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cornelboy:
Wetin be you wahala na. Shey na you a dé follow talk?

He's just an old fool

OK nah!

paxonel:
Yes!
Jehovah witnesses are terribly wrong by teaching themselves that Babylon the great implies religious groups other than their own Jehovah witness. It shows how myopic and deceptive the organization can be to them who are taking such teachings seriously.
But however, if you understand the visions of Daniel in relation to revelations of John, you will have a critical explanation why Babylon the great is written in the book of revelation.

Babylon the great refers to the idolatory practiced by that great ancient city called Babylon right from the old testament era of Daniel, Michaic and Abednego and perhaps even up to the era Jesus was crucified and there was on-set of Christianity.
At that time, few people practiced Christianity and were persecuted by a vast majority of
people practicing idolatry from the great city called Babylonian.

Also, notice that practicing idolatry at that time was like practicing a religion.
And Christianity was another new religion that had started springing up with few adherents.
Not just only the idolarerers percecuted Christians, even the Jews who practiced Judaism had also persecute Christians.

So, persecution was a spiritual battle mentioned by Daniel's prophecies which also reflected in the book of revelation as Babylon the great

With this, Jehovah witnesses are only putting themselves into deception, not having a clue of what they are teaching

First present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES before saying they don't understand what God said!

Myer:
You cannot put new wine into old wine skin.
If you are ready to know the Holy Spirit better, you will have to stop regurgitating what your organisation taught you about the Spirit they do not even believe.

Do you think i've ever had any interest in books called Holy?
Never!
It is Jehovah's Witnesses that convinced me that there is God's word with the way they conduct themselves orderly and we'll organized. John 17:22

So if you want me to consider whatever you want to say about the book (Bible) you have to present the group or organization that's using it to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18 compare to Matthew 7:16-18

In the absence of that ọmọ you're just an unbeliever to me!

Myer:
You're right. That is why Jesus Christ is called the second Adam. The Spirit was restored.

Ọmọ we appreciate the fact that you read your Bible but the understanding is never given to anyone who sits alone to read it Jesus is the one who guides those that's teaching others so he doesn't teach any single person to become a scriptural teacher rather he always teach people in groups. Matthew 18:20

So if you truly want to gain insight you must sit with two or more individuals who also love God's word that is what will invite God's Active Force {Ecclesiastes 4:9, 12 compare to Malachi 3:16} to guide the group into all truth! John 16:12-13

Adam totally differs from Jesus, the first was made from the dust {Genesis 3:19} while the second has always been with God right from the beginning of creation! Colossians 1:15

The comparison Paul was making is that Adam supposed to be our father as the first human and all mankind would have revere him till today had it been he remain obedient to God but due to his disobedience he passed death unto all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus who is a spirit before came to right the wrong so he now becomes our father and counselor who will last forever! Isaiah 9:6

Myer:
John.3.5 - Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John.3.6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Here Jesus explicitly let us know that we are flesh and spirit once we are born again.

BORN AGAIN is another topic entirely!

No human is born of spirit right from the time of Adam till the day of Pentecost.

All humans have the breath of life which was actuated by God's active force (holy spirit) from the beginning and at death the ability to restore that force lies with God {Ecclesiastes 12:7} meanwhile both man and animals have the same actuating force that's keeping us alive it doesn't mean this force represents us at death.
To illustrate: Electricity makes all electrical appliances and electronics work but once it's disconnected the devices are dead the same is what happens to both man and beast.

BORN AGAIN means those selected among humans for immortality directly they will also die like all other creatures but during their own resurrection they won't return to flesh {1 Thessalonians 4:16-17} such ones won't pass through the final test from Satan! Revelations 20:5-6

Nicodemus was one of those hoping to rule with the Christ so Jesus is telling the Jewish man what he needs to become part of the ruling class that he so much cherish but as for all other faithful servants of God they don't need to be born of that same spirit before they can gain everlasting life all what they need is to obey the Christ as Lord and they will be approved to live in Paradise on Earth! Luke 23:43

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, I temporarily plead guilty to all your charges, for they sure do task one.
Max, Adam, who it is written was created from mud and God's breath, was a naked ignorant slave who refused to use his own heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek, and stupidly believed that the acquisition of knowledge would kill him.
A perfect candidate for your group I daresay, except for Eve who freed him.

A demigod is one given authority over all others in the same place.
Adam was given authority over all the creatures in that garden that's exactly what a demigod means.

Janosky:
JWs believe in the guidance of holy spirit.
However, nobody,not even Paul (who wrote scriptures under inspiration of holy spirit )had perfect knowledge.
To err is human.
The important factor is 2 Corinthians 13:9,11.
Readjust, Amend, Improve.
Prophets Samuel and Nathan heard directly from God.
Did God tell Nathan to inform king David to do "whatever his heart tells him to do" to build Jehovah's temple?
Did JEHOVAH tell Samuel that Eliab was JEHOVAH'S anointed?
Did Joseph Rutherford tell you he is perfect and infallible?
Pastorpreneurs who drink tea & converse with their deities also mishear too.

