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Emusan:
Oponu....
You're the one who claimed Watchtower are true followers of Jesus Christ because they NEVER picked ANY SPECIFIC DATE
The same you claiming today now that 1914 which is a SPECIFIC DATE WAS from the same WATCHTOWER...
shameless lying liar

Sorry if it's paining you but i'm no more in that quagmire with you so continue looking for your type with whom you will exchange insults!

Boomark:
You are Christian and you are boldly saying that the name you are bearing is cursed and bastardised? You boldly say online that the name which God gave is cursed? To utter such a thing against the name "Christian ' is an insult against God who gave it.
If you have any beef with people who call themselves Christians, just mention the name of their churches and say whatever they did.
You people have a very big problem. You are practicing an error and you are still claiming rights.

At least you can see for yourself now that you were MISLED.

Next time try to investigate matters thoroughly before jumping to conclusion.

I never said i am not a Christian neither did i say Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians rather what i'm saying and will continue to say is that the group name CHRISTIANS has been BASTARDIZED and CURSED due to politicians claiming Christians so that name doesn't merit it's original purpose as Jesus said his disciples will become the light of the world to be noticed globally.
Today his true disciples are maintaining that legacy but unfortunately billions bearing that group name have defamed it with their falsehood and deeds.
So who are the true Christians today as in those PRACTICING what Jesus taught?

If you're interested in that let me know so we can both continue our discussion but on this note i'm done!

Emusan:
So Watchtower actually have a SPECIFIC DATE
Which means they are not true followers of Christ

You just like deceiving yourself.

Which DATE did Jesus began ruling in heaven?
Which DATE was Jesus born?

God's Holy Spirit only reveals the time Jesus was born and the time he will start ruling (no date) but as for the end of all badness that's what Jesus said he doesn't know.
If he doesn't know when he will start ruling in heaven he wouldn't have told his disciples what will happen when he becomes king in heaven nah!

Emusan:
The fact is according to the English dictionary, the term FIRSTBORN never has anything to do with CREATE....As this has been established.

So, what is the meaning of FIRSTBORN as used in the scripture for Jesus.

The only part that goes with the dictionary meaning you provided is at that @color part which means the writer of that verse never has Jesus as being CREATED in mind but of something else which will actually mean the @color part

Glad your dictionary meaning shield more light on this.

The rest is Story my guy.

English dictionary has told us what Firstborn is all about it has to do with children and part of them so if there are creatures the FIRSTBORN of creation is one of those created!

Now is the time for them to start crying!

When i told them to calmly meditate on my posts they won't instead they will be jumping up and down following me as if i owe them!

Aemmyjah:
Let the light shine!

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

27 of August shey?

No wahala!

Emusan:
Can you imagine the shameless lying liar!

You claimed YOU HAVE LEFT the name.

So, what does it mean to LEAVE SOMETHING?

He is now silent on ABANDONED

Quote where i said:

"God's organization has LEFT the group name CHRISTIANS"

Emusan:
The same Watchtower that never give a SPECIFIC DATE according to you suddenly uphold the SPECIFIC DATE 1914

When the belly is full of lies at the opening of the mouth only lies will be coming out.

Just as God's organization claimed that Christ was born in the first century but the Jews are still kicking against it till today!

Emusan:
Good!
Do you notice the @color part?

If this is what you prefer:

Most excellent; most distinguished or most exalted.

This means there are many that are:

Excellent
Distinguished
Exalted

So AMONG them one is the MOST.

Meaning the firstborn according to the English dictionary is part of the children or those being born!

Emusan:
You can't answer

Good!

@ Bookmark

Here you go!

Emusan knew very well that i never said JWs aren't Christians himself and his cohorts were just agitating for nothing!

When you people are following Maximus with malicious intent i just laugh at you because it's going to lead you people astray.

Instead of calmly meditate on what i say you're just looking for ways to accuse me thinking that will stop me from commenting.

Well it will shock all of you that you're lost with this because the group name "CHRISTIANS" was given to Jehovah's Witnesses who were PRACTICING what Jesus of Nazareth taught as he is the CHRIST.

