we can show appreciation by obeying what he told us in the scriptures all spirit sons of God are Gods in their respective positions {Psalms 82:1; 6} but none of them is Almighty like their father! Psalms 83:18

Nachmonides:
Christ's Unchanging Nature: Hebrews 13:8 states, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." His divine status was never dependent on earthly achievements.

What do you have to say to these?

None of God's spirit sons need to be here in the first place but Jesus love humans from the time of creation {Proverbs 8:31} that's why he volunteered to take up that mission Paul wasn't talking about his divine status at Hebrews 13:8 rather he was referring to his attitude for instance he wrote:
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:16 KJV

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. NWT

Check the two translations KJV is not clear because instead of using God's divine name they used the title Lord thereby confusing the reader. What Paul meant here is nobody has seen God in action before so we can't say much about His thinking but since Christ Jesus has walked with humans we can speak about how he thinks hence we know his thoughts.
Now back to Paul's letter to the Hebrews he is now telling us that Christ's thought remains the same always {Hebrews 13:8} so whoever depends on what Jesus taught is totally safe because Christ will never change his line of judgement!
For clearer understanding that it was after his earthly mission he was exalted read Philippians 2:5-11

Aemmyjah:
I'm sure you've not listened or been listening to the news
Next turn

This is year 2025, i won't waste my precious time with any arrogant person if i discover a person is not humble enough to learn i will quickly discharge myself and waka pass.
We are going in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} not argumentators. Titus 3:9

DaddyCoool:
Nope. "Unverified info of wars going on" is clearly what the Bible meant.
Today either there is a war or there is not! There are no "rumors of wars"!
In biblical times there were rumors of wars because information traveled very slowly and hard to verify. Not so at all today

OK Sir!

DaddyCoool:
Just seeing this. Nonsense. The biblical statement is "rumors of wars" NOT "possibility of wars". "Rumors of wars" means "unverified info of wars going on"! Which won't apply today!

So rumor and possibility aren't related right?

I'm sorry for disturbing you please continue your argument with your kind it's OK!

Nachmonides:
Hebrews 1:4-6 explicitly states: "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." How does this align with the claim that Jesus is "one of them"?

I told you how matters like this can be resolved wisely the best way is to take things bit by bit! John 16:12-13

The spirit son of God whose life was transformed to become a human earned himself a position higher than all his brothers after a successful earthly mission.
That's why God said all creatures must obey him not that he is God rather he got that high position after his achievement.

ALMUSTAQIM:
I mean we should become BETTER than the Good Muslims we are. Thanks.

Is there a way we can identify a better Muslim?

Nachmonides:
Alright, thank you, let's start with this:
If Jesus is the Archangel Michael, how does that align with Hebrews 1:5-6, which explicitly states that Jesus is superior to all angels and is uniquely called the Son of God?

Please whenever you are reading Paul's letter try to have his audience in mind.
The letter you quoted was written to the Christians who are Hebrews by birth, this people use to pray using the names of different angels that's why they have what is called the 6th and 7th book of Moses in which names of angels are written apart from the only two names found in the Bible e.g Michael and Gabriel.
So what Paul meant is that they shouldn't pray to God using the names of angels since God never introduced any to them as His son the way He introduced Jesus {Matthew 17:5} that doesn't mean angels are not God's sons {Job 38:7} neither does it mean Jesus is not one of them!

Nachmonides:
Thank you for your detailed response.


I have some observations and questions I'd like for you to address if you will:



+ "Jesus WAS God but not the Supreme Being":

John 1:1 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." How does this align with the claim that Jesus was not the Supreme Being but only performed as God?

In John 20:28, Thomas explicitly calls Jesus "My Lord and my God," and Jesus does not correct him. If Jesus is not God in the fullest sense, why does He accept this declaration?

Philippians 2:6-7 explains that Jesus, "being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage." How does this passage fit the claim that Jesus cannot claim the title of Supreme Being?


+ "Jesus does not know the hour (Matthew 24:36)" :

This is often cited to argue that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. However, Colossians 2:9 declares, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." How does this square with the assertion that Jesus lacks divine attributes like omniscience?

Is Jesus’ statement about not knowing the hour reflective of His human limitations during His earthly ministry (Philippians 2:7), rather than His divine essence?


+ "Jesus is the Archangel Michael":

Hebrews 1:5-6: "For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? Or again, 'I will be his Father, and he will be my Son'?" How can Jesus be Michael when the writer of Hebrews explicitly states that Jesus is superior to all angels?

Revelation 19:13 describes Jesus as "The Word of God" leading the heavenly armies, but nowhere does it equate Him with Michael. Why is this association made when the text separates Jesus from angelic beings?


+ "Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7-12 link Michael to Jesus" :

Daniel 12:1 refers to Michael as "the great prince who protects your people." While Michael has a specific role, where in Scripture does it explicitly state that Michael is the same as Jesus?

