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Westerhoffe:
Does that mean GOD didn't create anything Himself?
Observe these verses properly:
“In the beginning 'GOD' created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was 'GOD.'
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now, do you accept JESUS CHRIST is GOD or not?

Moses is God yes or no? Exodus 7:1

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Someone can be a spokesman for himself?
Even Jesus called himself God's representative
I'm not engaging you again in your blind arguments

Just imagine spokesman representing himself!

What exactly is your question?

Emusan:
False
All archeological evidence pointed to the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC
Even with the manipulative mathematics you did. 2520 - 607 still gives 1913 not 1914
You see that no matter how you spin it, 1914 is still a haox and scam.

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Here is NUM 14:34 but reading only 34 is cherry picking start from verse 33
33 And your children will be like shepherds, wandering in the wilderness for forty years. In this way, they will pay for your faithlessness, until the last of you lies dead in the wilderness. 34 “‘Because your men explored the land for forty days, you must wander in the wilderness for forty years—a year for each day, suffering the consequences of your sins. Then you will discover what it is like to have me for an enemy.’
The same is with Ezekiel 4:6
God instructions in those passages were clear and God is not saying ALL DAYS MUST BE A YEAR.

FRANCISTOWN:
MaxInDHouse come and shee shomshin

Just define atheist for him that's all!

Westerhoffe:
Don't deviate.
Is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not since the Bible says 'GOD' created the heavens and the earth in the beginning, and the same Bible said JESUS CHRIST is the Word of GOD who created all things.
So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?
And remember, the Bible said:
1 John 4 (KJV)
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¹ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
² Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
³ And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
So, prepare to be labelled for denying JESUS CHRIST is come in the flesh.

God gave me honey (🍯) through the bee (🐝)

So God created all things through one creature or another that's nothing special!

Westerhoffe:
But has there been any honey which is the real honey but not from bees?

That's the import of Colossians 1:15

Westerhoffe:
You're not breaking free of this. I know you know if you admit to the truth, it will ridicule your doctrines about JESUS CHRIST. But you've got to explain this:

God can create honey without using bees nah!

Westerhoffe:
Who gave it to us to address GOD as the FATHER?
I will hallow the name of the FATHER and not mention His name anyhow without respect as you do. For this is what JESUS CHRIST taught in:

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
— Matthew 6:9 (KJV)

So if you do not recognize who I call the FATHER, that would be your problem.

Now, back to the topic you keep trying to run away from but which I won't let you:

Is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?

Jesus is addressing his disciples not everyone so if a Christian is asked to mention the name of his God it makes no sense saying "Father"

Jesus told his disciples that his father is their father and his God is their God {John 20:17} so the father and God Jesus worshiped is the one his disciples are to worship not Jesus!

Westerhoffe:
[b]Where in the Bible did GOD the FATHER say, "I created JESUS CHRIST?"[/b]I

The FIRSTBORN of all CREATIONS is enough!

He was also CREATED that's what made him the firstborn nah!

Westerhoffe:
You still not making sense… can't you see?
Have I ever denied the FATHER in my comments?
NO.

But you have been denying and avoiding to call JESUS CHRIST who He is all along!

Is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?[/b]

Father is not a name nah!

What is the name He called Himself?

Westerhoffe:
[b]Does that mean GOD is incapable of doing anything on His own?

God created only one creature alone and after that all other works He delegated to these creatures.
For instance God created honey through bees yet we don't praise those flying creatures for what they did rather we praise God who created bees!

Westerhoffe:
Read this carefully and properly, then answer:

But is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?

Jesus came in the name of someone! John 17:6; 26

Mention the name of that person!

Westerhoffe:
What're you even saying?
Can't you see you're just missing the point?
HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON?
What does that make JESUS CHRIST?

Only begotten Son simply means the only creature God made all alone apart from Jesus all other things you're seeing around you are what God created through the use of other creatures.

Westerhoffe:
But is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?

God does all things through His creations and Jesus is one of His creations that's why he is called the firstborn of all creations. Colossians 1:15

Westerhoffe:
Don't try to deviate. You ain't making sense trying to go completely off-point by changing the topic in order to sound convincing while making no sense still.

Read your quoted comment. Who's deceiving who?
What are you explaining?
What are you even saying?

I asked, Who among the gods you claim are mighty is JESUS CHRIST?
Or did you not try to compare JESUS CHRIST to the gods?

