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Mrexcell:
I dont think ur figure is actually accurate we have seen countless people make enormous money from their investments in stocks and real estates after so many years.

How many are investing and how many are making it through stocks?

You are only seeing survivors while a lot of investors lost and died in silence!😟

honesttalk21:
See your contradiction now? How will a lesser god create a book to control stronger gods? Subjecte supremacy?

Who are lesser Gods controlling stronger Gods?😟

Mrexcell:
What about people with foresights that created their own future by investing massively in lucrative businesses that later pays back great returns?

90% of them lost all their investments and continued struggling while many due to their loss couldn't bear it so they either committed suicide, grieved to the point of loosing their sanity or died of heart attack.

So it's just a few out of millions who made it that we are seeing today. Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

Humans are Gods too because they are acting as SUPREME RULERS who can call for the execution of another human and force their rules on others.

So if mere humans can do that then a powerful spirit like Satan can do much more!😟

honesttalk21:
Why stop short of the full message? Your Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4 that the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Notice the small g and doesn't this Bible also mankind are gods too? Stop though this is from a documentation under scrutiny.
Before people began worshipping other than God before Abraham was called wasn't there a time before when people worshiped God?
Who are you to win a soul God hasn't stated to be won and is it you or God that's winning?

Explore2xmore:
Now that looks more like inability to engage any further. Separating people types from the book doesn't auger well for the book.

I am one of the true Christians!

We don't argue needlessly {1Corinthans 9:26} what you are asking will only lead to endless arguments such is only required when you just want to convince yourself of whatever religion you practice your preconceived thought is the driving force so there is nothing like helping anyone to see reasons with your faith and get converted.

In true Christianity our aim is to win a soul and if possible find a better religion than the one we practice.

honesttalk21:
Having trouble with your logic here. What power independent of God does the devil have then how does all this relate?

My Bible says Satan himself is a God so if you don't know what a God can do with regards to writing a message and enforcing it on people then you don't want to learn.
Before God called Abraham people in different places has been worshiping idols and it's demons who are behind such forms of worship so when God started using humans to pen down His own message Satan as the God of this world also did exactly the same thing.

If you don't want to learn please stop mentioning my name asking questions when you refuse to quote what you're saying is stupidity!

elated177:
Maxindhouse, there is nothing like "damaging" aspect in the will of our Father in heaven. But, more on that later.

tctrills:
When did Judas become a devil? Was it before or after he betrayed Jesus Christ?

You can continue with your arguments i didn't come here to address you.

When did Peter become Satan? Matthew 16:23

I already told you Judas Iscariot was a good man who allowed Satan to use him but regarding what Jesus said about a devil among his disciples that is what the scriptures foretold which Jesus knew must come to pass!

Hmmmmmmm so what matters to you is how the message got to you shey?

Well in that case you can continue your arguments with those churchgoers who likes arguing aimlessly the truth is nobody was there when God created the heaven or earth yet the books you and i carry says a lot about these things and you never cared to ask if its writers were eyewitnesses!🙂

Explore2xmore:
Explaining how the New Testament was compiled is not the same as proving the compilation itself was divinely authorized or that every included text is infallibly from God. Describing the historical process explains preservation, not automatic divine validation.
That is precisely why the question about it's authority, canonization, and authenticity makes the subjects of discussion here.

What is the evidence that the author of the book is not devil himself?

So if the book is from God it should be able to unite its adherents there is no sense claiming a book is from God when adherents of the book can't cohabit peacefully among themselves.

honesttalk21:
So now the book is the powerful not the one communicating through the book? Please. Without books weren't people gathered before?

God promised a new covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} it will be written not in what could be seen rather in the hearts of adherents and the one who is coming to teach people will be called a Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} that's why Jesus was saying "you have heard that it was said but now i'm telling you this is what you should do" Matthew 5:21-48

So Jesus knew since he never wrote any book rather taught them through words and actions they needed reminders that's why he told them:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come." John 16;12-13

Surely they are to pen down what Jesus taught them and take it to all the nations! Matthew 28:19-20

That's what brought about a covenant that differ from the first covenant!

Explore2xmore:
Still not getting me, did Jesus hand over a book be it Gospel, new testament or other to people or instruct them to compile/collect one? Where is the proof for that more so that you now say the old testament was for Jacob's descendants then the new covenant for all faithful? Question is aren't a good part of the faithful also descends of Jacob?
Hold on with your references to books in the new testament as it's still being reviewed.

