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Nachmonides:
It's fine, I disagree though.
The Romans themselves in their literature, have the crux commissa for criminals as the most likely model, even in the Roman Catholic Church writings, they have the T shaped cross depicted of Jesus' Crucifixion. The very Roman church that wrote, translated scriptures into the Latin Vulgate.

Nachmonides:
The picture you posted, are you basing your argument on it? Or you're basing your argument on the word used in the Greek|Latin in the bible? — or are you using it to support the Greek|Latin word used? If it's the picture in that piece of literature, I can bring my own as well and base my argument.

OK that means you prefer the cross while i will prefer the stake since both were used in ancient Rome.

Nachmonides:
Either you're Gnostic or a JW, from what I'm reading. Whichever one, it's better you read the account of the first hand eye witnesses in the Bible.

The eyewitness accounts states that Jesus' friends couldn't recognize him at his resurrection which means he was not with his former body anymore.

Thanks!

Nachmonides:
So many inaccuracies and lies.
Groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that Jesus was crucified on a single upright pole, citing the original meaning of stauros. However, this interpretation conflicts with historical Roman practices and some Biblical descriptions.
The Romans used various methods for crucifixion, including stakes, T-shaped crosses (crux commissa), and traditional crosses (crux immissa).
Archaeological evidence, like the remains of a crucified man found in Jerusalem (Yehohanan), shows that Roman crucifixion often involved nailing victims to cross-shaped structures.
Inscription Above His Head:
Matthew 27:37 states that an inscription was placed "above his head." This suggests a vertical structure with space above Jesus' head for the sign, which aligns with a cross rather than a single stake.
Use of Nails and "Hands Spread Out":
John 20:25 mentions nail marks in Jesus' hands, suggesting that his arms were outstretched.
Luke 23:26 and Matthew 27:32 mention Simon of Cyrene helping Jesus carry the stauros, implying it was heavy and large enough to require assistance.

Thanks for the response!

Jesus was impaled not on a cross but a stake and the nail wounds doesn't mean it's three because those impaled had their hands nailed on top of the other just as their feet so both hands as well as feet will have the prints.

Thank you!

Qasim6:
In short
Na God died on the cross?

First of all there was no CROSS it's just a pole but in Greek "Crux" means stake (pole)

Secondly it was an angel that was transformed into an embro in the womb of a Jewish virgin so the child inherited no sin like other children born through reproductive process.

The angel's brains were miraculously formatted until he grew up to become a man and as he came out of the water after baptism his memory was restored.

It's his perfect human body that's needed as a sacrifice to meet up with Adam's loss that's why he is called the last Adam! 1Corinthians 15:45

At death he returned to none existence only to be raised back as a spirit being (angel) again, his human body taken away as the sacrificial lamb.

But how can his faithful friends know that he is no longer dead if they don't see him?
That's why he has to materialize a body and as he is thinking, acting and speaking like Jesus they realized that he's their friend Jesus with another body. When Thomas one of his faithful friends insisted on seeing him in the former body the angel (resurrection Jesus) materialized into what Thomas need to see of course he couldn't have been going everywhere with holes in his hands.

So a perfect sinless human like Adam has paid for mankind's sins but the angel who carried that body is alive today.

As a Muslim i know you have heard about the ram presented to Abraham for sacrifice.

LoneSoldier:
Don't bother quoting me after this, I don't believe in your God because he is a dick....
Today I have seen that you are a big dullard, don't ever engage me on this topic again....🧏

I just wish to explore perhaps there are some things someone with faith like me is missing but if you're not comfortable chatting with me it's OK.
Do enjoy your day!

LoneSoldier:
God is a dick because of what he orchestrated in heaven, making Lucifer morningstar look like the enemy why he was not, and labelling Lucifer morningstar the inventor of sin, why we all know God was the one who created sin in the first place...

LoneSoldier:
I don't believe in God?

Please can you expatiate on the two comments because i don't understand what you mean:

If you don't believe in God how do you know he/she/it did what you said?

Daejumong:
Would Jesus k•ll people for mocking Him? Why are all atheists not dead? Did Jesus k*ll soldiers that crucified him naked? Did He eliminate those that called Him drunkard and glutton? Why would Jesus(God) tell Pastor Adeboye He would k•ll his mockers?

There are many deceptive Spirits today using Jesus' name to operate {2Corinthians 11:14} that's why many will be shocked in the end that the real Jesus never knew them! Matthew 7:21-23

Real Jesus will judge only when given authority to do so but until then Jesus is busy working with his group in gathering humble and righteous people throughout the earth today! Matthew 13:30

Westerhoffe:
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
— John 6:70 (KJV)

Judas Iscariot was not a human like the Roman Soldiers… he was a devil.

Nooooooooo!

This is not what Jesus meant!

