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kayjordan:
This is a classic case of:
JOHN: "I don't like hats, they don't fit me. I prefer caps.
MARK: "Well, I do! They fit me really well. Caps are for little kids.
If Mark imposes his "wish" on John, he is self-centered and a dictator.
Do you agree?

NO! I disagree with your illustration.

My hart or cap doesn't in any way affect my neighbor but my religion does!
A Muslim will kill a Muslim because of politics or nationalism, Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen name the religion will do exactly the same thing because their religious leaders taught them that human governments can make their life better so when it comes to choosing a human leader all these religions gets involved.

That is what leads them into hating and killing themselves even though they claim worshipers of the same God!🙂

kayjordan:
You have an "individualistic opinion" rather than a collective view on religions. I earlier mentioned other good religions - but you remain glued to your religion and denomination.

Individuals and religions are two different things. When people gather for worship but failed to cohabit peacefully among themselves then that religion is NOT GOOD.
To illustrate it's the chef doing the cooking that determines a good meal not the ingredients. The same applies to religion when the SPIRIT controlling the worshipers is not the true God they will fail to produce what is good collectively {Matthew 7:16-18} even though there are nice individuals among them. Galatians 5:22-23

kayjordan:
Whether religious people mix religion with politics or religion with racism - it doesn't rule out the fact that there are good people amongst them - the bad ones are the racists.

This shows you haven't been following this discussion with keen interest. No right thinking human wants to be a racist but politics gives birth to racism whether you like it or not. Take for instance back in 2023 Nigerians wanted to vote for another leader anyone who feels the need for a better leader won't know when he or she is carried away with racism and politics it's either you vote/support one candidate and oppositions see you as a racist (when your preferred candidate comes from your tribe) or enemy of the nation (when your preferred candidate is not from your tribe)
So no matter how good you may be once your religion allows members to go into politics you will have serious issues with your neighbor or fellow worshiper whose preferred candidate differ from yours!🙂

kayjordan:
If you're given a ticket to explore good religions just as you pivoted from Islam to Christianity, would you accept it?
Also - are you a righteous man?

It's pointless sticking to a rifle without a bullet so if i realize my present religion is not achieving the needful there is no reason to continue.
Being Righteous means doing better than others in benefitting oneself and neighbors so surely i am a righteous man if we are to go by that criteria! Mark 12:31

kayjordan:
The peace you ask for - others already have it with or without your religion.
It's like asking if one should use a "broom" or a "long brush" to sweep a room - really it doesn't matter what's used as long as it ensures a clean room.
So why is Christianity selfish?

Hmmm my guy i told you that i was once a Muslim and i really believe in logical reasoning but when i met the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) i surrendered to indomitable truth! John 8:32🙂

There is just one reason why no religion can have REAL peaceful and loving people i believe that should be your next question!🙂

I told you earlier that evil started when some intelligent creatures decided to dominate their fellow humans.

Now let us use logical reasoning to help us find if it's possible for any other religion to have people who are truly peaceful and loving.

Humans who wants to dominate other humans are called "POLITICIANS" and due to fear of being subjects to bad rulers other religions either participate fully or partially. What i mean is that members of these religions join in the struggle for public offices (full participation) or vote or support one candidate over another (partial participation) this is the cause of WARS throughout the world today leading people into hating and killing their neighbors and in extension their fellow worshipers from other countries or tribes.

We Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) only believe in the government of God (God's Kingdom) where Jesus will reign as king so we don't participate at all in politics that is what squashed racism in our midst while all other religions are blinded by politics and racism. 2Corinthians 4:4

Well since you believe in logic please do you still think there can be real peaceful and loving people when these religions are into of politics and racism?🤔

kayjordan:
Heaven is God and His Spirit Son's Abode - acknowledged! What I'm trying to understand - is your peace and love defense. You say: "one can never find a peace and loving person other than a Christian" - this comes off as a "bragging right" than an honest audit of other religions.
This is MARKETING AND DEMARKETING!
Now, you asked me to mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if I know any -
Here they are (As groups):
1. Muslims: Just as divided as Christians are, so are Muslims. The better version of Muslims are peaceful and accommodating of other religions - for example; some Yoruba-Muslims.
2. Buddhists: This group of worshipers are helpful in society and peaceful. In Nigeria, they are active members of the Rotary Club and they use this platform to help communities.
3. Humanists: As mentioned before, are a group of non-believers who don't believe in a God but believe in helping planet earth - by doing so, they help the needy, volunteer their time to serve mankind in any capacity.
Likely there are many others...
Does your religion have a problem with the above listed groups?

Of what purpose is speaking in strange language?🤔

Kingsolar:
PLEASE I really need help here. I am a Christian and probably baptized with water and in spirit. For the past three years or more I found myself speaking in strange tongues and it have been a thing of joy for me because in Christiandom speaking in tongues have great importance that most Pentecostal places more emphasis on. But of a recent I found myself asking "WHY SHOULD I BE SPEAKING A LANGUAGE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND''. This has become a nightmare for me that I am asking the house to help me out please.

kayjordan:
Clear and acknowledged!
The question unanswered is:
If unbelievers that are not Christians and are not Jehovah's Witnesses - are peaceful and loving and they live on your planet - will God Almighty, remove them from the surface of this earth?

OK i can see you have a feeling that it's possible to find peaceful and loving people who are not true Christians but i doubt it.

Of course our God will not destroy such ones but it's impossible to find such ones.

Your question sounds like that of one of God's ancient friends named Abraham. God told him that He is going to destroy two cities and in one of these two Abraham's cousin (Lot) lives there with his family.

So Abraham started asking whether God will destroy the cities if 50 righteous people are found there and God said no, Abraham continued bargaining until he asked if 10 could be found God still said He will not destroy the cities for the sake of 10 righteous people but at the end only tree were found which are Lot and his two daughters.

So my guy what the Bible God wants is a peaceful planet earth where everyone will be happy therefore if a person can meet up with that criteria without being one of His worshipers God will not destroy such a person but i doubt if such is possible!🙂

kayjordan:
Heaven doesn't exist - acknowledged.

Heaven exists that's where God created for Himself and His spirit sons! Psalms 115:16

kayjordan:
If unbelievers that are not Christians and are not Jehovah's Witnesses - are peaceful and loving and they live on your planet - will God Almighty, remove them from the surface of this earth?

You can never ever find a single person who is TRULY peaceful and loving on this planet except Christians.
WHY?
Because we have inherited bad traits from Adam that is why God asked us to learn from Jesus how to be truly peaceful and loving without Jesus no human can truly be peaceful and loving:


All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. ‭Isaiah 64:6 NIV‬


Please mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if you know any!

kayjordan:
Very clear.
The honesty about God is acknowledged.
You asked who can stop Him?
I think it's a question of - "what's stopping Him?" rather than a question of "what can stop Him?".
To find out - let's not postpone the evil day - let's see the manifestations of your God.
Just as his creation Jesus Christ was asked - if he could walk on water.... I believe he did!

Nobody ever tempt the Bible God unless He chooses to make such a person His messenger so if He wants to send someone to a place and the person demands for a sign He will provide but when a random person demands God will never ever obey such instruction.

The same applies to God's only begotten Son so nobody tempted Jesus to walk on water he did out of love to save his friends.

Meanwhile God doesn't exhibit His powers needlessly He only does that out of love for obedient humans so He gave us signs but when unbelievers demands He will never ever do such a thing:

“A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah the prophet" Matthew 12:39

kayjordan:
Very nice!
If one isn't a Christian - and if one isn't a Jehovah's Witness believer, but a peaceful individual on planet earth - will God still be mandated to remove such person from the earth still?

