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TenQ:
You don't have to engage with me. I think we concluded about that. Discuss the questions with your fellow elders using your Bible as a guide.
Is it too much to ask?

My brothers and i are One {John 17:22} so whatever i believe they believe too!🙂

TenQ:
Ask your fellow elders and open your bible as you discuss.
Unfortunately, topics like these are not discussed by your publications, thus, you cannot independently open the Bible!
SMH!
Have a nice day!!

You see the reason why you don't worth engaging me in such a discussion?

You want me to talk about what i shared with my brothers in sacred service but you don't respect such arrangements yet you feel i should engage you in such a serious discussion.🙂

With who do you agree on your conclusions regarding your questions?

If you don't agree with anyone what makes you think i will agree with you?

Or do you think i'm interested in some aimless arguments that you always engage with random people?😂

TenQ:
So when you are asked to answer questions based on Bible questions like
1. Can anyone see God?
2. Can God be in Heaven and on Earth concurrently?
3. Who was speaking in Heb1:8 to the Son?
You run off to consult the JW manual instead of the Bible!?
SMH!

TenQ:
It seems you don't study the scriptures to know as you've been told what to believe.
All I asked you to do is to study the bible. Is that a tall order to do?

Please quote the highlighted in your previous post to me on this thread?😂

TenQ:
What is wrong with you

Surely you don't think before typing!

I'm living in the same place with those you call "elders"?

TenQ:
But it is good that you ask the other Elders to review these questions

If i'm not living in the same place or city with them so how come you believe we all have the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed for his real disciples {John 17:22} but you don't have anyone to relate with as your fellow believers?😂

Another Muslim?
But why can't Muslims stand out with their own book without having anything to do with the Bible?🙂

TenQ:
All these after I answered your question!!?

So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.
The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

You haven't answered:

What is the name of your church?😂

TenQ:
So run off as usual!
I am not holding you.
The Truth is NEVER afraid of Scrutiny!

Personal truth you mean?😂

Truth builds up a congregation so if you can't name the congregation your so called "TRUTH" had built i'm sorry for you!😂

Just as what you think too has nothing to do with me so if you have issues with anyone face them and please don't involve me because i'm not interested in any discussion with people who have no regards for those taking the lead in sacred service!🙂

TenQ:
Whatever you think doesn't represent me either. It's easy to fight a Strawman and win.

Dzzzz:
Oya tell us why she is wrong..

The woman is on point the only problem she has now is inability to identify God's chosen men.
First of all anyone BEARING a religious title in the public is not a follower of Jesus Christ so when you see anyone with titles like PASTOR, BISHOP, REVEREND, APOSTLE and so on know that they are scammers the real followers of Christ are known only within their group due to the assignments they handle within the congregation {Ephesians 4:11} these are not titles to be attached to their names for public recognition! Matthew 23:8-10

Christ's brothers are a group of men just as he selected twelve apostles out of his numerous disciples in the first century {Luke 6:13} and all those appointed as elders and ministerial servants were on the same page with these twelve men {Act 2:42} the same applies today because Jesus' mode of operation doesn't change. Hebrews 13:8

So if anyone still finds it hard to identify Christ's anointed brothers today surely that is not God's fault because Jesus said it's by the fruits of each leader or group of leaders we will know if they belong to him or not! Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus is the tree {John 15:1} his Apostles (group of chosen men) are the branches {John 15:5} the fruit are disciples that his men gathers who are also preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood. Matthew 28:19

So if any religion just gathers worshipers that aren't engaged in the preaching and teaching work which Jesus assigned his disciples in what way are they Christians? James 2:18, 26

That is how to know those who are chosen to give wise counsel because there is no better counsel than the one that makes worshipers zealous for the work Jesus assigned to his disciples!

TenQ:
I will prefer if you quote me and not insinuate what you think I believe.