Revelation 12:7-12 describes Michael leading angels in a heavenly battle, but this passage never attributes Michael’s actions to Jesus. Why should these roles be conflated when Revelation consistently identifies Jesus by titles like "The Lamb" or "The Word"?

John 5:28-29 says Jesus will raise the dead, but it never mentions Michael. Why is Michael credited with this role instead of Jesus?


+ First-Century Christian Beliefs About Jesus:

John 10:30: Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." How does this align with the claim that first-century Christians were confused about His identity?

Acts 7:59: Stephen prays to Jesus, saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Would a devout Jew pray to anyone other than God?

This is the reason why Jesus said we will learn by bits not just one day. John 16:12-13

You surely have do many questions and they are all genuinely from your heart but can you do me a favour by asking one by one?
Preferably the one that matters most to you!

Nachmonides:
Alright, I now understand what you mean by the Spirit Son.
What can you say about John 1:1?

Jesus WAS God in the sense that he performed as God during creation and when he walked the earth.
The title GOD has many meanings the only one that Jesus can't claim is SUPREME BEING.
WHY?
As someone who WAS with God in the beginning and given the assignment to create all things surely he did the work of God but according to him he is taking orders from someone else and there are things he doesn't know like when badness will end completely since the order to end badness must come from his superior who has not revealed it to anyone! Matthew 24:36
So if you ask a Christian in the first century whether Jesus is God they will tell you that he never claimed so but he performed great signs that they are confused about who he really is.
Today what we found in the Bible that makes us conclude that he must be the Archangel Michael was written by prophet Daniel:

During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:1-2

According to this prophecy one of the Princes in heaven will stand up for the salvation of God's people and he will become a saviour as many will escape condemnation through what Michael will do he will resurrect those who have died for judgment.
All these things are what Jesus promised to do and to couple it all John said the person who led the angels in heaven to send Satan away from heaven is the same Michael! Revelations 12:7-12
So if Michael is the one who stands for the salvation of obedient mankind and that's exactly what Jesus did we come to the conclusion that Jesus is the same Archangel Michael who controls all the heavenly armies! Revelations 19:13-14

Nachmonides:
.
It says he became flesh, how does a spirit son explanation tally with this? A spirit means, we know it is not flesh, or tangible.

Nachmonides:
Please show me in your bible whether it says spirit son, or what dots you connected to come to the conclusion of a spirit son.

You asked for EXPLANATION which is not word for word rather how we understood what John penned down so you can't see "spirit son" just as you can't find "TRINITY" written anywhere in the Bible.
The idea of SPIRIT SON came as a result of what Jesus himself said about his coming to the earth:

"No man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man" John 3:13

“You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world" John 8:23

In heaven only angels live with God as His sons {Job 38:7} they are spirit beings so if Jesus came from their it simply means his life was transformed into an embro in the womb of the girl Mary therefore he became human as God purposed! Isaiah 9:6

Nachmonides:
Alright, let's do this, you who assert there's no Trinity, let us start with John 1:1-14
What does your Bible say, and what does the original greek say?
Please don't run away from this conversation.

It's simply stated that God had a spirit son who worked with Him in the beginning of creation! Proverbs 8:22-31
It's through this spirit son that everything was made. Colossians 1:15-16
After creation this spirit son humbled himself as the first born of God's children (Creation)
And God loved him so much because he always do things that pleases his father. John 8:29

Now go over John 1:1-14 and try to see if there is anyway to dispute the above explanation.

Nachmonides:
The doctrine of Trinity is clear in the Bible.

It's SOOOOOOOOO CLEAR!
Yet you guys can't reach an agreement on your preconceived thought on Trinity!

And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks!" Revelations 18:2

Since the third century when TRINITY was established she has grown so big and forced many to contribute to her shamelessness but today she has fallen, just see how different members of Trinity are arguing since without coming to an accurate knowledge of their once cherished concept TRINITY! 2Timothy 3:7


Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you people o!

Sirmwill:
Funny
If you we are to do exactly what Jesus did, we are to only talk to people about Christ and his teachings and how it brings the Kingdom of God. Not to later describe the address of a "church" building for them to come so that your numbers can be more

They must love their neighbours as ourselves {Mark 12:31} and have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

In the first century our brothers meet in the homes of their fellow believers but today we build Halls where we meet for that purpose it's not called "CHURCH" but "KINGDOM HALL"

First century Jews called our brothers back then "people belonging to the Way" {Act 9:2} later in Antioch people began calling us "Christians" {Act 11:26} but Jesus foresaw a bad thing Satan will do to the group {Matthew 13:25} and promised that towards the end of times angels will be sent to gather religionists according to their kinds {Matthew 13:40} that will make countless religions to claim they all belong to him {Matthew 7:21-23} but our God will start calling us by another group name once we have been separated from the rest of those to be destroyed! Isaiah 65:15

So today we are known as Jehovah's Witnesses!