Achieving peace in God's own way is by humbly becoming a peace maker so by the time anyone mistakingly hurt you you should be the first to sue for peace and by so doing you become perfect from God's standpoint {Matthew 5:43-48} so from the viewpoint of the true God peace isn't just about not looking for trouble but being the first to apologize even when you are wronged.
If everyone on planet earth does that this planet will become a paradise.

kayjordan:
What's the purpose of Heaven?

Humans have no business with heaven earth is where God created for us! Psalms 115:16

Did God ever claim He is all knowing?

The title Almighty means He has the highest ability and nothing can stop Him but if you know anyone who can stop Him please let me know that person.🙂

kayjordan:
So therfore, God is not All-Knowing and not Almighty? IS THAT CORRECT?

kayjordan:
To respond to this:
If Devil never created humans, then God himself created the Humans without knowledge of their behaviors - therefore, He's a Learner!

This He admitted that is why He regretted {Genesis 6:6} He has learned that it's not all intelligent creatures that can be as graceful as His first child who always do what is pleasing to Him! John 8:29🙂

kayjordan:
If Islam caged you - would you be a Christian today? No!
That's why God should leave people to their fate and allow them seek understanding of their world. Not destroy them for not believing in Him - That's the Dictatorship I'm talking about.

Do you crave for peace?

Well God wants all inhabitants of this planet to enjoy lasting peace that is what brings Him glory

That is not dictatorship people are now killing people because of politics (the desire to dominate fellow humans) all those involved in this thing must be removed before the world can have peace which God promised all lovers of peace so if there is any religion that can achieve that among all their members globally they have beaten God in His own standard but there is none instead racism and politics keeps making them kill one another! Revelation 6:3-4🙂

kayjordan:
While only him can defend himself, I can only say he's obidient to what he's been taught.

You need to know what OBEDIENCE truly means. If anyone is obedient he should be able to present the religion to which he is obedient.
There are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so if anyone is truly obedient he should be able to tell the church to which he is obedient.

I was born and raised a Muslim but i was on my way to embrace atheism before i met Jehovah's Witnesses then i started asking questions upon questions to know why they are totally different from all other religions even though they are also called Christians everyone know they are different.

So today i can speak before anyone that i have found the only true religion and mention the name anywhere!🙂

kayjordan:
Your submission is based on "excuses" and "violence".
The points you've made show God "lies" about his first creation and is making "excuses" why his creations are not "working well". You also paint a picture of a "Dictator" God.

Please what LIE did you say God told about His first creation?🤔
How is God a dictator?

kayjordan:
You fine-tuned it by saying only Jesus is his first creation even "amongst" existing humans. Are you therefore implying that the "soul" and "physical bodies" of Adam and Eve including all unbelievers are devil's creations? Or rather, the body and soul of Jesus Christ is God's creation?

Satan never create any human they only chose his path.

kayjordan:
Please note: "Jesus the only begotten Son" as stated in the bible - is rebuked of worship by your denomination "Jehovah's Witness".

What do you mean here?🤔

kayjordan:
Well! His intention is not known.
Maybe he wants to promote his own version of Christianity to me. And maybe that's why Americans created "freedom of speech". Though we both are having a good intellectual debate, it's also permitted if persons bring in their own style of submission.

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

You really have a long way to go!

OK let me help you.

Please ask him to tell you the name of his own church if truly he has anything tangible to say.

Note that he will tell you that there are Bible believing churches around you and some false churches but he can never ever mention any church of his own.

WHY?

Because he has been blinded and so he doesn't know what true Christianity supposed to achieve among adherents of the faith. So he will never ever mention any church after hearing the name of the true Christian organization which no religion can compete with in terms of performance! Matthew 5:14-16🙂

kayjordan:
I see the attestation of Christians over Jehovah's Witness.
In a nutshell: you claim most denominations, religions and likely "nature", are results of the devil...
If I may ask again: If there's another denomination similar to yours that considers your practice as "too extreme" or "NOT OF GOD BUT OF ANOTHER MAN'S CONSCIENCE" and they use the "same Bible" - would it be religiously correct to say there are "TWO ALMIGHTY GODS" rather than "ONE ALMIGHTY GOD"?

