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StillDtruth:
You know when people say hell they mean hellfire and lake of fire.

Is it what they mean or what is WRITTEN in the scriptures originally in Greek?

Emusan:
See this lying liar.
So, you agree now that Jws don't have ONE LINE OF THOUGHT anymore.
But when are you sending your PERSONAL RESEARCH to your headquarter about your NEW DISCOVERY or do you think others Jws are not worthy to know the truth about this PEESONAL RESEARCH?

My personal research is spiritual as no single JW will pray or worship with you if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

WHY?

Well many just believe that it's due to the way we do pray which negates how other religions do pray but the secret is in the new group name:

We must pray with only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14; John 17:8-9

Boomark:
The answer is no. But I just need the explanation to that scripting. Just tell me what they meant by it in details. As in, according to their own opinion not yours.

James 1:27 HCSB
[27] Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

I practice the purest form of religion.

You are not trying with the new name I asked you to show me. And you want to start another long essay now. I only need things from the scripture not human essay.

In that case go back to your Bible study conductor and continue from where you stopped.
We don't spoon-feed people on faceless forum you must sit down with your neighbors to dig into the scriptures on whatever you want to know.
My presence here is to direct any Interested person to God's organization and i've been doing so.

You can check the comments of those i have directed to God's organization below:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
Please, Tell Him.
Wiser One.
I hope they learn someday that their ways are not TRUE.
Their Eyes Are Closed.

Questionnaires:
There's Alot of Sense in What You Wrote.
Now; How Does The JW Prefer And Advise We Run A Country Like Nigeria ?

Questionnaires:
I want to.
You can let me know.

Questionnaires:
Surprisingly And Truthfully;
It's A Honour For You, King.
I'm Positioning Myself To Help Provide A Meeting Point For All Humanity. That We Should Love Our Neighbours As We Love Ourselves.
This Alone - Is The Greatest Treat For Humanity.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

May you have PEACE!

Emusan:
The @color part reinforced that you're unrepentant liar. Everything written in the scripture yet you can't provide a single verse to back 1914. So which scripture did you see 1914?

Please quote where i said a belief is WRONG!

Of course Jesus never mentioned any date but everything he mentioned in the Bible book of Matthew 24:7-14 has been unfolding since the year 1914

That's why i believe that it's true he was enthroned that year.

Boomark:
Bros abi neighbour, I have shown you from the scripture that the new name is CHRISTIAN. I can't take anything coming from your head. You should know me na. I can't take such things from my penticostal people how much more from JW. Stop writing essay for me. Just give one or two scriptures that clearly says that "Jehovah's witness" is the new name.

Neighbor, i'm not asking you to believe or take what i discovered in my own personal research i responded because you were told that i said something that's why i explained in details how i figured it out on my own (note) ON MY OWN not what Jehovah's Witnesses believe collectively.

So if i never asked my fellow believers to take it why you?
Please each Bible scholar is free to make his or her own personal research regarding what he believes such treasures aren't meant to be shared until someone ask why the believer is so strongly attached to his religious group.

Thanks!

CoolJason:
Could you please elaborate?

There are two Hebrews words Jesus used to describe the condition of the dead back in the first century:

• Sheol~ This means the common grave of all whether man or beast, good or evil, male or female, young or old, rich or poor no matter the status, education or position of a person Sheol is their end.

• Gehenna~ This is a valley behind Jerusalem where the inhabitants used to throw their refuse and carcasses of dead animals or that of criminals. The Jews believe that whatever they throw into Gehenna is not to be retrieved or recovered so like their unwanted refuse the criminals whose carcasses are thrown there will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead! Psalms 9:17

So when Jesus walked the earth he taught his listeners a lot in parables using Sheol and Gehenna to describe the condition of sinners as some are recorded in God's memory as if they are still living {Luke 20:38} since He will bring them back to life {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} but many never did anything worth remembering so they will not be resurrected.

Unfortunately by the time most scholars want to translate the Bible from the original language pagan philosophies had crept into the churches of Christendom so the interpreters don't know how to translate what Jesus taught that's why they rendered both Sheol and Gehenna as Hell and Hellfire respectively but in the original language there is nothing like consciousness after death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Boomark:
FxMasterz
Maybe MaxinDHouse should just explain it to me how they meant it so I will know if it is worth it.

I have told you from the onset that there is only one reason why i will engage you in any form of discussion regarding Jehovah's Witnesses.

Are you of the opinion that God approves all forms of religions?
If YES is your response then there's no need arguing about what anyone believes since your God approves all.

But if NO is your response then you and i will use the scriptures to figure out the one and only religion that God approves.

That's the only reason i can engage you in any discussion regarding Jehovah's Witnesses!

Boomark:
Sorry for that comment.

FxMasterz:
Apology accepted.

If each religionist can do this there won't be a reason for quarrelling on the matter of faith after all when you see a roadside preacher whatever he or she says you just WAKA PASS without quarrelling with them whether it's true or false from your own belief or understanding.

