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freshboi88:
But I already told you I don't have a church denomination I worship, I worship anywhere Christ Jesus is preached as God. Now this is settled.
Oya now, Let's go back to what you are running from. Do you agree that you guys inserted the word 'other' 4 times from col 1 16-20 in your NWT bible ?

If you don't have a specific group with which you worship that means you're rebellious as all disciples of Christ must be obedient to those taking the lead among them {Hebrews 13:17 compare to Act 2:42} you're not one of those obedient to Christ through his chosen or anointed brothers.

As for Bible translations there are thousands out there so you can't pick one and start criticizing it when all others also vary one way or another!

FxMasterz:
We've proven to you several times that your GB serve their own pockets and not Christ. By manipulating scriptures and cooking up unscriptural doctrines, they give themselves out as hirelings.

So who are those TAKING THE LEAD among the disciples of Christ Jesus today since his disciples must be OBEDIENT to them? Hebrews 13:17 compare to Act 2:42

Emusan:
Bury your dead head in sand.

Cry cry baby.

I am a CHRISTIAN denomination is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

Oya mention yours if you're not ashame of your church!

freshboi88:
Tactics to run away, do you agree that you guys inserted the word 'other' 4 times from col 1 16-20 in your NWT bible ?

Call it whatever you want the debate should be between two persons irrespective of their denomination but if it has to do with church doctrine each person belongs then you must mention the name of your own church so the doctrine may be placed side by side with that of the other person in the absence of that you're not ready for a real debate!

gammarays:
1. You're far from reality 😂 You can also say Elohim doesn't need food to feed his people. Infact whenever you're hungry, don't eat
The Lord himself led them to win many battles they fought.
2. Isreal has already been blessed through Abraham. Jesus was destined to die in the hands of men for the redemption of man
3. Countries like Nigeria can pamper terrorists and allow them expand not Isreal, US, Russia and co. Check the front page and read how terrorists are rendering Nigerians useless.
I love Isreal

I have quoted God's word for you so there's no need arguing further!

gammarays:
The Reality is Isreal would have been wiped out the surface of the earth if they were docile
You either deal with terrorists ruthlessly or get defeated by them

That's a lie!

The God of Israel doesn't need weapons to save his people! 2Kings 19:35 compare to Exodus 14:14

That country can never ever know peace again after condemning the Prince of Peace! Matthew 27:25

Aemmyjah:
Everyone on Nairaland knows him to spew lies.
He has never dropped any positive comments on NL whether about God or Bible
That's his level of toxicity and it doesn't bother him

He said the name JEHOVAH belongs to demons yet hypocritical churchgoers are still following him since he's telling them what they want to hear about Jehovah's Witnesses!

FxMasterz:
I knew you'll find these scriptures to quote. I also knew you'll not consider that the Bible balanced it by making us know that they should be obeyed as long as they're obeying Christ

So which group leaders are OBEYING Christ in a better way than the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Let me know them so i can start obeying them as they're obeying Christ!

Only GOVERNING BODY of the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are following Christ Jesus that's why they're the only group that is making their followers PREACHING and TEACHING globally zealously and industriously just as Jesus did.

Oya present them otherwise you're not even a member of Jesus' sheep at all! Matthew 25:34-46

luluman:
Something is really paining this one.

He is the saddest of them all!

Emusan:
Shameless lying liar jws like his father the Devil.

Can't you see that you're not shameless but it's so difficult for you to prove everything i say wrong all you keep doing is repeating yourself like a broken stereo.

I am a CHRISTIAN a member of the only group PRACTICING what Jesus taught that false religionists like you stole our former group name and BASTARDIZED it with your Antichrist activities.

Use the scriptures to prove me wrong if you're not a member of the Antichrist!

FxMasterz:
Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Janosky, Michael547 and Maxindhouse have submitted.

Be OBEDIENT to those who are taking the lead among you and be SUBMISSIVE , for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Hebrews 13:17


And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers. Act 2:42

God's ORGANIZED PEOPLE!

God1000:
We should try and respect other people's opinions, we can't always agree

They are not CHRISTIANS!

Jesus is the FOUNDER of that group and it's his neutrality regarding nationalism that made his own people hate him with passion.

Himself and his disciples never supported any side during conflicts that's why Jews hated him and all his disciples till today.

Of course as the Prince whose mission is to unite people throughout the earth in peace (Isaiah 9:6} he can't support WARS because his disciples will surely be in different countries {Matthew 28:19-20; Act1:8} so how will they love themselves just as he commanded if they support nationalistic movements? John 13:34-35

So this is what his people back then thought which made them concluded that he must be killed to eradicate his ideas! John 11:48, 53

However he CURSED that nation for rejecting his peaceful message! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-39

FxMasterz:
I'm asking you where those students' teachers learnt it from?