This is the reason why you need to know God's purpose first the authorship of the Bible.

God wants to use the Bible to gather all peace lovers throughout the world and see to it that they form one global and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} having the same line of thought. John 17:20-22

So there can never ever be another religion that will achieve this goal because it's on this ground that God has the moral justification to destroy all other people who are not part of this peaceful and happy global family. John 3:16

When God sent Jesus his mission was to help us know how to fish out {Mark 1:17} honest hearted and sincere individuals in all the nations of the earth. Matthew 28:18-20

kayjordan:
Pardon me! I'm very inquisitive.
The summary Questions:
Why did God create first generation unbelievers like Adam and Eve on his very own planet?

God did not intentionally create ingrates like Adam and Eve. His first creature is an angel who does everything that pleases Him and after so many years God decided to create more after all the first creature did well but by the time He created more that is when ingrates appeared among them.
God's first created being is called His only begotten Son {John 3:16} who always do things pleasing to Him {John 8:29} so as God's first born he is rightly called the first born of all creation! Colossians 1:15
So many angels like Satan and so many humans like Adam and Eve developed the evil trait due to their selfish desires!

kayjordan:
Why does God instruct killings of unbelievers despite the Commandnent that preaches against it?

Killing people is like depriving them of proving what sort of person they really are because God has set a date that He will destroy all evildoers {Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Proverbs 2:20-22} that is why He commanded that we should not kill anyone unless such a person becomes a threat to the lives of others.

So when the Bible says God destroys any person or city it's because such ones are becoming a threat to the lives of others who needed time to prove what sort of person they really are!

Explore2xmore:
The map analogy assumes the destination is already known. That is the very issue under discussion. Saying follow the true map already assumes which map is true.

The map in the illustration is not a book of any religion but your own God's given conscience!🙂

kayjordan:
In my educated opinion, hell is just a state of the mind.
While there are different definitions of hell, there's no solid conviction to prove hell is real - as no one has been to hell and back to give anyone a detailed account of what the place looks like. If anyone went there and back, it's safe to assume they went into a dream world or a comatose.

Don't waste your time with false religionists claiming Christian.

See how he judged you without asking to know what you have in mind:

Ken4Christ:
This one has booked permanent place in hell.

He is only back to distract you from the intelligent discussion we are having now!🙂

I've told you to take things one step after another.
Asking so many questions at the same time doesn't make sense.
So which of these questions is most important to you now?🙂

kayjordan:
Please note: You don't have to be a Christian, Muslim or Buddhist to practise "goodness". If one doesn't believe in your religion but practises goodness - he/she owes nothing.
If you claim God owns the planet and not the wicked inhabitants, then the question remains still: who created the inhabitants?
How did the inhabitants get into planet earth?
What's the relationship between God's planet and another spiritual being's creatures?
Why did God allow a spiritual opponent's creature trespass on his planet?
Why hasn't God "Almighty" removed the evil inhabitants he didn't create from his planet.
You also say that God uses people in his image to destroy unbelievers - yet the same God who instructs - "Thou shall not kill" - is directing his people to do the opposite of his own law.
And when unbelievers and believers question the "Christians in God's image" - why their God allows such, they would say "God mustn't be questioned".
Is God two-faced?
Now, another contradiction you made is highlighted by the Genesis story:
"Let there be light and there was light........And God created Adam.......And God created Eve from the rib of Adam.......
The above contradicts your denomination's preaching.
If God didn't create "unbelievers", then why did he create unbelievers like Adam and Eve on his very own "planet"?
Also why did God drop Lucifer from Heaven down to the pit of Hell, but allow same Lucifer entry into planet earth but not Heaven?

kayjordan:
It's good to know your denomination.
Your submission here clearly shows Christians are not speaking in one voice. If Christianity is CNN America, regardless the different types of TV sets (Teachers/Preachers), we should be able to get one "signal" (The Same Message). Yet, Christians are receiving different signals from the same God - and each denomination "expects" you to "believe" theirs is right. Then who can mediate the ongoing war in Christianity? Should we use scientists to do that? Or should people stay "neutral" by obey their body languages (Nature)...

