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Emusan:
You're still lying after what was boldly written on this thread.

So you think when the Bible said God is mighty in battle it means humans have PHYSICAL weapons to participate shey? Psalms 24:8

You're just anxious to argue for nothing!

Sirmwill:
The book of Enoch
Some of you are reading Fiction

There is no book of Enoch!

Aemmyjah:
The Book of Enoch says that it was 200 angels that rebelled against God and slept with women. Ask him if that is true

They don't know how to focus on what is really important so it's better you leave them alone!

Emusan:
Coming from a liar JWs like his father the Devil who once claimed that Armageddon is not a physical war

Guy Armageddon is never and will not be a physical war!

Aemmyjah:
Jude could have quoted from a fictitious source and it will be among the books of the Bible?

Satan is very intelligent!

All these arguments about Enoch being a writer is just to authenticate some information that's found in some random book claimed to have been written by Enoch it's not about what Jude actually said about Enoch that Satan is working at for now!

FxMasterz:
Jude quoted Enock word for word.

When talking about INSPIRATION it doesn't have to be quoting someone else rather most cases the inspired writer is talking about what happened that is not open nor written.

For instance only Jude wrote about what Satan tried to do with the body of Moses when angels were sent to bury him which now shows that it was God Himself that came down to bury Moses rather angels did it as God's messengers!

Again Jude was inspired to tell us what angels that left heaven for what is unnatural for them faced!

Again Jude was inspired to tell us that it wasn't only Sodom and Gomorrah that perished that time but towns and cities around them also got the same kind of judgement.

So when he talked about Enoch it doesn't mean that Enoch who lived before Noah wrote any book rather it's what he told his contemporaries which angels must have recorded as his testimony against that wicked generation that he is talking about.

Satan is very intelligent he would quickly use some good for nothing humans as his agents to fabricate some writings and name it after Enoch then imput what Jude said to make you feel the rest of the misinformation also stems from Enoch!

Westerhoffe:
This comment makes no sense.

Well you and all your cohorts making demands forgot one vital point:

All Muslims globally agreed on the terms given on this forum so Seun can't go against it but as for your own terms it's not generally accepted among those claiming Christians.
Farewell!

Westerhoffe:
That it is not added does not render it invalid.

Since it's not added then it's completely useless to the Christian faith!

Westerhoffe:
But unfortunately, there is no iota of wisdom in your comments here. Right from your misinterpretations of the Bible to the attempt to save face with damage control.
I didn't want to say this earlier because I wanted to see your reaction to the 'derail' comment and you didn't disappoint.
Several people had made similar requests for Christian equal rights to religious belief protection but it's been declined; and I recall Seun making a post/comment about it.
So, don't try to make any damage control by shying off your erroneous misinterpretations of the Bible.

Perhaps you need to go back to your senator passing a bill illustration because anyone can wake up and come to the house with any bill but the first thing the house will put into consideration is the population of those that may raise objection against such a move.
So you should have considered all other groups claiming Christians. Are they all of the same opinion that Jesus is God Almighty?

If not then you're not representing all those claiming Christians!

Aemmyjah:
Jude could have quoted from a fictitious source and it will be among the books of the Bible?

Now you know why only JWs are able to work as an ORGANIZED people in doing what Jesus taught all others are tossed about with every wind of teaching {Ephesians 4:14} as they failed to stand firm for what is inspired! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Westerhoffe:
Cease going through reviews and hearsay and replying me using those.
Go and read the Book of Enoch and the Secrets of Enoch. Then you come tell me what you find there.

What part of the Bible can this book be found Old or New Testament?

Westerhoffe:
You sha want to derail the thread…

I only came to help you gain wisdom because if you want to speak on behalf of all believers in Christ you have to be on a totally neutral ground where all those claiming believers agree then Seun will have no option than to comply.
Imagine if all those claiming Christians should shun Nairaland today because the forum is against for the goodwill of believers in Christ do you think this forum will continue to generate the same type of traffic we have now?
That's what i'm saying!

Aemmyjah:
MaxInDHouse, come and see o
English is not for everyone
Who taught you English again

Solid food is for mature Christians not babies!

As you mentioned Armageddon with 1914 he taught you're implying that it has taken place already. That's why most of them can't gain insight. Jesus foretold that when he begin his kingdom rule in heaven (1914) the following events will lead to the end of all badness which is Armageddon! Matthew 24:7-14

But an antagonist who already concluded in his mind that you're wrong won't listen to gain insight!

