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Emusan:
Shut up, you're forcing it!
Not when you're even posting an apostate video as evidence.
Shameless lying liar JWs!

You don't know the meaning of FORCE!

I presented my beliefs you asked questions and i answered then you said you're not satisfied so i told you it's not compulsory that you believe but you keep pestering me saying it's a wrong belief.

Now who is forcing his opinion?
I that i have something to present or you that feels no one should present his beliefs as long as it differs from what the majority believe?

MightySparrow:
I feel that 1914 and all it's appendages are not right. I don't quite agree with it.
.cheers

It's OK since no one is forcing this on anyone each person will have to choose what to believe.
Thanks!

Aemmyjah:
Look at this Preface of the Revised Standard Version Bible

"The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church"

Imagine the audacity
If it were a human literature, such translators would have lose billions in law suit.

That's how patient Jehovah is!

Westerhoffe:
I should be the one telling you your problem was your version and its translations.
Because about 20 translations said it is "LORD!"
You should throw that version of yours into the fireplace.
It's misleading you and its readers.

Israelites know the NAME of their God and Jesus taught them in the NAME of that God but it's a pity that you think you're worshiping the God of a foreign nation yet you don't know His name!

Westerhoffe:
Deuteronomy 6 (KJV)
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⁴ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
⁵ And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Mark 12 (KJV)
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²⁹ And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
LORD, LORD, LORD.
You see why I say your doctrines does not teach to hallow the name of GOD?
And before you scream the Greek version, it translates as kyrios also meaning, LORD.
Son, you need to start hallowing the name of GOD and not mention it anyhow without respect and honour.

When i said your problem is translators you said i am giving you an epistle now is your turn to bring an epistle.

Ọmọ that's what my own Bible say!

Westerhoffe:
Leave the long epistle.
Show me where JESUS CHRIST mentioned the name of the FATHER in the Bible. That's all I ask. What's so difficult in that?
You even had to post a Youtube video link?
SO HILARIOUS!

This is the Bible book of Mark 12:29-30

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength"

He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength

Thanks for your time!

Aemmyjah:
The founder slapped a girl once, saying she's a witch🤷‍♂️

Well that's too bad!

Negroid001:
Got a first hand experience of this today when a elderly man dressed in Sunday's best going to church with his family slapped his wife in public in my street. To my utmost disappointment, observers around ignored them, all of them moving about their daily activities like nothing happened.
I walked past the man and from a safe distance shouted at him "See person wey dey go church dey slap him wife, and you be apostle for church o"
He was embarrassed and said how is it my business.
I replied and asked what example he was setting for his kids. I've seen him distrbute winners pamphlets on many occasions and i have always declined collecting it. I'm proud to say i don't regret.

Maybe the founder of his church used to slap members for their errors but that doesn't mean all his church members will imitate such!

Jesus began ruling in the year 1914 and since then the world has not remain the same:

Follow me as we read together Matthew chapter 24:

“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. Verse 7-13

So what will end it all?

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Verse 14

God's people are going throughout the world with the message of God's kingdom.
Welcome a free home Bible study and gain the knowledge that leads to everlasting life. John 17:3
See you then when all badness is gone for good! Psalms 37:9-11

Aemmyjah:
Just ignore him
He's confused
He's just trying to confuse others to believe that there are 2 equal Gods or that there's only one God who happens to be his own son and representative and Word
If Jesus called Peter and the rest as his brothers, are they brothers of God?

He surely doesn't understand what he's saying yet he is puffed up with pride to argue blindly!

Westerhoffe:
JESUS CHRIST throughout the Bible never for once mentioned the name of the FATHER for the sake of keeping it hallowed.
JESUS CHRIST through the Bible called GOD, GOD/FATHER and taught the disciples/Apostles same.

Churchians like you are just puffed up with no knowledge and instead of you to learn humbly you will be accusing real disciples of Christ.
Check your version of the Bible and read the preface to find out what was written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

[b]“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
The name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH appeared three times in that passage but since Pharisees and Sadducees decided to stop using the divine name they replaced it with "Adonai" which means "Lord" that is why Jesus continue to lay emphasis on the use and mention of God's name:

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your NAME be sanctified" Matthew 6:9

 “I have made your NAME manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17:6

So when Jesus quoted Moses's words at Deuteronomy 6:4 he mentioned God's name:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ Mark 12:30-31

So my churchian guy go now and check the preface of your copy of the Bible instead of arguing blindly because Jesus mentioned and used God's name throughout his ministry by referring to God as father simply means that is the father of all creations!
Read Luke 3:23-38 Jesus is supposed to be the son of Joseph who is the son of Adam who is the son of God!