Here you go again!🙂
The word "DENOMINATION" is a deceit from Satan to blind many people.
Since you opened this thread how many so called "Christians" have come to address you intellectually the way i handled the matter?🙂
Satan formed different religions so that sincere individuals will not be able to get the true Christians.
So those religions are not Christians but Satan's agents claiming Christians.

kayjordan:
The Golden Question is: Why can't Jehovah's Witness, Latter Day's Saints, Deeper Life and other Churches drop their "egos" and form a united front?
If you can't convert yourselves, how can you convert unbelievers?

How do you expect light and darkness to work together?
Please open your mind's eyes and stop calling false religions "Christians" for your information this is why God began calling His true worshipers by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Isaiah 65:15
But as for all false religionists God will exterminate them all.

See what people from different schools of thought are saying about the only true Christian organization:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Explore2xmore:
You don't understand the multiple sources that prove Alexander beyond word of mouth? The numerous archeological findings?

If you are traveling to somewhere will you always stop to throw stones at every barking dog?
You need to have a focus that is what can help you now not all information being passed around.
If you have a focus then you will know exactly what you are looking for.

For instance if you are going to a place you've never been before but you have a map in your possession you should be able to know when you are getting closer to your destination as you keep noticing all the features along your way not what different individuals are saying.

Your destination should be the group that's worshiping the one true God and if any religion failed in that respect whatever they are saying should be considered as the barking of dogs.

Note that it's not all barking dogs that are enemies yet all dogs barks so if you are not careful you won't know the difference between a dog that's giving you a warning sign and the one that's barking at you out of fear or due to rage.

So you need to have a destination first.

For instance after Jesus has preached and taught his disciples they asked him what will be their gain for following him. Note that all religions teaches that it's in heaven that you will know if you are practicing the true religion but that is not what Jesus told his own disciples rather he said if they are doing things correctly each will make brothers and sisters for himself or herself in 100 folds {Mark 10:28-30} this means they will have families in the faith throughout the world and there will be love among them. John 13:34-35

If your religion doesn't have a focusing point like that then whatever people are saying will be your driving force. Ephesians 4:14

kayjordan:
Based on your last bible verse:
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his (God's) children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation. ‭Deuteronomy 32:5 NIV‬"
If I may argue: If corrupt persons are not God's children, is it that: the "act" itself is not of God's creation - or the "children" are not of God's physical creation?

They are God's creation but developed that evil trait due to selfish desires.

kayjordan:
If the "act" is not of God and rather, is a creation of man himself, then man can defend that he (man) created himself - and no God created him.
Therefore man have the moral ground to dissociate from God - and God have no moral ground to destroy them nor impose Himself on them for He doesn't own them.

I love the way you are thinking now in fact that is what the Bible teach. God has no moral justification to destroy these humans since he claims they are not his children but the planet earth belongs to Him {Psalms 24:1} and He created it for peace loving people to inherit that is why He waited until those having His own attributes sufficed {Psalms 24:3-4}, they will serve as His moral justification to destroy evil people because He created the planet for such people not those who can't cohabit peacefully! Matthew 25:34
Today billions are fighting and killing their neighbors despite claiming they believe in God {Revelation 6:3-4} but if they truly believe in God they supposed to act in line with their beliefs {2Timothy 3:5} since God promised to judge evildoers! Psalms 37:7-11
So their actions speaks louder than their words {Matthew 7:16-18} they don't truly believe in God! Hebrews 11:6

kayjordan:
For you have mentioned, Christianity pleads...

