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immanuelmanny:
which is?

TRUTH about how we got here, why we are here, what caused division among humans and how we can become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally whether you are white yellow or black skinned.
So the issue of Africa Asia or Europe being Israelites is of no use now after all there is no peace among people of any race politics keeps on causing division among people it's only worshipers of the true God that are making peace reign among them today no matter where they come from LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL reign among them {Galatians 5:22-23} so that they neither need weapon nor force to live as brothers all they need is the Bible God's word! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

John 5:19 simply connotes God's wisdom to do things that demons can never ever achieve no matter how hard they try.

There has never been a time when two opposing sides are loyally worshiping the true God yet fighting and killing one another because that is what God's word supposed to help them settle amicably among themselves. Your Allah can never ever achieve that other than demanding worship from you people. Luke 4:7

The secret of peace among worshipers is only achievable through the teachings of Christ Jesus who imitated God as His only begotten Son. John 3:16

So if your religion fail to teach you why Jesus differ from all the other servants of God that Bible verse is the secret.

Your Allah may pick one aspect of God's word in the Bible and continue deceiving you with it claiming he is the true God but his inability to make his worshipers cohabit peacefully among themselves is a sign that he is not the true God who called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Farewell!🙂

honesttalk21:
Farthest off the primary discussion but I will not follow you down this hole hiding your misunderstanding of the meaning of whatever in John 5:19

honesttalk21:
Your argument suggests that global peace and complete unity must already exist to validate the existence of the true God. However, the Bible itself acknowledges that this promise is eschatological and not yet fully realized, as seen in Isaiah 11:6–9. According to your own criteria, Christendom is also marked by division, violence, and conflict, indicating that the evidence you seek is lacking among Christians as well.

The two highlighted is your problem!

If you think different religions contradicting one another and being carried away with politics and racism to the point of hating, fighting and killing themselves are disciples of Jesus who said LOVE will be the strong bond of union among his disciples {John 13:34-35} then you need to be more intelligent than you are right now because Satan's worshipers will not know they are worshiping Satan {Matthew 7:21-23} rather they will be claiming they are worshiping the one and only true God despite the fact that they won't meet up with the criteria God gave.

For your information there is only one religion that has achieved success with God's promise regarding love joy and peace among worshipers globally God began calling them by another group name {Isaiah 65:15} after Satan's agents defamed the name inhabitants of Antioch gave our first century brothers. Act 11:26

That group name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Now you can go back to check if there is anything God promised that's not being fulfilled by this group!🙂

This is not the proof God promised His worshipers in our time!

Worshipers of the same demon will also claim monotheism, they will remain consistent in their argument and when it comes to prophecy demons are also capable of foretelling events while they manipulate things to fit in to what they said.

There is a promise the one and only true God made to faithful people globally.

According to the Bible humans globally were speaking just one language after the death of Noah so they decided to stay in one location {Genesis 11:1-4} as against spreading to all the parts of the planet which God intended for humans in the beginning. Genesis 1:28

So God called His loyal angels and they made humans to start hearing different tongues instead of the same language they were use to. Genesis 11:7-5

Of course this will surely lead to confusion and since Satan's intentions is to make humans kill one another he will use that to a greater advantage turning people against themselves. So later those who have signed pact with Satan became human kings in different places and they began using their subjects to fight for more territories therefore people started killing people due to the difference in languages as one agent of Satan will speak the language his own subjects understands to instigate them against another race.

The true God later called Abraham while he is also worshiping the demons with his ancestors and God introduced Himself to Abraham promising the man that He will do great things for him in the future. Genesis 12:1-3

All these promises God made to Abraham and to Isaac and to Jacob He fulfilled according to Joshua {Joshua 23:14} but one thing remains: will God only continue to support Israelites even though faithful people arises from other nations and willing to worship the only true God?