I have seen that the guy fully understood what really happened to imperfect servants of God in Bible times and today he's just frustrated that with all the provocation in his mind against God's organization today he doesn't know what to use as allegations so he want to pretend that he doesn't get the clear fact.
I'm no longer responding because of him it's clear that he deliberately choose to be dumb due to spite my main goal is for any follower who is honest hearted and sincere to know that there has never been a time imperfect God's servants got the application of inspired writings perfectly they often commit blunders but since they have the compass with them which is God's Holy Spirit it will help them to figure out where they erred once they find out they've not fulfilled God's will.

Myer:
This was to address your reply that you don't atleast believe that there is a spirit in man.
There are other scriptures that reveal more to you as you open your mind and heart to it.

The spirit referred to hear is discernment not something separate from man!

Myer:
If you care to know read Job 32:8.

But it is the spirit in people, The breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding

So how does that makes man a spirit?

KnownUnknown:
I’m not a Jehovah Witness.

Guy there's FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP AND ASSOCIATION so talk like a sane person.

What exactly has Jehovah's Witnesses done in the human society that's against the law?

KnownUnknown:
You contribute to the ignorance of humanity lmao

So what makes you think you're not contributing to the madness in the society?

Myer:
Ok. Do you at least believe that man has a spirit?

NO!

KnownUnknown:
I argue with them because their delusions have consequences outside of their religious communities, which ultimately affects me.

I love this so much!

Please tell everyone here exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing that's affecting your miserable life in anyway!

Myer:
Do you realise even you are a spirit?

Guy that's your own teaching so go and share it with your fellow religionists humans are mortals and at death humans die completely no spirit remains!

Myer:
you do not recognise the "Person" of the Holy Spirit

To us the Holy Spirit is not a person rather it's God's active force.

Whoever doesn't agree with that is free to go and practice his own religion with his own fellow believers.
Jehovah's Witnesses know that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person.
Thanks!

Emusan:
When your organisation sold their Halls, did they share the proceed EQUALLY among JWs?
Yet you'll still donate to them

Irrelevant question!

If you have an idea just go straight to the point!

budaatum:
A being with lesser divine status. But not only was Adam not divine, he was a naked ignorant slave.

So the Almighty created Adam to be like a demigod in that garden.

Prosper1912:
Dem know say dem don fail like Satan
So since dem know say dem nor fit enter the kingdom, dem wan prevent other from entering.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in" Matthew 23:13

That's why they keep following JWs up and down the forum as if we took their bread and some gullible followers will think they're doing them a favour.
Apart from threads where JWs are mentioned you won't see this miscreants elsewhere!

Sand2022:
I don't mean by individuals. A group approved by God has His evidence in miracles. It's not subject to your approval. The bible says:
Heb 2
4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."
Matt 7:21-23 is not contradicting Heb 2:4. Jesus is rather saying that even with that spirit one has to do his father's will to inherit life. He is not saying that miracles doesn't prove anything. It does.
I fact he had already made that statement before he promised them not to live Jerusalem for the spirit will come and then they will use it's power to preach as you rightly quoted at act 1:8.
We have gone through this path before

The signs and wonders Paul was talking about was God's promise to the Israelites only:

After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. Joel 2:28-29

That's what Peter reminded Jews that witnessed the event at Pentecost {Act 2:16-18} and Jesus expressly said such gifts are for the benefit of only the Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So that's not what Jesus promised as evidence of those doing God's will in the end time.

According to Jesus imperfect humans will come from different geographical locations on this planet and become peacemakers like himself! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah:2-24; Micah 4:1-3

That's the one and only evidence of God's backing as for supernatural gifts all religions today have it what they can't produce is the disciples who are peacemakers and preachers like Jesus of Nazareth! Act 1:8

That's the FRUIT expected of Christianity! Matthew 7:16-18

Sand2022:
I can understand. That question makes you uncomfortable. It can slide. But show respect to God's word abeg. They didn't want to eradicate poverty for God's sake. I have wondered if youre actually a JW.

I have asked you to explain what they were trying to do by selling their properties and sharing the proceeds EQUALLY.
If Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga, Tinubu and many other billionaires in Nigeria today should sell properties worth billions of dollars and decides to share the money equally with those that sold properties worth thousands of Naira what are they trying to do?
Don't be dumb, answer that question first!

Who cares what you think about me?

budaatum:
What nonsense! He named them don't make Adam the god of the animals.

Do you know what a demigod means?