Westerhoffe:
The Apostles upheld the same and hallowed the name of GOD the FATHER all their lives, and you want me to follow your beliefs which does not honour or hallow the name of GOD the FATHER?

You just ain't making any sense to me by your comments.[/b]

Who told you the Apostles don't used God's name in their ministry?
Oya check your Bible and see where Peter quoted David @ Act 2:34-35 compare to Psalms 110:1
There David sang saying:

"JEHOVAH said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZry54E0bWg?si=jVaSGSAeUS-iqu1x

But the translators of your own version chose to follow the tradition of Pharisees and Sadducees that's why they used Adonai (Lord) to replace God's name hence when you're reading that passage your won't know that someone was issuing orders for Jesus you will just conclude erroneously that the LORD who is the shepherd David meant @ Psalms 23:1 is Jesus instead of JEHOVAH.
So study your Bible personally by comparing what you find in the preface about the divine name with the passages.
Wherever you see the LORD all in capital letters it was God's name that was there originally that's why Psalms 110:1 will confuse most churchians like you because it's obvious that it's about two persons where the greater is giving orders to the lesser!

Aemmyjah:
Well, Jesus is Mighty God
There's only one true God who alone is Almighty and father of all, Jehovah...

He doesn't want to hear or mention the name of the only true God when Jesus himself spoke, preached and taught in that name! John 17:6, 26

So let him continue deceiving himself!

Westerhoffe:
What are you still arguing and explaining agains after you have confirmed that JESUS CHRIST is GOD?
All the long sentences are pointless now.
You admitted that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, and later you started arguing He is not GOD.
Who does that?
Oh!
I've forgotten JWs does.

It's not bad to console yourself though!

Aemmyjah:
2520- 607= 1913
But that will be wrong calculation cos the 607 is in BCE and years were counted backwards not forwards unlike today and we are not removing 607 from 2520 but 2520 years from 607. But it will still lead us to 1913...
This is because there was no zero year
After 1BCE is 1 CE
From 607 BCE to 1BCE = 606 years
From 1CE to 1914 = 1914 years
From 607 BCE to 1914 = 2520 years
Therefore 2520 years from 607 BCE arrives at 1914, the year Jesus began his invisible rule and the world entered its last days after Satan was expelled with the demons and the whole world entered the first world War.
It's of no use arguing with someone that does has no good knowledge of history, common English sentence and dates. Arguing blindly and never contributing anything meaningful on Nairaland cos of mad envy

Ọmọ i have presented it to him so let him go and fight his pastors for not being able to gather fully competent and completely equiped Bible scholars like JWs!

Aemmyjah:
You are not correcting anything cos the scriptures consistently says that Jesus is the Son of God and there is only one God.
Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalms 45:6,7... Who was speaking to who
You earlier quoted 1 Corinthians where you yourself said there's only one God and only one Lord.
You're just confused cos you don't know whether there's 2 Gods, three Gods or 1 God
Even God himself called Moses God though he was his spokesman

Your friend quoted Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear o Israel Jehovah your God is one Jehovah!

But because translators of the version in his hand have removed God's name and replaced it with LORD he is confused!

Aemmyjah:
Peace chasing what deludes them - peace
No peace for the apostates wicked - says my God

He wants to die simply because he is not able to fit in God's arrangement so he is bitter that intelligent people are working with God's organization.

Ọmọ i can feel his pains the way he's always running around looking for ways to insult and curse JWs just because we are sticking to our faith!

Emusan:
Of course it's not by force

Period!

Westerhoffe:
So, why didn't the Bible use, "A GOD' instead of 'ONE GOD'?

Both means the same thing jọọ!

Guy no be by force o!

If you won't agree with JWs listen to those guys they are not JWs o!

Emusan:
And you can't provide the same scriptures here so you and I can see it
Or the scriptures disappeared on your Bible?

You agree they are using scriptures
Why did Watchtower not go with scriptures about the age of the universe but went with archeologist?

Emusan:
So to provide evidence that support your claim is what that hard you to do
Well I know why you can't do that

Westerhoffe:
Then show me where the Bible uses "a God" to address GOD.
Your inability to understand these things is dangerous.

Guy go and arrest your English teacher!

A God is tantamount to One God which Paul used @ 1Corinthians 8:5-6

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthians 8:5-6

The highlighted in blue simply means a God!