This is why God made a promise that no other God could fulfill:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

According to this promise faithful people throughout the world will be gathered to study God's word (laws) and because it's the same Spirit that's organizing them they will use what is found in God's word to settle all their disparities among themselves peacefully, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

This is why God later promised that they will speak the same spiritual language of PEACE among themselves {Zephaniah 3:9} because He the true God is LOVE {1John 4:8} so Love will stand as the proof that they are the worshipers of the true God! John 13:34-35

So if any religion can't work this out among it's adherents it belongs to Satan the deceiver. Can you prove that this type of LOVE exists among the worshipers of your Allah?🙂

honesttalk21:
The Bible's criteria for understanding God includes:
1. Pure monotheism (Deut 6:4, Isa 45:5)
2. Consistency in God's nature (Mal 3:6)
3. Genuine prophecy and moral law.

honesttalk21:
The Hebrew prophets were firm in their belief in one God and rejected the idea of multiple deities. Allah claims to be the same God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and He does not accept any partners, sons, or shared essence just as the prophets taught. This leads to an important question, if referring to angels or rulers as gods does not make them divine in nature, why compare Jesus to these other gods by asserting that he shares the same essence as the one true God?

Divinity simply means supernaturals and angels are supernaturals. You can check the meaning of divine in any dictionary of your choice!

A lot of religions today are claiming their God is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so just because your own people choose another religious group name is not enough proof that it's the same God. Tens of thousands of religions today claims they are worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

honesttalk21:
Validity test to your Hebrew multiple Gods claim is can you show by your scripture where any of these other Gods did anything supernatural?

Gods behind the religions are rebellious angels (demons) so they have powers to do supernatural things!

The magicians of Egypt used their magic to do the same thing—so even more frogs came out onto the land in Egypt! Exodus 8:7

Demons do perform supernatural acts even here our traditional religionists do perform supernatural acts so that's not the evidence the Bible God promised His worshipers!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your argument seems to confuse the biblical understanding of false gods with the recognition of true beings that deserve worship. The Hebrew prophets were quite clear that these so-called gods have no real divine power.

What is the proof that your Allah is not a lying spirit claiming to be the one true God?
I know the Hebrew prophets worshiped the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because they knew there are many Gods that's why they worshiped only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So my question is where is the proof that your Allah is that one true God?🙂

honesttalk21:
No; Hebrew prophets did not agree that there are many gods.
They consistently taught exclusive monotheism as seen in I am YHWH, and there is no other (Isaiah 45:5) as well as
YHWH is God in heaven above and on the earth below there is none else (Deut 4:39)

The Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods they taught that only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one true God.
So if your Allah now claims to be that one true God where is the proof?

Remember that Abraham's ancestors were worshiping other Gods before the true God called Abraham out from that place {Joshua 24:2} and a king deceived Israelites and claimed that his two golden calves is the God of Moses {1King 12:28} that's my point.

Please where is the evidence that your Allah who orchestrated that your Quran is the one true God?🙂

In a nutshell do Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods?

The idea that a god claimed to be the one Abraham worshiped is not enough evidence that it's that same God because there are many spirits claiming the one and only true God!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your argument is flawed because it mixes up roles with nature and poetry with ontology. The pre-exilic prophets (before the exile) clearly advocated for the exclusive worship of YHWH, and this was preserved by post-Babylonian Judaism rather than being a new invention. This is a matter of historical fact, not theology. In Psalm 82, the term elohim is used functionally, not in terms of essence. The passage also states that these gods die, which indicates they are not divine by nature. Just because they share a title does not mean they share God's essence. Being a spirit does not equate to divine essence. Angels are created spirits, while God is uncreated, eternal, and self-existent. If we equate spirit with the same essence, it would imply that Satan shares God's nature, which Scripture refutes. Therefore, in John 5:19, Jesus' statements indicate dependence and agency rather than a shared divinity. Imitation clarifies the text, while the idea of shared essence contradicts it.

Then the 'ungodly clergy' by your analogy also have supernatural powers likened to God to so mislead their following? Please!

annyplenty:
Not only Women but are also piercing noses, and wearing nose rings, now.
They want to wear nose rings to churches but don't want pastor to rebuke them. Repent

Is Rebecca a human of faith?

AntiChristian:
Allah's purpose was to create humans on earth Al-Baqarah 2:30.

So what is their crime that led to all these problems?
Or your Allah just want people to suffer?🙂

AntiChristian:
Individual misinterpretation vs organisational misinterpretation!

The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

AntiChristian:
He wasn't talking to you from Nigeria nor Africa!

