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Alapereketu:
Nothing like Christianity during first century. They're all traditionalist. Even your forefather are traditional in religion.

Where is your evidence?

Alapereketu:
Until white men colonize Africa they bring Christianity to Africa.

What the colonizers brought is politics not Christianity if you truly want to see the truth as it really is!

Alapereketu:
no proof or evidence
Actually seun is right.

Do you believe in reasonableness?

Imagine a mythical character in a book who said:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

This year makes 1993 years he uttered the above statement, today in a world where people believe in vengeance with the use of weapons a group emerged preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door just as this mythical character taught in the fairytale book. Matthew 10:11-13
This group have taught people who become their members in all the nations never to return evil for evil. Matthew 5:43-48
This group has used what this mythical character said to erase racism in the minds their members so that they are now known globally as if a strong bond is binding them together like one family. John 13:34-35
No member of this group is into politics or military service in all the earth. John 17:14; Matthew 27:52
In fact most people say the world will become a better place if only members of this group fill the planet.
Please what do you say about such a character?
Will you conclude he never existed or you were misinformed?🙂

YES!

Alapereketu:
did Jesus really exist.

The world will have their kings while we (subjects of Christ) remain in their midst as strangers that's why we are not loyal to any human government.
We Christians can live without their laws but they can't live without their own rulers because with Jesus we are righteous and we use God's word for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God (Christian) may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:17-17
Human rulers are for worldly people not Christians our own government is in Christ Jesus the heavenly government that is why we use God's word to rule among ourselves while the world use Satan's government! 1John 5:19🙂

chimex38:
Assuming but not conceding that they are from Satan, how can we then live as a people without law and order?

Before John the baptist whoever rules in any part of this planet could remain a servant of God but after John declared saying:
“Repent, for the Kingdom (government) of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 3:2
Satan began working towards another direction and his motive is the use all means within his reach to fight against the Christ and his kingdom so nobody from that moment could be a ruler in any part of the world and remain loyal to God.
That's why Jesus said:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom {government) of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12
You may not understand this is what he is saying:
From the days of John the baptist loyal, faithful and sincere humans fitting to rule with the Christ are willing to work with him as his corulers but only those who are ready to give it whatever it takes are reaching out for it!
Satan immediately started giving human kings lots of devilish rituals that will involve human blood which is to make them kill their conscience but whoever can't do so must forget about rulership because if you are not wicked just like Satan he won't be pleased to have you as one of his corulers in any part of the earth:
“I will make you king over all these places. You will have power over them, and you will get all the glory. It has all been given to me. I can give it to anyone I want." Luke 4:6
Imagine a person whose deeds pleases Satan the Devil!😟
So my friend no ruler from that time could be a friend of Jesus unless you are ready to give up Satan's government.
You must choose one side!😟

FxMasterz:
My dear, stop all these falsehoods and let us teach you sound doctrine.
Nicodemus was actually a disciple of Jesus. He even joined in burying Jesus alongside Joseph of Arimathea. And if you don't believe that, go read the Bible very well. Read the screenshot I added too.

Which church taught you this?

Because no Christendom Church that's telling people what you are saying now all of them wants to eat their cake and still have it!🙂

VBCampaign:
Israel has learned from the activities of Islam in the medieval period, and they know that if they do not employ military actions against Islamic militants, the way Islam flushed out Christianity from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Tunisia, and many other Middle Eastern nations, is the same way it will flush Israel from the Middle East. There is no peace in the Middle East today because Islam will not co-exist peacefully with the Jews. And the Jews are not going anywhere; they will continue to employ the sword to avenge evil against their land.

According to history the real Christians weren't wiped out by Islam but Satan's agents that emerged from Christianity!