So just as some Jehovah's Witnesses lived in the time of Adam, some lived in the time of Noah, some lived in the time of Abraham, some lived in the time of Moses, some lived in the time of David, Elijah down to the time of John the baptist but they were given different group names according to the time and situations surrounding their dedication to serve the true God.
But it's in our time that the true God revealed the group name hidden for thousands of years from among Satan's agents.
So while Satan's agents can operate with other group names like Adam's descendants, Noah's descendants, Abraham's descendants, Israelites, Jews, The Way and Christians it is extremely difficult for any false religions to operate with the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That's why you can't have another religion under that global family name rather Satan's agents who wants to split God's organization today and turn it to something else are crying and wailing yet they hide themselves inside the organization claiming they are JW PIMO.

Abeg why can't they find another religion to join?

The answer is simple:
The last group name CHRISTIAN has been BASTARDIZED by these agents of darkness so since we are practicing what Jesus taught they don't know how to stop us that's why they're hiding under the name Christians just to join others in fighting against pure worship but instead of going to join those they want outside God's organization and continue with the group name "CHRISTIANS" they choose to remain among the true worshipers claiming they are JW PIMO.

Nothing can shake God's organization because we are the one and only true Christian group Jehovah began calling us by the group name He hid away from Satan's agents for thousands of years in order for Satan to play all his tricks with his agents. Isaiah 65:15

Daejumong:
The Jews were happy because Herod killed James! Why are they so anti-Christian?
Acts 12
1. About that time King Herod Agrippa began to persecute some believers in the church. 2 He had the apostle James (John’s brother) killed with a sword. 3 When Herod saw how much this pleased the Jewish people, he also arrested Peter. Why is there so much conflict between Jews and Christians? Are these guys really God’s children or they just pushed that narrative in their Torah to make people respect and fear them? Why do Christians accept their Torah(as Old Testament) but they reject Christ and the New Testament? Are Christians being used as pawns by the Jews to help them dominate the world?

POLITICS powered by RACISM!

Emusan:
Shameless is your trademarks!
You said "...Whosoever claimed he belongs to CHRIST under the OLD CURSE AND BASTARDIZED name(Christian) should think twice
Not only that you also claimed Jehovah has given you people a NEW NAME and the reason you ABANDONED THE NAME CHRISTIAN.
But here you are going back to your vomit.
O ma se oooo
Below are still your word for words
In fact, one of the screenshot shows after the jargons and your delusion, someone has to ask you "Are you really a Jehovah witness?"
@Courz
@achorladey
@otenearon

Did i answer your question with a

YES or NO?

Please quote where i said:
"we have ABANDONED the group name (CHRISTIANS)" oya

Quote me anywhere!

So you can continue crying and wailing!

Emusan:
I agreed with English dictionary I'm just showing you your hypocrisy because if it suits you agreed with the same human philosophy but if it is against you, you called it just human philosophy. So, bring in your English dictionary of firstborn!

I don't flow with ENGLISH LANGUAGE because that's not the original language inspired writers used to pen down the scriptures but since you kept emphasizing on ENGLISH and it's simplicity that's why i said let us check the meaning of FIRSTBORN in any ENGLISH DICTIONARY of your choice.
So it's obvious you know that you're wrong because you won't even wait for me rather you could have rushed in with what the English dictionary says.

According to Oxford ENGLISH DICTIONARY the word FIRSTBORN means first among children:

• The first child to be born to a parent or family.
• Born as the first one in a family, flock or the like.
• Most excellent; most distinguished or exalted among others. Oxford Dictionary

Boomark:
The lie you lied about the word of Jesus in Matthew 24:9 is enough for you not to be call a Christian. If your organisation is using those lies then they are not worthy to be called Christians. So you and your lying organisation are not fit to determine who a Christian is because you are not following Christ if you manipulate and lie about what he said.

Good to know that you have now agreed that you are a Christian. See where I brought you back after showing you that the name Christian actually came from God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8150608/christians-jehovahs-witnesses-what-difference/5#131408023

Emusan asked you severally if you are a Christian there but you refused to answer telling them that the new group name is Jehovah's witnesses. Welcome back from your erroneous belief.

If you leave the medical group. Your new group name is won't be recognised. So your illustration is not fitting.

Why do you have to stress me to provide evidence when you knew you held such belief in the past? Or you want me to show the world that you are not honest?

