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Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by mazaje(m): 7:27pm On Jul 20, 2014
BraveGuy: grin
Your argument pales, buddy!

Pick up a copy of the Bible or Google Bible online and read just the first chapter. Then come back with your questions again.
As usual. . . Make a false claim and shout victory when challenged. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 7:08pm On Jul 20, 2014
streetzdreamz: are u sure u r living? N nt just breathing in free O2,a demonstration dat God exist? Can u tell me dat tru out ur entire life,u avnt encountered a single mysterious circumstance u cudnt unravel or find ansas to?? D science y'al rush back too stil can't explain a fragment of humans existence on earth,if u av d ansas to ur own roots kindly give an explanation,a diff bullcrap aside dat evolution theory is welcomed.
So because you don't know means god?. . .I don't know how the universe came about and I am happy to state it instead of buying into clear fictions and mythologies of ancient jews, romans and greeks. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists. Come In Let's Discuss. by mazaje(m): 7:02pm On Jul 20, 2014
BraveGuy: As you are investigating some of these former atheists, which, among all the books on the beginning of the Universe or Creation invites you to test its system? The Bible is the only one that repeatedly invites you to test what it presents to you.

It is the ONLY Book in the world that effectively presents the beginning of the world with scientific, artistic, historical, geographical, geological, archeological, biological, physical, technological, astronomical, romantic, spiritual, meteorological, cultural and medical attributes.

All these and more can even be found in the first Book of the Bible, Genesis!
How were the planets from from the book of genesis?. . .What about the mountains?. . .How were they formed?. . .How were the animals formed?. . .Explain citing the necessary passages in the book of genesis?. . .How old is the earth from the book of genesis. . .Where are the scientific, historical, archeological, biological, physical, technological, astronomical, romantic, spiritual, meteorological, cultural and medical evidences that supports anything in the book of genesis. . .is it not the bible that says that the earth was created before the sun and stars?. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 6:57pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: No. I have not demonstrated that. I dont have to prove to you what you already know.

You know that God exists, that's why you spend all day, all your life and energy talking about him.

It's just the devil fooling you...thereby making you restless and hopeless.

How should I demonstrate if i wanted to?

You want a photograph?

cheesy
I know that your god is a man made idea that is why you have to be the one that spends your entire life and time telling others about it and what it wants. . .You keep bringing this fictional character you use to delude your self to any body that points out the obvious to you. . .You have not even left your fellow christians out of this your fictional devil talk. . .tell him to describe the devil and he will begin to cry. . .It is you the devil is actually fooling, go as olagdegbuu, davidylan, enigma and many of the other christians that say that your brain and eyes are blocked by the devil. . That is beside alla'h shaitan that has complitely blocked your eyes and is misleading you. I laugh in greek. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 6:51pm On Jul 20, 2014
Adyrin: You are a very very stupid illitrate!
It is your type that the Bible refers to as thou fool!
I already know you don't know your left from your right; because only a fool like you will say there is no GOD!
Ozunamor

IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 6:49pm On Jul 20, 2014
tintingz: Did Jesus himself love the Jews?
Yes. . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 6:38pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: What do you mean by shown?

You want a photograph?

smiley
You have demonstrated that your god exist how?. . .By crying here?. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 5:41pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe: No point arguing with you again nah . At least you have accepted that you are created, so u are one step close to the truth...

Next, take a deep breath, close your eyes and pray to that god who created you. She will give you an answer that she was created by my own GOD grin

Welcome to the world of THEISM!!! wink
I just did, she said she created your own God so you are lying. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m): 5:39pm On Jul 20, 2014
alexleo: ^^^^ the truth of God's word remains unchanged. No matter how you twist it nothing changes in it. It is this truth that will be used to juddge everyone of us(including you). so if you choose not to believe it or choose to twist it to suit your selfish or evil desires then you are deceiving yourself. The choice still remains yours. In one breath you quoted bible to show me how evil God is, and when I presented a clearer picture of what you quoted, in another breath you now went back to claim that the bible is man's concotion. When you thought the place you quoted satisfied your evil mindset towards God it was God who said it but when I brought up the version that destroyed your evil tendencies it became man's concoted word. Who is deceiving who?
Which version, I said you brought a version in which the translators didn't like what was written and they changed it. . .That is the truth. . .The JPS which is the most accurate hebrew bible translates it just like the king James version which i quoted, I rather accept the translation of the Jews over that of the christians that chose to change what was originally written. . .You did not present a clear picture, you only brought a version that translated what was written wrongly to satisfy their own agenda, many biblical version translate based on the agenda of their publishers. . .Its nothing new. . .I don't have any evil mindset towards any god because no god exist, i just report what is written in the bible. ..Did the translators of the JPS or the KJV have an evil agenda towards god?. . .What are you on about?. . .The truth of the koran is what will be used to judge you and you will rot in hell for eternity for not believing in allah and his last messenger Mohammed. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 5:33pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: That's the foolishness of mazaje's thinking.