So if what you believe differs that means your source of information and reasoning differs.
Accusing people and calling them liars or devil's children makes no practical sense God will judge based on what your conscience has permitted you to do whether good or evil.

You must worship with those in agreement with you as fellow believers (brethren) live with others as well meaning neighbors and leave the judgment in the hands of the only true God!

Great thread!

Wonderful thread!

YES!
As there are many Gods and many Lords.

Emusan:
Which is wrong without scriptural and archeaological backing. OR do you think EVERY BELIEVE is right?

There are many books regarded as scriptures and there are countless interpretations that led to uncountable doctrines so i don't say any belief is wrong it depends on the believer with his or her beliefs, my understanding is that the one that's WORKING what is BENEFICIAL i will go for along with my fellow believers! Matthew 12:46-50

So i believe in the doctrine of 1914 as i can see that everything written in the scriptures about what i believe has been happening just as i was made to believe.

Emusan:
Still lying against Jesus.

What i believe!

Emusan:
Who and who is 'US'?
Are you now worshipper of Our God?
Well, not only Matt 10:16 we will honor but every Word of God for they are SPIRIT AND LIFE.

OK!

Emusan:
Doing the same work of my Master and Lord!

Let's honor this statement if it's true. Matthew 10:16

Hell simply means Grave so all dead people goes there whether they are good or evil! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Emusan:
Again, you need that advice! because the evidence abounds everywhere that you're the one quarreling with people. So, back to the main point and stop using style to deviate

Jesus commanded his disciples to be zealous in the work he assigned to them so that's what i'm always doing with any opportunity i have but when there is no agreement he commanded his disciples to PEACEFULLY take their leave because he knew it's not easy to convince a person to drop his beliefs. Matthew 10:16

So if you and i can't reach an agreeable point it's better to keep what each person believes and go our separate ways calling someone names simply because of difference in beliefs is UNCHRISTIAN!

Emusan:
You need that advice more than me.
Reason why your appearance on Nairaland in less than 5 years surpassed mine more than 4 times despite the fact that I'm already on nairaland 6 years ahead of you. So who need to relax a bit and take fresh breath? But that won't me exposing your lying mouth as the son of your father the Devil you are.

It's OK just take it easy nobody is quarrelling with you here!

Michael547:
Has it gotten to insults?
Are you saying that you're now confused about the name of Your God?
Is it Jealous or Jehovah? Which one sir?

It's not easy identifying those conscious of their spiritual need, a question or two will help them sense that something isn't right but when a person feels indifferent even when it's obvious that things aren't in place the best thing is to leave him.
Faith in itself is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

"If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material support from you?" 1Corinthians 9:11

Paul wasn't talking about money as salary or wages for the ministry rather he is advising the brothers in Corinth to support the ministry with whatever they had as himself and other traveling overseers need support during their journey.
He never had a wife nor child that will inherit any property so whatever our brothers give our circuit overseers is to support them in the circuit work.
This may be really difficult for you to grasp but that's what we practice among true Christians today that's why you can't see any member of the true Christians begging on the streets like members of other false religions will do even begging in the name of their god who supposed to provide their needs. Psalms 23:1; 37:25

May you have PEACE!

Jozzy4:
Son ,brother are all creatures from the ONE Father we all have.
Nobody is ever addressed as Son of Jesus, because he is our brother right from the beginning of time.

Hmmmmmmmmmm no wonder Jehovah has never addressed any human as His brother but Jesus said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my BROTHERS and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Surely Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses {Revelations 1:5} so he is one of our fellow wordhipers of the same FATHER who is Jehovah our GOD!

"By their FRUITS you will know" Matthew 7:15-20

That is why it's vital to IDENTIFY the one and only true religion because that's where the shackles of Politics and Racism could be broken {John 13:34-35} and all those involved will welcome one another as one family! Matthew 12:46-50; Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3; Zephaniah 3:9

Without the identification of the only pure worship Politics and Racism will continue to cause hatred no matter what people think, say or do!

Jesus returned in the year 1914!

Boomark:
Isaiah 65:1, 15. NWT
1 “I have let myself be searched for by those who did not ask for me; I have let myself be found by those who did not look for me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am!’ to a nation that was not calling on my name.
15 You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name;

Acts 11:26 NWT
26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation Andy taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.

This is a proof that the new name is CHRISTIAN which came by an act of God. And it happened in Antioch, a nation not calling on his name.

So use scriptures to show us proof that the new name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. Clearly indicate where it was mentioned.

The group name "CHRISTIANS" came because God's people took up an assignment that His only begotten Son Jesus who is called Christ gave them so whoever becomes part of this group and work with them is a Christian but that group name is not to include ancient servants of God who never knew Jesus neither work with him.

From Abel till the day of John the baptist all the servants of God had a hidden group name that wasn't used it's recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 43:10 which reads:

“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.