YES! We plead to all kinds of people so we can find those whose hearts are pure but are now doing whatever it takes just to survive. Many of such ones are into bad habits but deep down in their hearts they are not like that it's the world around them that's molding them! 1Corinthans 6:9-11

kayjordan:
Hmm!
One can't think straight with "one" book and with "many" teachers - how many teachers are like "you" in Christianity to fulfill this purpose.
If I read all your Bible verses (which I will), I'll most likely re-interpret them based on my understanding.

I told you we are almost 9 million and we are in all nations throughout the world, of course if you read the same Bible verses you will interpret it like all other religions who have failed to make good use of God's word that's why we have those sent by Jesus to teach us the meaning of these scriptures. Matthew 28:19-20

kayjordan:
Also, how can Bible scriptures be hidden from false Religionists when it's visible in the bible? If I may ask, what's the new group name your Christianity has created?

Majority of people are greedy and selfish such motive will blind them since it's only meant for people who love their neighbors as themselves.
The new group name is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" {Isaiah 65:15} all the words Jesus foretold about his group are fulfilled in our midst today.

kayjordan:
Does this mean your new group has a long way to go? Because this sounds more like a revolution than an "existing religion".

Original Christianity was established by Jesus in the first century but shortlived due to attacks from Satan and his agents {Revelation 11:7} but the Bible was preserved through the ages until America declared freedom of speech, expression and worship. In the dark ages Satan's agents rendered people blind spiritually with human traditions they are worshiping Jesus not the true God and they continued to complicate issues for themselves {Matthew 15:7-9} but true Christians must love their neighbors as themselves {Mark 12:31} and people everywhere will notice that they have genuine love among themselves! John 13:34-35

honesttalk21:
I also reminded that the same bible calls mankind god. The point is compared to the almighty God aren't the biblically named Satan and mankind gods not lesser gods?

Satan is a mighty spirit creature who once lived in heaven but decided to be a God on his own and searching for worshipers among humans. Mankind is not god o rather those who made themselves gods are humans who are determined to dominate their fellow humans and make subjects or worshipers out of them.

However you haven't told me the lesser Gods controlling stronger Gods o!😟

kayjordan:
The solution to the false religion argument lye only in your hands. Only you can explain.

My guy there are millions of my fellow worshipers throughout the world that will tell you the same thing so i'm not alone in this!🙂

kayjordan:
You defend humans can't be likened to computers...
So, basically you imagine or predict that human thinking is bourne out of nothing - or you actually mean human thoughts are triggered by their environment - rendering both God and the Devil innocent. Is that correct?

Please don't drag us back!😟
I told you that the evil in the world today was born out of desire to dominate fellow intelligent beings.
Satan would have been innocent if not that he is the first creature who showed that trait and continued doing whatever pleases him even when it will affect others badly that is why he is not innocent. Humans doing the same became his agents because he set the pace for them.
God is the only innocent person here as the Creator who wants the best for us He keep warning us not to follow the traits that could lead us astray. Isaiah 48:17-18

Regarding intelligent beings who have developed that evil trait the Bible said:


They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his (God's) children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation. ‭Deuteronomy 32:5 NIV‬

@ Kayjordan
Now you see the difference between the true religion and false religions giving contradicting teachings. The true religion will make you feel the need to think straight not open to contradicting opinions. Matthew 7:28-29

Please whatever you have heard from me is written in the Bible but hidden from false religionists because though intellectuals they are but Satan's agents {Matthew 11:25} and for your information this message has gone round the world for a purpose:

To gather right thinking humans and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:20-4; Micah 4:1-3} in fact the group name Christians that Satan's agents polluted is what you know but the true God has given us another group name today! Isaiah 65:15

kayjordan:
Christianity is controversial in this context. Your interpretation is different from the basic interpretation which further creates various meanings.