Emusan:
The agony of a sore loser
That was Watchtower delusion.
Provide both God's Word and historical documents that support it.
God PA I site you
Well one of the false prophets is TC Russell
Then provide the verse where God said it.
How it that hard for you to do?

Ọmọ no be by force nah!

Emusan:
The only realisable source for him is a young man on YouTube
After he led that God gave a SPECIFIC DATE that the Jews left Babylon.
O ya provide the verse, he referred me back to the young man on YouTube.
Technically, the young man on YouTube is more reliable than scripture
Very pathetic!

OK you're seeing only the young man shey?

Well both men aren't JWs yet they are telling critics that JWs are correct using scriptures to prove it.
So if you're still not OK then you're free to take your leave no one is forcing this on you!

Courz:
There is archeological evidence for 587 Bce. Where is the archeological evidence for 607Bce? This is what Mad MaxinDhouse cannot answer. How come Watchtower relies on archeological evidence when proving the existence of Bible characters but refuses to accept archeological evidence for 587BCe?

Mad MaxinDhouse, show us evidence to back up 607bce.

Address me properly or i will ignore you.

It's not by force if you don't share my beliefs but calling me names due to my beliefs is not acceptable!

Westerhoffe:
In case you do not understand, they don't use "a God" for the GOD or Heaven… it is only used for idols/gods which are not the Supreme GOD.

Hope you're learning now?

Guy a God and God means the same thing jọọ!

It's like saying a Doctor and Doctor guy this is really getting hilarious!

Courz:
There is archeological evidence for 587 Bce. Where is the archeological evidence for 607Bce? This is what Mad MaxinDhouse cannot answer. How come Watchtower relies on archeological evidence when proving the existence of Bible characters but refuses to accept archeological evidence for 587BCe?

Mad MaxinDhouse, show us evidence to back up 607bce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiJP1JkxsQ?si=82uRI74dW2LAqFcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdDvys2z6k?si=nTReVo2Wx__Quest

Emusan:
Where did that 1 come from?

This is what you said @OP "So the 2520 days will be 2520 years counting from 607 B.C.E. it ended in the year 1914."

So where did that 1 you added coming from.

You don't count and later ADDED, that's fraud

You go cry tire!

Seven times of the gentiles ended from 2520 BCE in the year 1914.
*Jesus was given the order to start ruling in the midst of his enemies! Psalms 110:1-3
*He sacked Satan in heaven! Revelations 12:7-9
*War began on earth! Matthew 24:7
*Followed by famine and diseases!
*False prophets sprang up on the earth!
*People betray people!
*His disciples continued to preach peace till today! Matthew 24:7-14

All these began since 1914!

Emusan:
You didn't answer

Here it is again,

2520-607 = ?

Lying that there is a year between BC and AD shameless man

2520-607+1=1914

Emusan:
This shows how ignorance you are about history. The last year on BCE is 1BC and the first year in CE is 1CE there's no YEAR in between
Provide where anyone ever used a year IN BETWEEN BCE & CE
Your calculation is wrong reason why you're committing historical fraud of ADDING ONE YEAR to 1913 to make it 1914.
607 busted as Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC
Even your dubious 2520-607 = 1913 got busted again

Your question has been answered it's not compulsory you believe it!

Emusan:
There's no any year between BC and AD stop this lie haba
It's like saying there's a year between 1st century and 2nd century
Kai brainwashing is too bad
Now you know 2520-607 = 1913 and not 1914.

So the year in between the last century in BCE and the first century in CE should be 0 years shey?

Guy you can't do anything to that it's 1914 so if you're not OK with it there's no problem you're free to leave no one is forcing it on you!

Westerhoffe:
Good question.
From the record of the Book of Enoch.

God and a God is there any difference?

Emusan:
Smile...

My question is 2520-607=

In case you have problem with your calculator you can use the one below

There is no 0 year so the year between the last century BCE and the first century CE must be added that's what makes it 1914.

Emusan:
Read my post again if you see any question(s) there you answer it.

My post addressed the followings:

1. 607BC isn't the year Jerusalem was destroyed as it doesn't have any historical and archeological support.

2. Archeological discovery and scholarly works support 587BC as the year Jerusalem was destroyed.

3. Even if given you the year 607BC by subtracting it from your dubious calculation of 2520years it will be 1913 not 1914.

It's simple mathematics 2520-607=1913

4. Lastly, you lied against God that God says 2520days will become 2520years by citing Num 14:34 & Eze 4:6 of which what God said in those verses was directly on the issue God was addressing not any other things.

So bring your evidence against those 4 points as derived from OP.

I'm not here to argue with you about my beliefs so what exactly is your question?