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Kushites:
What has the book achieved?
Please tell us!

The invisible Author promised to use His book unite people of all nations as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is what no form of religion can do no matter how hard those practicing the religion try.

Being a racist doesn't help anyone those that brought weapons along with Bibles aren't believers but impostors.

So true Christians are sent to unite people of all the nations making them peace lovers throughout the world!

honesttalk21:
That standard is flawed. Jesus clearly stated that his message would lead to division in Matthew 10:34; do you exclude this from the gospel? If disagreements among followers discredit a teacher, then by his own statements, Jesus would discredit himself. The goal is peace, but it doesn't always result automatically. Human shortcomings challenge individuals, not the truth itself.

Read Matthew 10:34 again and meditate Jesus is talking about division among Jews due to his teachings so if you are a Jew and you accepted Jesus' teachings your own family will turn against you due to the new found faith but among his disciples there must be peace!🙂

Read John 9:22
Because of faith in Jesus the Jews were divided and they decided to expel those declaring Jesus as Christ from their synagogues. So if a member or two in the family acknowledge Jesus as Christ other members of that Jewish family will castigate him or her.

But among Jesus' disciples there must be love, joy and peace because God's holy spirit will permeates their gathering! Galatians 5:22🙂

annyplenty:
But you boldly said I should check any version like you had done your due diligence.

The point is earrings or nose rings require piercing which you are saying it's unscriptural yet there is no verse in the Bible to back it up!😟

honesttalk21:
Wars among Christians do not invalidate the Gospel.

Of course it does, if there arises any war among the disciples of Christ it invalidates Jesus' teachings because that is what the teachings supposed to achieve: So if peace can't reign in the gathering of the Prince Of Peace there is nothing to talk about again!

immanuelmanny:
Except at the end of the bible, we see Israel restored and being the only ones in the kingdom of heaven, just like every prophet in the bible including Paul said it'll happen. Romans 9:3-19, Romans 11:1-2, Romans 11:26-27, Revelations 21:12

The Israelites in ancient times was God's example for mankind but after Jesus the real Israelites are believers in Christ not just Israelites by birth! Romans 2:28-29

annyplenty:
You inherently made an error by referring to Rebekah wearing nose ring and you boldly asked me to go and check it out in any version but the first version I checked says earrings instead.

But be that as it may, let me inform you that Rebekah was among the idolatrous extended families of Abraham that God called Abraham out of so that He can raise a holy nation through which Jesus can come from.

So that Rebekah wore earrings was never an approval by God. She never knew God. Her wearing earrings was an act of the idolatrous families they came from.

I will talk about the scripture you quoted above, later when I have chance

My own version said Rebecca was given a nose ring!

honesttalk21:
The differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims primarily revolve around political succession.

So if Muslims are fighting and killing their fellow Muslims over politics then what is the essence of your Quran?🙂

Read those verses again and meditate!

If it'll happen when there is no confusion on planet earth regarding faith then how will it be a significant event?

Moreover Jesus said LOVE will serve as evidence of true worshipers as they are united in faith globally. John 13:34-35

So are you saying all what your religion is capable of doing is just to argue with no proof of effectiveness regarding what is written in your book?🙂

honesttalk21:
Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 foresee a time of universal peace established by divine intervention, where warfare among all nations comes to an end. This vision is not about a peaceful group existing within a violent world. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not bring an end to wars around the globe, nor do they proclaim God's law from Zion to all nations, which means they do not meet the full extent or ultimate purpose of these prophecies. Achieving selective peace within their community does not equate to fulfilling the prophecy.

@ honesttalk21

Below is two Islamic religions claiming they are worshiping the same God yet even you can't say this is the group practicing Islam between this two rival groups all you can say is there are denominations in Christendom Churches.

Which means it's only when you want to side Islam that you start talking against churches of Christendom but when you have nothing else to say regarding the confusion in your religion you turn back to Christendom Churches.

I was born in Islam and i can tell you today that i have found the only true religion!

honesttalk21:
No faith could withstand scrutiny, including your own.

