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The prophets were sent to warn Israel and God continue to send prophets to do that consistently but the Israelites did not yield to the warning:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.  Look! Your house is abandoned to you" Matthew 23:37-38

From the above Jesus clearly stated that the Israelites as a nation has been condemned by God for all their atrocities towards His prophets.

Kobojunkie:
Confusion? See this is why I hate religion. When caught in a lie, they resort to more lies and contradictions. The end of Jerusalem was prophesied from about 500 years before the fact. And throughout that period, literally prophet that was sent provided more and more details of what was to come, down to the battle at Megiddo to take place when all the nations would go to war only to lose. The Judaens new what was coming that is why they took to killing the prophets hoping to silence the voices of doom. And they knew they did not succeed at all when Jesus Christ of Israel showed up.

Kobojunkie:
The Pharisees and priests of the time knew from 2000 years ago, that Jesus Christ of Israel, in this context, was specifically referring to them— not the entire Jewish nation.

The whole nation was in confusion and the Pharisees were exploiting them as the people were eagerly anticipating a Messiah who will deliver them from the hands of their colonial masters (Rome)
So when they realize that Jesus was fulfilling some scriptures pointing to the Messiah they decided to make him king by force {John 6:15} but Jesus declined their offer.
WHY?
Because there has been destined a period of time God decided to give the nations to dominate the Israelites {Luke 21:24} it's when that time is completed that the Messiah could act as God's Executioner over the faithless people {Luke 19:27} until then God's people must humbly take the message of salvation to all the nations and see no one as enemies who is unworthy of salvation {Matthew 5:43-48} that is what the Jews doesn't want, they wanted God to destroy all nations that refuses to submit to them as they count themselves to be more important to God than all others.
So when Jesus said the nation and their temple has being condemned by God {Matthew 24:1-3 compare to Luke 21:20-24} he was quoting the scriptures as witness against the nation. God warned their ancestors that when the Messiah comes they must welcome all his teachings as God's word {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever refuses to accept him will be condemned {Deuteronomy 18:19} that is exactly what they did, they got really mad at him and condemned Jesus before Pontius Pilate saying they want him dead! Matthew 27:15-25
So don't be confused the nation of Israel has been condemned by God and any previous promises God made to them as been transferred to another nation producing the fruit of salvation {Matthew 21:43} Paul said this in his letter to Romans who accepted Jesus as the Christ explaining that all the promises God made to the Jews aren't meant for natural Jews but spiritual Jews that is people who became Jews by faith in Christ Jesus! Romans 2:25-29

So who are those studying the Bible with you?
The Bereans were formerly Judaists but they were not satisfied with miracles as the Thessalonians quickly jumped at the Apostle after seeing them perform supernatural acts so they already believe in the scriptures before Paul explained more accurately to them they wouldn't have searched what they are not used to.

FxMasterz:
Nobody is saying you should not study with others. But even when studying with others, be a Berean. The Bereans didn't believe Paul until they search the scriptures themselves with all sincerity. Eventually, they followed Christ and their faith grew.

FxMasterz:
The Pharisees also had their own gatherings and doctrines. They held on to their doctrunes without searching the Scriptures like the Bereans did. They missed Christ.
Be a Berean. Otherwise, you'll follow lied religiously while missing Christ.

Pharisees can be likened to what we call theology schools today as each of them has students under their schools that is why the Bible mentioned the name of Paul's Rabbinic teacher "Gamalliel" {Act 22:3; 5:34} all of them teaching something similar yet there are sharp differences leading to many contradictions among them just as you have it in Christendom Churches today but they all agree on the Trinity one way or another claiming Jesus is God Almighty.
So in the face of confusion like this how can one be like a Beroean?
You have to search the scriptures to see if those teaching you are fulfilling what God promised in the scriptures since there is a purpose for which God gathered worshipers for Himself {Matthew 28:19 compare to Isaiah 43:9} any group that's meeting up with such a fulfillment is God's organization that's what the Beroeans did not just criticizing here and there.
Moreover note that they are Beroeans which means they were a group already learning as students of the scriptures what they searched the scriptures to ascertain is why they are leaving Judaism for the teachings of the Apostles!

FxMasterz:
Should my sincere understanding of Scripture be rejected if I'm in a quest to absolutely align with the Bible?
Should I be lost in my bid to be absolutely correct with God instead of man?

