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Kingsnairaland:
Genesis 35:18
New King James Version
And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name Ben-Oni; but his father called him Benjamin
Ask your self why those your version was putting
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It to show you the translation was not understood by them
You can see the real difference below and above.

achorladey:
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the father) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the father); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the son) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God(God the father and the Holy Spirit) formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the son); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the Holy Spirit) ," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
" You are my witnesses , says the LORD(God the Holy Spirit) , and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed(God the father and God the Son) , neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD(God the Holy Spirit); and beside Me there is no saviour(God the father and God the son)," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
Which way?
NOTE: You believe the Trinity consist of three persons. Don't come back and tell me something else.

achorladey:
This is the New International version. Isn't it? Yes is the answer or you look the other way. If yes is the answer, there is a footnote [a] in Philippians 2:6. Please can you tell us what is written in that footnote.
If you man up to tell us what is written there, Can you now explain why Jesus is not equal with God? Or why you can reach a reasonable conclusion that JWs were correct to have said that Jesus is not equal with God?

achorladey:
You have been told they are not insult but a description of your ways on Nairaland

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Play your victim and Persecution card as usual.



Na your lies and manipulations filled brains dey peddle cry



I didn't send a notice to you that I am looking for a brighter light



Nothing in the Bible says Jehovah's witnesses are God's organized people. Like MightySparrow use to say, it's one of your community delusions to keep you in line as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

achorladey:
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WINDSOW:
Exactly, the same fruit you are displaying. Do not be brainwashed Sir.
That you are adorned in coat plus umbrella and a hanging bag on your shoulder coupled with using the scripture to curry your man-made narratives does not make your company sorry organisation what you think it is.
And also be humble sir to learn.
I know you will still argue with Bible passages as thought in your theocratic school - I careless.

achorladey:
your madness and insanities peddling brains.

WINDSOW:
I have so much against your deceptive magazine reading organisation

WINDSOW:
Do not be clever by half trying to play smart. I will advise you stick to matters that concerns your organisation and leave your mouth off Pentecostal issues. I know your organisation is so perfect that there are no underline issues that bother you - Get off the hook of Pentecostal Sir.

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.
Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

johnw47:
the difference between Christians and so called Jehovah's witnesses is that
Christians are followers of Jesus Christ and false jw's are false prophets


jwfacts..com
Shifting Blame

It is reprehensible that from the moment Rutherford's prediction proved wrong (and continuing to this day) the Governing Body shifted the blame for the false expectation away from themselves and onto the members.

"It was stated in the "Millions" book that we might reasonably expect them to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925." Watch Tower 1926 Jul 1 p.196

"Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not so state." Watch Tower 1926 Aug 1 p.232

"Instead of its being considered a 'probability,' they read into it that it was a 'certainty'." Yearbook 1975 p.146

"Ever since the 1870's, Bible Students had been serving with a date in mind - first 1914, then 1925. Now they realized that they must serve for as long as Jehovah wishes." Watchtower 1993 Nov 1 p.12

"On the basis of what was said there, many hoped that perhaps the remaining ones of the little flock would receive their heavenly reward by 1925. … Though mistaken, they eagerly shared it with others." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.632




Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.
Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

johnw47:
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:


from jwfacts..com
"How much of all this will come to pass in 1926 is not stated. At present we do not find any definite date beyond 1926 indicated in the Scriptures. When the Bible Students found 1914 in the Bible they heralded it far and wide, but the Lord left the curtain down at that date until we had reached it. God set his seal upon 1914, and the work started that year is still going on. We find the date 1925-1926 clearly indicated in the prophetic outline, and the Lord has not lifted the curtain sufficiently for us to see distinctly beyond." Watch Tower 1925 Feb 15 p.58

Increase, then Decrease

After 1918, the Millions teaching became the central focus of the preaching effort, being delivered through a series of public lectures by Rutherford and other brothers. These were advertised in local newspapers, as displayed in the following clippings.

Preaching that the earthly resurrection would commence in 1925 resulted in tremendous growth for the Watchtower Society.

"This resulted in bringing into the sanctuary many more to be members of this remnant consecrated by Jehovah. This was evident from the increasing attendance at the annual celebrations of the Lord's evening meal,
32,661 participating in 1922;
42,000 in 1923;
62,696 in 1924; and
90,434 in 1925. ...
89,278 [in 1926]"
Watchtower 1960 May 1 p.282

The converse occurred after 1925 came and went without incidence. Memorial attendance dropped by three-quarters, from 88,544 in 1927 to just 17,380 in 1928. (Watchtower 1955 p.366; Yearbook 1929 p.55) (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.313) It is estimated that as many as 75% of publishers left the religion and by 1935 memorial attendance was still only 63,146.3 It took until 1940 to once again reach the same number of Watchtower followers as the pre-1925 era.


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.
Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

johnw47:
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.



jwfacts..com
1874 to 1914 were described as the greatest period of trouble in human history, the period of Armageddon itself, with the end of trouble to be in 1914.

"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226 (reprints 1677)

The following quotes during the lead up to 1914 show there could be no doubt as to what Watchtower followers expected. The end of the Last Days in 1914 was to initiate a number of endings and new beginnings.