From China!

FxMasterz:
Our obedience is to the Lord Jesus alone. We obey Christian leaders, not blindly. Only when they're in alignment with Christ.

Paul said "Be ye followers of me as I am of Christ Jesus." 1 Cor. 11:1.

The principle was put into consideration in that book of Acts. That's why we're told they were obedient to the FAITH. Not to some men.

So who taught them what Christ commanded? Matthew 28:18-20
Is it not the same disciples who never attended their Rabbinic schools? Act 4:13

Therefore who are they obedient to, is it what their Rabbis taught or what the Apostles taught as they received from Jesus? Hebrews 13:7, 17

Truvelisback:
Ehn! You are very good at making the Scripture say what you want to hear. Why didn't He do the same when they were giving offering?

Because that's according to the scriptures! Exodus 23:15

FxMasterz:
This is more serious than I thought. Maxindhouse, can you see that you're being deceived?
The bolded caught my attention. You mean the leaders of the JW actually rule over them?

Just as they are ruling over Nigeria and Ghana shey?

FxMasterz:
Lol.
So, China has no university?

It's technical school students that's producing telephones not university degrees!

FxMasterz:
Why do you like twisting Scriptures like this? What's wrong with you Maxindhouse? Aren't you ashamed?
The verse says they were obedient to the FAITH. Not to the apostles or disciples. To the FAITH please.

Faith in God according to scriptures or in Christ as taught by Jesus' disciples?

Truvelisback:
But He condemn Trading in the temple.

As a Jew he is reminding them what was WRITTEN in the scriptures! Matthew 21:13

That's why they were asking him what authority does he have to apply the scriptures against their activities because what they're doing is not according to the scriptures.

freshboi88:
I'm using your own translation document gotten from JW.org.

You're not doing as we agreed.

I said STRICTLY WHAT THE BIBLE TEACH not a religion.
So if you keep talking about a religion then you have to mention your own religion.
Definitely you have nothing to say other than thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses teachings but if you have something unique let me know!

FxMasterz:
"And the word of God continued to increase, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests became OBEDIENT to the faith." Acts 6:7

Note the highlighted!

Scribes became OBEDIENT to the teachings of the Apostles and Older men in Christianity who never attended their theology schools.

So if they became OBEDIENT to Jesus' disciples who never attended their Rabbinic schools of what benefit is their knowledge?

FxMasterz:
Where did the said technical schools and their owners get the knowledge from?

From China!

Truvelisback:
Did He condemn the collection or not? If it was wrong, He would have condemned the collection. As a matter of fact, He commended the poor widow's offering.

Jesus can't condemn what is happening in the temple since that religion was about to end in the first century! John 4:21

freshboi88:
So you are admitting that you inserted the word 'other' in col 1: 16-20 four times to fit your interpretation correct even when Paul in the original text didn't use the word other, correct ?

Translation work is not like 123 it's about language so if you don't understand what OTHERS means that's your own cup of coffee Jesus is the FIRSTBORN and there is no firstborn who is not part of those being born.
Surely OTHER creatures are from the same father who used His firstborn Son to procreate just as God used Adam to populate the earth.
Adam was God's Son! Luke 3:38

However what exactly has this got to do with Jesus being God's Son?

FxMasterz:
Mathew 13:12

"Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”

What do you understand by the above statement made by the Lord Jesus Himself.

A scribe was an highly educated fellow in the days when Jesus walked this earth in Jerusalem.

Jesus said, if such an highly educated fellow is instructed into the kingdom of God, he is able to draw fresh and old treasures for the benefit of others.

The high IQ that follows sound education is not to be discountenanced. It's useful also for the longhorn of God. Just look at Paul.

Scribes were Jewish THEOLOGIANS so if Jesus never appointed any of them as apostle that shows their knowledge is worthless in God's kingdom! Act 4:13

FxMasterz:
Even the phone you're using to type the question and the site you're using to post the question are solutions to some communication problems.

So it's universities that made this possible shey?

Ọmọ go to China it's students who learned all these things at technical schools that's making it not university degrees!

FxMasterz:
My dear that's not what we're even discussing. Take your childish arguments away from me. I've already shown you how the basic needs attract other needs. Go and rest with that.
What I'm here to tell you is that we go to the university to learn how to solve problems and not to learn how to be smart.

How many problems have the world been able to solve or are the universities not enough?