"If it is described in many ways, it doesn't exist."

The irrationality of Atheism! cheesy
If it has not been shown to exist then it doesn't exist. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 5:32pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe: Funny you...atom according to Neil Bohr model is differnt from that of JJ THOMSON and Rutherford and so on. Many millions of the atomic model exists and the most appealing was chosen, so do many models of God's existence occurs and the most appealing were accepted.

The fact that atom has many different model doesn't rule out his existence. So also is GOD, your creator.
The problem here is that you are misleading people with your statements, the Bohr model is an ancient description of the atom, as knowledge is added and gained a better description is made and the old one is discarded. . .No one takes the Bohr model serious any more in the scientific world. . .Atoms have old models that were discarded and new and the standard one that is used. . .My creator is Shiva the Hindu goddess, show me that your god created me and not Shiva. . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 5:12pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe: Funny guy... MAZAJE, you are just a

Mere
Atheist
Zealously
Antagonizing
Justifiable
Evidences


The evidence that atom exists spurs up from the different incoherent ideas of the scientists about it.
The description of the atom is coherent and universal, you can not describe your god. . .You can not even show that your god is not just an idea. . .If I say that Shiva the Hindu goddess created the earth how can you show me that it is your own god version that created the earth and not Shiva. . .The only thing you can do is start quoting from books that ancient men wrote, you can not show or point to anything because you god is just the idea of ancient men and their superstitions. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 5:00pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe: I thought you said you have many different ideas of God as heard from many, including Christians, so make use of them.
Non of them is objectively verifiable, just baseless claims and counter claims. . .
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 4:59pm On Jul 20, 2014
vedaxcool: I don't hate people based on their ethnicity or religion, so I have no hate for jews. Muslims are permitted to marry jews who are termed people of the book in the qur'an, so yes. And my prayer is Allah guide them to Islam, and despite this your alleged muslim hate for the jews, jews are copnverting to Islam. And to show even the jews u are making noise over don't buy your crap, do u know jews in Israel are protesting against the action of their govt. In gaza? Have u heard of levi, a jew who documents the actions of the Israeli govt against the Palestines? Most muslims are against the on-going massacre of Palestines in gaza which apparently hardly bothers you! Opening a thread based on your one person observation is hardly an objective thing to do.
Do you deny the fact that many muslims hate Jews and use islam as a basis for their hatred?. . .What are you on about? SO what if jews are converting to islam, muslims are also converting to other religions so what exactly is your point?. . .Why are Muslims clerics leading prayer sessions and invoking Allah to destroy the Jews?. . .Why are they using islam as a basis for their hate?. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 4:49pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe: Obama is physical so you have just succeeded describing his physical features; God is spiritual so physically oriented person like you can not get his description, just like an illiterate cannot describe the Rutherford model of the ATOMIC STRUCTURE.

Therefore be spiritual, and after then we can talk wink
What is spiritual?. . .Use your spiritual sense to give an objective description of your god that is verifiable. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 4:26pm On Jul 20, 2014
SammyHoe:
because God exists that's why there are many ideas about him. For example, Obama exists, ask 1,000 people to describe him, they would give you different version of him: he is good, he is bad, he is in illuminatti, he is not in illuminatti, he is the Antichrist, he is not the Antichrist, he is wise, he is foolish... But one general fact remains: he is the CURRENT PRESIDENT OF AMERICA just as God is forever the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE NO MATTER THE CONCEPT YOU HAVE CONCERNING HIM.

THERE IS GOD OOOO!!!!
Obama exist and has definite features. . .example he is a mixed raced man that is tall, he has big ears and speaks very good english. . .Your god has no definite attributes beside what ever attribute you chose to assign unto him. .Describe your god's definitive attributes to me that are objectively verifiable. . .
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 4:00pm On Jul 20, 2014
This one is teaching every body using the life of the prophet as an example to hate Jews. . .My question still remains, why do muslims today have virulent hatred for the Jews?. . .What have the Jews done to them?. . .If you go to some mosques in northern Nigeria and hear the way clerics are cursing and praying to Allah to destroy all the Jews you will be amazed, why is that so?. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VFqsSiZwG0
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 3:56pm On Jul 20, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlzDXWWRdM


Most Muslims today view the Jews with the same sentiment the cleric in this video, why is that so?. . .

