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daviddext:
Jesus prayed let this cup pass me by…that was his prayer, the prayer of God’s Only Begotten Son yet it is the will of the Father that was done. Let’s not bring up new topic please. There is a time when all will be fulfilled. That time will come.

Edit: like I said, God answer prayer by uniting the church then human nature brings in division, then God works again. We Humans beings are hard people to lead because of our free will and nature. God answered the prayer. But there comes that point when all things will become perfect, when Christ will reign as King on earth. That is another topic.

Is it God's will that His worshipers should be contradicting themselves in teachings?

Please how do we distinguish between false religions and true religion if contradictions is a norm everywhere? 1Corinthians 14:33

Deepspirituals:
Who is a Christian, Jehovah witness?

Who are those practicing what the man called CHRIST commanded today?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are just Lying and therefore, i hope you do not consider yourself. a Christian not to talk of whether you are a real Christian for you are not as your present lie has proven.

And therefore, back to the issue, it is clear you do not have any reasonable counter to give to the issue which is why you decided to lie and change the argument.

But no wahala, since you are not a Christian therefore you are free to Lie and die in the eternal flames that quench not

As usual!

daviddext:
If we remember what happened to human beings in the Tower of Babel, how they became divided, we will understand that it is human nature to be divided from that time henceforth.

Even Jesus Christ himself prayed that his church will be united “that they may be one”. He knew this part of human existence is real. Just when we think there is unity then comes the little spark of division and then unity again. God constantly plants and uproots. God has been working for thousands of years. He never sleeps or tire.

It is not a matter of Christianity not meaning same line but a matter of people deciding to do their own bidding. We see this all through records of God’s dealing with the Israelites, the legitimate grandchildren and descendants of Abraham.

Going by the highlighted, did you think God rejected the prayer of His only begotten Son?

daviddext:
One can only do one’s best and leave the rest for God.

Christianity means the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} not people with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet claiming they belong to the same God! 1Corinthians 14:33

Do you think different religions arguing about tithing all these years belong to the same God?

Dtruthspeaker:
"They shall suffer many many things" already tells you that they were chosen to for a mission like Joshua's 12 were chosen for awhile mission.

And theirfamilies mission included in prisononment and death just like He and the prophets had in their own missions.

So ofcourse their is no self defence when your mission is to be carried out into the pain of death.

So i'm talking about real CHRISTIANS following their footsteps.

Thank you!

daviddext:
The word of God does give us authority to correct one another in love thus by correcting, the false believe they have becomes abolished through the power of the Holy Spirit working in their heart.

If a teacher err and he stands to be corrected in love just as Apostle Peter accepted Apostle Paul’s correction, it does not make such teacher a false teacher. Like I have written in the article, humans are not 100% correct. This is why God was able to use Apostle Paul to correct Apostle Peter. While you may agree with all or some part of what I have written, let us be careful not to call a true servant of God whom God called to ministry false.

Corrections and changes can be done so the children of God walk in the path of truth. I do not condemn raising of fund in church to do God’s work. The concern is that the tithe collection is not the way it was done in the past even in Apostle Paul’s time for certain reasons. One of the reasons certainly is that it was designated for running of Jewish synagogues and gentiles were not obligated to tithe. Letter to the Hebrew church (Jewish church) mentioned tithe to emphasis that their messiah was indeed a Jew (of Judah) and beyond.

Now that the topic of tithe is introduced to the gentile church in this last days, it is evidently helping to divide the unified faith in Christ. They are still Jesus’ sheep and must be corrected in love. This is why corrections must be made so God himself would abolish it.

For example, there was a time in the Roman Catholic Church history when certain reverends collected money from penitent member that their sins might be forgiven. Such belief was abolished when God raised a man to protest about it stating the Bible says forgiveness and salvation is by faith alone and not by money we give. Though he was cast out of the church, God still worked in their hearts with the truth thus abolishing such error.