Why aren't you following an African prophet?😃

So you can relate well with people who are not ORGANIZED in their beliefs just as you Muslims are not also organized in your beliefs shey?😟

AntiChristian:
JW own is organisational misinterpretation!

Forget about what Paul said and use your Quran to answer the question after all you people claim your Quran is God's word.
What brought you to this sinful world if Allah created the first human couple in Paradise?

AntiChristian:
Na wetin Paul talk be that: Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. Romans 5:12

The truth is there is no reason to worry over the skin color of Israelites because the Bible has given us all that we need to relate with the true God!

buttlover:
your own don finish if you believe in spirit of joblessness. The country is only dealing with you. It's time to think entrepreneur with the little you have. Everyone won't be employed, unless you are looking for teaching jobs with biscuits peanut salary.

Please don't discourage people from the jobs otherwise there won't be teachers to teach your children and you will have to pay fortune in order to get someone to teach your children in school already they are quiting the job putting school owners in trouble.😟

Most people only follow pastors opinion on what the Bible teaches they are truly uninformed and misinformed.
According to God's word the more we are getting closer to the end of this system of things hardship will intensify and it doesn't leave faithful people out of it.
This is what Apostle Paul a first century believer in Christ another brother about hardship:

You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure HARDSHIP, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry. 2Timothy 4:5

Apostle Peter also said:

For it is agreeable when someone endures hardship and suffers unjustly because of conscience toward God. 1Peter 2:19

But why aren't they praying AGAINST the spirit of HARDSHIP?

Christ our Lord said:

"I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have TRIBULATION, but take courage! I have conquered the world.” John 16:33

Jesus himself had nothing {Luke 9:58} neither his first century disciples so whatever a Christian is able to get it's to be managed {1Timothy 6:8} until this system of things expires. God's Kingdom is our sure hope! Matthew 6:10

Who are those OBEDIENT to God in our time?

AntiChristian:
So how can a human die for the sins of several billions?

How can Adam infect billions with the sin he committed alone?
Àbí you were there when Adam sinned so that you are driven out of paradise now struggling to go back there?🙂

AntiChristian:
That's why JW do misinterprete Bible verse out of context!

And you are relating well with those who are not JWs because they are interpreting Bible rightly!🙂

immaculatesense:
Is he not your brother?

I asked you first after all you claim all professed Christians are your brothers so i'm asking you now.
Why do you deny him if all professed Christians are your brothers as you claim!🙂

When Kumuyi's wife was dying in hospital the man was busy playing Mr miracle with gullible Nigerians.
Why can't he carry his wife to the miracle crusade instead of hospital?😃

OLAADEGBU:
I’m not surprised to see you here playing the devil’s advocate. Birds of a feather.

Please can you expatiate on this?😟

Sunnyshinylight:
“The body without the spirit is dead.”
— James 2:26

Is Adam alive somewhere now or he no longer exist at all?🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
Yes—according to Scripture, Adam really did die, but the Bible shows this in two connected ways: spiritual death immediately, and physical death later.

Adam died spiritually the day he sinned
God warned Adam:


“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
— Genesis 2:17


Adam ate the fruit (Genesis 3:6), yet he did not drop dead physically that same day.

So what died?
Scripture shows that his relationship with God died:


Adam hid from God (Genesis 3:
He was expelled from God’s presence (Genesis 3:23–24)


The Bible later explains this kind of death:
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.”
— Ephesians 2:1


➡️ Adam became spiritually dead—separated from God—that very day, exactly as God said.


Adam died physically later
Genesis records Adam’s literal death:

“And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
— Genesis 5:5
This fulfilled God’s judgment:
“For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
— Genesis 3:19


➡️ Physical death entered humanity through Adam.


The New Testament confirms Adam truly died
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men.”
— Romans 5:12
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
— 1 Corinthians 15:22

➡️ Adam’s death was real, and it affected all humanity.


✅ Yes, Adam really died

Spiritually — immediately after sinning

Physically — centuries later

God’s word was fulfilled exactly as spoken.

honesttalk21:
In Judaism and Christianity, referring to God, angels, and Satan as spirits does not imply that they have the same nature; spirit is simply a descriptive term rather than an indication of shared identity. Angels and Satan are created beings, whereas God is uncreated, eternal, and self-sufficient. Similarly, Jesus, in his human form, is also created and does not possess God's uncreated essence. Islam takes this a step further by completely rejecting the notion of spirit in relation to Allah, asserting that Allah is not a spirit and is distinct from all of creation. Therefore, in a true monotheistic context, neither Satan, angels, nor Jesus can be equated with God.