Going by what is recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

It's evident that the true God is the one doing what you are seeing among Jehovah's Witnesses today unless you are trying to be dishonest.

These people came from different races throughout the world {Isaiah 2:2} they have agreed to use the Bible as standard among themselves {Isaiah 2:3} the result, they resolved their disparities peacefully among themselves using what is found in the Bible, they diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, they have stopped producing buying selling or usage of weapons and all members have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4

Who else do you think is making this happen among people from different nations including racist nations like Israel and Arabian countries if not God who promised to fulfill these things?🙂

honesttalk21:
Parent sets rules without being held responsible for their adult children's choices, human shortcomings highlight our weaknesses rather than disprove the divine.

Parents set rules to keep the home safe, if there will be adversities against those rules such should be expected from outsiders not the children. So if there arises any controversy all what the children need is to use the rules set by their parents to resolve such issues and anyone who is not satisfied with the outcome should be taken as not a real child of that family.
But the reverse is the case in your Islam as all of you go for weapons against the supposed adherents of your Quran!😟

Take for instance what Jesus taught his disciples.

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:15-17

This means when anyone who calls himself a brother (Christian) does what is wrong against another Christian the offended should speak to him one on one if that doesn't settle the matter then the offended will take two Christians to speak with the offender if that still does not settle the matter then the whole church (congregation) should come together (using what Jesus taught them) to resolve the matter but if after the whole congregation have decided using Jesus' words whoever doesn't agree will be excommunicated by all Christians globally.

This means the one who refused to agree with what all members of the Christian fold concluded is no longer a member of the faith. Jesus continue and said whatever the congregation bind on planet earth has been bound in heaven! Matthew 16:19

That is what true Christians were using to separate evildoers in the first century until Satan killed all the Apostles then the AntiChrist religion took over but it has been said that a time will come when true Christianity will be released to start all over again. This is the time.

If not for the AntiChrist religion that you are talking about can you pick anything wrong with Jehovah's Witnesses activities?

Perhaps you must choose the AntiChrist religion claiming Christians over the true Christians since that gives you chances to make unnecessary arguments!🙂

honesttalk21:
Neither the Bible nor the Qur'an states that their purpose is to take away human free will or enforce peace. Both texts acknowledge that people will disobey, engage in conflict, and misinterpret teachings.

When citizens trust their government it's not taking away their freewill rather it's called understanding. If you people can't trust the words of your God regarding the future judgement Allah promised do you think it makes sense convincing others about such a God?
Come on my guy, Both the Bible and the Quran clearly stated that there is a God who will rightly judge evildoers and that will happen in the end when this God repay the righteous {Psalms 37:7-11, 29 compare to Quran 21:105} if adherents of that book failed to have complete trust in what is written but picking up weapons to fight for rights even among yourselves that means you people don't see any Allah coming in the future o. 😟

honesttalk21:
By that logic, Christianity could also be seen as failing, given its history of violence among its own followers.

Here is your dishonesty again!
I showed you what Jesus said about the agents of Satan mixing up with his real disciples after the death of his Apostles {Matthew 13:25} and the last Apostle John talked about AntiChrist taking over right from the first century few days to his own death {1John 2:18} so why are you still calling Satan's agents Christians? God promised to separate Satan's agents for destruction in the endtime and before destroying them He said He will give His true worshipers another group name {Isaiah 65:15 compare to Matthew 13:30} so stop the dishonesty and face reality if truly there still remains any love for God in you!

honesttalk21:
The aim of revelation is to establish truth, justice, and accountability, not to magically resolve all human conflict. Just as a parent sets rules without being held responsible for their adult children's choices, human shortcomings highlight our weaknesses rather than disprove the divine.

Before God set standard for humans He allowed them live for over a thousand years so there will be clear evidence that humans can't rule themselves successfully. So if God now gives us laws and such laws still failed to make peace reign among adherents not even objectors o but those carrying the books up and down themselves then it means such a God has failed.
That's why the true God promised to use His active force (holy spirit) resolve all the disparities among His own worshipers peacefully {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and there will be perfect understanding among them as if they are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

That is what Satan is trying to portray in Islam but since it's not from God peace can't be achieved even though Arabs compelled worshipers to speak their language during the worship of their Allah!🙂

Sometimes you people just want to talk and it flows as if everyone must accept whatever you are saying.