Your personal problems has nothing to do with me if you don't want to become submissive to any group teaching that's your own cup of coffee, Jesus has a group and they are working together as one team {John 17:22} thinking they shouldn't have sinners among them is not scriptural because Jesus himself said he came to call sinners not the righteous. Matthew 9:13
So in his group we don't worship him as God rather we obey him as God's only begotten Son through whose instructions we can be saved.
Whoever feels too big to humble himself under Christ's chosen (anointed) brothers can't have a place among us. Matthew 25:41-46
That's the difference between true Christians and false religionists claiming Christians! Matthew 7:12-13🙂

You once said it's unwise to throw the baby away with dirty water so if you don't know the true religion then you can't get a clear picture of what religion is doing for mankind.

lawani:
A body of knowledge can not have foresight. Ifa is getting larger and stronger all over the world. You can't know it and abandon it. It can never be rendered useless.
I write about religion and I also write about other challenges I believe the world is facing. Have you gone through my posts? If you have done that you will not say I think religion is the only problem of mankind

TenQ:
I would like to know the XYZ that I said about Jesus that is not according to the bible.
It is easy to tell such lie on a Faceless platform like this

No Son is equal to his father so Jesus in the Bible is lesser than his father he is not the Almighty that position belongs to his father.
But if you keep arguing over that then you have to present the achievement of this your Almighty in the midst of ITS worshipers!🙂

lawani:
Why are you not asking the same question about slavery in other places? Are all black people the same?

If your ifá had foresight it should have known that failure to address necessary issues will later render it useless before the coming generation.
Today you keep complaining about religion as if that's the only problem of mankind whereas spirituality that's useless is the real problem!

Jesus said you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

Jesus began separating his true disciples from among false religionists in the year 1914 today the one and only true group practicing Christianity has emerged but my people will bank on what those liars infused in their brains to accuse the true Christians!🙂

Were they selling whites or blacks as slaves?😂

lawani:
You don't know your own history. For instance, no Ijebu person was ever sold into slavery on the coast controlled by the Ijebu. Any Ijebu sold into slavery would have been through Calabar and etc. No Ibadan army ever raided a town under Ibadan. This is simple logic. The Ijesa did not raid their own people. The Dahomey did not raid their own people. The Fulani did not raid their own people. When the Oyo controlled the slave coast for centuries most of the human cargo were Northern Muslims. They raided only enemies and opponents as would be expected and not their own people.
Bible dates are only estimates. You can never get specific dates for most events. When even did the Gregorian calendar become widespread?. Then again you don't need dates to validate history. You don't need the exact date the Kiriji war broke out before you accept the fact

Blacks are not the only ones sold as slaves! Most slaves in the Ottoman empire were Europeans. Stop the wrong narrative

lawani:
There is nowhere in Africa where people were selling their members as slaves. They sold their opponents and adversaries.

Lies!
Blacks were kidnapping their brothers and selling them as slaves!

lawani:
The world is not divided into black people and white people. It is divided into nations.

So how come blacks are the ones sold as slaves nah?🙂

lawani:
Again the absence of dates in Ifa stories does not make them lies. There are no dates in Bible stories as well

Bible has dates so if you don't know ask!😀

TenQ:
This has nothing to do my my last post to you. As reference, check below

You started by saying your Jesus is XYZ but can't stick to what the Bible Jesus teaches in thoughts, words and actions!😀

honesttalk21:
Is this a reference?

Keep deceiving yourself.

You expect me to spoofed you when you know where it's written in your books!😂

TenQ:
Should this kind of sin be mentioned as normal in the church?
1. Can anyone see God?
2. Can God be in Heaven and on Earth concurrently?
3. Who was speaking in Heb1:8 to the Son?

Highlighted is what Pharisees were saying against our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus {Luke 7:34} but he said such ones needs to be attended to! Matthew 9:12

Please is your own Jesus a real person or an imaginary character?

Because you are not quoting the Bible Jesus but creating another one that isn't found in the Bible!😀

lawani:
It was the British that ended the slave trade and they did it because of their economic interests mainly. Please stop crediting it to religion. The same British including their religious missions participated in the slave trade for centuries.