Remember Jesus also called Peter "Satan" {Matthew 16:23} that doesn't mean Peter is Satan nah rather Jesus is saying the thoughts running through Peter's mind at that moment originated from Satan.
The same is applicable to Judas Iscariot who was determined to be rich but met his waterloo in the process. 1Timothy 6:6-10
Judas thought he could use a stone to kill two birds by selling Jesus for money and later apologize after all Jesus has disappeared several times escaping assassins sent by Pharisees to kill him {Luke 4:29-30} so Judas' thought was an intelligent one from the viewpoint of any normal human but intelligence doesn't always translate to wisdom he should have listened attentively when Jesus was talking about his last moments on earth! John 14:19 compare to Matthew 7:24-27

MindHacker9009:
So what did Jesus ask his father to forgive the Roman soldiers for

Roman soldiers that executed Jesus acted on the orders from their superiors who thought Jesus must have been another rebel leader like what we have today called Boko Haram.
During the time Jesus was born a Galilean was parading himself as Christ but after committing a lot of atrocities he was captured by the Roman authorities and executed so all the thugs following him scattered, another rose few years after him with many zealots following him claiming he is the Christ and the same thing happened to him, regarding these two men Jesus later said:

"All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them." John 10:8 compare to Act 5:36-37

So the Roman soldiers treated Jesus (whom they don't know) as another rebel leader since that's the report Pharisees brought against him! Luke 23:2

But as for Judas he knew everything the Christ stands for and was taught by the Christ himself yet he allowed the love of money to rob him off everlasting life! 1Timothy 6:6-10

Jesus' prayer can't work for someone who intentionally disregard what Christ taught due to love of money! Mark 8:36

Kobojunkie:
First, if you examine the original Hebrew below, you will find that the assertion "heavenly bodies" comes, not from the script itself but from insertion by your religious beings whose only desire is to insert their ideas into what is written in Scripture, completely disregarding the author's truth. Second, regarding the Heaven of the God of Israel, Jesus Christ of Israel claimed in Scripture that He alone had come down from His Father's Heaven. Additionally, Jesus Christ of Israel through His Gospel proclaimed that those who would become children of God in His Kingdom were those — humans — who went on to be approved righteous by His Father, the God of Israel. This all indicates that the idea that the reference Sons of God was a reference to aliens/non-humans does not hold to Scripture.

All scriptures weren't written in plain words and its not everyone that has the gift of deep thoughts to solve such riddles which makes it necessary for a few to teach others by inserting meaning to simplify idioms used by the inspired writers:
"And they continued reading aloud from the book, from the Law of the true God, clearly explaining it and putting meaning into it; so they helped the people to understand what was being read" Nehemiah 8:8
If everyone could read and understand inspired writings Jesus won't order his disciples to go out TEACHING others what he commanded {Matthew 28:20} they only need to TELL not TEACH.
Regarding what Jesus said about coming from heaven he was referring to true info about heaven which fallen angels will never disclose to anyone.
And of course no human has been there before so no one could tell us how heaven looks like except Jesus who was sent from there to explain to us. John 8:23

Kobojunkie:
The interpretation that the "sons of God" are fallen angels has its origins in religion —

Who are "morning stars" ?

Job 38:7

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? NWT


while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? NIV‬

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJV

Sons of God are angels that's why God said they will die like sons of men! Psalms 82:6-7

Dtruthspeaker:
You are perfectly right. Wow, I am blown away by your perfect answer. I did not expect this. I humbly apologize for my offensive outburst. Please forgive me. I would try to speak rightly next time

It's OK! James 3:2; 1John 1:8

With a perfect human body he surely do but it's not his purpose for being here unlike other humans Jesus can't live beyond the time given him to accomplish his mission {John 19:30} having a family makes no sense since he have to entrust the care of his mother in the hands of a disciple {John 19:26-27} so the last but not the least quality of God's Holy Spirit comes to play:

SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:23

Uptownerd:
This is like knowing the root cause of a problem but dancing around it. It's like chasing rat when your house is on fire.

A professor is teaching students in his class how to perform excellently with their project but one of the students started mocking the professor asserting that the pro is using an obsolete style of approach before the professor could utter a word other students are beginning to take sides with their classmate.

To prove himself worthy.

What should the professor do?

[1] Call for the expulsion of this critic.

[2] Dismiss the class.

[3] Call the student to prefer a better solution.

[4] Kill the critic.


Which do you think is the best option!

In the beginning God created just a pair each so to preserve them only a pair is needed in the Ark.
All species came from the first pair of all the creatures just as all races from Adam and Eve.

LoneSoldier:
I don't believe in God? But I believe in vawulance.... If a man insults you or make jest of you, unleash it on them 10 fold, Laws of Vawulance..... Learnt it in Oxford tho

Well i believe in making the world a better place for all and i think violence is the worstest option!

Dtruthspeaker:
This is more of a question for you to re examine yourself and your thoughts.

I spoke my mind just as everyone else should do and since it's not imposed on anyone a right thinking person could have just corrected me lovingly if the need be but you throwing insults simply because you felt someone is wrong shows the type of person you are on the inside. Everyone can't stop talking because you are here.