Bestbrain123:
MATT 7 21~23 the truth is Jesus never specifically said "I AM GOD"

So he was a God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but never to be worshiped in place of God the Almighty!

Aemmyjah:
It could be under inspiration
Or it was known among the Jews
Where did the writers of Enoch get information from? Especially regarding a man who lived 5000 years ago

When God's people are talking i bow!

Before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses i don't understand what it means to be called "God's people" because i was confused as to what is inspired and how to recognize inspired writings but after i began studying with Jehovah's Witnesses i discovered a lot of sacred secrets.
One secret is that among God's ancient people the first writer whose writings were regarded as inspired is Moses and God revealed all the things that has happened prior to the time Israelites got to Egypt. So with the great miraculous works God did through Moses who walked among the Israelites as a God {Exodus 7:1} there can't be any Israelite who will raise his mouth to speak against the writings of the first prophet God called among the Israelites: Moses! Deuteronomy 34:10

Before Moses there was no inspired writings all what God's people had back then was mouth to mouth information which was never accurate.
So when Jude referred to Enoch he wasn't talking about a literal book written by Enoch rather he was referring to what Moses said about Enoch in the scriptures it was as if Enoch wrote books as his testimony against his generation made God to end his life abruptly for him not to continue being taunted by the evildoers of his time.
But you know whenever Satan gets to find any reason to mislead unbelievers he will set up a stumbling block before them just as he tried to turn Moses into an idol after his death what demons often do is to photocopy the physic of someone and put it on to appear before others so even though the person is dead the demons will make their audience believe that the dead is somewhere alive {1Samuel 28:16-19} Jude was inspired to warn us that Satan tried the same with the body of Moses but Michael did not allow him! Jude 1:9

Westerhoffe:
Ask a Senator why he/she proposes a bill.

OK Seun is your national assembly!

Westerhoffe:
Well, don't try to change the narrative. It's too late for that now.

On Seun granting the request or not, you should have known there might be some reasons why Seun won't, or might not want to grant it.

1. Seun is an Atheist who does not believe in the Christian GOD, beliefs or views.
2. I am not the only one or the first to make that request but which he has refused to grant.
3. Seun 'might be trying to avoid it based on requests from others who do not want Christians having such'.
4. Seun 'might be avoiding giving that privilege as other religions too might clamour for theirs.
5. I might be right with the above speculations.
6. I might be wrong with the above speculations.
7. That's why I included the clause Looking forward to seeing this implemented, because I know it can be granted or rejected.

Hope you grab?

So why make the request in the first instance?

Don't tell people around you but be on the watch for someone who may come around in search of lost money, ask such a person how much is he or she looking for but if no one came then it must have fallen from you!

Westerhoffe:
MaxInDHouse, you know what, just stop already because you just keep complicating things for yourself with your explanations which are just contradicting one another.
Just ignore this thread now.

That's why Seun can't grant your request as it's not all those claiming Christians agreed on your terms!

Bestbrain123:
JESUS WAS NEVER A God.. he claim he is... and thats what churchians are still trying to prove him right..( if not he couldn't had deny what he said earliar IN VERSE 30 of John10) he is just an ordinary man trying to show you hw to live this life in his own philosophy.

Can you quote where Jesus specifically said "I am God"

It's OK do enjoy the rest of your day!

Emusan:
Nobody asked your story Mr storyteller.
Stop lying.
This is what you just said "God's word gave us the specific date when the Jews left Babylon ..."
Let's even say the sound man QUOTED God's Word, do you mean you don't know WHERE THE GOD'S WORD was written?
He doesn't have anything worthwhile to say.
Archeological evidence surpassed any random person.
For summary!
You can't provide where God's Word stated the SPECIFIC DATE the Jews left Babylon.
You go with a random young man because his video suits your narrative and discard the vast evidence provided by the archeologist.
God is wonderful

Emusan:
Can you imagine.
You claimed God's Word gave SPECIFIC DATE the Jews left Babylon and I asked you to provide it. You direct me bark to YOUR YOUNG MAN on YouTube.
So your YOUNG man is more accurate than God's Word, right?

I only gave you audience on this because you showed interest in 1914 but if you're annoyed that i quoted you then i will leave you alone.

I said the young man QUOTED God's word to back his argument so listen and see if he has something worthwhile or not!

