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This is Old News something i learned some 32 years ago.

Thanks to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

phylshan:
Much of What We Call Christianity Has Nothing To Do With Jesus

The word Christ is not a Hebrew word. Yeshua, Whom some call Jesus, was NEVER called Christ in His Earthly lifetime. Please, instead of arguing, criticising, or insulting me, take a break from the spell cast upon you by your pastor and his church and simply fact-check me. Understand your religion and know your faith so you can have accurate beliefs.

Throughout His Life on Earth, Yeshua was recorded as speaking Aramaic Hebrew-Mark 15:34.

And He was called either Rabbi (John 1:38, John 11:8, etc), which is Hebrew for teacher.

The word Christos, which is spelt χριστός in Koine Greek, was used because ALL four Gospels, beginning with the oldest (Mark), were written to a Greek audience more than sixty years after Yeshua, left this world.

Mark was written about 63 years after Yeshua left the Earth. The other Gospels came later, and guess what, their authors are anonymous. Yes. They will not tell you this.

We do not know who wrote these other Gospels apart from Mark. Some also argue about the authorship of Mark. But I believe he wrote it.

Even the present book of Mark, which many Bibles have, is inaccurate. Why? Because the original book of Mark ends in Mark 16:8.

Before you accuse me of being demon-possessed, just research and fact-check me. Don't just follow me or any pastor, priest or church blindly.

Matthew may or may not have been written by Matthew. It was only attributed to Matthew two hundred years after Yeshua left this world. Before you insult me, fact-check me.

The Book of Luke was ascribed to Luke, but nobody knows for sure who wrote it since the original copies do not exist. What we have are various copies, which vary. The book of Luke you find in the King James Version, for example, will differ from the book of Luke used in Orthodox churches.

The Book of John was written after the Books of Mark and Luke. Again, nobody knows who wrote it. Ascribing the book to John is actually a tradition, not a fact. Because of John 21:24–25, it is likely that someone else wrote it.

But the more important thing is that it is not known whether the original John (whose actual name is Yohanan) could speak, read, and write in Greek. It is possible that a miracle gave him that ability.

What is the point of all this? It is to let you know that Yeshua, Whom you call Jesus, was never a Christian. He was a Jew, and even these Gospels record that in John 4:22. Peter, believed to be His successor, was also never a Christian. He self-identified as Jewish in Acts 10:28.

Finally, Paul was never a Christian. He stated boldly that He was a Jew in Acts 22:3. This is long after his Damascus experience.

The word Christian was not used as a name of a religion until it was given as a nickname by local people in Antioch-Acts 11:26. In that context, it was used as either a noun or verb to describe the act of being like Yeshua, who was called Christos in Greek. Being like Yeshua involves believing in what He believed, not what any church believes.

Therefore, when you see anything in Christianity that deviates from Judaism, such as Trinity, Christmas, Easter, purgatory, etc., try to research the origins of those beliefs and practices.

I did not say you should not believe them. I said you should research it. You. Not me, or your pastor, or your church. You!

Yeshua did not change any Jewish Law. He lived and died by them. The actual historical Yeshua did not call Himself God. In fact, He used the term 'My God' frequently-John 20:17.

And finally, for those who think being Jewish is a race, you may want to research the subject.

The Earthly race of Yeshua and His disciples was Hebrew. Their Earthly religion was Judaism.

The words Christ, Christian, Trinity, Christmas, Purgatory, etc did not emanate from Yeshua or His disciples. These words, concepts, and ideas came AFTER He left this world.

Now, you have two choices: Refuse to fact-check me and insult me, or research the above and appreciate the truth.

Reno Omokri

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2Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

Gbogbo Ìwé Mímọ́ ni Ọlọ́run mí sí, ó sì wúlò fún kíkọ́ni, fún bíbáni wí, fún mímú nǹkan tọ́, fún títọ́nisọ́nà nínú òdodo, kí èèyàn Ọlọ́run lè kúnjú ìwọ̀n dáadáa, kó sì lè gbára dì pátápátá fún gbogbo iṣẹ́ rere.

All verses in God's word is BENEFICIAL!

In the beginning the first man Adam composed a poem in appreciation and admiration of the gift God presented to him: the perfect woman EVE!

So it's good for man to compose romantic poems for the love of my life: His WIFE.

Even Muhammad did much more during his life time just that he doesn't have a choice his romantic life was with several women yet Allah said if only a man can perfectly give himself to four women equally but Muhammad slept with much more than four.

Whatever makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES false means John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are both false prophets too!

sonmvayina:
There are spiritual knowledge and moral instructions in it...that is what I take from it..
The letter killeth my brother...

Who is your brother?

I thought Paul is not supposed to be quoted?

sonmvayina:
God is consciousness..not a man or woman.
So all the stories are all allegory..read it and learn the messages they contain and follow the moral instructions provided....

YES God is a character in the story or allegory WRITTEN by Ezra the priest from the tribe of?

sonmvayina:
He was a descendant of seriah, who was a priest...
He also was a priest..

If he is a PRIEST among the Israelites, who initiated priesthood in Israel and who was the first Israelite priest?

sonmvayina:
Seriah...
I never said he wrote the Bible...I said Torah

When you're through with stuff you're taking try to relax as in calm down before responding because it's obvious something is definitely wrong with your brains!

sonmvayina:
That was why I told you it was Ezra who wrote the Bible....Moses is just a character in the story he used.

John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are also guilty if Jehovah's Witnesses are called false prophets for proclaiming the same message they both declared in the first century!

If anyone says Jehovah's Witnesses are false prophets for always proclaiming that God's Kingdom is near then it means John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth should also be false prophets because Jehovah's Witnesses are following their footsteps!

Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, Christ's first century disciples and their modern day counterpart Jehovah's Witnesses never mentioned a specific date rather they're all keeping themselves in a sense of urgency!

The light of the world that everyone is talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

What about Moses? Exodus 7:1

Sand2022:
Since it is tricky to know an anointed of God only through miraculous works, I was wondering if there is any prophet in our time that is known for unfailing Prophecy. Do you know any?

The highlighted shows you're just deceiving yourself all this while claiming you have studied the Bible with holy Spirit.

If anointed of God could only be known through miraculous works why did Jesus say it's not the criterium? Matthew 7:21-23

Why did Jesus say false prophets will perform miracles that may confuse the REAL anointed? Matthew 24:24

Is it possible for a maker of counterfeit money to produce naira notes that will confuse those in charge of printing real money?
Shouldn't the printer of real money know all its features so that he could recognize it anywhere?

Guy you don't know anything better go back to the Kingdom Hall and humbly accept a Bible study from Jehovah's Witnesses, tell them how you've missed your route on the spiritual journey!

In the first century John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth were saying:

"Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" Matthew 3:2; 4:17

A modern day critic of Jesus' disciples said that message delivered by John and Jesus was a sense of urgency but Jehovah's Witnesses doing the same thing today this critic called "false prophets"

In the year 1931 JEHOVAH began calling His Organized worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

The light of the world: Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 5:14-16

The only true Christian organization!

Sence of urgency since 2,000 years ago doesn't mean bearers of such messages are false prophets but their modern day counterpart doing the same thing today are false prophets shey?
Hypocrisy of the highest order!

MindHacker9009:
So check again, did it say in Deuteronomy 18:18 a prophet with many TITLES
I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

Note that before Moses God never assemble people to give them laws so this surely means that the prophet God is promising them will be greater than Moses since the Israelites must be expecting him unlike Moses who came unannounced this one will come to them with great anticipation.
So he can't just be another prophet rather one who is more than a prophet but since he will be sent by the same God he will do the work of a prophet.

Omoawoke:
Nope, no excuse.. Jesus was a moronnn

That was the best comment ever on this forum so please clap for yourself!

sonmvayina:
But that part was one of the red flags that made me research the religion. I found out it was all lies and made up stories...

Just as Genesis to Malachi was all lies and made up stories yet you kept it!

Sand2022:
So you think that fixing a definite date the kingdom will come is the same as having a sense of urgency?

John the baptist had such a FIXED DATE in mind though he never mentioned it that's why he questioned Jesus' credentials when Jesus didn't come to rescue him in prison yet John believed the end of badness is here after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3


Many first century Christians also had such a FIXED DATE in mind when Jesus told Peter saying:

“If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” John 21:22

The rumor went round among first century Jewish disciples of Christ that Jesus will come back to establish God's Kingdom before the death of apostle John! John 21:21-23


They had such a FIXED DATE in mind though they never mentioned it that's why they asked him if God's Kingdom will be given to Israel immediately after Jesus' resurrection! Act 1:6

So if it's a crime to anticipate a FIXED DATE in mind for the end of badness then John the baptist and Jesus' disciples are guilty!

Sand2022:
So you think that fixing a definite date the kingdom will come is the same as having a sense of urgency?

Going by the message John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth delivered that year how did those who believe in their message feel?

Do they hope it will still take a long time before God's Kingdom comes or they were expecting it within that decade?

Remember John thought it's immediate after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus' disciples also thought it will happen after his resurrection! Act 1:6

So the truth remains that the spirit of God that is sending the signals never gave a specific date but imperfect believers were anticipating the end of badness eagerly yet they never mentioned any specific date.

You can post a publication of Watchtower that mentioned a specific date regarding the end of the world apart from anticipation like John the baptist and Jesus' disciples!

To his listeners the mustard seed is tiniest of all seeds!

Try to imagine if Jesus mentioned the tiniest of all earthly seeds when his listeners don't know or seen it before do you think the purpose of that illustration will be met?
Of course he will have to abandon the topic in order to lecture his listeners on the name of the tiniest seed, what fruit it bears and where to find it.
When teaching with the use of illustration wise people don't loose focus of the aim of their teaching, it makes no sense mentioning the name of the most ferocious animal when teaching children who have never seen it all their life just because you want to warn them of the danger of predators.
Of course you will use the wild animal that's common to them!

No wahala.

Whenever you come back to Nairaland your question will be there for you.

Ezra (whom you claimed wrote the Bible) is a descendant of who?

Sonmvayina has ran away as usual but later he will resurface telling people they don't have sense!

Sonmvayina!

Where are you nah?

You said Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses are not real people but stories or ALLEGORY that was WRITTEN by Ezra.

So my question is.

Ezra descended from who?

Where is Sonmvayina?

sonmvayina:
Nah....it a story (allegory). I have said that a thousand times..(why are you not keeping up.
Read the story and learn the messages they contain.

Please Sonmvayina don't run away o!

You said:

sonmvayina:
That was why I told you it was Ezra who wrote the Bible....Moses is just a character in the story he used.

So Ezra descended from who?

sonmvayina:
No...

So if you don't how exactly do you come about parts that has to do with real people like those involved in the WAR and protection of some character called JUDAH?

sonmvayina:
That was why I told you it was Ezra who wrote the Bible....Moses is just a character in the story he used.

So did the Israelites ever descended from the man called Abraham?

sonmvayina:
Then why are you not understanding what it is written if you don't follow what they tell you..
Like You know Isaiah 7:1-16 is about a war and God sign for protecting Judah, but you will still say it is about Jesus....is it not them that hammered that into your head?

One thing i hate about you is HYPOCRISY!

When you are stuck the next thing you often do is running away from discussions.

Do you believe miracles recorded in the Bible?