Following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Yaqub, which aired on Al-Rahma TV on January 17, 2009, and translated by MEMRI-TV
1001Phoenix kindly added the references to Islamic scriptures.
The comments in the video are mine.

Muhammad Hussein Yaqoub: If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are. It is Allah who said that they are infidels.

[Qur'an 9:30.]

Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.

[Qur'an 5:82.]

Third, you must believe that the Jews will never stop fighting and killing us. They [fight] not for the sake of land and security, as they claim, but for the sake of their religion: And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back youre your religion, if they can.

[Qur'an 2:217.]

This is it. We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle and this is the fourth point. You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth.

It is not me who says so. The Prophet said: Judgment Day will not come until you fight the Jews and kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees, and the stones and tree will call: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews. I have heard that they are planting many of these trees now. [...]

[That Hadith can be found at Sahih Muslim 6985.]

As for you Jews the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs.

[Qur'an 2:62-65; 5:59-60; and 7:166.]

You Jews have sown hatred in our hearts, and we have bequeathed it to our children and grandchildren. You will not survive as long as a single one of us remains.

[...]

Oh Jews, may the curse of Allah be upon you. Oh Jews... Oh Allah, bring Your wrath, punishment, and torment down upon them. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth! You kill the Muslims with that cold pig [blood] of yours.
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 3:50pm On Jul 20, 2014
vedaxcool: ^
Nice response, though I find baffling u were able to make sense of largely incomplete sentences. cheesy
Do you like the Jews? Will you like to have anything to do with them? Can you marry one or let your son marry one?. . .Tell me haven't you prayed to allah to destroy the Jews this ramadan?. . . .
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 3:49pm On Jul 20, 2014
tbaba1234: Over centuries, the jews lived in more freedom and prosperity in muslim lands than in any other part of the world.

Your statement is logically and historically false.
Why does EVERYTHING about Islam have to do with the past?. . .Why do Muslims always point to the past and never to the present or the future?. . .True muslims only lived in the past, the Islamic golden age is the only example of Islam, there is no true islamic nation today only in the past, muslims and Jews used to live together in harmony in the past. everything you guys refer to the past. .My question still stands, why do present day Muslims hate Jews?. . .Why?. . .read their comments, watch their preaching. . .They use Islam as the basis and justification of their virulent hate, why is that so?. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m): 2:37pm On Jul 20, 2014
alexleo: My friend, below is another version of the place you quoted. The original text of the bible wasnt english thats why when we read we check other versions in order to have a better understanding of it.

Jeremaiah 42;9,10
9 and said to them, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, to whom you sent me to present your petition before Him: 10 ‘If you will still remain in this land, then I will build you and not pull you down, and I will plant you and not pluck you up. For I relent concerning the disaster that I have brought upon you.


Anybody can choose not to serve the God of the bible but it doesn't change anything. We don't follow God based on what people think about him. it is based on what is in the scriptures. The choice still remains yours. Everything boils down to choice.
That is the problem, the bible is man's word so man is the one that translates it to be in sync with his beliefs. . .Its a fact that many modern english translation of the bible have changed and watered down the meaning of so many things to sound appealing to the modern reader. . .The original hebrew reads just as it was translated by the KJV. . .get a copy of the JPS(The Hebrew bible translated in english) it reads the same. . . The scriptures is just a concoction of many different things , any body can chose which ever god idea he/she wants using the scripture. . .If you believe in tithe you can use the scripture to justify it, if you don't believe in tithe, you can also use the scripture to justify it. . .Nothing has universal meaning and acceptance in christianity, people just keep making things up as they go. . .No universal christian doctrine anywhere, just people picking and choosing and making things up ans they see fit. . .
IslamWhy Do Muslims Hate Jews? by mazaje(op): 2:31pm On Jul 20, 2014
Its a fact that Muslims hate Jews, I want to know why that is so?. . .Reading through comments on Facebook and other sources on the internet, you will notice that the hate the Muslims have for Jews is almost like a religious duty. . .Muslims keep calling on Allah to destroy the evil and unbelieving Jews and other kafirs. . .Why do muslims hate Jews?. . .what have Jews done to Muslims to deserves such virulent hate?. . .If Allah hates the Jews why doesn't he destroy them?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Created The Other Eight Planets? by mazaje(m): 2:20pm On Jul 20, 2014
Tallesty1: Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heaven's' and the earth. By heavens it means everything in the solar system and beyond that is not of the earth.
This is not true, the original hebrew word for heaven means god's abode, that's heaven where god lives not the new reinvention modern day christian scholars are trying to say. . .The real translation is supposed to be in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth as rightly put by some biblical translation . .Heavn it is not "heavens". . Even the Jews that invented the story take it to be as an allegory not literal. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 2:10pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: Scatter-brained.