Of course they met your ifá people doing it nah? So they also engaged your people but they will not sell their own people as slaves because they care for their brothers it's when most black people has embraced their religion that they had to abolish slave trade.

lawani:
You don't know anything about Ifa. Ifa is united just like lawyers are united. Every community has an Araba and there is no Awo who does not have an Oluwo. They have a union just like the body of benchers.

So what is the usefulness of your oluwo when ifá adherents are selling their own brothers who are ifá worshipers as slaves?

lawani:
If there are no names and dates attached to ifa tales, it does not take anything away from the veracity. When ifa mentions someone by name, that is a real person and when it is philosophy you also know

That makes it lies if dates and places are not attached to the tales o!😟

lawani:
Your religion is worthless too because it did not abolish slavery.

So who are the people that abolished slave trade o?😂

lawani:
IFA can unite only the professionals that learn it.

So has your ifá done such a thing?

lawani:
Religion brainwashes people to unite them. It is a cult. Easy to join, get killed if you try to leave, if not killed then hated. Ifa is an academic body and not a cult.

Brainwashed people who will never raise weapons against anyone are far better than your spiritualists who will be used as tools to exterminate one another!😀

lawani:
There is philosophy and real life event in Ifa. Maybe you think the characters mentioned in IFA stories are not real people. No they are. Many existed thousands of years before the characters in the Bible.

You are lying because there is no name, place or date attached to your ifá tales!😀

lawani:
Ifa is a body of knowledge and know how. It is not worthless

Whatever fails unite its adherents globally is WORTHLESS!
Charity they say begins at home so before advertising your ifá we need to see what your ifá is able to achieve among its adherents!🙂

TenQ:
Are you trying to justify ur P*****p fphil lick tendencies?
There some sins even unbelievers scarcely commit: it is a shame when anyone affiliated with Jesus is found in them
1Cor 5:1:
"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife."

The sin reported @ 1Corinthans 5:1 was committed by a Christian or pagan?

After he was punished {1Corinthans 5:11-13} did they welcome him back into the fold as a repentant sinner? 2Corinthians 2:5-11

This is why i keep referring to your Jesus as "IT" because there is no Jesus of your kind in the Bible. The real Jesus said he came to call sinners not the righteous {Matthew 9:13} so there is no way we will not have them in our midst but after we have shunned the wrongdoer for being unrepentant {Matthew 18:15-17} we must console him if he later shows a repentant attitude.

What Paul is saying there is clear we are to scold wrongdoers in our midst not kill them o!😂

lawani:
In Ifa morals is taught and it is not attached to beliefs. In religion, no matter how upright you are you are still inadequate if you don't believe the tales inside religion. Without believing the tales you can't be right with God.

Ifá is based on tales and myths so you can't talk about real people, events or places but the Bible talks about real people, events, places and dates so we must believe since it's real life events!🙂

lawani:
The slave trade was not abolished because of religion but because of economic interests. The British and not white people in general abolished the slave trade not slavery. The British led the industrial revolution and it was in their interest to end the slave trade. Many other nations in Europe continued and the British had to be intercepting ships. Slavery still went on after the slave trade was abolished though it ended in many places. Then it is not the responsibility of any spirituality to form government policy. The abolition of slave trade is government policy. You can't credit the abolition of the slave trade to religion because it is just government policy.

So your spirituality is worthless since its unable to do such good things while your so called spiritualists failed!

lawani:
No, religion can not unite people. Something that is irrational can not unite people because deep thinkers will revolt against it. People can only unite behind something that is rational. If you want any kind of unity on Earth then the first step is to abolish religion because the only thing religion does is divide.