Well that book has achieved the greatest thing humans can think of that's the reason why honest hearted people keep reading and studying it.

Kushites:
''Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John'' are FAKE NAMES. And the Church in Rome does NOT dispute that.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT??

And i thought you claim been honest o!🙂

honesttalk21:
The exclusivist claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses only demonstrate their existence, not that they uniquely represent God, Christianity, or biblical prophecy.

Do you now see how dishonest you are?

Muslims are ready to argue from today till tomorrow because of the book Arabs forced on their ancestors yet the so called holy book failed to achieve peace among it's adherents.

What is the purpose of that book and its content if not to help worshipers cohabit peacefully using the words of their God?

Even among humans the purpose of a family head is to quench any trouble in the family not to talk of a God whose words are written and read by you people!🙂

Are you deciding for God or you want to quote where the highlighted is written in God's word?

Well i've quoted scripture for you that it is not a sin when female worshipers of God puts on jewelries!

Here is God talking to His worshipers:

I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put BRACELET upon thy hands, and a CHAIN on thy neck. And I put a JEWEL on thy forehead, and EARRINGS in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Ezekiel 16:11-12

So God declared saying these things are not evil because He Himself adorned His female worshipers with these things!🙂

annyplenty:
Rebekah never knew God when she wore earrings and even if some wore, that was never the will of God for mankind.

Christianity has achieved it but you don't know that there is only one organization of true Christians the rest are false religions under false prophets claiming they are Christians. Matthew 24:11
So the only true Christian group achieved it among themselves globally just as Isaiah and Micah prophesied but Jesus foretold that Satan will mix his own agents with Jesus' followers after the death of the Apostles {Matthew 13:25} that is why you think different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all Christians!
True Christians will have the same belief globally {John 17:22} they will not contradict themselves in teachings {1Corinthans 1:10} Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his true disciples will become witnesses {Act 1:8} of the fact that the Prince of Peace has destroyed the works of the devil and those adhering to his teachings will successfully fulfill that prophecy among themselves because the LOVE of God will bind them together! John 13:34-35

So instead of looking at different religions claiming Christians think about the one organization that is achieving what the true God promised: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your expectations are excessive and ultimately fall short. Throughout history, no multinational group whether Christian, Muslim, atheist, or otherwise has managed to establish lasting global peace. If that is the standard for identifying the true God, then every religion, including Christianity, falls short.

What message are you trying to pass with this thread?
The Bible revealed that faithful women of ancient times do use jewelries.

annyplenty:
Genesis 24:30 KJV
And it came to pass, when he saw the earring and bracelets upon his sister's hands, and when he heard the words of Rebekah his sister, saying, Thus spake the man unto me; that he came unto the man; and, behold, he stood by the camels at the well.

Even then, what message were you trying to pass?

Please mention one multinational group of people who has made peace possible among them.

Perhaps you don't know how important this thing is to the human race.

For your information all sport, music, beauty and other organizations formed by humans was targeted at achieving global peace but the Bible God promised that it could only be achieved by those studying his words and acting on what they got! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Ọmọ it's not possible without God!🙂

honesttalk21:
I understand your point, but this standard doesn't apply in reality. While peace among people is important, it doesn't serve as evidence of God's existence. Humans can foster peace through various means such as culture, discipline, shared interests, fear, or laws. We've witnessed peace in atheist groups, Buddhist monasteries, and even temporary peace in criminal organizations. If peace alone is used to validate the existence of the true God,then all conflicting beliefs would simultaneously be true, which undermines the concept of truth. Furthermore, no prophet has claimed, Evaluate God based on the behavior of my followers. That would imply that God is subject to human flaws. Even Jesus acknowledged that his teachings would lead to division rather than universal harmony. Therefore, by your own criteria, Christianity would not meet its own standard. Peace is a result of people adhering to truth, not the evidence that establishes truth. If peace is taken as proof, it leads to sociology rather than a true understanding of God.

annyplenty:
Quote the scripture

As soon as he had seen the nose ring, and the bracelets on his sister’s arms, and had heard Rebekah tell what the man said to her, he went out to the man and found him standing by the camels near the spring. ‭Genesis 24:30 NIV‬

You can check it in any Bible version of your choice!