First, you said God doesn't exist because different people describe him differently.

I have shown you the foolishness of your thinking. That's how foolish one must be to be an atheist.

Let me show you again how foolish your thinking is:

Can an all-powerful being not make his creature speak for him?

The foolishness of Atheism!

grin
You have not shown the foolishness of my thinking , you have only shown your own delusions. . .If your god exist then people should be able to have a specific description of it. . . You can NOT even describe your god to me yet you are busy talking about how people describe it differently, pls describe your god to me. . .An all powerful god makes his crations speak to him how? Through islam, christianity, hinduism, shinto etc?. . .All these religions and the god they talk about are man made ideas as such it must be men that will have to keep telling others about this idea that they created. . Men must promote islam because men created that culture, men must promote Catholicism because it is a man made culture, your god remains a man made idea as such only men and their writings, ideas, perception and conception can be used when talking about your god. . you can not show your god without human input because he is a human idea end of story. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m): 2:04pm On Jul 20, 2014
alexleo: You can call it anything you like we couldn't be bothered. You are not God and you are not the bible. We follow/believe the bible and not you or anybody. In Malachi 3;6 God said, i am the Lord, I change not. We believe this. He is the God of judgment and we also believe this. when he judges you and you fall on the wrong side you ll face his wrath. He talked about his wrath in several places in the bible and we also believe this. He is a loving God and we also believe this. His love comprises his mercy and compassion. He is a just God and he has made a way of escape for us. its either you embrace the salvation of God or reject it to your own peril(may God help you to stop rejecting it. Amen). He has left us with CHOICE. Whatever you choose you face. God is greater than you, He is greater than all of us and there is nothing you or anybody can do about it. He is in charge. Your belief or disbelief cannot change it.
God is an idea that is why you are here speaking on its behalf. if your god is real you will not speak on its behalf he will do it himself but because your god remains an idea you will have to keep speaking for it, same with muslims, hindus etc all humans speaking on behalf of their god ideas. .No god can speak for itself because non exist in reality only in the pages of story books written by men. . . .Your god idea can be god, but it is also evil. . from the bible. . .

Jer 42:9
And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him;
Jer 42:10If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.


Here is your god doing evil and apologizing for it. . .You keep calling it wrath when the bible has its god acknowledging his evil deeds. . .There is a lot of reason why many christians the world over do not want to associate with the god construct you have made out of the bible, it is sadistic and their own sense of morality is way ahead that of the god idea you have chosen to construct for yourself using the pages of the bible, every christian just use the pages of the bible to create a god idea that he/she wishes, that is why there is constant and endless disagreements in the christian body about even the basic nature of god and how people can achieve salvation. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 1:48pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: Yeah right!

Nigeria is an idea, it doesn't exist because different people describe it differently. So too everything in the world.

The stupidity of Atheism!

If God were an idea, you wouldn't spend all your time, energy and life talking about him.
Nigeria is a country that has people living inside of it. . .It has a direction, location land mass and people visit it. . .Describe your god to me and show how it exist on its own. . .If your god is not a man made idea you will not be spending your time, energy and life speaking for it, i thought your god exist on its own can do all things. . why then are you the one speaking for it, defending it and doing everything for it, if is is not just an idea?. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 1:28pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: Common! You talk about God in your day-to-day life. You talk about him practically everyday you live. You talk about him this because your being is in conflict with what you claim to believe...hence, you're hopelessly restless.

You think that by shouting obscenities and mocking his followers, he'll go away.

But he always is, from age to age. And this drives you crazy so you rant over and again.

All your posts are evidence.