The above quotation wasn't meant for the Israelites as a nation because God was talking to people who are loyal to Him and only Him as their God in view of this apostle Paul in his letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation defined faith:

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

The demonstrations of some in ancient times is evidence of their faith in God that He is real to them and Paul began mentioning names like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Sarah, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, as well as Samuel. All these people never saw Jesus nor did the work Jesus assigned to his disciples therefore they are not Christians.
So what did Paul has to say about them?
In the Bible book of Hebrews 12:1 we read:

So, then, because we have such a great cloud of WITNESSES surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us

Paul referred to all servants of God in ancient times as WITNESSES and Jehovah called all His loyal worshipers the same group name {Isaiah 43:10} there has been many group names used for His worshipers in the past starting with:
• ISRAELITES.
• JEWS.
• THE WAY.
• CHRISTIANS.

None among those group names survived the attack of Satan's agents as he continues to initiate his own agents right in their midst each time God assemble them to serve as example to the world around them.
In fact Jesus himself foretold of the future of CHRISTIANITY when he told them a parable of a sower who planted fine seeds in his farmland but his enemies came and oversowed the land with weeds {Matthew 13:24-30} in that illustration Jesus concluded that during the harvest he will send out his angels to gather only the fine seeds and keep them in his store but as for the weeds they will also be gathered in their bundles for burning.

So when did this separation work began?
In the Bible book of Revelations 18:4 we read:

And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues"

This means sincere, faithful and loyal individuals will humbly disassociate themselves from false religions in the last days before the destruction of the world empire of false religion and they will continue preaching zealously and industriously teaching in their neighborhood because Jesus is the voice that called them they will not abandon the assignment he gave his disciples rather they will be reenergized due to the call by an endtime group called the faithful and discreet slave {Matthew 24:45} this small group will continue to direct them in doing the work without let up because they must do it until the conclusion of this system of things {Matthew 28:20} when the end of all badness will come! Matthew 24:14

While all these is going on Satan will not give up he will try to initiate his agents right in the midst of God's servants in the endtime but because Jesus has began ruling in heaven since the year 1914 Satan and his agents won't have any power to stop God's people rather their actions globally will render them silent in a spiritual sense {Isaiah 54:17} that's why they will become frustrated claiming they are JW PIMO who are Physically In (God's organization but) Mentally Out (of God's organization)

These are the agents of Satan that God is talking about in the Bible book Isaiah 65:13-15
You will notice that they prefer the name CHRISTIANS so much that they keep fighting against God's organization but instead of them to take their leave they remain.
Their group started their work again right after the death of Charles Taze Russell as they continued to fight against this organization, some of them went out to form their own group claiming Christians but aren't doing the work assigned but the rest of them refused to leave they are the ones maligning God's organization due to the bitterness of their father {John 8:44} so when Jehovah decided to call His own worshipers by another group name Satan's agents became totally confused because that organization is invincible.

So we are the real disciples of Christ (CHRISTIANS actively doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples) but due to all the atrocities committed by the AntiChrist {1John 2:18} Jehovah began calling us by the long hidden group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Jesus Christ returned in the year 1914 and he's been working round the clock to restructure his group.

Wonderful thread!

Michael547:
Would it be proper if I say that my name is Jealous, or I say that someone is Jealous?
Would that mean that I am bearing the name of the Almighty God or giving someone else that name?

That's why i hate engaging him because he is completely empty spiritually speaking yet he will keep following you up and down shouting delusion! delusion! delusion!
But when you try to engage him for discussion you will be disappointed as he can't make any meaningful comment rather he always rely on community support from others as long as it's an environment where JWs are hated that's when he can flow along with the crowd! Exodus 23:1-2

Emusan:
I'm glad you agreed that it was the Father who was actually DOING THE DO

According to Jesus just as all servants of Jehovah always say, whatever we do according to His will we always say Jehovah did it.

Emusan:
Lying liar Jws like his father the Devil.
In shoot, you don't belong to Christ and you can turn your back on Jehovah since you're now a CHRISTIAN.

Please try to relax a bit and take a fresh breath.
You really need it!

Emusan:
Before I answer your question, what make a BEING to be called a PERSON?
I shoot ALL OF RHEM ARE PERSON according the scripture!

Well i think a person is somebody that can't be excluded when talking about individuals, for instance i can't mention names of persons on NL who always follow me up and down the forum without mentioning Emusan because i believe you're a person!

Emusan:
As usual, he couldn't answer thinking he is wise but very dull...

Ok o!

Emusan:
Have proved that times without number.
He is a PERSON that is why He has the ability TO KNOW.
Jesus didn't use PERSON but The Father.
So, you know the reason WHY YOU DUBIOUSLY CHANGE FATHER TO PERSON.

Please let me get something straight.

You trinitarians always say your God is three PERSONS in ONE, Please which of these three is not a PERSON:

The Father.
The Son.
The Holy Ghost or Spirit.