You can't abolish something that is doing what is needed among it's adherents when your spirituality proved useless. Let your spirituality unite those adhering to it first and let everyone see the good work of your spirituality before calling for the abolishment of something far better than your worthless spirituality!🙂

lawani:
Morality is universal. You don't need religion to have morals. If you don't have morals, what you need is empathy and not religion. Morals can and should be taught without mixing it up with religion. There has always been morals. It was not religion that brought morals. Morals existed before threat became the tool to be used to coerce belief.

Is there morals in your ifá?
If it's automatic then why is it taught as a subject in your ifá?

lawani:
What led to the abolition of slave trade is that the slave trade was impeding other trade.
The slave trade was not compatible with the industrial era. Religionists were deeply involved in the slave trade.

Before the whiteman came do your own people engage in slave trade?
So who are the people that abolished it?

lawani:
Slavery in the past was practiced worldwide and it served as a means of accounting for everyone with no one left behind. Right now, the current system don't account for everyone. We have the unemployed.

So how come your spirituality refused to abolish it until the white announced it's abolishment?

lawani:
Can religion unite everybody? No. Because deep thinkers will always reject it. Mind you there was unity on Earth before religion and they only fought wars over territory. With religion, wars over God became a thing. To have that unity back, we have to do away with religion

Religion can unite humble people from all races and it has been achieved that is why the only true religion is going to all nations and making them disciples of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8

If you must know the true disciples of God's only begotten Son have settled their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4
That is what REAL SPIRITUALITY should do not just inciting individuals to desperation!🙂

Did Jesus say there won't be any sinner among his disciples?

YES or NO?🙂

TenQ:
It's okay that Jesus couldn't install the fruit of the Holy Spirit in you. It's no wonder that we see the counterfeit fruit which is the works of the flesh

Gal 5:19-21:
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."


Do you want us to continue flogging this or you choose to focus on topics and issues avoided ?



Help Bookmark and Truthseeker10 by answering the questions

1. Can anyone see God?
2. Can God be in Heaven and on Earth concurrently?
3. Who was speaking in Heb1:8 to the Son?

Spirituality can't be complete without conversion!
It was when people are used to this your consultation of spiritualists that they were selling their own brothers as slaves yet your spirituality couldn't stop it back then it was conversion that led to the abolishment of slave trade globally.
So stop deceiving yourself something must bring people together throughout the world to become one global family call it whatever you like but there is no spirituality greater than what can unite people of all races and make them stop hating, fighting and killing themselves when we all know that there is nothing we brought to this world neither can we take anything out of it.
Your false spirituality can't do anything good for the human race other than complicating issues the more as each of you keeps seeking his own glory leaving everyone to become desperados!

MightySparrow:
There are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

Your own blood brother became one of Jehovah's Witnesses and instead of him to leave the organization since he didn't have any families among us before his conversion he stick to the organization as if his life depends on it.
Why not convince him to leave if you are sure that what we practice is not in the Bible?😀

Nothing stops anyone from joining your Pentecostal religion but they know there is nowhere else that true love exists among worshipers that's why they are complaining within the group.
As adults and free moral agents nobody should feel indebted to a group that you know is teaching heresy when there are thousands of others out there!🙂

MightySparrow:
See
Suffocating the shunned, silent killing, emotional trauma, social distabilization, mental torture. These are the weapons fashioned against the apostates of jw.org. whereas, the scripture they are standing on is about interpersonal relationship not apostacy. Aside that, there are many people within their hood that have pointed errors in their teachings, rather than examining the teachings, they disfellowshipped them. These are angry people running down the organization in prints and social media.

Isolation is a sin among true worshipers of God! Hebrews 10:24-25🙂

TenQ:
Haaa!
Paedophilic lust covers a multitude of sin!?

Did Jesus say there won't be sinners among his sheep?

Go, then, and learn what this means: ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners.” Matthew 9:13

I know that is why you refused to come up with the name of any known group but Jesus never condemn anyone due to sin rather what he condemned and told us to shun is UNREPENTANT wrongdoer! Matthew 18:15-17

So can you confidently mention the name of your church now🙂