Jesus said this will happen shortly after the death of his apostles (when men are sleeping) {Matthew 13:25} and that is exactly what happened. Apostates rise from among true Christians and the first thing they did was to jeopardize the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his faithful disciples.
How?
Instead of humbly going to people's homes as Jesus commissioned the work these arrogant individuals felt that will make them beggars as if they are begging people to join them so they baptized politicians and ordained many as deacons in their churches and after some time these politicians see reasons to convert more people so as to gain more power but since preaching from house to house is not easy for people who love riches and affluence they employed another way to get more worshipers: FORCE!
Politicians seeking more power started looking for more supporters through religion going from town to town and forcing their religion on them claiming they are doing so for Jesus!
That is what Muhammad met some 500 years later as Christianity not the peaceful group Jesus commissioned so even if Muhammad wish to establish himself as a prophet of peace which he actually claimed the activities of those churches going from town to town with swords calling it crusade for Christ won't let him.
And since the Jews who occupied the land where the God thought to be the Almighty has been displaced from their land Muhammad built his religion around the beliefs of the churches of Christendom.
The only thing Muhammad carefully excluded is the divinity of Jesus as one of the Godhead because that demeans his own prophethood as he wanted to establish himself as the greatest of all prophets.
Had it been the Jews welcomed Jesus' teachings their land will be protected spiritually because they won't raise weapons against any nearby nation and whoever becomes a Christian can marry from among them.
Also the Mosaic laws which stood as the barrier between them and all other nations will be removed which means anywhere people gather in Jesus name is holy and it's no longer a compulsion that worshipers of God must assemble in Jerusalem anymore! John 4:23-24

Caesar's things:
* Tribute
* Tax
* Fear
God's things:
* Dedication
* Faith
* Obedience

The voice of one crying in the wilderness!🙂

If you are always worried when you see people hurt their fellow man and your thinking is always to do what you want others do to you {Matthew 7:12} that is a sign that God's laws are written in your heart {Romans 2:14-15} so do not delay your fellow believers are searching for you to direct you to where faithful and loyal individuals like you are gathered together for doing the will of God! Matthew 28:18-20🙂

FxMasterz:
He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.

Did Nicodemus prove to be a believer in Christ Jesus?
This is the Bible's answer:
This one came to him in the night and said to him:
“Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2

What did Jesus say about people who denied him before others?

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:33

Now a former blind man acknowledged Jesus before everyone and this is what the Pharisees (Nicodemus group) said to this blind man?

“You are a disciple of that man, but we are disciples of Moses.  We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he is from.” John 9:28-29

Was Nicodemus truthful when he said "we know that you are from God" {John 3:2} of course not he was talking about himself alone while all other members of his group never accepted that Jesus came from God {READ John 7:52} and that is why he couldn't openly confess his faith in Christ Jesus! John 12:42

So Nicodemus is not a good example of Christ disciples!

Pontius Pilate sentence Jesus to death!
Can you do that as a BELIEVER in Jesus?😟

Ọmọ if you don't believe in Jesus there is no problem i'm only showing you what it means to be a true disciple of Christ Jesus.

We must disown ourselves and live our life for Jesus {Matthew 16:24; 2Corinthians 5:15} that is what no worldly politician can do!🙂

VBCampaign:
What counsel is that?

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing?  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?  You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:43-48
Jewish religious leaders in the first century concluded that this counsel is unwise they felt if the whole nation do exactly what Jesus taught there would be no one to fight their wars and the Romans will just come and enslave them {John 11:48} so from that time till today Jewish religious leaders continued to blackmail Jesus and his disciples before their people that is why the nation of Israel till today never accepted Jesus as their Messiah (Christ) in fact they are still expecting another Christ till today but as for Jesus they called him an "IMPOSTOR" Matthew 27:63
Check below to see what modern day Israel is doing regarding faith in Christ Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Za5L5G08A8g?si=aQTkO-2prMI9TbkQ

FxMasterz:
So, you mean there's no single world ruler who believes in Jesus?