Now I now why you keep deceiving your likes with your false narratives. I wonder how you were able to convince them with these uncorrelating words.

For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16



What is the name of the God who sent Jesus?

Westerhoffe:
Still denying John 1:1-3?

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He spoke @ Proverbs 8:22-31
So he worked with God during creation {Colossians 1:15-16} that doesn't make him the Almighty God he is always answerable to the one who created him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Westerhoffe:
Off-point.
Not relating.
We all know who the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is.
So what you mentioned here doesn't relate.

Now it's clear that you've been deceiving yourself because the God of Abraham agreed that there are many Gods that people worship {Psalms 82:1,6; 1 Corinthians 8:5} and all of them were addressed by name that is why He also told His worshipers His own name! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

He also promised to raise a prophet among the Israelites who will be like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} He made Moses a God in his time {Exodus 7:1} and promised that the promised prophet like Moses will speak in His name {Deuteronomy 18:19} which Jesus did {John 17:6, 26} and Jesus' disciples confirmed that Jesus is the prophet God promised them! Act 3:22

So if you're not ready to address the God who made all these things come true by His name then you're just deceiving yourself!

Westerhoffe:
So, you just had to combine the both statements in Psalms 82:1 to form one despite seeing they were separated?
You think I'm a fool or what?
“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)”
— 1 Corinthians 8:5 (KJV)
Did you see the conjunction word used there was 'whether' and not 'either' or 'in'?
And I didn't see where it was written they were mighty.
Now, is JESUS CHRIST among these your gods or the FATHER?
Because you're already doing what you do best, twist the Bible and then explain it off-point.

I think your problem is refusal to call the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by name so try to address the God in the Old Testament with His name and see that it's not the same person called Jesus! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4

Emusan:
Well detailed article.
The most astonish part is that not only do scholars agree that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587BC there's archeological evidence of the destruction dated to the same period.
So for Watchtower to continue to use 607BC as the year Jerusalem was destroyed shows how dishonest they are.

They are not members of Jehovah's Witnesses yet they both have this to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiJP1JkxsQ?si=82uRI74dW2LAqFcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdDvys2z6k?si=nTReVo2Wx__Quest

Westerhoffe:
Why did Isaiah 9:6 then call Him:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
— Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)

Let's pick out 'The mighty GOD' and 'everlasting Father'.
Explain these two.

Then, why did Revelation 1:8 address Him as 'The Almighty'?
Why did Hebrews 1: 8 address Him as GOD?

A son and a father are same personality.
A human, a human.
A lion, a lion.
So, the FATHER is GOD? The Son too is GOD.

There are many Gods and they're MIGHTY in nature!

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.Psalms 82:1

So there are many Gods and they are all mighty in nature! 1Corinthians 8:5

Adam was the father of all humans on planet earth but he passed sin and death to all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus has come to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} so through faith in Christ all those believing in him now has a new father through whom we can learn how to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's why he is called the everlasting father who bought his own children with the blood he shed unlike Adam who is now dead Jesus is alive forever as our everlasting father!

“I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says JEHOVAH God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” Revelations 1:8

But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. Hebrews 1:8

Nowhere said Jesus is God.
Only John said the word WAS God {John 1:1} and it's understandable that the word served as God just as Moses also served as God! Exodus 7:1

johnw47:
no wonder those so called Jehovah's witnesses ran away from your thread
they prefer to hold onto their org's. lies

If he truly wants to discuss this let him show his interest by clicking on:
https://www.nairaland.com/7976247/what-year-1914
God's people don't have to convince everybody it's interests that makes someone like me listen to them and believe in 1914 as the year Jesus began ruling it heaven!

OLAADEGBU:
"Four Requirements for Salvation in the Watchtower Organization"

Discover more about this works’ righteousness error at: http://ow.ly/jCp050MSsgk

Read James 2:18-26

Westerhoffe:
Do you think you know better than those who were right in front of Him, listening to Him and said these:
“The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
— John 10:33 (KJV)
Explain this.

Of course i know better than them because it's clear that those people are biased that's why they're misquoting him.
Is it not the same people who gathered false witnesses and said he claims he is the son of God?
Is it not the same people who said he forbid the paying of tax?
Is it not the same people who preferred an armed robber like Barrabas and told Pilate that his blood should come upon them and their descendants?

