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MightySparrow:
Okay nah.
You don't resemble Paul and Jesus but take after Peter.

MightySparrow:
So celibacy will not help your kingdom work or you are dodging responsibility?

honesttalk21:
In addition perhaps the core of the problem is a feeling of exclusivity of prophethood to Israel.
Do you ignore the non Israelite prophets?
1. Balaam, in the Book of Numbers 22-24 was a prophet from Mesopotamia
2.Cyrus the Great, who is referred to as my anointed in the Book of Isaiah 44:28; Isaiah 45:1-3. He was not an Israelite but is chosen by God to fulfill divine purposes, specifically to allow the Israelites to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple after the Babylonian exile
3. Other person's such as Job and his friends Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar are also considered as prophets in the Talmud.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps you consider the meaning of Ishmael which is God hears

CanadaOrBust:
All this na wash. A Bible scholar is one who devotes himself to study of the Bible as a vocation

AntiChristian:
People have worshipped other Gods in the old testament and what happened to them?

In the Old Testament, people who didn't follow God suffered one or more of the following fate:
1- God will cause them to be murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.
2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.
3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.
4- Cannibalism! (Deuteronomy 28:53)
5- God will send diseases to the people!
6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

God is interested in human affairs but that would not make Him become a man and enter into His creation!
Even if you claim you are a Christian then i should ask you why God allowed about 70% of the world population to be Non-Christians?

CanadaOrBust:
It's an open, unrestricted, anonymous forum

CanadaOrBust:
Someone went to school for it, spends most of their time on it, and makes their living from it.

CanadaOrBust:
What's all this will this and will that. Seems you have forgotten what the discussion is about.
You wrote : "the understanding of Bible scholars many centuries ago shouldn't determine what we believe today because we have now discovered they are wrong with most of their conclusions!"

I simply pointed out to you that it is most scholars of TODAY who say the Bible says the universe was created 6000 years ago, and I gave you some of their names

honesttalk21:
Is this for the sake of response? I have convincingly shown you the one true God is different from gods or idols wrongly followed. There's no multiplicity of the true God.
God being with Ishmael is unlike Cain’s situation, where God’s intervention is protective against violence from others. In the case of Ishmael God provides guidance and support for and in his development into an archer. This indicates a different type of divine involvement—one that fosters growth rather than protection from harm.
Note too that note that Jethro (also known as Reuel), Moses’ father-in-law, was a priest of Midian a group closely associated with both Edomites and those living near Paran (where Ishmael and Hagai were). Jethro’s acknowledgment and worship of Yahweh are evident when he offers sacrifices to Him (Exodus 18:10-12). This illustrates how individuals outside Israel could recognize and honor Yahweh based on His actions and character.

MightySparrow:
Are you a Monk also living after Jesus and Paul?

MightySparrow:
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See old man's thinking. Which one came first?
Is it not the sayings of Paul and Jesus that your organization and Catholics interpreted to get yourselves monks?

MaxInDHouse:
1914!
The year Jesus was enthroned in heaven!

MightySparrow:
Your definitions are different but the same working. It is just a matter of Community Truth. JWs' monks and Catholic monks.
It is like using a cutlass to fell a tree or axe for the same purpose. It doesn't make any difference!

honesttalk21:
It clearly shows there is a true God and many wrongly follow their false conception of who or what God is. As a result they inevitably follow gods (idols) their thinking misleads them to.
It clearly shows God is aware of the error and misled state of many.

honesttalk21:
What does it mean for God to be with someone according to the scripture?

Petalss:
I assure you that I am being honest and not trying to hold anyone back. If you had provided clear explanations regarding the verse I referenced, I wouldn’t have needed to ask for clarification again.

Additionally, the other person addressed you multiple times, yet I still couldn't find any clear reasoning behind why Jesus stated that He did not know certain things. The only insight I could find was your assertion that "Jesus knows all things."

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

CanadaOrBust:
But these are biblical scholars of today NOT in the past. Here are some prominent scholars who advocate for a universe created around 6,000 years ago:
ames Ussher,
John Lightfoot,
Henry Morris
Duane Gish
Ray Comfort
And many others

epfa:
I tried to talk to Robert Ciranko but when I called him he told me to call someone else...

Robert Ciranko WTBTS President says he's not the one to ask about the recent JW Ireland companies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d078AZga4

honesttalk21:
Interesting verse you put up in your response. Do you actually understand it?

Micah 4:5 reads that For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

Don't you see the verse contrasts two groups? 1. Those who follow their own gods and
2. Those who commit to following Yahweh, the God of Israel.