Judaism is not the religion Moses or any of ancient Israel prophets practiced that is the religion apostate Jews started after their return from Babylon.

According to the prophets angels are Gods because they share same nature with God the only difference between the Almighty and angels is that angels could be destroyed {Psalms 82:1 & 6} but the only true God cannot be destroyed. But as regards nature they are all spirits that's why rebellious angels could deceive humans into worshiping them since they also have supernatural powers!🙂

You don't have to add salt and Maggi.

This is the meaning of the word "ESSENCE"

Inherent nature of a thing or idea.

True nature of anything, not accidental.

God is a spirit and angels are spirits too.

Satan is also one of them according to the Bible!

honesttalk21:
Your argument fails due to a misunderstanding of the concept of essence. In traditional Jewish and Christian theology, God's essence is described as uncreated, eternal, and self-existent, while angels are considered created beings. Being a spirit does not imply that angels share in God's essence; if that were the case, it would also mean that Satan shares God's essence, which is illogical.

The Scriptures clearly state that angels are created (Psalm 104:4), while God alone is uncreated (Isaiah 44:24). God asserts, I am God, and there is no other, indicating there are no other gods (Isaiah 45:5). Referring to angels or Jesus as spirit sons of God is a functional description rather than a statement about their nature. In the Bible, Son of God signifies someone who is appointed, obedient, or a representative (as seen with Israel in Exodus 4:22 and judges in Psalm 82).

Regarding John 1:1–2, the term Logos refers to God's word or reason, not to a separate divine entity. The Greek text does not include the article before theos, which indicates a description of quality rather than identity. Verse 3 clarifies that everything was created through the Logos, which means the Logos cannot be another created god.

Your viewpoint leads to polytheism, suggesting multiple gods sharing the same essence, which is rejected by the Bible, Judaism, and Islam. Jesus is not one of the gods; rather, he is God's Messiah, empowered and sent by the one Almighty God.

Did Adam REALLY died?🙂

Sunnyshinylight:
According to the Bible, Satan is the liar, not God.

God’s statement was true, but Satan’s statement was deceptive because it redefined what “death” meant and hid its full consequences.

Sunnyshinylight:
First, the text is misquoted and misapplied

The statement “you are dust, and to dust you shall return” is Genesis 3:19, not 3:15.
Genesis 3:19 — “For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

This refers explicitly to the body, not the totality of Adam’s existence.

So between Satan and God who is a liar?

God told Adam "If you eat from the forbidden fruit you (Adam) will die" Genesis 2:17

Satan told Eve "If you eat from the forbidden fruit you will not really die" Genesis 3:4🙂

So you finally admitted that you are not his brother, right?🙂

immaculatesense:
I sent it to u precisely. What are brothers for? Help your brother by sending the response to him on all the questions he has raised.

If you say he doesn't share the same essence as God then you got it wrong because all angels are spirit creatures they all share the same essence with God as spirit beings and that is what Jesus was in the beginning of creation! John 1:1-2
What you should say is that he is not the Almighty God but as for being one of the Gods (spirit sons of God in heaven) Jesus is one of them before his earthly mission!

honesttalk21:
Somewhat absolutely as his friends saw him as God's Son because he embodied and fulfilled the Father's will perfectly. This title acknowledges Jesus' special role without implying that he shares the same essence as God

You just love deceiving yourself!😃

immaculatesense:
You don't have to be lazy boy.
Go check it out. Na Assignment. Nobody go help u do am.

Sunnyshinylight:
Genesis 3:19 describes physical death, not the totality of judgment
“For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” (Genesis 3:19)
This text addresses the body, not the whole scope of divine judgment.

God spoke to Adam not his flesh saying "you (Adam) will return to dust because you (Adam) are dust and to dust you (Adam) will return" Genesis 3:15

That's why Paul could say "the wages of sin is death" not eternal torment! Romans 6:23

It's simple as ABC!🙂