None among Jesus' closest confidants claim that Jesus is Almighty God what they all know is the same thing i know:
Jesus is God's Son! Matthew 16:13-16

A son is totally different from his father!

Westerhoffe:
But which of them makes themselves equal with GOD like JESUS CHRIST did?
Or which of them have glory with GOD before the world was like JESUS CHRIST?

Jesus never made himself equal with God!

He prayed/begged for God's help.
He knelt down while praying.
He said all his teachings comes from God.
He said God is father of all including himself.
He cried onto God to change his situation.

Ọmọ noone does any of these before his equal.

He lived in heaven before as a spirit person so he is superior to humans just as angels are also superior to humans. John 8:23

StormInc:
Lol. That's the point, All the Christians are following Christ who is the Way, the truth and the life. But they are still holding different beliefs about that same Jesus.

The highlighted is what you're getting wrong!

The truth is different religions claiming they are Christians so if you're sincerely interested in knowing the truth all you need to do is figure out what is Christianity first then it will be easy for you to distinguish between Christians and false religions claiming Christians.

To illustrate imagine different individuals each holding a different currency and all of them calling it $100 surely you will say dollars is worthless if you don't know how a hundred dollars looks like!

Westerhoffe:
Does this make JESUS CHRIST an ordinary person?

All the servants of God aren't ordinary to Him including Jesus!

Aemmyjah:
He thinks humans can fight spirits?
Even where our publications shows those army shooting their women at Michael, it is just to show how foolish and useless they can seem to be shooting towards invisible spirits but why would they do that? They have seen things that made them realize that Jesus is intervening on behalf of his people and to attack their earthly enemies. They won't just sit there and expect destruction, they may want to defend themselves with that they have, it's just a foolish thing to do.
Even Paul said that the battles true Christians face are not carnal (earthly or physical) since they are against wicked spirits. Is it the one of Gog of Magog that will?
Just ignore him
Ignore faultfinders
It's just envy that's worrying them

When someone reasonable comes in let me know!

Westerhoffe:
Changing the truth of the word of GOD to a lie is not what JESUS CHRIST sent you.
There is a reward for being a false teacher.

What JESUS CHRIST commanded is:
Matthew 28 (KJV)
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¹⁹ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
²⁰ Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

But what you guys are teaching is your own doctrines, which are contrary to the truth.

Now tell me what Jesus commanded that we are not doing because i can tell you 5 things Jesus commanded that you don't even grasp yet you're claiming Christian!

Aemmyjah:
Interestingly, ask him to visit the internet amd search what Kumuyi taught about the war of Armageddon whether it is physical or not
Let him go and argue those ones first before he just start saying baseless stuff

Like someone burning potato fields in a community in rage but not realizing that his own field is growing same potato

Physical means what humans can put to use but spiritual means what can work yet humans can't figure out how it's working.

He knows he had nothing tangible to say only poised to trade words and i won't give him that chance if he likes let him continue arguing blindly!

Emusan:
Olodo...the lying liar

The article says "What will conditions be like during the battle of Armageddon?

While we do not know how God will use his power, he will have at his disposal weapons such as those he has used in the past​—[b]hail, earthquake, flooding downpour, fire and sulfur, lightning, and disease."[/b]

Even the picture on the article was a ball of fire from heaven, yet you lied that Watchtower doesn't used such pictures again because there's a NEW LIGHT

OR YOU FORGOT

SEE receipt below

I know you're lying because you don't know how to defend this especially how God will destroyed this earth with all the nuclear weapons already in store not to talk of millions of warhead and the earth will remain the same.

Well God knows this and that's the reason He already has a plan for A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.

God can't be mocked!

You still don't get it.

All the highlighted that God used aren't what humans can practice themselves to use during wars so they're not PHYSICALLY WEAPONS but SPIRITUAL WEAPONS!

Aemmyjah:
That book is very fictional
I dunno why some people still want it to be added to the scriptures

Because they're not with the BODY of Christ!

Westerhoffe:
And what have you done to the ones added to the Bible if not misquote and misinterpret?
Even if it was added, you'd do what you've always done, twist and misinterpret it as always.

There could only be a misinterpretation:

If you're not doing the assignment given!

So tell me what assignment Jesus gave his disciples and how you are part of those doing it if you're not the one misinterpretating what you don't understand!