Jesus is Lord over his disciples so they believe and obey his counsel.
There is no ruler who obeyed Jesus till today because his counsel is not optional rather a compulsion for anyone who wants to be saved.
So when Jesus said:
“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52
None of his disciples (subjects) is left out all of us must OBEY Jesus as our Master, Lord and King.
Of course many of the rulers in the first century believe Jesus is the Christ but they denied him publicly! John 12:42-43
WHY?
Because they wanted to keep their position and affluence in world politics.
For instance one of them approached Jesus and the first thing he did was to go on his knees before Jesus {Mark 10:17} this shows the man is convinced in his heart that Jesus is the Christ but then can he comply with Jesus' counsel?
His later action shows it's impossible for any worldly politicians to fully accept Jesus as Lord.
How?
Jesus looked at the man with compassion and told him:
“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower" Luke 18:22
This exactly is what Satan offered Jesus {Luke 4:6-7} so the riches, affluence and position in worldly politics comes from Satan that's why Jesus told this ruler to get rid of it all and come to be one of his followers.
What did the politician do next?
The Bible said:
But he grew sad at the answer and went away grieved, for he had many possessions. Mark 10:22
So can any worldly politician gain entrance into God's Kingdom?
Jesus' next remark answered the question:
“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
Please do you know any worldly ruler who has ever given away his political riches and affluence for Christ's sake?🤔

Modern day nation of Israel disregard the wise counsel from Jesus so they are no longer worshiping the God of Abraham!

FxMasterz:
But, did Jesus command nations and rulers the same? Do you know that even Jehovah Himself is fondly called "Jehovah, the Man of W@r"?

Jesus said his government (Kingdom) is no part of this world otherwise he can't be arrested in the presence of his armies or attendants {John 18:36} so he can't give orders to world rulers who are no part of his government nah!😟

But as for his own disciples (subjects) Jesus is our Master, Lord and King!🙂

FxMasterz:
It's not a matter of reading from verse 1. I didn't ask you where I should read from.
This is it again:
Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?
Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason..

Well Jesus COMMANDED all those believing in him never to use weapons in settling issues {Matthew 26:52} so if anyone believes in the use of weapons to settle issues such a person doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God.
Let's leave what will happen to all those who refuse to accept/ believe in the wise counsel God's only begotten Son gave us! John 3:16🙂

Tí gbogbo egúngún bá ń léni lóko kìí ṣe bí i pákọ̀kọ̀ o!

If anyone wants to complain about paedophilia should a Muslim also come forward?

See underage marriage in Islam!

Who cares?
Continue deceiving yourself with false stories!😂

DoWhatThouWilt:
The news made this JW apostate speak in english again. More JW child abuse news coming up.

Why are there no child abuse reports made regarding JWs in this side of the world?
Because in western countries children have the right there to force parents to pay all their bills until they become adults earning their own money but in Africa such doesn't happen.
So female children who doesn't want to practice the religion of their parents yet doesn't want their parents to control them will lie against such parents and the law will order such a child to live elsewhere while the parent will be forced to pay their bills.
If anyone wants me to believe JWs are molesting children let him or her bring evidence here within our own people.

In Islam an old man in his 60s, 70s or 80s is allowed to marry a girl as little as 13 years old and that is what they do in all the countries where Islam rules even here is Nigeria it happens so they can't deny it.

But bringing false accusations from far away lands against the world's purest religion when you can't even mention it among practicers of the religion in your own country makes no sense!😂

Tí gbogbo egúngún bá ń léni lóko kìí ṣe bí i pákọ̀kọ̀ o!😂

If anyone wants to complain about paedophilia should a Muslim also come forward?😂

FxMasterz:
Max. Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?
Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.

Why not read from verse 1 nah?🤔


Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ‭Romans 13:1 NIV‬

They are serving a purpose there which is to maintain law and order so that fear will not allow lawless people carry our their evil deeds easily.
Christians who knew they are not God's servants shouldn't disobey the government because they are there for us to report their own people to them while we deal with defaulters in our own gathering:

For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside,  while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves" 1Corinthans 5:12-13

Go and ask disfellowshiped JWs about how Jehovah's Witnesses handle wrongdoers among us they will say we are more wicked than people carry weapons to enforce laws but then all we do is excommunicate them {Matthew 18:17} when Satan's children use weapons to deal ruthlessly with anyone who disobey them.