AntiChristian:
Allah complained to you?

Chai!
Walahi talahi some people lack IQ o!😟

So you don't know that the Quran is the complaints of your Allah to plead with humans to consider him shey?

Ọmọ anybody that writes books to tell people about what he is doing, what he has done in the past and what he will do in the future is already laying his or her complaints otherwise he shouldn't have written any book or send anyone to anybody!😃

AntiChristian:
Allah complained to you?

Allah forgives whoever He wills and Punishes whoever He wills. I think your Jehovah too created Good and bad times! I wonder what the bad time is for?
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, Jehovah, am the one who does these things. Isaiah 45:5![/quote]Jehovah assures anyone that believes in Jesus that salvation is SURE unlike your Allah that's not certain of anything.

I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. I will strengthen you, although you did not know me.

Please don't lie nah, the above is Isaiah 45:5🙂

AntiChristian:
The "world" of Jesus is still Israel!
That's why you have the God of Israel!
ONLY to the lost sheep of the world of Israel!

So the world of Muhammad reached here shey?🙂

AntiChristian:
Una plenty na!

Of course we are plenty that's what God's only begotten Son said about true worshipers of God in the end time.

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth" Act 1:8

So true worshipers of God will gather themselves from all the races and God's word will unite them so that they will not be divided by anything because it's God's word that made them One! John 17:22 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

honesttalk21:
That standard is flawed right from the start because no scripture is evaluated as true or false based on the moral behavior of its followers.

Hmmmmm my guy nobody has seen God before so any argument based on books written by humans like you and i is not enough as proof of God's existence rather it's the PEACE found in the gathering of imperfect humans that could serve as evidence of the presence of the invisible true God.
Read books from today till tomorrow and continue arguing on what is written in such books to any right thinking person all theists (as atheists do call those claiming they believe in God) are deluded.
So the only evidence worshipers of the true God can present is peace among them which atheists will find really hard to count as coincidental because that is never ever going to work among humans of different races!🙂

AntiChristian:
You are the only Christian on earth!
Your own Jesus came again in 1914!

Below is the post you quoted:

MaxInDHouse:
The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

Do you think only Max from Nigeria makes up a global organization of JWs shey?🙂

Guy all these are theories found in those books what matters is the result among adherents of each book.

If your Quran failed to make peace reign among its adherents it simply means it's not from the true God

honesttalk21:
The three statements you variously provided cannot all be true simultaneously. Interpreting John 5:19 as indicating that God's wisdom, which demons cannot replicate, introduces a power dynamic that the verse does not imply. Claiming that Jesus is the exact prototype of God suggests a shared essence, which conflicts with the verse's assertion that the Son can do nothing independently. Additionally, stating that Jesus is God's Son due to perfect imitation reduces the concept of sonship to mere moral similarity rather than a deeper ontological relationship. John 5:19 clarifies this issue. The term whatever refers to the actions that the Father reveals and permits, indicating a dependent relationship rather than equal power or shared essence, and it does not imply a contrast with demons. The text emphasizes agency and obedience rather than inherent divinity.

Furthermore in John 5:19, whatever signifies what the Father wills and does, rather than encompassing all possible actions. The opening line, the Son can do nothing by himself, establishes this dependence rather than equality. Therefore, whatever pertains to actions that are authorized and observed, meaning the Son acts only in response to the Father. This aligns with the concepts of imitation and agency rather than ontological equality. Referring to Jesus as the Son of God in this context highlights perfect obedience and representation, rather than shared essence or divinity.

In summary, whatever signifies what God allows and shows him to do, which does not serve as evidence of divinity or contrast with demons, but rather underscores complete dependence and faithful imitation.