That's just the simple truth!

LoneSoldier:
If he insults you, insult him back.... Naturally he doesn't have sense...?

Matthew 5:39

Dtruthspeaker:
See how mad you jws are from the weeds you smoke in your cult?
In your Madness you say angels are shape shifters?
"They are not to procreate" yet they did? By birthing semigods called giants.
Men, you people are mad.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not seeing that you are Mad!
So they made bodies and put it on themselves like clothes and you do not see that like clothes,it would rimple and they would look weird?
Try put water in your mannequin and wear it to go and have sex with another mannequin and see if it would work.

Must you always insult everyone?

mysticwarrior:
Apart from using clay to assumed a human form to make themselves more human, how were they able to generate sperm into their system that enabled them to procreate? because according to the bible the daughters of men had children with those angels

The bodies they made has all human features with blood running inside so sperm will surely form in bodies the only problem they had is the children born to them because it unnatural mating their children weren't normal they grew faster and don't think normal that's the cause of violence on earth which led to the deluge back then!

Uptownerd:
See the proof.

These information came from far away lands and they are inspired expressions that needs to be explained or taught not just reading but since many have chosen to read and conclude on their personal opinion the whole thing is complicated.

Angels are spirit creatures without a physic so they are shapeless but intelligent beings that's why they can take up any shape they want as spirit creatures.
They are not to procreate like earthly creatures but one of them a rebel wanted to distract them from doing God's work that's the one who introduced sex to them since it's the only thing intelligent creatures on earth enjoy apart from freewill that's why they got carried away viewing humans having sex and for the first time ever they wish they were humans.
Those deceived by the sight abandoned what God gave them to do in heaven (spirit realms) and moved down to earth.
On getting here they used clay to form bodies for themselves since that's what God used to make human bodies, they choose to be masculine since that's the gender that's in control so they formed irresistible bodies that no girl could ignore and since they are more intelligent than mere humans coupled with the fact that they can offer anything the girls want all young and beautiful females fell for them.
That's how sex before marriage was introduced to the human race before then each man must meet his prospective in-laws but since these guys have no human families they used their charm (good looks) to hypnotize the young girls and started sleeping with as many as they could see. Genesis 6:2

During the destruction of their gigantic offsprings through the deluge they dematerialized, dropped off their clay bodies and tried to return home but God didn't allow them back into the fold {1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6} so they became gods everywhere they are on planet earth that is why there are many Gods in different places till today!

Great thread

Insightful!

rightopdeep:
You Mean it ?.

You mean there is no Date that revolves round and starts Revolving over again in the Bible ?

Do you mean there is no Dates or calendar in the Bible ?

Also if I May ask , Doesn't it worth it that one should Celebrates and Jubilates Given Thanks to Almighty God For being Alive for a Period of 365 days even though we weren't Commanded by God.

Finally I don't think New Year Celebration is of The Christians ,I think any Living Soul that finds it deem fit to Express Gratitude unto his Creator can Celebrate.

You even see the Muslim do as well

The truth is coming together to celebrate the beginning or end of a year is pagan tradition each person can thank God in his or her own but setting a date where everyone will agree to do so is pagan tradition Sir!

It's a pagan tradition there is nothing like New Year celebration in God's word but since these churches of Christendom has indoctrinated so many people they thought it has to do with God!

Jesus didn't send us to hunt other religionists with arguments against their beliefs! 1Timothy 6:4

Michael547:
Please explain what Christian soldier is?

Na soldier wey dey bear Samuel or Gideon nah!

Continue deceiving yourself!

Michael547:
Thou shall not kill, does Judgement for killing apply to military men? Answer: Judgement for killing does not apply to those who fought wars and killed for God as revealed in the bible because he ordered and directed those wars.
Anyone who becomes a soldier today cannot escape the Judgement of the God of the bible because his son directs all His worshippers not to take up arms to fight for ceasar. Kindly post your own logical posit based on the bible.

A Bible student!

Glimpsetv:
No, thank you 😭😭😭

OK you're welcome!

Michael547:
Argumentum ad hominem.
Oga kindly post your answer to the topic of the thread. Let's know our point of argument.

One thing keeps them together:

What Jesus said about their lives is irrelevant as long as they are looking for all means to save themselves so they are ready to fight and kill one another if politicians of either their tribe, nation or country differs and order them to go killing and get killed.

So even though they disagree in ideas but with this fighting and killing they all have the same line of thought! Revelations 6:3-4

Gabrielshow24:
Arguing from ignorance/silence😂😂😂😂.
Last ditch attempt.
This is becoming perturbing 🤔.
Two grown men having issues with logical fundamentals🤕!!!
And don't seem to know what "absolute statement mean and its logical implications!!!" 😅

Mr grammatical you try jàre only that you can't represent my God or my Christ so go and worship your god there's no need wasting my precious time with you!