So Paul is telling Christians not to fall into their hands because if not for them we can't go about our day to day activities peacefully.
That is why God permitted them to be there but in reality it's Satan they are walking for. Luke 4:5-7
When Jesus said give Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give God what belongs to God Jesus meant this worldly authorities {Mark 12:17 compare to Romans 13:6-7} yet Paul still made it clear that these worldly authorities are working with demons! Ephesians 6:12

World Rulers are not servants of God because they are not obeying God's Son but in Satan's world they are playing their part under Satan's rule.
Paul is telling Christians not to interfere in the activities of world rulers since it's God's will to permit them until the appointed times given them is over! Luke 21:24
That's why no Christian can be a ruler in any part of the world today as Satan is their overall leader! Luke 4:5-7

FxMasterz:
Can you see that you are a deceiver?
You deliberately cut off the part of the Scripture that says that the person in authority is a servant of God for the purposes of leadership and justice.
Romans 13:4: reads:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.
I expect you to continue trying to deceive instead of pivoting back to the Word of God and submitting to it.

FxMasterz:
Jesus was commanding His disciples. He wasn't commanding nations or rulers.
The Bible says, Rulers bear the sword for good reasons. Romans 13:4.

So rulers can't be Jesus' disciples.
Right?

Are you sincere, loyal, faithful, honest hearted and obedient to an organized religion?
Do you feel like your religion should be able to solve some problems affecting members throughout the earth?
Do you wish your religion could unite people of all races and make them feel like one global family?
Do you wish to see the end of all kind of badness globally?
Never mind whatever the religion you find yourself now the true God is ready to welcome you into the gathering of His worshipers where LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL working! Galatians 5:22-23🙂

Remember how God picked His Witnesses from the time of Abel?

Well that is the same way He continued to pick people whose hearts are complete with Him. 2Chronicles 16:9

Abraham came from the family of idol worshipers {Joshua 24:2} yet Jehovah picked Abraham from among this people and draw him to make a lasting covenant with him. Thus Abraham's name was included in the list of those who became Jehovah's Witnesses! Hebrews 11:8

So let's go back to the question in the topic of this thread:

How come some people became witnesses of the true God?

Well the name Jehovah's Witnesses was preserved for thousands of years and hidden from people like Cain who wants to claim they are also worshipers of the true God but their form of worship is based on selfish purpose so throughout God allowed His worshipers to bear different group names until He sent His spirit out to gather faithful, loyal, honest hearted and obedient individuals throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that is when He began calling His worshipers by the group name He kept secret for thousands of years:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So if you're practicing any religion no matter where you are or the religion your parents born you into if you have been practicing such a religion heartily without selfish purpose know today that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses and your brothers are searching for you all over the earth to take you to the gathering where you truly belong. Matthew 28:18-20

But if you never cared about loyalty or obedience to any form of worship even though you are born and raised among those bearing that group name today you will end up outside the organization because that gathering is only meant for people whose hearts are complete towards sacred service to the one and only true God! Psalms 24:3-4
God bless you and may you have peace!🙂

Adam and Eve first had a son before Abel his name is Cain he was the first person to make the move to render sacred service to God after the rebellion in Eden {Genesis 4:3} but with an ulterior motive.
How?
Because Eve his mother thought she is the woman God said would deliver the child that will destroy the Serpent Satan {Genesis 3:15} so when she gave birth to Cain Eve said: "With the help of God i have produced a male child" Genesis 4:1 and no doubt she has passed on the information to Cain who now view himself as the savior that's why Cain made a sacrifice to God like a gift of thanksgiving for being the chosen one.
So when God accepted Abel's sacrifice Cain became really sad because to him Abel will be the one to undo the evil. God even told Cain to emulate his brother whose worship has no ulterior motive but Cain couldn't bear it he felt God has chosen Abel over him that's why Cain murdered him brother Abel! Genesis 4:8
But is that the end of Witnesses of Jehovah? NO!
Jehovah keep on searching for people like Abel whose heart is pure and willing to render sacred service to Him without any ulterior motive attached.
Later God found Enoch {Hebrews 11:5-6} but his generation was filled with evil and murderous people like Cain so God removed Enoch from the surface of the earth. Genesis 5:24
Next person was Noah who also had the same kind of heart like Abel and Enoch but this time God protected Noah because some of God's spirit sons came down and started sleeping with female humans {Genesis 6:1} this is the beginning of fornication on planet earth because back then people only give their daughters to men whose parents they knew but since the angels can't present anyone as their father they used their charming looks to make all the beautiful girls fall for them without the proper arrangements and the girls got pregnant and gave birth to abnormal children who kept growing bigger and bigger by the day.
Soon giants were everywhere and they became bullies not ready to do any work but taking whatever they want by force. Genesis 6:4
That is why God decided to destroy that generation with flood!
To be continued....