The first part of the verse acknowledges that people will walk every one in the name of it's god reflecting the reality that different nations and cultures have their own deities and religious practices. It recognizes human inclination towards various forms of worship, often leading to idolatry.

Then Micah declares on behalf of his people, we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever signifying a strong commitment to worshiping Yahweh exclusively. The phrase “for ever and ever” emphasizes an enduring loyalty that transcends time, indicating that this devotion is not temporary but rather eternal.

The verse serves as a rebuke against idolatry by highlighting that while other nations may persist in their false worship, God’s people are called to remain steadfast in their faithfulness to Him. Clearly differentiating between those who worship a false god or gods from those who worship the true God. Troubling what you try to spin.


Surviving refers to merely getting by or making it through difficult situations, being great suggests excelling and achieving remarkable success in various aspects of life.

Don't you see that the covenant through Isaac is seen as specific to the Israelites and their law, while the covenant through Ishmael is considered broader, leading to the universal message of Islam?

CanadaOrBust:
Almost all biblical scholars conclude that the Bible says the universe was created about 6000 years.

CanadaOrBust:
Not a single major tech guy is religious and many are agnostic or atheist

MightySparrow:
Okay, your organization agrees with Catholic on celibacy because both of you hold the Bible.

honesttalk21:
With all you've written does your thinking make you any different from a polytheist? There is only one God. Arrogance of mankind leads to claiming difference. Isn't there a big difference between a surviving nation and a great nation?

MightySparrow:
Catholicism were about two millennia before both Russell and Rutherford. Do you say that Catholic copied your organization?

MightySparrow:
So your organization copy Catholic's celibacy.
That's interesting.
The Catholic priests are enjoying nah?! This guy to be get a bicycle, Kai.

honesttalk21:
If there are many Gods, how many worlds were created? Interesting that these Gods have a common first man created in Adam.

honesttalk21:
Selective reading due to?
You slipped Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

like all other people He will make sure this man's descendants survive due to His love for Abraham.

honesttalk21:
By this submission of yours there are different gods because a singular God created and sustains all things. If God allowed Hagai bare a child for Abraham does this translate to her, her child and all his descendants are cut off from God in this world and the hereafter?
Is the God of Israel different from the one in America, China and Nigeria?

honesttalk21:
@Maxindhouse
Do you mean toddlers that died at infancy were protecting the prophet pbuh?

Or the one the one wrongly and unjustly attacked for being the prophet's daughter and Muslim or those 2 who died due to illness in one of these cases when her father was away at battle?

AntiChristian:
His sons and daughters died!
He was afflicted!
He suffered greatly!
Is that not enough?
Grandpa dey look for excuse!

CanadaOrBust:
We're not talking about you personally. We're talking of your type of mindset. The point is that the mindset that is stuck on the Bible and never changes has never invented anything. Everything you enjoy as modern amenities including this internet, comes from the trial and error mindset. What a silly question to ask. Their modifications and trial and error have yielded everything you ungratefully enjoy. Nothing you enjoy was invented by people with a fixed, unchanging mindset constrained and limited to the Bible.

CanadaOrBust:
But the one you quoted is to be taken literally bah? You pick and choose what to take literally! How about the very age of the earth/universe itself. You really believe the universe is 6,000 years old??
It can easily be demonstrated that the light entering your eyes from stars take millions of years to get here.
Then there are these:
"The pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them He has set the world” (1 Samuel 2:8, ESV).
Psalm 75:3 quotes God saying, “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm." 
"I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth"
What about the Bible’s references to the “ends of the earth” in Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; Proverbs 30:4.
You can't pick and choose what to take literally.

But there are biblical things that can actually only be taken one way. Example, Herod never had babies slaughtered, and no census was done during his reign. The only census around that time was done by his replacement after Herod died. Those are historical FACTS.. Also, the Roman’s didn’t require people to travel to take part in a census. That'd defeat purpose of census.
Then there is the zombie apocalypse which no one else observed.
Also, independent creation of species which DNA and fossils can easily prove false. With DNA, we can easily trace how all life is related and descended.
Them there is the ridiculousness of Noah's arc - how can all animals and their food of 40 days fit in an arc? How did vegetation survive that herbivores would eat after release? What kept the predators from eating up all the prey once released? If not, how did the carnivores survive? Etc.

AntiChristian:
I didn't say they were sisters or gay partners before! Even if we say they were brothers who knew themselves well!
Your JW brother will never write anything bad about you!
So it's the same thing!