I already told you that there is only one true religion whereas thousands false religions using different faces are out there and many of them are claiming CHRISTIANS. So it's time to know what the only true religion teaches!

kayjordan:
To fix this up:
Example: If Microsoft Corporation created Microsoft Computers, then who created the operating software for them? ..... is it the Software itself??
Please Answer.

Intelligent creatures are not computers unlike computers that has been programmed each intelligent creature have his or her own mind which can't be channeled towards what they don't want they will never do it well.

kayjordan:
Interesting!!!!
You're implying "Lucifer".
So, since "Lucifer" (if correct), developed his own thoughts - then who opened his eyes/thoughts just as he opened Eve's eyes?

Don't quote any book now otherwise you will continue to misapply what the Bible says based on what false religions have spread.

The name of the spirit who first showed this trait wasn't mentioned in the Bible people translated what the Bible called him to Lucifer but he was called "Shining One" due to his unique way of doing things among other angels who were all called "Morning Stars"

Angels are spirit children of God while humans are fleshy children of God the ingrates were found among angels and among humans nobody opened the eyes of anyone rather ingrates are unleashed to do what they already developed in their minds.

So when the Bible says the eyes of Adam and Eve were opened it's an irony they were given the freedom to go and do whatever pleases them but then they should know that God has removed their names from those who will live forever because they will die and there is no resurrection for them!

The ungrateful intelligent beings are among angels and humans!

They weren't created like that rather they developed it due to their improper thoughts!

kayjordan:
So who created the "desire" to dominate fellow intelligent beings?
And who are these "intelligent beings"?

kayjordan:
Okay, for the sake of brief comments.
Who or what is the beginning of the Devil?

The desire to dominate fellow intelligent beings!

Please let your post be precise so i can see your question or better still let me have only your question!

kayjordan:
Hmm!

God in the first place, is an unverified "spirit" which Atheist call a "concept".

My entire narration of God was to explain the subject-matter - not that I'm convinced of His existence.

To the point:

One: No religion taught me about religious wars - the news I read informed me about this.

You say Christianity is pleading/preaching - but in typical Lagos, I see "shouting". I guess, many Christians have their style of passing God's message.

Science is the study of the physical environment - while it's true that nature preceeds scientific study - it doesn't change the fact that the "study" teaches.

What you claim people discovered before the introduction of pure science is called "Traditional Science".

Before the enlightenment period, these discoveries were all the people had, till science as a body became fully developed to advance these traditional practises.

Modern Science which is the advancement of traditional science, is what we call physics, chemistry, biology which is being taught in schools today.

So what people discovered was the "traditional science" - and what we're taught today is the advancement of that traditional science.

The spirit "God" in the Bible was documented to have "Created a flood to kill unbelievers during the Noah's Ark period" - and also God was documented to have "Killed all male children in Egypt during the period of Pharaoh and Moses".

So if God is guilty of these, does it make him an "Evil Doer" or "Good God"?

If you meant the "Human body" have no business going to heaven - and their business is here on earth, then that's justified - but if you meant both "body" and "soul" have no business in heaven, but only on earth - then you practice a different type of Christianity that obviously doesn't speak the same language as the other denominations.

Scientific knowledge is sold because it's a transactional world. The genenis story in the bible state that man will "never" work - but when man sinned, he had no other choice than to work.

Therfore, all resources of the earth meant to help mankind for "free" is forbidden thereafter, for man will pay or work for anything on earth be it a food, clothing or shelter.

However, there's a spiritual belief called "Humanism" that doesn't believe in a god, but believes in using resources of the earth to help mankind.

You're obviously not a Humanist - if I'm correct.

The work of Satan is the work of God. There's a deliberate collaboration between both spiritual beings - especially in the story of Job and Jesus Christ where both biblical character's nature were tested.

So if the devil is the author of evil - who or what is the beginning of the devil?

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