AntiChristian:
Who is the African Prophet?
Abraham was from Iraq!
Ishmael is the Ancestor of the Prophet!
We are all from the family of Noah at least!
The question is "was Jesus sent to Nigeria or ONLY the lost sheep of Israel"?

Read John 3:16 the answer you seek is written there!🙂

AntiChristian:
What crime?
Everything that happened was how Allah wants it to happen!

So why is your Allah complaining now if everything that happened is how he wants it?
Perhaps you need to read that book you called Quran again and think of what the people your Allah DESTINED to go into hell did because you may also be among those your Allah will cast into hell after all there is no reason whatsoever behind your Allah's deeds!🙂

annyplenty:
I don't know

Well she used nose rings in her time and she is the wife of Isaac one among the Patriarchs of faith!

honesttalk21:
Islam promotes peaceful coexistence, emphasizing reconciliation, arbitration, and justice as highlighted in the Qur’an (49:9–10). It does not advocate for aggression; rather, it states, Fight in the way of God those who fight you, but do not transgress (Qur’an 2:190). Force is only permitted in cases of oppression, as noted in Qur’an 22:39.

Is your Allah able to figure out who are wrongdoers even though such ones are claiming to worship him?
If so then why must his worshipers fight among themselves despite having the words of your God and TRUSTING in his judgement?
Ọmọ the truth is there is no Allah it's just another form of deceit. If truly Allah exists and all what Muhammad claimed your Allah said in that book is true there is no reason to fight oppressors among you instead all you need to do is read the words of your Allah to remind them if they truly believe in your Allah nobody will compel them to repent and ask for forgiveness. But it's obvious there is no Allah that's why you guys have to depend on what you trust weapons!😟

honesttalk21:
Discussions regarding interpretation and misunderstanding of John 5:19 are now exhausted!

You just needed to be drawn out of that shell in order to know that you're not truly honest hearted as you called yourself.
Jesus is simply a messenger of our God not God that is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach whoever wants to learn from us!🙂

honesttalk21:
Islam prohibits ggression, allows the use of force only to prevent oppression.

This is exactly what all humans believe that is why it's called human wisdom so has it led to peaceful coexistence in your religion?
Do Muslims agree to use the words of your Allah to settle disparities peacefully among themselves or they turn to force and weapons yet claiming believers in the same God?🙂

honesttalk21:
2. Global unity in love - The history of Christianity contradicts this notion as a measure of truth; the crusades, inquisitions, inter-denominational wars, and colonial violence were all actions taken by Christians referencing scripture.

Now use your own brain to answer the question not what they claim:

Are people using weapons to settle issues real followers of the man who said his disciples must never raise weapons against anyone? Matthew 26:52

Ọmọ it's Satan's deceit!

All of you are worshiping the same God of deceit that's why you people are fighting and killing one another yet thinking you doing so for justice when you have books telling you what God will do to liars in the last day.
So if your God promised to judge matters and you believe in your God then why taking laws into your hands?
Why not wait patiently onto your God if truly you believe he exists?🙂

honesttalk21:
John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

The PEACE God's Son taught us requires no use of weapons or force {Matthew 5:43-48} that peace doesn't come by the deceitful teachings from demons because it involves being strict with what is written in God's word which will surely cause division among faithless people! Matthew 10:34-39
So does your religion meet up with this criteria?🙂

honesttalk21:
John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

In the world of faithless people servants of the true God will surely have tribulations because we are not carried away with sentiment, tribalism, racism or politics but among us we are globally united in LOVE! John 13:34-35
Has your religion achieved this?🙂

honesttalk21:
Continue trying to decorate what you say. Look like isn't original

If you think it's by arguing based on what is written in some random books that we can prove the presence or work of the true God in the midst of people then you are not really honest with yourself because books be it Bible or Quran or Veda was written by people we don't know but if the message is really from the true God then it must achieve PEACE among adherents of such book.

So call it whatever name they gave you, lay whatever claim they made about the book as long as it falls to make peace reign among people of all the nations adhering to it know today that it's a lie and all it's stories are false theories from Satan!🙂