Explore2xmore:
Tell then what is the purpose of the new testament even when Jesus didn't instruct it's collection/production?

The Old Covenant (Old Testament) was meant for Jacob's descendants only but the New Covenant (New Testament) is for all faithful and obedient individuals throughout the world who may decide to become worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
With the New Covenant faithful people from all the nations will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and there will be understanding among them {Zephaniah 3:9} but the rest will be blinded by Satan {2Corinthians 4:4} fighting and killing themselves despite claiming they are for the same God! Revelation 6:3-4

Jesus never mentioned any name he is speaking with a view to what prophecies regarding his betrayal said that one of his closest confidants will betray him!

tctrills:
So you mean that when Jesus said, One of you is a devil, he was not being honest?
Are you saying that Judas had not committed the sin yet so Christ was wrong in calling him a devil at that time
Are you saying that Christ should have said, one of you will be a devil?
Is that your point?

dalitigator:
what about those who knew no sin but died. How do you answer that. So, no heaven?

All humans were born with inherited sin {Psalms 51:5} so whoever chose evil is only making his or her chances of survival harder because apart from the inherited sin such ones are complicating issues for themselves.

God didn't create heaven for humans to live it's the abode of spirits so that is where God Himself lives with his spirit sons (angels) Psalms 115:16

People who died due to their sins are in three categories:

RIGHTEOUS: They know God and does His will so God will bring them back as they deserve to live forever. Job 14:13-15

UNRIGHTEOUS: They don't know the true God that is why they can't do His will but they lived by their God's given conscience so God will bring them back to life. Romans 2:14-15

WICKED: They may know God and they may not know Him but they have killed their God's given conscience or rendered it useless so they don't care whether their words or actions affects anyone as long as they have their way it means nothing to them. Such ones will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead! Psalms 9:17


That's why God's word said there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous {Act 24:15} but as for wicked people they have had all their share in life they are never coming back!🙂

tctrills:
Jesus knew one of the 12 was a devil and He was very good at recognizing a devils.

Through the thoughts and actions not while there is no sin yet!

First of all there is no predestination in evil doing and secondly hell simply means grave everyone who dies goes there and lastly death is the ultimate punishment for sin so at death all the sins of a sinner has been fully paid for by his death there is no punishment after death for previous sins!

dalitigator:
So should they be punished in hell if it was predetermined that some shall surely act in a particular manner even before being birthed?

The damaging aspect of this idea is that the wicked person has been predestined to be wicked so it's God's fault not theirs!😟

dalitigator:
Absolutely true. Even Judas knew before Christ exposed him. Right?

Jesus knew through the words thought and actions not before choosing Judas!

elated177:
Maxindhouse, tctrills is actually right. Yahushua the Messiah knew who was going to betray him from the outset. The Scriptures didn't mince words in that regard.

John 13:21 After he had said this, Yahushua was troubled in spirit and testified, “Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me.”

22 His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23 One of them, the disciple whom Yahushua loved, was reclining next to him. 24 Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, “Ask him which one he means.”

25 Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, “Lord, who is it?”26 Yahushua answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Yahushua told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” 28 But no one at the meal understood why Yahushua said this to him. 29 Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Yahushua was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor. 30 As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.

The apostles didn't understand till after the event had taken place.

John wrote this after all the events not before!

tctrills:
But John 6.71 specifically said Jesus was talking of Judas not Peter or the other apostles and at that time, Judas was already a devil.
So let me get you, are you saying that Peter and the rest of the Apostles were also devils?
Remember, Jesus Christ made it clear, one of you is a devil not two not all of you.

Message loud and clear!🙂

Lovelink1991:
Christianity is not for the normal people

It's wise to ascertain before we believe any information {1Thessalonians 5:21} but when you don't know the purpose of such info then it's meaningless trying to raise questions based on what you choose against another.

For instance what is the purpose of the Quran?
What exactly did Allah promise that will be evidence for Muslims to rely upon?

It's hypocritical pointing to small pimples in someone's face when you have huge boils all over your face!😟

Explore2xmore:
Questioning religious texts is reasonable.