● 1914 - the end of the preaching work
● 1914 - the end of all religion
● 1914 - the wholesale destruction of all government
● 1914 - the end of the Great Tribulation
● 1914 - the end of Armageddon
● 1914 - Russell and his followers to be raised to heaven
● 1914 - Jesus' Kingdom established as paradise on earth
● 1914 - commencement of the earthly resurrection

The following Watchtower quotes are just a small selection that highlight how they promoted these assertions.



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.

Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, of course you even deny quotes from your own publications,
you are fully entrenched in lying, just like your father the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not say this before and Ianswered you saying "Jesus did all that His Father can be do" whereas no Christian has walked on water or ascended to heaven.
So, don't let your madness rule you making you repeat yourself like a crazy person.

achorladey:
I am not here to give or do a presentation of better performing group.

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
there is no light in false prophets


from jwfacts..com
Rather than accept responsibility for stumbling followers with their false 1925 teachings, Watchtower derogatively describes these ones as chaff.

"Although these tests resulted in a sifting and some blew away like chaff when wheat is winnowed, others remained firm." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.633

Current Watchtower comments about 1925, such as in Proclaimers, attempt to whitewash the failure, or shift the blame to the members. However, on one occasion, Rutherford candidly made the following admission;

“Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, “I made an ass of myself.”” Watchtower 1984 Oct 1 p.24


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Dtruthspeaker:
What Jesus Said was very clear and we understood what He meant hence no dispute. But you clearly do not hence why you have said His Words wrongfully and I have argued with you and you cannot counter because there is no valid argument against the Truth.
So go learn what Jesus meant if you like!

achorladey:
You want me to start merry go round with your madness and insanities filled group thinking peddling brains.
Your post failed the first hurdle by asserting that your group as being the light of the world. Their history from the past to the present shows a lot delusion and darkness. Jesus didn't go about marketing a religious group as light of the world.

achorladey:
A better performing performance group in lies and false prophecies providing so called light that they say are getting brighter but always reverting to darkness .

Dtruthspeaker:
Christians are not the same one as Jesus.

achorladey:
A lot of darkness from the past up to their present state

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point!
We are not talking about how Jesus operates or why He was CHOSEN.
So clearly by your words " if all Christians are walking on water we won't know the..."
you admit and confess that Christians are not the same and one as Jesus.
So bottonline, your counter saying "Well God, Jesus and Christians are One too! John 17:22" is not valid.

achorladey:
Rather showing the bad publicity of your religious organization using their own religious publications

Dtruthspeaker:
Good counter.
But, No Christian could walk on water or ascend to heaven. Wheras, Jesus did and can do everything His Father does So answer

Harddiskng:
“I know you not, depart from me; you worker of iniquity”

WINDSOW:
What moral justification does JW has to be morally upright?

WINDSOW:
You hide under disguise of portraying yourselves like the early Pharisees but in the closet are worst than Pentecostal.
Bunch of irritable!tating hypocrites that fails to remove the log from their eyes.

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ
what a fearful twisting false jw you are, aren't you
false jw's named many specific years for prophecy's such as armageddon etc. to happen
they all of course failed, so they named other specific years when more prophecies will happen
they too all failed of course
you have seen them on other threads, but are such a denier of truth, aren't you
why don't you ask me to prove what i say and post some of them here
i'll be happy to

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
@ purple, just another hypercritical false jw

Kingsnairaland:
The hell I actually mean is lake of fire
Study it in your Bible

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.



jwfacts..com
Prior to forming the Watchtower, Russell wrote that 1914 would see the end of all governments.

“… the seven times will end in A.D. 1914; when Jerusalem shall be delivered forever, and the Jew say of the Deliverer, “Lo, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will save us.” When Gentile Governments shall have been dashed to pieces; when God shall have poured out of his fury upon the nation, and they acknowledge him, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.” Bible Examiner C. T. Russell Oct 1876

Russell originally was a follower of the teachings of Barbour, and together they co-authored works such as the 1877 book Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World. After splitting from Barbour in June 1879, Russell began publishing the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence in July 1879. This became distinctly his own religion with the incorporation of the organization "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" shortly thereafter. Russell continued to publish many of the prophetic interpretations he had received from Barbour, as can be seen in what follows when comparing Three Worlds and Watchtower quotes.


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
the difference between Christians and so called Jehovah's witnesses is that
Christians are followers of Jesus Christ and false jw's are false prophets


jwfacts..com
Basis of 1925 Doctrine

What was the basis for claiming the Scriptures so definitely proved the earthly resurrection would begin in 1925?

"Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of the year 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"Seventy times 50 are 3,500. The whole period would therefore have been 3,500 years from the time the Jews entered Canaan until all the types would have been fulfilled. As they entered Canaan 1,575 years before Christ there would be 1,925 years of types after Christ, or 1925 A. D." The Way to Paradise p.223

It is a sad indictment on human gullibility that Watchtower followers can accept such flimsy evidence as unquestionable proof.

Early 1925, Rutherford started back peddling on such certainties.



Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Chrtist

cannot stop lying false jw, your org. has given many false prophecies saying; armageddon etc. etc. etc. will happen in a specific year,
and when it doesn't eventuate they sometimes twist what they said misleading their gullible goats, and make another false prophecy
for you to swallow

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!