Westerhoffe:
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
— Revelation 1:8 (KJV)
Didn't you say earlier that the Lord is for JESUS CHRIST while LORD is for the FATHER?
Why are you guys always being hypocritical all the time when it comes to the Scriptures and JESUS CHRIST?
If according to you then and now, it means you're saying JESUS CHRIST is JEHOVAH GOD.
You guys are just so unbelievable.

Most translators of your copies are trinitarians so when translating the Christian Greek scriptures they got confused.

Please check the OT and try to correlate with NT to know who is talking @ Revelations 1:8

Emusan:
Provide evidence for the above.
Stop lying.
If God gave specific date Scholars won't find it hard to agree with.
But scholars agreed with 587BC because it's fact.
You choose 607BC because it supported your 1914 nonsense with a dubious calculation.
How does 2520days suddenly changed to 2520years?

That's why you need the young man's research because he quoted God's word as evidence that 607 is the only date that could make God's word authentic.
If we're to go by 587 BCE then it means Jews only spent 50 years in exile!

Emusan:
That's the problem with you people, do you think the archeologist wants to proof Bible right or wrong? No! They just carried out their works. Meanwhile, you called them atheists but you discarded God's word on creation which placed creation about 7000years and support the same Atheists when they say universe is billion years old.
So you know what that means?

Please leave that and let's focus on the year the Jews left Babylon!

Westerhoffe:
You say the Almighty GOD is the greater, and JESUS CHRIST said He is that same Almighty in Revelation 1:8.
How about that?
Or, were you expecting JESUS CHRIST to exalt Himself above the FATHER?
Did you not notice in all ramifications, JESUS CHRIST taught men to recognize HIM and the FATHER even after making them know the FATHER sent Him?

Revelations 1:8
“I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says JEHOVAH God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

That's not Jesus but JEHOVAH the father of Jesus whom Jesus called his father and our father his God and our God! John 20:17

Emusan:
I should listen to him and leave archeologist evidence behind.
Is that how it works?
DID GOD MENTION when the 70years will start? No!
So, archeological evidence shows its 587BC based on the samples collected from the site inspected.
Who should we go with, a random person on YouTube of archeologist?

God's word gave us the specific date when the Jews left Babylon so if we want to know the accurate date Jerusalem was destroyed along with it's temple all we need to do is add 70 years that God foretold!

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind him
It seems his organization has taught him better na. Let him prove

At times i do wonder how most people think.

God's organization talked about their heritage archeologists who are mainly atheists looking for reasons to shame God's word are criticizing and someone who claims he believes in God wants to support archeologists against God's organization.

Let them tell us how many years did the Jews spent in exile: 50 or 70?

Aemmyjah:
You mean that book ot fantasies?
Bible never made reference to any book of Enoch

Please what part of the Bible can we find this so called "book of Enoch" nah?

Emusan:
Very pathetic.
So how did you get the accurate date of 607BC because Bible never mentioned any accurate date.
There is a need because you did a calculation above which you ADDED to 607BC to get 1914, you know going with archeological date of 587BC will never arrive in 1914.
No! What matters is that archeological evidence says Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC add your 2520days turn years to it and let's see if you'll arrive in 1914 as you calculated above.
The source of 607BC is wrong because it's not supported by any archeologist
587BC is the accurate ONE because it's ARCHEOLOGICALLY SUPPORTTED.
It actually happened isn't a deniable fact but which specific year with archeological evidence is the key here.

Please calm down and listen to the young man in that video, he asked a thought provoking question:

According to God's word the Jews are to spend 70 years in exile so if we're to go by 587 BCE then that will mean the Jews only spent 50 years in exile but if it's 607 BCE then that will amount to 70 years.

So who is wrong?

God or archeologists?

Westerhoffe:
You just added 'lesser' to the word now yourself, which the Bible never included.
In the same Isaiah 9:6, remember it called JESUS CHRIST there the everlasting Father.
Then, coming to Revelation 1:8, JESUS CHRIST said there to be the Almighty. So these ruled out your argument.
And also, never forget this passage:
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)
So, if GOD the FATHER addresses the Son as GOD, where did He call Son a lesser GOD?

Jesus himself declared that he is LESSER than the Almighty God:

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. John 14:28

So Gods like Moses {Exodus 7:1} the rulers of Israel {Psalms 82:6} and Jesus himself {John 1:1} are all LESSER than the Almighty God!

Bestbrain123:
YOUR ANSWER SUPPOSE CLEAR YOUR OWN DOUBT..(RIGHT?)

Was Jesus the Almighty God or was he mighty God like all other lesser Gods?