The truth is each of you wants to stand on his personal resolution after you've read the Bible that is what led to many teachers contradicting themselves.
God is not wicked so He warned us not to really on our own understanding {Proverbs 3:5} but to study with others before concluding on what the scripture is teaching. Act 8:31
God is not for disorder {1Corinthans 14:33} that is why Jesus prayed that we have the same line of thought {John 17:22} that can't be possible if everyone wants to be his own personal teacher of God's word.
So there are two qualities that will help us:

HUMILITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Humility in the sense that we should be willing to yield as we see our fellow believers agree upon the interpretation of scriptures when their interpretation is producing fine fruit but when we insist that God must talk to each of us personally then humility is no longer their because that means there shouldn't be teachers among Christians after all everyone can learn from God directly.
Now this how God will judge such individuals:
If you're not willing to be boy boy for anyone it's OK but then you shouldn't expect anyone to be boy boy under you, you should welcome everyone as independent teachers of God's word who don't need you to teach them but once you disagree with that idea then what you are judging them for will come back to you! Matthew 7:1-4

The only human whose teacher we can not see is Jesus but he keeps telling us that there is someone who is teaching him so all glory and honor goes to that person. John 5:30

It's Satan who doesn't want to be boy boy for anyone not even for his Creator that's why Jesus said Satan fabricates everything by himself as his own teacher {John 8:44} but he has many followers having the same attitude like him they are never ready to be boy boy for anyone yet they want others to be their boy boy!🙂

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ of Israel, never once condemned the Jews for killing him.

Jesus said:
This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. Matthew 23:37-38

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24

Of course Jesus condemned and made it clear to the Jews that they have been condemned that's why he told his own disciples to forget about Jerusalem and focus on wherever they are welcomed.

Kobojunkie:
As a matter of fact, according to the Gospels and the Book of Acts, after His resurrection, Jesus Christ of Israel went around preaching and teaching His disciples (aside from the initial 11 disciples, famously known) for a period of about 40 days, preaching in the land to the Jews.

After his resurrection Jesus didn't talk to anyone again apart from his disciples so he never preached to anyone again after his death!

The word ANTICHRIST means against Christ so it's like having a wall clock that is working towards the opposite direction it's called "ANTICLOCKWISE" the same applies to the people who are claiming Christians but are doing all their things the opposite direction.

So the AntiChrist is a religion claiming they believe in Christ but practicing what Christ condemned.

The Jews never accepted Christ so they can't be the AntiChrist.

bobestman:
I will chose a single teacher who is intune with his Creator.

That's you while i will choose a group whose product is worthwhile globally!🙂

Truthseeker10:
Lol....thank you for informing us that your God is responsible for the rape and killing on earth.

That's what he's been teaching and he's gotten lots of students swallowing this o!🤣

Just imagine what someone is saying o!🙂
QUESTION:

Truthseeker10:
So God has been killing and raping God on earth?

ANSWER:

sonmvayina:
sound weird, but it is true.....

And that's sound teaching!🤣

sonmvayina:
That's what i do any time i have an opportunity. They are always happy to learn.I teach them the messages in the story and that is what they take away and live by...The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life....

Until they are assembled and noticed by everyone you remain a liar!🙂

Most times people don't realize they are empty barrels!

Kingsland24:
90percent of Nigerian pastors and Alfa will never make Heaven

No single human addressed as "Pastor" is going to heaven real disciples of Christ were taught never to bear titles along with their name!🙂

bobestman:
How can a person who don't know the difference between what is written in the bible and my own words teach me?. Its not today that I have been teaching you bible. Remember I once told you I will teach your GB who brainwashed you people

Wisdom is what you lack but here is it.

If you want to enroll yourself in school for knowledge which will you choose between these two:

A group of men who has scholars being taught by them from all over the world or a single self acclaimed teacher who has no students at all?

The GB has gotten followers in millions throughout the earth and their students are doing fine in all societies they could be found so if you are now claiming you can teach such a group on Nairaland what else should you be compared to if not an empty barrel?🤣

Your questions can give liars BP walahi!🤣

Truthseeker10:
So God has been killing and raping God on earth?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that there is no difference in meaning in Greek between the "God" used for Jesus in John 1:1 and the "god" used for the Devil in 2 Corinthians 4:4?

He don japa!🤣

It's OK my guy if you don't believe what the Bible says there is no need arguing aimlessly.
Joseph was handsome that's why his master's wife wanted to have sex with him surely if she was single and Joseph approached her she wouldn't have given it a second thought.
And regarding the sticks that turned into snakes this is what God's word said:

However, Pharʹaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and the magic-practicing priests of Egypt also did the same thing with their magic. Each one threw down his rod, and they became big snakes; but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods. Exodus 7:11-12

Please i'm sorry if my comments have made you annoyed but then you don't have to quote me if you don't believe in what is WRITTEN in the Bible!🙂

QuinQQ:
1.You were asked to cite where a man needed a woman to fall in love with him before he married her. You can't. Not even to just have sex with him
2. Magic is deception. The Eifel tower was there all along. Likewise stick did not actually turn into snake. It is called sleight of hand

QuinQQ:
2. What prevents angels from still creating bodies and marrying human females?