God Almighty is the father of all creation {Genesis 1:1} He made spirits like Himself in heaven through one whom He created first {Proverbs 8:22} and through this first born all other creatures were made! Colossians 1:15-16

Due to his unwavering faith and loyalty towards his God and father {John 20:17} this firstborn spirit son of God became the first and foremost witness of God {Revelation 1:5} there later came to be more spirit sons of God who were altogether praising God {Job 38:7} but then one of them chose to be different from all others he felt there is no life in just being among millions of beings as one of the worshipers so he wants to be worshiped too {Isaiah 14:12-14} with that he began scheming a plan to get worshipers for himself but that couldn't be easy in the midst of intelligent beings where all of them knew their Creator and His spokesman who always represent Him {John 1:1} so he kept all these plans to himself.

The Almighty God knew this He chose to let this rebellious angel go ahead with his plans since God knew it won't end well.

But why would God Almighty allow such an evil scheme at all?

Well if God should accuse the rebel when he has not done anything how can He justify the accusation? Or what proof does He have?

So God allowed the rebel to continue and the rebel kept his plans until God created the earth and put humans on it to control all other creatures on it {Genesis 1:26-28} the rebellious spirit sees this as an opportunity to hijack the rulership of earth and become God over the intelligent creatures (humans) living on the earth therefore he slandered the Creator and deceived the first woman who also compelled her husband rebellious husband to support Satan's scheme. Genesis 3:1-6

God judged these three rebels so they will all perish the first human couple to die within a thousand years which is an equivalent of one day before God. Genesis 3:14-19; 2Peter 3:8

Within a thousand years the couple had children males and females but one proved to be uniquely different from all other children of Adam and Eve, his name was Abel he has a pure heart and willing to submit himself to his Creator that is the beginning of those who are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES till today! Hebrews 11:4

Good!
So if you have trashed your faith there is no reason for you to engage me since i will always hold onto my faith in Christ Jesus!🙂

paulGrundy:
Na ebelebo, mango or pawpaw he talked about. LOL

What FRUIT do you think Jesus talked about gangan?🙂

paulGrundy:
LOL wishful thinking. You are still with folks? How far now? What's you guys stance on blood transfusion? Is it now acceptable? Or now left entirely to the conscience? LOL

MrEar:
Oh hello MaxInDHouse, I Knew you would be missing me. I guess you are wondering why I havent resumed my koboko lashing on you.

Wow!
This is really wonderful!
So you don't even think of how the guy is feeling all that matters to you is what hurtful things you should say to Max!😟

MrEar:
PS: I will still check on you from time to time but this time in a different pattern.

Well thanks for letting me know you guys aren't even helpful to yourself in anyway, despite how bad this young man is feeling right now all that matters to you is what to say against Max.
No wonder God's word says:

Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers. Psalms 1:1

So you just want to scoff and rudicule faithful truly your gathering is of no good.
Henceforth no response to your posts!😟

MrEar said it's better to be jobless than preaching about an organization that won't pay me i just laughed it out because i know my worth.
Abeg who go help me beg this young man sey i no mean to vex am?
Of course we can disagree on religious beliefs that doesn't make us enemies nah we are still neighbors o.
So when people think they are trolling or ridiculing other people's faith it means nothing to me after all you have yours and it will definitely sound absurd to someone else so if mine sounds the same way to you it's no big deal nah!🤔