History does repeat itself. God bless you for reading.

Talking about CORRECTION!

You can only correct those having the same line of thought as you do but when talking about religionists who feels they are doing the right thing then you are only looking for trouble because tithe payers and receivers will start CURSING you claiming you're going against what is written in the Bible book of Malachi 3:8-12

This is what Jesus said:

Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness. “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. Revelation 22:11-12

So Jesus gave no one the authority to abolish any form of falsehood rather what we are taught to do is concentrate on the SHEEP who are within the congregation of God but as for those who love deceit they will never ever accept correction! 2Timothy 3:13

Dtruthspeaker:
You are right so far but you missed the killing that arises out of "self defense" which is lawful as you see that the God did not complain nor condemn Isreal when they killed in self defence.

Also, killing in defence of a vulnerabie person. is lawful which is why God did not complain about Moses killing of the Egyptian.

Why didn't Jesus teach his disciples about killing in self-defense but taught them to allow themselves to be killed?

There is no ghost but fallen angels!

There are many religions and each has their teachings and doctrine so why must all turn to a first century Jewish man called Jesus of Nazareth?

Deepspirituals:
Thou Shall Not Kill,Does Judgement for Killing Applies to Military Men.

YES!
According to God's word the life of each creature is precious to God that's why God never approved killing from the onset but along the way it becomes necessary for humans to eat fleshy creatures so God gave a rule on how animals should be killed to show respect for giver of life. Genesis 9:4-5; Leviticus 17:11-14
When God established a nation He didn't use a military force to do so the Israelites got their freedom from Egypt without lifting up a finger to fight God did all the fighting after much pleading with the Egyptian King who felt there is no such God who can order him around while God kept giving him a breathing space as if hardening his heart! Exodus 8:15, 32

So from the onset there was no room for a military it was Satan who initiated military to make humans feel they are strong enough to dominate their fellow humans!

Gabrielshow24:
You didn't do justice here.
He(God) didn't call Moses God, He(God) made him(Moses) like God unto his brother(Aaron)
The way you presented it warranted his demeaning reply

The same thing God did to Jesus of Nazareth!

The real reason why tithe is wrong is because Jesus didn't teach, collect or pay tithe and that is the beginning of a new covenant.
The Mosaic laws was to lead Israelites until the arrival of Christ {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so after the Christ there is no law binding on those living by faith except what Jesus taught them.
Did Jesus taught his disciples to sleep with their mothers?
NO!
Did he pay or teach his disciples to pay tithe?
NO!

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healthkknatural:
Teach How Christian organization " JEHOVAH'S WITHNESSES" Stands As the True Worship that Almighty God Accepts .
I'm not interested in Being Biased, I just Seek Truth
Thanks Bro.

The title GOD means SUPREME BEING/RULER.

So any religion whose God failed to maintain peace and order among worshipers is false that's why the God of Israel promised that in the last days the sign He will give the whole world is PEACE among His own worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

This God claimed He is the Creator of heaven and earth, how He did many wonderful things in the past but all that is story because other Gods also have their history of great wonders so the only way to know the true God is by saying something and actualizing it on a global scale.

While all other Gods have faded away leaving those trusting in them to face uncertainty the Bible God keep His own worshipers informed telling us what to expect in the world and how to be sure that He is always working with us.

Today the one and only organization that has successfully erased weapons in the hearts of their members is Jehovah's Witnesses as they keep on studying what Jesus the first century Jewish man who claimed he is the Son of the true God taught in the Bible!

Whatever anyone say about God doesn't change the fact that God means supreme being who should maintain peace and order in the gathering of worshipers!

ocnovakmichael:
Ok, if you say so.
Thanks

You're welcome anytime Sir!

ocnovakmichael:
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. I just got through telling you that Catholics believe in Christ but are wrong in some doctrines. That should put your concerns to rest.
Don't throw away the child with the bathing water. For as much as Catholics have doctrinal issues, that doesn't mean they don't believe in Christ.
The import of my dialogue with you is not to argue who is right, but to expound the word of God using instances to edify others.
So don't try to come across as knowledgeable, but come across to help other Christians with your knowledge. I see no point in that.