smiley
God is an idea , a perception and a belief, that is why there are many gods and many religions, even in your religion there are many god ideas, your catholic god idea is different from the protestant god idea or the JW god idea. . .You even claim they are under some spell by this fictional idea called the devil to attack your catholic god idea. . .Until you show tht god is not an idea don't expect any body to take you seriously. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 12:58pm On Jul 20, 2014
italo: If it were "untruth," you wouldn't spend your whole time, energy and life on it.
The devil knows it's true, that's why he's desperately instigating you and your like to fight against it.
What does social responsibility mean to an Atheist?
So you innately know that there is good/evil; God/devil.
It's just the devil fooling you otherwise. smiley
You keep talking about fictitious characters, can you describe this fictitious devil?. . .You keep bandying fiction and expect people to take you seriously. . .How is you Jewish and roman folklore more true that islam?. . .We also criticize islam, is it the devil that is also pushing us?. . .The other christians that are constantly criticizing your catholic delusions are also been pushed by this your fictional devil, eh?. . .Interesting. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m): 12:51pm On Jul 20, 2014
alexleo: In the bible we saw God display his loving nature and in the same bible we saw him display wrath. It is foolishness for anyone to believe one side of him and reject the other. Bible remains our guide and not what you think. Yea you are free to discuss in a public forum but you know you are deceiving yourself with your no-God belief.
Why do you call it wrath, it is pure, evil. . .Even the bible says its god does evil. . .So why not just call it what it is. . .The god of the bible is god acknowledging his evil deeds and apologizing for it, why do you keep insisting that it is wrath?. . .Its just evil. . .The bible god is just a character that exist in the biblical stories and not in reality, that you chose to believe it is your own problem. . . Does Allah or Zeus exist outside the koran and greek mythological stories?. . .Same is what your own god idea that was invented by the ancient jews. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m): 10:13am On Jul 20, 2014
alexleo: Hey, we are discussing our God and I'm saying what He is according to the bible. I'm not begging you to believe. And those deceivers up here who are telling you that he is only a loving God have you believed them? By the way you said he does not exist yet you always intrude when we are discussing him. Doesn't that smack of foolishness on your part? Obviously you are deceiving yourself with your no-God believe.
This is a public forum and i can discuss what ever I want to discuss. . . .God has no description according to the bible. . .his description is just all over the place, people just use their own idea when formulating what god is supposed to be to them, you have no problem with believing in a loving and sadistic god at the same time, other christians do and your own conception and idea of god does not supersede theirs. . .. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Some Perplexing Questions About HELL by mazaje(m):
alexleo: All these people telling you that there is no hell fire are just deceiving you. Jesus himself spoke about hell fire in several places and he said it is an everlasting fire. In Matthew 25;46 Jesus stated it clearly that it was prepared for the devil and his angels and he went on to say that the unrighteous will be cast there. So it wasnt the devil that prepared it. All these agents of deceits here will always want to twist things because they are scared of hell fire for whatever reason.


God never said he is only a loving God. He has always made it clear that he is also a God of wrath/judgment but human being in our selfish nature will always want to view God from his loving nature only and use it to condemn the other side of him. Thats unfair.. Since God is the same yesterday, today and forever(unchangeable God) then it means that this attributes of him(love and judgment/wrath) has been part of him before creation. He never developed wrath because of man. And obviously it was because he knows the severity of his wrath that he made the redemption plan from the foundation of the world so that the freewill man he created will have an option to escape from his wrath and that is a manifestation of his love. Thats why in the new testament it was the sacrifice that was made on the cross for our redemption that God used to talk about his love. There is no where that God used hell fire/lake of fire to measure his love. It is the agents of deceit who are interpreting the scriptures with sentiments that uses God's wrath to measure his love. These two natures of God are separate and they are eternal. Its left for you to CHOOSE the one you want. The best that God can do is the escape route he has made for us. God cannot change his nature for any reason. As his omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent nature are eternal so are his love and wrath/judgment eternal. All of them are part of his nature. None will be wiped out of existence at any time.
Let it therefore be known to you that heaven is a complete manifestation of God's love(nature) while hell fire/lake of fire is a complete manifestation of his wrath(nature). And both of them are eternal as Jesus said so make your CHOICE and dont allow this deceivers to deceive you.

I will answer the rest of your question after.
Stop talking about love because your god is no love, at least he is not love the way we humans define love. . .What offence will your child commit to you that will make you burn your son/daughter for 100 years in fire?. . .You guys just use this sick idea to enslave yourselves through fear. . .Next minute you will open your mouths and say your god is merciful. . .Do you know what it means to be merciful?. . .To be merciful is to treat people better than they deserve. . .Your god can not be just and merciful at the same time, to be just means to treat people the way they deserve. . .You keep concocting words and ascribing to this fictitious god of your that keep making him impossible. .A just an merciful god is impossible. . .By the way the god is the bible has changed, a simple reading of the bible from the OT to the new shows that this god character has evolved completely. . .Saying that god does not change is your own making. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pornographic Films Shot In Catholic Church Without Permission by mazaje(m): 8:54am On Jul 20, 2014
mmsen: It is socially irresponsible to allow untruths to go unchallenged.
This one's delusions knows no bounds. . .He even accuses his other christian brothers that do not belong and share his catholic delusion that they are being driven by this fictitious devil of his. . .Delusion at its best. . .

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