Sand2022:
I repeat:
However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?
It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

Of course their imperfect human intellect led them to think they can eradicate poverty among themselves not God's Holy Spirit!

Sand2022:
how you know whom God is using clearly is by His telling you through vision, dreams or miracles as He pours His spirit.

NO!
You're deceiving yourself big time!

How many apostles did Jesus chose?
Twelve!
How many were inspired to pen down words?
Only five: Matthew, John, Peter, James and Paul.
So when they committed blunder which led to the death of that Christian couple they were all together as the first century Governing Body.

So how do i know that God was using them?
It's because they were able to continue making disciples who were peacemakers like the Prince of Peace {Act 1:8} that's what inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
In fact Jesus said all those gifts you're crying for doesn't make someone his real disciple! Matthew 7:21-23

Sand2022:
Remember you're the one calling there mistake blunders. Not me. You should be careful though.

Ọmọ that's the undeniable truth!

Sand2022:
However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?
It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

God's people has never for once gotten things perfectly but despite their blunders they will continue doing God's will that no other group or organization can do!

So stop deceiving yourself blunders is evidence that we are IMPERFECT humans but ability to fulfil God's promise is evidence that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with imperfect humans!

MyVILLAGEpeople:
I think any woman that can give birth to 6 children that aren't his when married to him is worse than boko haram.

Ọmọ when there's life there's hope.

The woman never killed him so he can pick it up again but Boko Haram will end it all!

Sand2022:
It is revealing how you insult Jesus apostles because you want to protect human organization. Your interpretation of that was wrong. Even if it was true, it's not a spirit led flip flop. Try again.

You're the one mixing things up for yourself.

The Holy Spirit is not responsible for blunders that's the effect of imperfection in humans but how do you know that God's Holy Spirit is working with imperfect humans?
Despite their blunders they will achieve what God promised!

Sand2022:
Well did Peter or Jesus say the holy spirit told Peter to rebuke Jesus? Was it the spirit's leading? Are you saying that Satan revealed some so called truth to Russell?

The matter is simple:

No servant of God has perfect understanding of what the Holy Spirit is revealing except Jesus Christ, all servants of God even though they were inspired do commit blunders during the application of what God's Holy Spirit inspired them to pen down.

So there's a big difference between inspiration and application when it comes to inspiration God's Holy Spirit delivers the message perfectly to imperfect humans and they pen it down just as they were inspired. The Governing Body weren't inspired so it's only the application they're working on and just like all other imperfect servants of God in the past they also committed blunders but despite their blunders they're the one and only group that has achieved what Jesus promised that we will see as evidence that God is with mankind! John 13:34-35

Sand2022:
You have not mentioned any flipflop by the apostles, neither have you shown them accusing the holy spirit for any wrong understanding like you guys do.

The Apostles surely committed blunders!

Jesus taught them that it's not possible to eradicate poverty for now {Mark 14:7} yet that is exactly what they tried to do which led to the death of a Christian couple! Act 5:1-11
So you can't deny that they never committed blunders even though they were baptized with Holy Spirit!

Sand2022:
You don't get the point, do you? If the holy spirit reveals a truth to you, it is truth, it can't change or be extinguished by another truth from the same spirit. Common bro. Can you listen to yourself?

Walahi talahi you're not a Bible student you only read the Bible!

Now let's go back to what Jesus said himself.

@ Matthew 16:16 Jesus said it's God's Holy Spirit that revealed something to Peter right?
Few minutes later that same day Jesus said what Peter said again was according to flesh in fact to show that the next thing that's coming from the same Peter is worse Jesus called Peter "Satan" {Matthew 16:23} So it's very possible for God's Holy Spirit to speak through a person and Satan to confuse the same person with human reasoning but did Jesus changed his mind regarding Peter being the ROCK upon which the congregation will be built? Matthew 16:18
NO!

Sand2022:
You have not mentioned any flipflop by the apostles, neither have you shown them accusing the holy spirit for any wrong understanding like you guys do. Let me show you how your Founder Russell saw flipflop. He says: "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188 So your leader, whom you say God used above other church leaders says that the situation that your religion now found itself aka flipflop is an evidence of human followership. That for God, never can there be flipflop. I concur with your leader. Unfortunately, you now call the so called God ordained leader a false teacher.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word "FALSE"
Ordained minister under Christ have a duty:
To ORGANIZE Jesus' sheep so that they go on preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 28:19-20} with that the result is that among all adherents of their TEACHINGS there must be no division {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and LOVE will permeate their gathering so that all those adhering to their teachings will no longer think of lifting weapons against anyone again as disciples of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8

Did the GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses meet up with this assignment?

If they do whatever errors they made while doing it is irrelevant because errors only shows that they are imperfect humans just like the first century Jewish Apostles!

MyVILLAGEpeople:
It doesn't matter lol

What's the difference between you and Boko Haram?