FxMasterz:
Are desperately looking for something to argue about or what?

What is the meaning of this stray mention you made after I said my use of the word 'condemn' was an oversight.

Or you don't know what 'oversight' means? Go check a dictionary.

OK so get it straight that God's organization is not condemning higher education but as active and dedicated servants of God with duty under the control of God's only begotten Son we DISCOURAGE time and effort wasted in pursuing what is of no real benefit neither add up to what we are pursuing: God's Kingdom! Matthew 6:33-34

FxMasterz:
Why do you have the habit of occasionally cutting off my mentions and quoting only one part as though that's the only thing I said?

Why are you so mischievous?

Now, back up your myopic declaration by countering what I said in my previous mention as copied below:

Are needs not truly numerous?

[/b]I just don't want to argue with you because your understanding of the matter is still very kindergarten.[/b]

[b]For example, when you need shelter, do you put your shelter inside bush? You need someone to clear the bush. Do you build your shelter with saliva? Someone makes the blocks and another builds with it. Someone made the roofing sheet and another fixes your roof. You need roads leading to your house. Someone made the roads and another produces the machines that make the roads conducive for you. We are yet to talk about vehicles that make movements easy for you as well as those who have to learn to produce those vehicles. Or do you want to trek from your house to London if you have to visit London? The list goes on for food production too. It takes a process and the process needs knowledgeable people. We've not talked about the clothing, the makers of it and those who build the machines that help make the clothes. We've not talked about the lightening of your house. The makers of the bulbs that you keep buying. The makers of the machines that produce those bulbs and all the humans who have to learn how to do all those things and supply electricity to your shelter. Should we talk about the water supply to your house too and the resources that make water available for your use?[/b]

We can go on and on and on like that. The 3 three basic needs are composite needs that create other needs which MUST also be met. People have to learn how to meet these needs and solve those problems. We go to the university basically for this reason.

Obviously you hate the truth but let me poke your bubble of deception.

How many houses do a couple NEED?
Answer: ONE
How many clothes do you need per outing?
Answer: ONE
How many dishes do you need at a moment?
Answer: ONE

But most people keeps storing up treasures as if their existence depends on what they're able to accumulate {Matthew 6:19-21} this greedy attitude is why billions finds it extremely hard to feed, clothe themselves or have a place to call their own home and it's the same reason why some carry arms to take these things by force from those accumulating it with greed and sometimes killing them! Luke 12:16-21

But if everyone is OK with the NEEDS and not WANTS i'm sure by now Nigeria will be like Paradise for all citizens because we have more than enough in this country!

FxMasterz:
I have been using the word 'Discouraged' and I think that's the right word. My recent use of the word 'condemn is an oversight. Courz and Achorladey know better than me in these things and can provide more clarifications.

To the best of my knowledge, JW has been discouraging its members from attending university.

Now, answer all my 3 questions.

Surely you only argue blindly!

So how does the word DISCOURAGE and CONDEMN mean the same?

Please try to go back and study ENGLISH just to know how to use words appropriately because i can discourage my child from doing something that doesn't mean i condemned that thing!

Jesus established a group in the first century through God's Holy Spirit {Act 2:1-4} the task given to them is to become WITNESSES to the fact that the Prince of Peace has walked this planet {Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6} so they are to gather faithful and obedient humans in a the nations {Isaiah 2:2-4} and make them obedient to the Prince of Peace as his disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} with this global family the entire human race supposed to see this group as salt and light of the world! Matthew 5:13-16

But what do we have today?

Countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming they are CHRISTIANS yet their members are into politics and racism to the extent of hating, fighting and killings not just anyone but even their fellow worshipers who are calling upon the name of the Prince of Peace in other nations! Matthew 7:21-23

So has this group name been BASTARDIZED or it still retain it's glory just as the inhabitants of Antioch noticed their loving movement in the first century? Act 11:26

Surely these fake religionists have brought a CURSE upon that group name that's why the only true God vowed in His anger that He will destroy all those fake religionists and began calling His own worshipers by another group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Emusan here is it again oya hit your head on the wall or go hug a transformer because we are the true Christians you people stole that fine group name and brought a CURSE upon it that's why you're so ashamed to mention the name of your church because you know that there is nothing to write home about your so called religions!

FxMasterz:
Are needs not truly numerous?.

NO!
NEEDS are just three things:
FOOD
CLOTHING and
SHELTER

So whether in the time of Adam or Noah or Elijah or Jesus or Today human NEEDS remain the same FOOD CLOTHING and SHELTER it's our WANTS that's unlimited/numerous!