They have learned their lessons but in modern times these demons still make bodies for themselves instead of forming bodies that are unknown they photocopy those who are still young but died that's why you are hearing of living dead getting married and having kids!

QuinQQ:
1. Again, where in OT do you see a woman "fall in love" before a man married her - from Genesis all the way to Malachi? Even include NT

Women in Bible times also get attracted to good looking men:

He eventually left everything that was his in Joseph’s care, and he gave no thought to anything except the food he was eating. Moreover, Joseph grew to be well-built and handsome. Now after these things, the wife of his master began to cast her eyes on Joseph and say: “Lie down with me.” Genesis 39:6-7

So women in Bible times also love men who are good looking.

QuinQQ:
2. Do you know the definition of "magician"? How do you think David Blaine made the Eiffel Tower disappear?

Magic is the work of demons so if they can make life snakes out of sticks then they can equally make bodies out of dust!

As you are not Adeboye or Kumuyi or Olukoya ọmọ you no get holy ghost!🤣

Janosky:
If you had a choice you won't allow John 20:17 in your own Bible.
Oga, do you have more knowledge than Jesus Christ whose teaching at John 20:17 & John 13:16 conflicting against your claims?
Oga, is the knowledge of John 13:16 & John 20:17 inspired by holy spirit?

QuinQQ:
Wow, this one is too much.
1. Where in OT do you see that a woman needs to "fall for" a man before he married her (slept with her in this case, not really marriage as we think of it)
2. If Angels (falen angels, demons) can create bodies why do they crowd into one person and Jesus sent them into pigs?

The Bible said they took the ladies as wives for themselves and all that they choose. Common sense tells us that women don't marry just any man that speaks to them so those angels surely have what it takes to make any lady fall in love at first sight.
I asked you a question.

When God told Moses to cast his rod on the floor and it became a snake the magicians in Egypt did the same thing.
We know God is the one behind Moses but who was behind those magicians in Egypt because they turned sticks into snakes o!😟

So how do you know the person who is having the holy spirit?
Is it by following what is widely accepted but fruitless?🙂

ichuka:
Dude without the Spirit of God, you can't discern/understand or interpret the Bible that's the truth.
The Bible is a close without His Spirit in you period

When you choose to fight against your God's given conscience!😟

We are no part of the world! John 17:14

QuinQQ:
Where does the Bible say all these - they created their own bodies, females fell for them, etc. Honestly you don't sound adult.

Are you now satisfied that the angels weren't the giants?
Creating their own bodies is the sacred secret you need to figure out yourself if you feel it's a lie but as for ladies falling for them here is it:


When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. ‭Genesis 6:1-2 NIV

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. KJV

Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. NWT‬

So the Bible said all the ladies they talked to fell for them.

QuinQQ:
You folks ought do a simple Google search b4 asking some of these questions. See below
And how is that physically possible? It's like you and a female insect. See their description by the poster above:
3000 cubits, which is over 4,500 feet which makes the giants over 1,370 meters, far taller than modern skyscrapers at 828 meters.

NO!
You missed the point!
The angels weren't giants otherwise no normal girl will find them attractive the Bible actually said all the girls they asked out fell for them which means they looked like normal humans but with irresistible charming looks.
These angels don't have bodies but each knows how to form a body for himself all he needs to do is possess that body after designing what he wants for himself.
Imagine if you are to determine your own looks as in physical appearance.
We know people are doing that today as they go through plastic surgeries so the angels designed bodies and put it on its after copulating with female humans that those girls got pregnant and gave birth to children who keeps on growing into giants because they are not product of normal human semens!😟

But that's the same expression you are applying to Jesus o claiming he is God!😀

MetalJigsaw:
That's not saying we will share in his Glory and literally become equal to God. If that's what you're assuming.

QuinQ:
Do what? "It" doesn't exist and has absolutely no meaning for them.

What are humans doing on planet Mars?
You people forgot that Satan is working tirelessly to raise rebels both on planet earth and in heaven.
What could have made angels abandon their dwelling places in heaven and come to planet earth if nothing attracts them?

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

You can read this in any version of your choice. Angels actually left heaven for sex with female humans! Genesis 6:1-2😟

You confused guy.
Go to any school as in any around you and tell students Bible characters aren't real people then come back and share your experience?🤣

sonmvayina:
explained what? that's explanation would not be given by an SS3 student at all. please can you Read the passage again ? stop talking like a 10 year old....

Melagros:
Then which one is our root sir

According to the Bible Catholic Church is a political group disguising back then as a church of Christ the real Christians never had anything to do with politicians and that is what Catholics are!😟

sonmvayina:
ok

Alright!🙂

cornelboy:
You didn't ask about his wife.

You want to use overload to kill him.

How do you expect him to know that Jesus can't have children without a wife?

Well let them continue arguing because even if we show them in the Bible that Jesus has a wife through whom he became the everlasting father they will still argue blindly!🙂