So you can't quote where i specifically said:

"MaxInDhouse is not a Christian"

Guy stop running to conclusions instead try to always engage people in person to know what they meant.

Emusan who kept asking that question knew better than you do because he knew i will never ever say i'm not a Christian but he was manipulating gullible followers like you who are inexperienced.

I am a CHRISTIAN but i won't agree with others who aren't ready to engage themselves in the work Jesus assigned his disciples that they are my brothers in Christ.

Wonderful thread!

Jozzy4:
The Interesting aspect is the word " First born" was never applied to the Father. Good riddance, the word " BORN " is for created beings, either last born or first born.

When you see him using multiple emojis know that he's ready to cover up for his blunders and the next thing is changing the discussion into exchange of insults Janosky always fall for it but i won't again because i know that's his escape route anytime he's lost.

How can there be a FIRSTBORN without others who are also born?
Certainly the word "FIRSTBORN" can only apply where other children follows.

Restoration began in the year 1914 with Christ Jesus leading his people out of false religions! Revelations 18:4

Wonderful thread!

Emusan:
Funny enough!
Now directing me to dictionary the same you who claim I'm using human philosophy the other time.
The term FIRSTBORN was used for people who are not THE FIRST BORN IN THE FAMILY in the scripture that is the perfect example you need.
Not only that, Col 1 expressly explained the THE TERM FIRSTBORN as used for Jesus. "...So that he MIGHT became FIRST in ALL THING"
Sorry, if Jesus was the (FIRSTCREATED the term never used for Him) then no need for Him to still come AND BECAME FIRST AGAIN IN ALL THING.
Very simple English understanding.

Emusan:
This is why people like you FAILED IN EXAM.
The term FIRSTBORN isn't about human given BIRTH in this context of Col 1:15-18 but about POSITION/RANK
Why this simple English is so hard to comprehend for you?

If you're not ready to agree with the ENGLISH DICTIONARY on the word FIRSTBORN then why are you claiming it's SIMPLE ENGLISH?

Boomark:
You believe you are not a Christian

Can you quote any of my comments where i explicitly said this?

To illustrate think of a situation where medical personnels are to work together against a deadly disease but some people now came up claiming they are also medical personnels and they want to be part of the team, you and other (trained) personnels tried all what you can do to get them informed regarding the disease and all the information expertise have given you but these people disagreed yet they are claiming medical personnels will you like to be called along with them?

Surely you will prefer another group name that will exclude them for a sound reason so that by the time someone ask you why refused to join them you will explain.

So i am a CHRISTIAN but that doesn't make me and any other religionist brothers in Christ simply because such a person also claim to be a Christian. I can only agree that you are one of my brothers in Christ if you're ready for the assignment Jesus gave all his disciples.

If you're following what others say that's your own cup of coffee next time ask the person in question not just reading comments from different commentators and running your own conclusion.

Emusan:
If Jesus said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS means The Father is a person and Holy Spirit isn't a person, then remember Jesus and ALL THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW can't be PERSON.

Can you explain what you're saying here?

Emusan:
This is why people like you FAILED IN EXAM.
The term FIRSTBORN isn't about human given BIRTH in this context of Col 1:15-18 but about POSITION/RANK
Why this simple English is so hard to comprehend for you?

FIRSTBORN in any ENGLISH dictionary of your choice.

Please we need it now!

Emusan:
That is why I rehearse that logic to you people.

The Father KNOWS to you it means The Father is a person

But the same scripture says The Holy Spirit KNOWS and to you it means He is not a person.

Very whacked and dubious logic

The context doesn't make it a person because Jesus clearly stated that what his disciples asked for ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS excluding himself so if the Holy Spirit is also a person Jesus wouldn't have used that phrase "ONLY THE FATHER"

Remember Jesus personalized WISDOM {Luke 7:35} God's word personalized other lifeless things.

Emusan:
Firstborn is the point here!

It means PREEMINENCE.

If Chief Obafemi wasn't the FIRSTBORN of the family and he was CALLED the FIRSTBORN it means it's not about being BORN but RANK/POSITION.

This is very clear from the point of Col 1:15-18

But can we say as FIRSTBORN his existence began just as all other sons CHILDREN born into the family also began at some point in time?

Boomark:
Just trying to be lenient.....