Jesus knew very well that one of his closest confidants will play the devil since that is exactly what the scriptures said before him {Psalms 41:9} so he is closely watching them to know who will be the one that's why he could call any of them Satan or devil whenever any of them takes such step.
Judas used to steal from the money box kept with him {John 12:3-6} that is a sign that the man is spiritually sick when it comes to materialism, Peter is spiritually sick when it comes to fear of men and majority of the twelve are sick spiritually when it comes to racism.
So Satan can seize these opportunities to gain control over the heart of anyone but one thing is certain it's one of Jesus' closest confidants that Satan will use since such a person must lead the Pharisees to wherever Jesus will be on the night of his arrest!

tctrills:
Please explain the relationship?
Are you saying that Peter was the devil spoken about in John 6.70?
Please kindly explain how what you've quoted above show that Jesus did not beforehand know that Judas was a devil.

tctrills:
Jesus Christ already answered that.
I choose you but one is a devil. He is telling you that He knew He chose a devil.
It is already figured out.
If Judas became a devil much later, then it would be wrong to say "one of you is a devil"
He would have said,
"One of you will become a devil."

Jesus told Peter:

“Get behind me, Satan!" Matthew 16:23

Was Peter Satan?

What we need to figure out is whether Jesus chose a devil as an apostle or the once friendly disciple allowed Satan to use him!

tctrills:
Where did John state what you are saying.
Instead, he clearly says that Jesus Christ was referring to Judas. Please let's not add to the scripture.
It clearly says,
He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon.
Now, are you saying that Jesus Christ did not know that Judas was a devil?
Remember, Jesus Christ said, one of you is a devil not one of you will be a devil so it's clear that at that time, Judas was already a devil and Jesus Christ could identify him.

honesttalk21:
I think the OP is referring to a book ( Gospel/New testament)

Books are useless if users aren't doing what the book was meant for.
The Bible was meant to help gather peace lovers throughout the earth and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4

So if that has been achieved then there is no need arguing about it's authenticity definitely it's God's word!

tctrills:
Actually, the very next verse confirmed it was Judas He was referring to.
Let's read it.
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Here John is telling readers of his gospel that Judas is the one who later fulfilled that part not that Jesus knew the person before choosing him.

tctrills:
Now, what do we learn from this? 2 things.
1. Judas was a devil even before he betrayed Christ.
2. Jesus Christ knew he was a devil prior to choosing him.
Question to you,
From the verses above, when did Judas become a devil?
Was it before or after betraying Christ?

The scriptures teaches us that Satan only seize opportunities when a sinner ignores divine guidance.

It happened to Cain before he killed Abel {Genesis 4:6-7} it happened to Peter who wanted to advise Jesus to go against God's will {Matthew 16:21-23} so Judas wasn't a devil incarnate but allowed Satan to use him due to his love for money! James 1:13-15

tctrills:
Yes I can
Let's begin with Christ early in His ministry telling His apostles that one of them was a devil. John 6.70.
So it's clear that Judas was a devil long before he betrayed Christ and Jesus Christ knew this

Jesus answered them: “I chose you twelve, did I not? Yet one of you is a slanderer.” John 6:70

This hasn't confirmed that it must be Judas Iscariot rather Jesus believes the scriptures that it's one of his closest confidants!

Even the man at peace with me, one whom I trusted, Who was eating my bread, has lifted his heel against me. Psalms 41:9

So while teaching them Judas Iscariot wasn't satisfied with spiritual food {Luke 4:4} that is what led Satan to enter him {Luke 22:3} due to his love for money! 1Timothy 6: 10; Matthew 6:19-21; James 1:13-15

tctrills:
It couldn't have been anyone. Jesus Christ knew who it would be even before choosing him.

Please can you quote this in the Bible?

Are you saying this must happen even if Judas Iscariot wasn't a lover of money?

Jesus knew by the actions and of course reading the thoughts going on in the minds of his followers so it could have been any other close associate of Jesus who loves material things.

SEPARATION!
The man/woman needs to pick her things and stay away from the violent spouse until he/she realizes the value of their marriage so there shouldn't be any extramarital intimacy outside their marriage because the faithful mate will file for a divorce.

DataDoc:
This your freemium ChatGPT. Lol
You need to give it the correct prompt.

No matter what prompt you give it will still tell you that such a thing is against the ethics of the police force globally!

dalitigator:
From your explanation, do you think this was replicated to correct the scenario at the Garden of Eden?

This is what the Bible teach:

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death. James 1:13-15

So the first couple CHOSE to be rebels!

Which religion taught you this?

No be that religion wey dey ment?🙂

CJStarz:
Still, that doesn't make Him a sadist such as He's been portrayed through this hell fire lies. God does not derive joy in people's cry of anguish.