Well there are many religions claiming they're Christians simply because they worship in the name of Jesus but they don't know God's will which they must do that is why Jesus said people practicing such religion will not enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 7:21-23

So if you say a religion believe in Jesus but the members don't know the teachings of Jesus then in what sense can they believe in what they don't know? Romans 10:2-3

For your information no local religions haven't heard of that name Jesus and as long as many keep shouting that name as if it will bring them good luck millions are looking for ways to get connected to that name that's why many religions are claiming they believe in Jesus whereas they know almost nothing about Jesus of Nazareth.

I'm not here to argue with you either my concern is how much you are worried about your friends and families born into the Catholic Church. If the Catholics Church belongs to Christ how do you think Jesus will leave billions of people without directing those taking the lead to the stream of living water {John 4:10} so that the whole vatican is left in spiritual darkness while you here on Nairaland will be the one to guide members of a religion having billions of members?

Well the truth is that the Catholic Church is not for Christ and if you care to know why i will use the scriptures to enlighten you.

Good morning!

ocnovakmichael:
I'm not talking about religions. I'm talking about the church of Christ. The Bible says, no man can say Jesus is Lord save by the Spirit of God.

What God's word is saying here is for believers who believes "Jesus is Lord" in their hearts not those saying it publicly like the demons are hypocritically doing! Luke 4:41

‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:8-9

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness! Matthew 7:21-23

“Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?" Luke 6:46


So don't be deceived my friend God's word in what you quoted is referring to those who are saying "Jesus is Lord" in their hearts because they will always obey whatever he says but as for many they're just mimicking what others say they don't sanctify the Christ as Lord in their hearts!

Good morning!

ocnovakmichael:
Christ is the head over all things to the church, even Catholic churches. The Catholic church though might be wrong in many doctrines, yet will not sink because Jesus is still on the throne as the head over all church, irrespective of denomination.

What would happen is that God would raise pocket cell members in the Catholic church to steer the minds of many to the word of God. In the years to come, you will see doctrinal reforms in the Catholic church as the younger generation would be steered by the Spirit of God and this will cause a ripple effect in the church at large, beginning from Africa.

Before your generation will pass away, you will see this come to pass.

Please read what Jesus said about false religion created by Satan in the name of Jesus @ Matthew 13:24-30

He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’  He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse. Matthew 13:24-30

According to Jesus it's Satan who is behind the numerous religions claiming Christians today real disciples of Christ have the same line of thought and teaching {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} so don't think countless religions contradicting themselves in doctrines and teachings are all disciples of Christ Jesus that's Satan's plan to blur the senses of unsuspecting individuals! 2Corinthians 4:4

Jesus' disciples have a work assigned to them and they are doing just that from the first century till today!

healthkknatural:
Objective Answers Oooooo.

I hope you are truly, honestly and sincerely ready for this but since you insist on knowing i will tell you and please feel free to ask whatever question comes to your mind in line with the answer i will give you.


There is just one way acceptable to God and it's Christianity but ironically Christianity is not what most people think because the one and only Christian organization is hated globally by other religionists.


The only Christian organization is known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.


Now feel free to ask me whatever questions and try not to be biased by following what the enemies of pure worship are going to say!

ocnovakmichael:
The question shouldn't be "what's the role of the Pope and the Vatican?" rather the question should be what are Catholic members doing about it? The Holy Spirit is the greatest teacher, but many Catholics have refused to open the Bible and read for themselves.
Until you open the Bible and read, the Spirit cannot do much to help you!

If you know so much about the incompetence of your church then why remain a Catholic?