.....you have had a different belief from your organisation before

This really amuses me walahi talahi.

Because we don't welcome leniency from what is not in accord with our faith so you are free to label us with whatever comes into your mind {Matthew 10:24-25} as long as you're not ready to humbly learn from us you are not worshiping the same God with us therefore you can't be one of our brothers {Matthew 12:46-50} of course you're a neighbor just like all others around the world so we must love you {Mark 12:32} but when it comes to our family in the house of faith NO Sir you're not one of us!

I never ever had a different belief from the whole association of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Jozzy4:
You are missing the word " ONLY"
Jesus said ONLY THE FATHER knows.
Only
Only
Only
A single person, no one else.
If Holy spirit knows, that makes two persons that knows and Jesus lied
If holy spirit doesn't know, that automatically means it's not a person.
Pick your poison

It simply means Holy Spirit can't be a person if Jesus said "only the father" after excluding the Son therefore the concept of Trinity is false, there can't be three persons in one yet Jesus said he himself who is the Son doesn't know something and goes further to say "only the father knows"

So had it been your friend agreed that the Holy Spirit is not a person it would make sense that IT could know but if it's a person Jesus wouldn't have used the phrase "only the father" after all there supposed to be three in One person.

Emusan already knew he has lost it but as usual he will continue arguing blindly waiting for you to turn it into exchange of insults to trash the whole issue in the mud.

Emusan:
No!
Stop lying.

• Chief Jeremiah Oyeniyi Obafemi Awolowo was born in the year 1909

• Chief Jeremiah Oyeniyi Obafemi Awolowo came to life in the year 1909

What's the difference?

Westerhoffe:
🤣🤣🤣
Your definition of 'spirits' is voodoo related Mr. I'm not talking about voodoo-related spirit things. So, you think only voodoo-related things are of the spirit? No wonder you can't figure out anything I say. I'm talking about Angels and Demons, you diverted it to voodoo and necromancers' stuff. 🤣🤣🤣 Now back to what is amusing you… You don't need to tell me about how spirits operate, because if I were to go into details, you'd be confused more about its realities. And yet, what I asked you, you haven't shed any light on it. You're just replying to reply, not to say something tangible. Na wa for you o! 🤣🤣🤣

Now you're talking!

Apart from God the Almighty all other spirits are angels and it's angels who became rebellious that are called "demons" they are all behind anything you can hear about spiritism.

So they all operate the same way the only difference between angels and demons is that angels does everything in line with God's will but demons does whatever they want as they have turned their backs on God anticipating judgment from God!

Slavery started not when it was practiced but the very day Adam and Eve decided to become like Gods so whatever makes us approve capitalism where someone can own so much while his or her neighbor can't even feed we are all guilty of slavery!

Stephen made a strong defense for his faith in the presence of those who kicked against Jesus being the Christ.
So while they were still sluggish to kill him he looked into the sky and said:

"Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Act 7:56

That faithful day the whole assembly was trying to make Stephen sound stupid with their furious interrogations but he kept quoting God's word to back what he's saying that's why they lost it when he said something that couldn't be backed as another evidence of Jesus being the Christ:

Standing at GOD'S RIGHT HAND!

If you're a Christian the Bible admonished you to marry only in the same faith. 1 Corinthians 7:39

WHY?

Because that's what will make it easy for both of you to continue your journey to everlasting life.

The word Jesus used:

"What God has YOKED together"

Has a deeper meaning than just choosing what you want in marriage rather it's indept meaning can be fully understood when you think of how animals were YOKED together in Jesus' day.
Two animals are YOKED together to work in a farm so you shouldn't yoke a ram with a donkey because they're not of the same strength.
So to find a suitable spouse for your spiritual journey in life you must marry someone whose of the same line of thought, lifestyle, hobby and many more in that way both of you can decide when and how things should be done! 1 Corinthians 7:5

Jesus said come to me and put my yoke on {Matthew 11:28-30} what Jesus is saying in this effect is you being in one side while Jesus is on the other side and both of you are YOKED together to WORK for the Good News assigned to all worshipers of God in this time of the end, as a perfect partner Jesus will work at the same pace as you can bear but when talking about imperfect humans you must search for someone whose thinking and lifestyle is closest to yours before saying:

"I DO"

God bless you and may you have PEACE!