Jesus told his disciples:

“Keep your eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matthew 16:6
Well this means his disciples should watch out, not for the leaven of bread, but the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

So if the Catholic Church is teaching heresy and you remain there don't you think you are trying to mend a sinking ship?

Ken4Christ:
You condemn tithe because the New Testament didn't give explicit instructions about it. Are you obeying the instructions our Lord Jesus gave concerning giving?

He said that you should sell all you have and give alms to the poor- Luke 12:33. This is giving 100%. Are you obeying this instruction?

YES!

ocnovakmichael:
Here is my answer:
Catholics are good and sincere, and want to serve God, but there's no teacher to teach them the word. They're like sheep without shepherd. I know this because I'm a Catholic.

What is the role of Pope and the Vatican?

ocnovakmichael:
The Catholic congregation, bless their hearts, wants to serve God in their very core of heart but are wrong in their heads in some doctrines.

Is it the followers that should be blamed or those teaching them?

Stilloracle:
How can we vouch for who is right?
How? What is the empirical prove?

Simple!
Here are few questions to help you:

•What is the definition of the word "GOD"?

•What should a real God accomplish in the gathering of his/her/its worshipers?

•What has your God said about the earth we are all living?

•What has your God been able to fulfill in the things he/she/it promised?

•How are worshipers of your God participating in the fulfillment of the promises of your God?

Your sincere answers to these questions will help you know who is right and who is wrong!

Music is entertainment that's why singers are making money out of it there is no Christian music as long as the artist is making money out of it because his target is fans not Christ.

Your favorite Tope Alabi is a Marlian meaning all of them are into money making venture not evangelism as most of you people think!

ocnovakmichael:
Thanks brother, you're not far from the truth. I know the truth because the Holy Spirit is my teacher. However, because I know the truth that's the reason I'm sharing with my fellow Catholics.

If Holy Spirit teaches you then who is teaching the Catholic Church?

Ken4Christ:
If he'll is a fairy tale, then Jesus lied. But it is not a fairy tale. Jesus used different language to communicate it's existence but you turn blind eyes to them.
Jesus spoke about the gates of hell. Do graves have gates?
Jesus spoke about the keys of hell and death. Do graves have keys
Jesus said those in hell will weep and gnashed their teeth day and night. Do those in graves weep and gnashed their teeth.

You keep on seeking ways to dodge the truth as if Hellfire is the topic of discussion here but i will respond to expose your insensitivity.
God's word says:


Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the mountains shout joyfully together. Psalms 98:8

Do rivers have hands to clap?
Do mountains have mouth to shout?

Learn from God's word!

Ken4Christ:
Your problem is pride. Too proud to admit that you are wrong. And it will be your destruction.

Face the reality tithing was, is and will never be part of true Christianity!

EsotericTemple:
Can You Trust Jehovah’s Witnesses? The Truth Revealed

https://blackheartbrotherhood.family.blog/2024/10/20/can-you-trust-jehovahs-witnesses-the-truth-revealed/

NO!
It's unscriptural to put your trust in humans {Psalms 146:3} your trust should be in the truth found I'm God's word. John 17:17

In the first century Jewish disciples of Jesus were performing miracles and wonderful signs this made Judaists in Thessalonica to trust them without further investigation but Judaists in Beroea proved wiser because:

..they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Act 17:11

So don't trust any group, thoroughly watch out for what they are TEACHING and carefully examine if it's happening as God's word foretold.

ocnovakmichael:
These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.

If you're convinced that the doctrines of your religion negates God's word then why continue with such a religion?

Jesus said:

"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Had it been someone else is saying this you will say such a person is demeaning your faith but ọmọ it's you as in your own very self so why delay if you know your religion church is teaching heresy?

Well your parents have played their part that's why you found yourself in a religion claiming Christian because they (your parents) decided to stop worshiping what they realized is false God but if you after knowing this stick to what they discovered then you are practicing what your parents abandoned: IDOLATRY!

paxonel:
My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

100% truth!